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got you all deserve needs a whole robin a reminder of our top stories hours after being sworn in as the $46.00 president of the united states joe biden signed 17 executive orders not actions dismantling some of donald trump's contentious policies they include a rollback of the immigration ban targeting muslims and having the u.s. rejoin the paris climate accord when we meet. these executive actions. promises were made. to go. there. are important but we're going to move for rather than removing the 1st word around here is. to. its record. were i have authority. over.
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100 property and interstate commerce center this is the 1st time. joe biden was sworn into office and in a unique inauguration ceremony the public were told to stay away due to the pandemic thousands of national guard troops are deployed across washington to prevent a repeat of the riots on capitol hill earlier this month campbell harris says made history in her swearing in breaking both gender and racial barriers the former california attorney general is the 1st woman vice president and is also the 1st black a south asian person in the role. in many ways this moment embodies our character as a nation it demonstrates who we are even in dark times we not only dream we do we not only see what has been. we see what can be we shoot for the moon and then we plant our flag on it we are bold
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fearless and ambitious we are undaunted in our belief that we shall overcome that we will rise up this is american aspiration well her achievement is also being celebrated 14000 kilometers from washington d.c. in her ancestral village in south india his mother was born in india villages the day as a proud moment for indian americans. ministrations called chinese sanctions on era officials unproductive and cynical china sanctions on wednesday on $28.00 people including former secretary of state mike. those are the headlines about more news in half an hour here on al-jazeera next it's inside story do stay with us. even do it with the money that it's borat we bring you the stories and developments that are rapidly changing the world we live in argentina's congress is debating
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a bill seeking to raise millions of dollars from the super rich families paid by them and counting on al-jazeera. rich countries sound accused of not sharing cultured 90 vaccines with foreign nations and the w.h.r. calls that a catastrophic moral failure has grown a virus continues to spread who will ensure a fair distribution of the available dung since this is in france on. the market a program came from millions of coronavirus that seems have been administered in wealthy countries while in one of the world's poorest guinea only 25 doses have been given the global vaccine sharing fund kovacs says it's preparing to deliver
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its 1st supplies in february but is competing with nations striking their own lucrative deals with benefactress to secure the majority of doses the head of the world health organization has warned the world is on the brink of a catastrophic moral failure which will cost many more lives more than $79000000.00 doses of vaccine have now been. in at least $49.00 higher income countries just $25.00 has been given in one lowest income country not $25000000.00 not $25000.00 just $25.00 i need to be blunt the world is on the brink of a catastrophe moral failure. the prize of this failure will be paid with lives and livelihoods in the world's poorest
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countries. now with a more infectious variant of the virus identified last month the scramble for vaccines among countries who can afford them has only intensified well help organizations pandemic review panel co-chair and former liberian president ellen johnson sirleaf expressed disappointment in the vaccine rollout plans which she said means shots won't be widely available across africa until 2022 or even 2023 she says it's no exaggeration to say that we are at risk of creating a distribution system grounded in iniquity. we're going to go to i guess just in a moment but 1st let's take a look at how many people have been vaccinated so far more than 46200000 doses in 51 countries have been administers that's according to data collected by bloomberg israel has vaccinated the most people per capita with more than one in 4 israelis having received a dose of the pfizer biotech formular it's followed by the u.a.e. and bahrain in the u.k.
