section 4 of the 25th amendment has never been used a plain reading of the text coupled with the context of its ratification contemplates a very different scenario from the one we are currently in it in visions a president's disability resulting in serious illness to injury to suggest it should be used in a different context violates the very intent of the 25th amendment to be clear this resolution is a design divisive political stunt which had which would have no your it is their english this is our oath 300 g.m.t. and so hold your arm and watching live pictures from the house of representatives in washington d.c. where the vice president mike pence has ruled out invoking the 25th amendment to declare donald trump unfit to hold office now the u.s. house of representatives as you can see are discussing a resolution in the vice president to take action on holding trying accountable to last week's unprecedented assault on the capitol building and we will continue to

listen into the debate. for false accusations of inciting the type of violence they have so frequently and transparently supported in the past throughout 2020 we witnessed democrats welcome encourage and even normalize violence for them violent riots were effective in advancing their agenda. generators time has expired the gentleman from ohio reserves the jamming of maryland. and we reserve very gentle lady whom i've not had the pleasure meet yet confuses disability an incapacity franklin d. roosevelt was in a wheelchair had a disability he was one of our greatest presidents president lincoln according historian suffer from depression but he was one of our greatest presidents in capacities different in capacities demonstrated by president trumps complete total inability to conform his conduct to the rule of law in the constitution i yield one

minute to representative macbeth generated from georgia miss macbeth is recognized when better thank you mr speaker i came to congress to make sure that no parent ever experienced the pain that i have i came to congress to fight for children who have practice active shooter drills at the same time that they're simply learning how to read for families who've lost loved ones to gun violence and for communities that will never ever be the same last wednesday members of this body hid from insurrectionist behind barricades and locked doors staffers of this hallowed institution text to their loved ones there banging on the doors outside i love you and citizens of this nation watched in real time as rioters stormed the capitol through shattered windows and broken glass the result of the

president's rhetoric has left 5 americans dead our response to anyone who seeks to overthrow the will of the people must be unwavering and resolute. i didn't come to congress to do this the president's triumph actions warrant his the media remove all from office and i go back to back and i have e-mails back gentleman from maryland reserves yes gentleman from ohio young men and a half to the gentleman from texas mr fatima from texas is recognized one and a half minutes thank you mr speaker i rise today against to speak against this resolution i'm at a loss i can't believe the very 1st time that i have the honor and privilege to address this augusta chamber is to talk about removing the president of the united states because he held a permit it legal in peaceful rally it's nothing but a wasteful political grandstand let's make no mistake january 6th was

a dark day in our esteemed nation's history it was a dark and sad day on the afternoon of january 6th a mob breached our sacred capitol donald trump didn't a mob destroyed property and vandalized historic treasures around him up on these grounds but donald trump did a mob committed despicable evil acts of violence against fellow americans donald trump did in fact l a trump urged in fact and demanded peace while the senate and nothing more our colleagues on the other side of the aisle want us to unnecessarily rude the president when we're measuring the time he has left that in years months weeks or days he's got 182 hours left in office you don't achieve unity by simply saying you achieve unity through actions this resolution accomplishes not unity but rather is a waste of time and fosters further division divisiveness and i'm going to vote no on this resolution i yield back gentleman years back

a gentleman reserved gentleman from maryland i yield to represent a new goose for one minute that a man from colorado has recognized for one minute mr speaker. i had planned remarks here but. i have to respond to my colleagues his words are simply too much to bear he talks a lot about the mob and culpability who summoned the mob who encouraged the mob who incited the mob you know as well as i do that the president of i stood here 6 days ago in this exact same spot and i quoted lincoln's admonition that we shall snow be saber meanly lose the last best hope of earth in less than 10 minutes later a violent mob breached the capitol the 1st breach of this hallowed building the citadel of liberty since the war of 1812 the congress must respond our undertaking here is not about politics it is

