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watching the story today to pick up problem is white supremacy in us police forces that so than your santa studies he could see 90 states this is what they told us earlier but what supremacy in us police force is how many civil law enforcement and military personnel tend to be the most sought after recruits among florida extremist groups. part of that is because they have an understanding of situations like what we saw in january 6 that your average recruit would not have then on purely the issue of race it's obviously disgusting to have one force one officials who are white supremacists it doesn't take exactly a brain surgeon to figure out why that would be the case if you have somebody who

believes that race comes above country race comes above anything else in society they are that much life more likely to. create terror in the population and do it under the guise of authority. see foolish to get started i'm sure you have many more questions for a expert panel looking forward to hearing those just put your comments into the comments section and i'll try and get some of your thoughts into today's discussion with say hello to the guests that guess we'll say hi to you mike cynthia's son and thanks for being on the stream today might welcome back to the stream remind our audience who you are what you do. thank you for having me again tonight it's my german i'm a fellow at the brennan center for justice and n.y.u. law school prior to that i was an f.b.i. special agent for 16 years were some of my cases involved infiltrating white

supremacists and far right militant groups as undercover agents. thanks for coming that like i since the end tell me to shorty and it's how you would like to be screwy south what you did. not everyone and cynthia miller n.p.r.'s thank you for having me am a professor at american university where in washington d.c. where i direct the polarization and extremism research and innovation lab our peril and i also recently finished a book called hate in the homeland the new far right. subtitle amazing cynthia thanks for joining us and have a shine and welcome to the string issues half. i'm shannon foley martinez i am a consultant apparel where dr miller just works i am also a former violent white supremacists i've been out of the movement for over 25 years and i work towards helping off ramp and disengage people who are currently still

in far right spaces. and my area of passion is actually working on prevention so that we can better an ocular people from ever finding residence with with any of the stuff in the 1st place i also have 7 kids hence why i'm coming to you from like bunker shadow here it's the only place i could talk about the one of those hurts me . shot i'm looking forward to hey welcome you in just a moment mine i have to share all my laptop this was something that could end the stream just before we went to u.s. army national guard members with ties to fringe right group militias being removed security mission secure joe biden's presidential inauguration an army official and see intelligence officials say that's what we're talking about. i'm just thinking about all of the work he's done over many many years and i know you can't be surprised about this but why. it's well

it's been a persistent problem for the entirety of our history and i think people forget that . our nation was founded as part of a whites and progressives project or a european colonization of the so-called new world in fact it was a world inhabited by other people but white supremacy was baked into the religion and theology and philosophy. of p.p. european colonists that came here and that which white supremacy was codified in our laws for hundreds of years and for much longer than it hasn't been right it's really just since the civil rights movement that. discriminate racial discrimination has been illegally far but of course that didn't change things

overnight and law enforcement not just law enforcement and military all u.s. institutions are infected by that foundational history and and it remains a problem that we unfortunately don't really address head on but you know their excuse or reason why corporate boards are mostly white and congress is disproportionately way you know the officer corps a general officers in the military are disproportionately white these are all part of the lingering structural racism that exists in our society. i'm just looking at similar pictures of cynthia taking selfies with the terrorists not mind what teams need to machine. and then to the police officers charged in the cops who write and just skim it up a little bit so you can see them are you looking at this and thinking. we've been

telling you about this so it's known what did you not see. i mean it does feel a little bit like that although i try usually not to present myself that way i will say i published a piece in in foreign affairs that i know a lot of people have read in december and that was call you know when the fire right penetrates law enforcement which was really talking about the problem of white supremacist extremism in mom force and the military and better in communities and comparing it to investigations that are ongoing in germany so you know this isn't just a u.s. problem there there are other countries grappling with it as well and i would say you know i think there's really 2 different issues i agree with me that you know you can't really understand white supremacist extremism without understanding the foundation of white supremacy that it's built on so that for the 1st and foremost has to be understand that police officers and law enforcement grapple with the same kinds of bias ease and the need for anti-racist practice and training that

everybody else who is white in the society really deals with but it's also the case i think that that there's active recruitment going on from or is in the militia and fire rate scenes of law enforcement officers who who are highly prized recruits within those as we've heard already on this program and so you have a kind of on the one hand as far right extremism and other forms of extremes and go up in a society there you know their partners and individuals like anyone else and may be just as vulnerable to recruitment as anybody else is but it's also the case that they're targeted for recruitment in different ways and so we have to actually see them as more vulnerable and not just susceptible there's no protective factor that comes from being a police officer that would help you necessarily ward off the recruitment advances of a way to promises to extremist groups or a patriot militia. i want to show the shining and a little bit of a presidential debate that was hosted by sulks news national september i'm going to

play that and i will it's kind of the back of that to the meat so still it's. no filter let's play that. but are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups. to say that they need to stand down and not to the violence in a number of these studies as we saw in town osha and as we've seen in portland sure you know malaria as it is i think like you who has a i would say almost everything i see is from the left wing not from the right so what do you want to you know what do you say i'm willing to do anything i want to see. you do it. do you want to call him what do you want to call him give me a name give me a what is a process and would you like me to indict outgrown as a person right proud of my words stand back and stand by. well they heard the message as we saw on january 6th 2021.