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just over 6 percent of the population of $66000000.00 have received a vaccine shot in the united states it's more than 4 percent guinea is the sole low income country to have delivered any shots at all so far last week providing doses of the russian sputnik back seemed to only 25 people and that's including the president. joining me now are our guests in the roberts are the dean ibrahimi director of med biotech a medical biotechnology laboratory he's also professor of medical biotechnology at the university mohamad the 5th in oxford we have dr julian savulescu professor of practical ethics at the university of oxford and co-director of the welcome center for ethics and humanity and in new delhi we have ramadan luxman that ayaan an epidemiologist and senior research scholar and actress at princeton university a very warm welcome to you all thank you for joining us on inside story i'd like to start with you mr. doctor we heard there said that the world is on the brink of
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a catastrophic moral failure at the price of this failure he says repaid with the lives and livelihoods of the world's poorest countries is that a fair assessment in your opinion. well i think that it could be an outcome i think the w.h.o. is certainly correct to say it would be a catastrophic moral filey finally out to why stuart just follows all of a very viable and valuable vaccine but i think we also need to understand why this apparent stockpile is occurring in developed countries and that's for several reasons 1st of all these were pre-approval purchases before we knew which vaccines were going to be effective when they were going to be approved and how long the vaccines would be effective for and that kind of financing was also necessary to bring back scenes to market so although it appears that countries will have 3 times
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as much vaccine as their population needs in my view there's still spice for those countries to die tonight to kovacs excess back saying once they've met their country's requirements ok. not ion there were says when that when vaccines came rich countries who had printed books there was a vaccine they would be ready while low income countries would be made to wait for basically whatever is left is that is that what's happening now. well keep in mind that as far as the other panelists just said people back scenes that were pre-booked and many of the developing countries were really waiting for the call back to society to be the source for them to procure vaccines and certainly the 1st orders will be go will go to those who have reported the other part of the story or of inequity of distribution or simply that you know the lot of the lot of the backing the getting out of the mud on the pfizer and marni vaccines which are
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stored at very low temperatures are going to simply not the facilities to deliver these in lower middle income countries at the current time so it isn't as if all the backing was feasible for these countries there's only a subset that there is and there would be move back in that get developed over you know and get approved over the next few months so i think it's a little bit early days it was a little perspective to you know saying that this huge inequity there is but because systems are glitches and some of these problems and they're not in other countries india would your example of a country which is a you know the little country but which i anticipate we'll see vastly more coverage both in numbers but perhaps you're going to percentage terms very soon just because india is made that investment in the bakken and india also has the manufacturing capacity right it already had that infrastructure there i'd like to bring in our mr brahimi we had there from our earlier panelist talking about kovacs i want to ask
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you does kovacs have the capacity to meet the needs of lower middle income countries and what happens the longer that those countries have to wait what does that mean for the viruses ability to mutate. what i actually came thank you for the invitation but they think i'll have to go back to the numbers there's no way i would not listen to the numbers 14000040 millions for the richest country or the country from manufacturing the vaccine and 2525 it's amazing i'm shocked i'm shocked and angry actually i think you can give any excuses we want to but i think there is no excuse not actually to share i think i have no excuse you can give me that they were pre-booked they were by idiots they bait for i did they wrote that there is no need that's kind of their going to have 5 times more worth its needs there is no need for europe or for america to get 5 times 3 times what
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they need i think that's a really really shocking to me i think the virus more was more human than humans actually because the virus actually was very democratic and didn't make a difference between poor and rich country and here we have taken a distinguished distinction between poor and rich country and that the given the strategy is wrong because i think and that's coming back to your question because even though you live africa out with its virus the virus will move to fly the virus will get its variant and even you folks in your rich country may be in globalized word you would be having and your borrowing to come into your place so i think the strategy would have been a more human one and just as we were in 2 words as humans coming out of it as humans by saying we saved the lives of people at risk let's say and i mean i didn't i want to pick up on something you said you mentioned canada having 5 times that
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supply so yeah i think you're referring to the fact that's been figured out that if all of the vaccines that are in critical trials were approved then that then canada would be able to that its population 5 times of but you can you really blame canada for wanting to cover its bases. but now they cover their bases now with no that's or the vaccines are good there's no way that you can just keep them i can instill that in the beginning you didn't know which one will be working but now by december lots of countries new which might soon be working and if they can right now there is no need to pile up what you have to do just as saying to yourself as a human is not anything goes just as a scientist i'm not talking as a scientist i don't want to do ok as a scientist as a humans as i am really caring for my all the people as i am caring for people with morbidity in my country i want to say people in other countries and after the 2nd