a matter of conscience i support the distinguished gentleman from maryland's resolution i pray. the device president will honor his oath reconsider and invoke the provisions of the 25th amendment i yield back and i mean years back the gentleman reserves the gentleman from ohio 3 minutes the gentleman from florida mr gates gentleman from florida mr gates is recognized for 3 minutes thank you mr speaker all they may be calling on the vice president but based on his letter he's not answering everybody in this country knows that they wanted to impeach president trump on his 1st day in office and looks like they're going to want to impeach him on his last day too but all he did in the middle was rescue our economy rebuild our military reform the v.a. and reduce america's involvement in foreign wars now i joined the bipartisan caucus condemning the violence that we saw at our capitol but the hypocrisy is just

downright disorienting president trump called for protests that would be peaceful and patriotic he got labeled a national security threat yet the gentle lady from california can call on her supporters to get physical and in the faces of republicans and she gets the chairmanship of the financial services committee republican members of congress utilized a process contemplated in the constitution to offer an objection and we were labeled seditionists democrat members of congress raised funds for groups attacking our police burning our cities destroying our businesses a stablish ing autonomy zones and they were celebrated as justice warriors wednesday they called for unity democracy and healing now just days later seeking power and political advantage the democrats have reverted to the mean they've gone back to their natural state the party of impeachment removal and division they're about to have unified control of the government maybe they'd use this time to

preview an agenda for the american people. now the last 2 times the 25th amendment was invoked it was to facilitate a colon ah skippy now they're using it to facilitate a transition to joe biden how weird why i call it virtue signaling but there is no virtue in it this removal effort isn't for america it's for them for their ability to showcase and wield power and we see the power of cancellation in removal on full display in america today forbes magazine has called for white house officials to be shamed and unemployable a.b.c. news has called for the cleansing of the trump movement i don't know what that means but talking about cleansing our fellow human beings sure is scary big tech has driven consumers and conservatives off of monopolistic platforms and then we created our own platform parlor it was newt from the internet all together the

general 80 from new york was booted from a harvard advisory board because she took an adverse position on electors that had been taken by every single member of the congressional black caucus in 2001 cancellations for some celebrations for others for doing the exact same thing the president united states can't tweet or post on facebook but we know from project bear toss that the principal counsel for p.b.s. can call for the government to steal children from republicans and throw molotov cocktails at the white house we should allow america to heal before america is lost but that is not happening today out of course 30 more seconds. the gentleman has given 30 additional seconds the deal now is house democrats just want in on the act that's the purpose of the resolution today they want to show you that they can still tear things down i guess over the next 2 years we'll see if they're capable

of building anything or anyone up this is a deeply unpopular impeachment the public wishes we were here dealing with corona virus not the virus of trump hatred that you seem to have found no vaccine for i yield back gentlemen years back the gentleman from ohio reserves. the gentleman from maryland is not recognized by our. thank you very much mr speaker i heard one of our colleagues say it was the fault of the mob not donald trump but who summoned the mob who created the mob who sent it well you don't have to trust us if you don't like what you call democrat members. we do prefer democratic members for the new ones but. how about this listen to the chair of your own conference the chair of the republican conference liz cheney said the president united states summoned this mob assembled the mob and lit the flame of this attack

everything that followed was his doing none of this would have happened without the president so you can hate the democrat members all you want that is the chair of the republican conference mr speaker i yield one minutes visible on. york has been a lot of the chair of the government oversight committee has recognized thank you mr speaker like all of us in this chamber the vice president and the cabinet swore in their oaths of office to protect and defend the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic now they must fulfill that oath by invoking the 25th amendment donald trump's reckless actions on and leading to january 6 underscore that he is a clear and present danger to our democratic traditions he repeatedly and blatantly lied spouting baseless claims of a stolen election and fraud he called honest supporters to come to d.c. on january 6th