they definitely stanstead by. i in the most for of us terms if we cannot name the problem and we cannot say or violent over white supremacists in addition to the systemic white supremacy in which we live is the problem if we can't even name that problem then there is absolutely no hope of fixing or mitigating the problem whatsoever. i'm just looking here if you choose a lot of people talking about white supremacy in arguing about it so no lusciousness how much to present donald trump contribute to what happened at the capitol building last week. i think his contributions are significant not just that clip back during the debates but post-election as

does. prost protest that the election was stolen and that he wanted people to activate his come out and show their displeasure so. i think looking at the period that i was doing 'd the 'd undercover work in the 1990 s. a lot of people asked me what has changed and they tend to focus on the internet and social media but it's really hasn't changed nearly as much as you would imagine what changed was you had a president of the united states and a top authority figure encouraging these groups to mobilize and it and praising them when they gauged in violence against the political enemies he designated and that was problematic because he also as an audience in law enforcement in the military that he was talking to so he was basically putting those and since he is all on the same size and that backs me that he still didn't

want they didn't have time there. where they could come out and commit public violence that the police did not address and the f.b.i. didn't prevent the internet or interstate travel that they were engaged in and so they are now built networks that make it easier for them to gather in mass in order to commit violence and that violence on least conditions them to believe not us that it's ok but it's actually authorized that they are allowed to engage in this activity and when the police don't react there's 'd nothing to make them believe it's not true you know we're in differing period now where there is some law enforcement action but it will be. ok. the for the public to make sure that law enforcement actually addresses the violence that's been going on for the last 4 years all around the country not just what happened at the capitol as if that was right slated about a sure let me just play

a little clip just 1010 seconds of o'bryant so you can see it and then remember that in not kraut was law enforcement members who also rising out of ringback. sylvia. many people pointed out that the wave of law enforcement dealt with the krauts is very different than the way they dealt with black ice matter protest as in the in the same area in a not in washington d.c. in the summer time there were black life matter protests and a was showing out in source there was no that you have a commitment that was tina gas there was

a very different response. can yeah us this is i think exactly what we're talking about when we talk about bias police bias and who is deemed a threat and it becomes clear we now know from some of the reporting that's already been done that there actually was very good intelligence in a report 3 days prior. to the capitol police that warned them of violent attacks on the capitol that warmed them of what could happen and that intelligence was not taken into account and so of the many scandals and of the many you know parts of the history books that were written about january 6th. the other failure of law enforcement to adequately prepare and in an address in advance what happened has got to be up there and and so and i think those images just of police in riot gear in june versus police in ordinary uniforms in january is going to stick with us

for a really long time and you know now i live in washington d.c. where in and militarized city essentially with 25000 troops and military checkpoints and bridges closed in i mean i've never seen anything like this in my life so now we're in the situation where we've you know of course that things have gotten so bad it has to go much further in the other direction so the ever do the ongoing securitization because we're unwilling to deal with these things at the root and address it here through prevention intervention means that we end up with a situation where where they in the end result a lot of this bias inadequate preparation made things much much worse. i'm just going to some images are still on my laptop from the washington post who cover the capitol building riots and also have covered the protesters and they should be the different types of riots of riots happening how with police 50 gas. protest as being tear gassed by the police. have to building riots like mad as

protest is you can see the difference here. and again capitol building riots life matters protesters here very different approach i am to wondering shannon with in some of the multiple. factions that make up white supremacy groups are they aware of this weakness in the way the police deals with them. well i mean here we are on a. all white panel talking about white supremacy in the us police force that's pretty telling in and of itself or i like. yes they're aware of it there was a strategic women like shift towards the end of my time in the way of power movement for this particular infiltration to begin to happen to purposefully enter into policing into the military into teaching

into government offices so that. there could be influence exerted from inside these spaces. and and i would disagree a little bit that i do think that the internet has played a role obviously yes the commander in chief of this nation basically giving a free pass has in enormous impact what we know like facebook took down in a giant police group where there was all kinds of white supremacist stuff being shared and infiltrate and that that the internet allows for this connectivity and also for the normalization of overtly white supremacist ideas amongst police forces beyond ones like local local area and i think that the influence of that and that connectivity and the ability to organize mobilize