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step will be go into the general of the community the herd immunity or the global immunity the steps to the to the must vaccination rotten people are to rest and that's all come to the next step with the moderate step i want to talk about the business of vaccines the economy a vaccine mr locke's may not a on how much money a drug company is really making from these vaccines as i see johnson and johnson astra zeneca have pledged to sell the vaccine at a cost that only just covers their costs so who is making money here. so i think that you know it's going to be highly inequitable because you know the $150.00 teams many promises of the company but the 1st few developers will have an advantage because they can charge a higher price and and the people who come after will both have more expensive trials because they love to show the backing works against you know existing vaccines you can't do the civil trials you know probably not for much longer and
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the other part of course just market advantage but to get to the point about you know what the fair way to do this would be i think i would absolutely agree with the other passengers that the bandwidth to do it would be that to identify people at risk globally wherever they might be and make sure that they are the ones that are prioritize and this is really what kodak seeks to do and i believe that we are still having a conversation which is the early days in there which makes a lot of the world back in biggest back to america actually as literally started vaccinating only 2 days ago i think it's a bit early to to say that this was a drug that doesn't work let's give it a couple of months i'm sure there be other issues that come along the way that we think are unanticipated with the back scene and certainly not all 'd the back into the work as you correctly said you know canada is not going to have 5 times the number of vaccine and nor will canada want to vaccinate the population 5 times over i would imagine that canada would both remain the vaccine you know for other
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countries and they're starting now to build up multi-year stone miles i highly doubt that's going to be the case but i do think that doubly true you know should go beyond just calling out the problem which is a good 1st step but i think they should also figure out mechanisms to help the poorer countries also figure out how to prioritize how to get ready and there are countries like india which are now already shipping back into other countries in spite of there being a massive need in india and i believe. the russians have done it of the chinese have done it as well so it isn't as of all the back scenes of only go out of the countries in which the matter of fact either so are i think it's still a bit early there is. research you have work to make sure it's equitable but we also need to think about what that equity really means and i also agree with this point that i think globally iraq's new 1st people who are at bottom 3 risk which is health care workers next to the bottom triggers which is people you know who are
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elderly or commodities and then you get the one else to see both are going to be actually apply throughout the world we're going to talk about that then but later i want to come back to you dr subtle isco you are a professor of practical ethics i want to talk about the ethics of kovacs as i've been here i was set up to give that block a better chance at negotiating prices with the drug companies who make the vaccines in the face of a global pandemic one must question that entire set up right that drug companies would be able to extort countries when the fate of the world is at stake. well in an ideal world we would have a world government that distribute the vaccine according to ethical principles around the world w.h.o. is not a world government we have nice sions and we have markets and kovacs is a fantastic initiative that runs in parallel. but you know we have to live with
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a world that we we have kovacs has made some strides to get half a $1000000000.00 says all courses ready for 2021 in timing for 2000000000 and and them the market in some some ways has worked the oxford astra zeneca back saying $2000000000.00 says have been provided to fax those are being also provided that cost india is producing that vaccine at skyll russia has contributed $1500000000.00 says charter and all the several $100000000.00 so countries ah attending to then they of less developed countries it could be better and kovacs could could have more and they're certainly correct to put pressure on other countries but these vaccines are developed through a market and that is the reality of the world and we you know we have to work
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with that not against when you talk about doses being donated to do you think that's really out of the good and out of the goodness of the hots of these countries or is this an opportunity to exercise soft power. well i mean to be honest with you there's a huge self-interest for rich countries to ensure global coverage because you know this pen pandemics saying to our country boundaries if there's a reservoir in one part of the world it will move to the other part of the world so you know this is something where you know self-interest will all and to some degree with ethics. i don't think it's purely the way out of self-interest i think there are genuine and equal concerns to ensure that that the people who need the back saying get it i don't think it's about exercising power at least not in the oxford astra zeneca case perhaps china and russia are saying opportunities for regional
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influence but at the end of the tie we want the vaccine to get to as many people as quickly as possible. but he may we talk about you know everyone is trying to roll out the sexing so quickly as quickly as they can but might just actually be an ongoing issue because we don't know how long immediacy lasts for so might it be that we're going to have this problem every year why i think that is a lot of stuff i'm sure when actually they would if you were to be lost and quite a bit actually to have to pay for that $1.00 of them came in november or in california $100.00 or one in britain we showed that actually people with a not for it is actually going to get some taxes are discarded completely let's see if for at least 8 months i think this is the proper case that's there when if you screw the polluter birds for the party and actually i think it has to work is actually they showed her the period of the vaccination they got like 3 months and they think that the clive or the family of the crown of ours is pretty stable kind