a day which he said i quote will be wild in quote and willfully incited an armed and deadly insurrection against another branch of our government president trump must be held accountable and we must return to the peaceful transfer of power i urge a yes vote and yield back gentlemen to years back the gentleman from maryland reserves the gentleman from ohio misspeak we would reserve the gentleman reserves gentleman from maryland you to mr cliburn for one minute the gentleman from south carolina mr claiborne the majority whip is recognized. thank you very much mr speaker you support this resolution. that means the whole robin and the debate on and invoking the 25th amendment against president continues in the house of representatives that join our cause for it mike hanna has also been monitoring events from washington d.c. we knew this was going to be a divisive debate once it started mike after the procedural scenarios how do you

assess where we're going at the moment. well what we do know is that the democrats have a majority in the house and this motion is going to be passed but what we also know is that it would appear to be an exercise in futility given the fact that vice president mike pence has already said that he will not invoke the 25th amendment he sent a letter to the speaker of the house saying that it would set a terrible precedent he also argued that it was not constitutionally viable insisting that the 4th article of the 25th amendment is in fact designed to deal with the incapacitation of presidents as happened with george bush a number of years ago when he went under anesthesia so mike pence making very clear that he's not going to invoke the 25th amendment but the debate goes on and the vote will go on and although this may appear as i said to be an exercise in futility it's also giving away a dress rehearsal for what's going to happen tomorrow when the article of

impeachment will be debated by the house and we are likely to hear many of these same arguments being repeated there and where we are likely as well to get the same result as we get tonight and that is the motion being passed given the democratic majority in the house but what's very important and many democrats view this as well is for the vote tomorrow to be more of a bipartisan nature in other words for some republicans even though they arguing against this motion to actually support the impeachment process because this would send a signal that it is not a purely partisan process that it is not as president claims a political witch hunt and it would be something to reassure his supporters that this is not an action with a political motive it is an action rising out of concern that is shared by elements from both sides of the aisle this would be a very important step for many of those who want to see this impeachment process happen and it's going to happen as i said the house speaker nancy pelosi has

already know. 9 impeachment managers will guide the impeachment process through the house over the next 24 hours and of course mike there is a suggestion that a significant number you suggested yourself of perhaps republican house members will also vote for the impeachment. i just want to get your impression of what you've heard tonight i mean yes of course you know you have the democrats and one side the republicans on the other but there are a lot of republicans that are disassociating trump's comments from the actual mob that they're in they're in agreement with the democrats that the house was attacked but they're trying to disassociate the president away from the arguments. indeed you have some republicans arguing that the c evening but it's important as well that these are 2 separate issues there are some republicans who are going to vote against the motion to tonight because they actually agree with mike pence and

see it as a constitutional precedent that is unacceptable they would argue as we heard from some of the speakers there that the 25th amendment is not an instrument of punishment as the democrats would have in this particular motion that it is in fact designed to deal with a president who falls ill or is in cap incapacitated physically so although they may be voting against this motion there are some of them not all definitely not all but there may well be some who would still support a motion of impeachment now we know some republican representatives have already made clear that they will support impeachment we know as well in the senate which is where the trial would take place after he is impeached in the house that some of the republican senators are breaking ranks and some of republican senators including the number 3 senator cheney have insisted that they will support

impeachment now about all of this and this is a very important point the last time president trump was impeached it was a complete divide it was utterly part of it in part from one republican senator who voted to impeach after the trial in the senate but now it's very different you have as i said got republican senators who may conflict on the trial and importantly you have the majority leader in the senate mitch mcconnell keeping absolutely silent on the last occasion he was drawing all the ranks of the republicans to insist that the impeachment be resisted he is absolutely silent at present you have as world the. minority leader in the house who although he says he personally will not support. that impeachment has given no guidance to the other republican members of the house last time the instruction went out you will not vote for impeachment this