and normalize what they're doing is incredibly important. to make peace to you might discourage. angry panda how can these white supremacy speak readouts merely an aura of society how do you change the thinking. and so i think changing the thinking is that it would be extremely difficult that what we have to focus on or what the f.b.i. has to focus on and i think that's out of court or of the conversation that doesn't get mentioned there are 2 different problems here one is the violence from the white supremacist far right militant groups that meghann often include law enforcement or military or former law enforcement or military or at least have connections to them and the other is the discourse in our society in the marketplace of ideas and those are 2 different problems right but you know you know

during to focus on these these militant groups without recognizing that our discourse this to store that record that secretary of state of the united states just put out a tweet about how we have to get rid of the ism this and of course i wasn't talking about fascism and. he was talking about you know he said localism you know that this idea that a multicultural society is is is a threat to america rather than something that helps america so if we differentiate what those 2 problems are we have different tools for address right law enforcement is not an effective tool for a good read marker just like for a horrible thing what law enforcement should do to a to address people in law enforcement who are acting in behaving in

a racist manner or it's actively associating with groups that engage in. white supremacists are far right militants a illegal activity is that something that law enforcement can deal with and the f.b.i. has ample tools right for all the resources the f.b.i. puts into its counterterrorism program it also has the obligation to investigate violations of civil rights and that includes color of law violations by the police so they have plenty of complaints coming to them something i was i was being by a police officer who used racial epithets as he beat me or i was unfairly targeted because of my race and those investigations don't receive the type of resources in this and since and the effort that the f.b.i. puts into other kinds of cases it's you know the f.b.i. works every day with state and local law enforcement those officers know who the problem officers are right but there we don't have whistleblower protections that

are strong enough to protect them if they report those officers so part of this problem and i wrote a report on this called it in plain sight because that's what it is they know who they are the f.b.i. knows who the police officers they can trust and the police officers they don't they can't trust are in these departments it's a matter of actually having the will to address the problem and that's what's lacking. i want to bring in one conversation he says rush away because he says like this is what we need to do now how many sent to russia. has there been enough national isn't it to curb the infiltration of why supremacy in law enforcement a simple answer is no in the capitol who have lighted it but understanding this links back to the founding of the united states of america where slave black people would flee plantations and be tracked by what are called slave patrols slave patrols actually started march for so many united states so what do we do about it

whether by the administration has an uphill battle here but i think he's a sim and he's a symbol not a partner just as there is prime ford 1st people need to be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law saying we need to strengthen hate crime laws 3rd we need to create a national hate crime group registry in ford we need to do their own background checks to ensure that people who become our force money go into the military do not hold why supremacy ideology not only to wise purposes groups. so you can pick up a caucus not. yeah i like pressure points a lot i would say i would only add to that i think in addition to those points we need mandated data reporting at the level of the department of defense and the department of justice because i think one of the problems in this is the you know professor hat that i wear we just it's very difficult we have anecdote after enacted after anecdote that really shows an ongoing problem but it's very

difficult to counter the argument that it's just a few bad apples if we don't have the data that shows the nature of the systemic problem and so i think that there have been you know repeated attempts to get that reporting and to make it more systematic so that we have reporting from across all the local departments that we actually understand the nature of the problem the percentage of officers and i would also add you know not just the need to investigate people at the time of recruitment and training but also in a periodic and ongoing way because we know that officers remain vulnerable just as other people who remain vulnerable to the propaganda persuasive rhetoric and manipulative efforts of extremist groups and that they may once they're already officers for some time still become mobilized and that some of what we're seeing now so i don't think it's enough to only look at the moment of recruitment and training and incorporation into law enforcement but that we have to have periodic checks. i'm picking up some negativity on your cheek that always never happens.

every can and nate say you can't change the thinking white supremacy in the police foolish you can't change that thinking as well as we can and need to sing and you see walked. well i mean i am a living example that you can change thinking i think it requires a lot of investment. i think it also requires us particularly when we're talking about military and police officers. some real soul searching about. the roles and functions that they play and. that we understand that some of the training that's involved is actually something which increases the vulnerability of people to find resonance with you know if you get one person who slips past like you know the. sensors or whatever they're screening as they're coming in and you

have one charismatic person that the the conditions and the training that's involved actually leaves people incredibly vulnerable because they're looking for like a sense of brotherhood they're looking for this heroic narrative there are their jobs are incredibly. trauma inducing a lot of times. the messaging that we give to to our police officers as sort of like a protected instead of being servants of us that they're sort of a protected status but it we can change that and part of it is we need to to do it holistically and culturally. if you guess you can do so you can full of the work online on twitter have a look here shannon twitter. own twitter. michael twitter i recommend you follow the we. thank you of the body feel you tube

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