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of and with the subsequent one actually lots of people kept their unity for 4 years but that was not to jump back to the business to ation of the poor countries i think we have to sort of critic what we are doing that. i think we were didn't support the w ritual and not actually between the bickering between china and the us i think poor countries and developing countries should have jumped in and say you can actually interview this school have proper if you cannot have it with the ritual big but the matter of life for a lot of people you work on the 2nd quarter that is for the marketing boards and i think what's going to happen in this country is we're going to go back to each idea and situation will not or cannot do or the patent holds for a simple reason i cannot protect you no account of the company against the health of the population is what happened in south africa not for example risk breaking
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the rules of the patent and libby will be coming back soon to haunt this company is not well and we're going to is not willing to share there are actually ok i want to talk about the w.h.r. dominant loves me not a on you but at the w.h.o. earlier does the situation where i now call into question for you at all but leadership or the effectiveness of the world health organization you remember at the time as well watching the virus spread there was a lot of pressure on the w.h.o. to declare this a pandemic and it held off do you think there should be questions about the w.i. chose handling. was this always the questions about how the bleacher report on this because the bleachers is are is accountable to all of the member countries and remember that at least operates within the u.n. system but the head of the bridge was actually elected by the world health assembly which is made up of the ministers of el or all of the countries that are part of this will have some glee and i think there will be
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a calling to account without question there already is an examination of what actually went on in the conversation to be doubly sure in china back in january 3rd and there are important questions that remain to be answered but at the same time w.h.o. in 'd the purely depleted organization and as a shadow of what it was 20 years ago i've been working with the beach over many years as i'm sure my fellow panelists have been and the lack of funding of w.h.o. the deep prioritize ation but also w.h.o. itself being unable or unwilling to undertake significant reforms which again come back to the world cup assembly because it's a whole bunch of countries that unless the world decides started want a strong effective and a nimble doubly sure it will not get there at the end of the day there's no point pointing fingers at this one organization this organization reflect the dysfunctionality of global governance of institutions with large and the 1st step
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which i'm looking forward to you know tomorrow is where hopefully as president biden had promised the u.s. will rejoin w.h.o. and it's and will and that would sort of bring us to a sense of stability that we we recognize that the world solve problems together not by you know what america 1st or some other country 1st kind of approach the focus of alaska what do you think we can learn from past global pandemics when that thing took a long time to get to some countries as opposed to others what lessons should we have learned. well i mean the 1st place unease if we are all in this together. do you see these you know a global problem that we cannot just close the door of our country and expect not to be affected by it so we do need a global approach and it is a challenge to it to achieve that but i think we are making some headway into it
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the other thing i think is that you know if you look at the eradication of smallpox you need to do extraordinary coordination i mean and they did some cases mandatory measures to achieve the eradication of smallpox now it's covered 19 is not smallpox i think it won't be eradicated it will be more like flu that it will mutate we will need to be revaccinated and we'll need to learn to live with it so in some ways i think we need to learn from how we've we've managed flu pandemics to to look at how we can manage covert 19 but at least in the short term it may be that we need mandatory measures and we need much greater global coordination mr as a danish brahimi i want to ask you what you make all the time is approaching vaccinating it's working population to get them back to work 1st and what do you think would be the best approach i know it's obviously varied across the continent but what would be the best approach for africa well africa i think we have to make
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a statement that's that african you unit is the figure actually that's big then how come are there $54.00 countries couldn't actually manage to have one vaccine that rocks or produce a maxi i think we have 2 critical accent but that frickin union that piece as a voting block in a lot of institutions could have worked or are actually in a brink you know. we don't see and i think actually in africa i think the way to do it so i think it's a we have no leverage and that's the reality of things wrap no. average of but against either the rich countries either the manufacturing countries like india and china and if china basically or russia want to play a joke or attacks with the vaccine it will be tough to do all through to actually come to them the only way that we could do it actually is to help our self and in
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the next i will be ready to the rock drugs there are obvious soon in africa without needing to actually rely on other countries doctors have a lesko do you think governments will spend more seriously now on pandemic preparedness. well i mean to be honest. it's very fortunate that covert 19 it is is not as lethal as spanish influenza. so you know on a on a on a long term skiable this this is not 'd one of the worst pandemics that we've had so we're going to get worse pandemics than this and we also have the possibility of bio weapons. intentionally constructed biological weapons which are very easy to manufacturers' and if if if ebola was bio engineered to be as can tell you just it's covert 19 you would be
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a total catastrophe so and those events you know are possible you know you know backyard laboratory you can create a virus capable of wiping out not you know millions but hundreds of millions of people so we need to radically rethink our preparedness to pay damages this is one of the greatest existential threats not coded no entity but a future pandemic and we were totally all prepared with the preparation of pay pay your personal protective equipment. we've been able to develop a vaccine in that year but we still don't understand the disease we need to rethink doing challenge studies to rapidly develop understanding of disease and more rapidly develop vaccines i think i'm going crazy using message for a very seriously will be digesting this for a very very long time we'll have to leave it there for time thank you to all of our guests as athena behind me you're going to have
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