time it is being said the message that is being given is vote according to your conscience this is riri very different from the last time that president trump was impeached and this is why the events of the next 24 hours are going to be very very interesting will go ahead to the majority will pass the impeachment article then the question is when does the go to the senate for trial given that the inauguration is happening on january the 20th indeed sort of a wait and see scenario for the moment to mike hanna our correspondent in washington d.c. thanks for joining you later as well mike let's join jason he's an attorney and republican strategist joins me via skype from maryville in tennessee firstly mr emmett thanks very much for your patience obviously you like myself were listening in to what's going on in the house right now to just get your opinion of this move in terms of the 25th amendment and the instruction that certainly the house would like to send to the senate and the debate around the medical issue what's your

interpretation of the 25th amendment. you know question our thanks for having me on and only 3010 climate in our country and where we can all be very moment. but my new constitution only only when i don't need the house and where i'm going to. last i think the president is going to invoke the moment worth of losses that we have that we shouldn't know that we can go. after now. or we will bite our who are most without a new one or over a 1000000 people so if that does that scenario does move and we expect it to move slightly when the house votes later in the day let's take the position of the president right now because he's obviously absolving himself of any connection to what we saw on the 6th of january he flew to texas. earlier in the day to talk

about the war talk about what he's achieved and really no apology whatsoever what do you read into his actions right now considering what's going on in washington d.c. . news no going right now or news around the globe that you can write on the president misled the american equal not right lie and you know now too much which i think is really not your cars or your gross mischaracterization of the election and also the fact that he is new really taking away when. he could have been talking about all along we're not going to lie and he will genia a lot of anger and. he also has render a lot. and i just think is unforgivable of create the. one i'm in you or me are now an american. not a bar we heard from our correspondent mike hanna about the minority leader in the

house saying that directly that he is not going to guy other republicans in the house about how to vote we're also getting word from several media organizations in the us that mitch mcconnell is perhaps warming up to the potential of an impeachment of the president now or in the future how how how problematic is this now becoming for the republican party for the g.o.p. how fractious fractious is this becoming internally. very fracturing a program how many of my friends and colleagues who work and they know who work in politics are all at a loss what we're seeing really aren't we're actually liz cheney the number 3 in the house the house here she really committed her leadership making a huge there out there and leading with what hopefully is going to be the future of the republican party in this associate from. the. president

in the senate you know mitch mcconnell is on record. not ignoring the president and i think that he is there for each one that there are. conviction aswell. i think it's a lot of new for the president's chances of not being convicted and you know when we come are not really we walk in the fact that the case certainly sturton the opportunity to run for reelection obviously the american public a glute so that these are perceived a large majority of them watching what's going on not just in the house waiting for for bated breath on every word that the president has to say yet we see a memo coming from the joint chiefs of staff a general mark milley compelling and reminding service members that it is wrong to disrupt the constitutional process an unprecedented statement from the joint chiefs of staff and sends a very very important message to the american people about the state of play

between elected officials and the military that is that to serve and protect the united states of america. well we have the greatest work during the world and the greatest leaders in the world here in the world i'm. so thankful that they showed this moment while on the unite together and all the while the leadership made. it we are that they are going to be committed with constitution not any. one who is nation of our military worst thing that we can. kind of slowly have over the years not military but from politicians. i'm very proud of our military leadership coming out and you know you should know. mark i mean it's good to get your insight and thanks very much for your comments appreciate you joining us from maryville in tennessee. thank you so much. and those are live pictures of course

from the houses politicians that continue to debate the potential to invoke and vote on the 25th amendment we're monitoring that through the day we continue to watch the pictures let's bring in bruce fein a former us associate deputy attorney general author of the constitutional peril life and death struggle of our constitutional democracy be with us through the evening from washington d.c. and joins us again bruce always good to get your importer and good to have you monitoring what's going on in the house right now the debate is very divisive where we're hearing both democrats and republicans state their case the 25th amendment itself will get voted on we assume wholeheartedly from the house the question is where does it go from here and can it really move forward in the senate. well i do not think that the resolution would move forward in the senate because it is a futile exercise mr pence's already declared he is not going to invoke the 25th

amendment of the senate needs to be prepared for an impeachment trial. i believe that there is utility in the 25th amendment in so far as it can remove mr trump from office immediately upon a letter from the vice president supported by a majority of the cabinet saying that mr trump is unable to discharge his duties namely to faithfully execute the laws and to defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic and because he's devoted to taking a wrecking ball to the constitution indeed he is notorious for saying which he never retracted and then i have article 2 where i can do anything i want as president and that is exactly a statement that he's unable in to operate within the constraints of the constitution but it's the speed of the 25th amendment that gives it an advantage

over in peach mint and then an impeachment trial because mr trump being president of the most powerful country in the history of the world can wreak havoc in simply 24 hours military attacks and has been pointed out and some of the debate issuing pardons has already calls for him to pardon all those thugs and criminals who are assaulting the capitol the temple of democracy and doing other things that could wreak havoc including trying to embolden in incite his supporters again to attack the capitol and that's why the 25th amendment has some utility in addition to impeachment it's fast but mr pence is clearly not choosing that route it would be better in my judgment to moves directly to impeachment and the trial which i think will succeed because mr mcconnell who's already weighed. ring was able to keep 43 and 44 republican senators with him when he opposed any challenge to the electoral votes certified by the states and cast of by and he only needs of traction of that

percentage in order to reach the 67 mark that would result in 2 thirds vote to oust mr trump from office preclude him from running for 2024 if that's the case bruce i mean you obviously heard our previous guest who's an attorney and a republican strategist for maryland shortly he was talking about the divisive nature of the fractures that have been coals within the republican party this has set more than fractures through the through legislators both in the house and in the senate about what happened on the 6th of january how does this reverberate in the g.o.p. at this present moment in time when you have people like mitch mcconnell and mitt romney really at the forefront of maybe guiding many more of their colleagues into how they act in the next 244872 hours. well i think there will be some fracture but i think it would be largely minimal remember you've omitted liz cheney who is the house republican conference leader is the

daughter of dick cheney who also is one of. a half dozen a former secretaries of defense who also urged the military to disobey you know any illegal unconstitutional order of mr trump and clearly opposing and being appalled and is incitement insurrection and and seditious conspiracy and so and mr cheney is not on the centrist side of the republican party he's clearly on the very right side but you will find a handful maybe mr cruz from texas and mr josh hallie from missouri but it will be tiny and it will be a lot more healthy and the republican party will be able to heal much more quickly if trump is out of the running in 2024 because he's been disqualified from holding office again as long as trump hangs like a sword of damocles over the part because he could continue to run i think it will cause the party to remain

a cephalus and that longer has with each other which i believe would largely end once we have trump out of office and prohibited from running ever again and that may be the case for us but at the end of the day the g.o.p. the republican party is divided as of talked about you know whether they have fractions now or not is one thing they are a very divided party in the sense that trumps bases law and why don't anybody that goes against him right now. will be seen as a traitor will they be seen in the same sort of prism once trump leaves office on the 20th of january and he is no longer president will he have the same sway really have the same support and will of the republicans be brave or not to challenge him should he have a one to. head towards thinking about you know presidential election 2024. well they're due to circumstances in which he could be out of office

i think the most desirable is that he's out of office and he's unable to run again so he's no even potential threat but even if he's not disqualified it's surely true that once he leaves office the number of quivers in that he has an order to attack his enemy plunges considerably he's off of twitter is off of facebook it's not clear how much he won't be able to offer you know any pardons is not able to offer any grants he's not a year old offer any political favors and he's not able to threaten with investigations or anything else he could utilize executive power for treaty alley we know he's notorious for firing anybody and trying to isolate and fire from from positions of authority anyone who opposed him but that all vanishes once he leaves office he still will have a core of supporters but i think they will dwindle by at least half their a large portion of the electorate.