full lockdown. we just need a precise deadline so we can organize because we have 30 seasonal workers here and we want to know if we'll have enough work for them until the end of the season we're not complaining about the government's decision but we need to be able to plan months of uncertainty little business and the looming lockdown people he say results like the plane will need government aid to survive without its tens of thousands of workers will be left out in the cold natasha al jazeera. it's good to have you with us hello adrian for going to here in doha the headlines on al-jazeera security forces in lebanon a 5 water cannon the protesters who are angry over coronavirus lockdown measures hundreds of people have been gathering in tripoli al-jazeera is saying a halt to reports from that a 3rd day of violence you can see right behind me security forces are your thing

here guys to try to disperse the crowds or even for there are. a few 100 protesters gathered in the main square of lebannon 2nd largest city it is also 11 are mostly in poverty city were at least 60 percent of the population are now troublous these people believe that the core coronavirus the lockdown set up shop in the forest without the assistance provided to them by the authorities in the u.k. is typing coronavirus travel restrictions arrivals from 20 to red list countries will have to hotel quarantine for 10 days upon arrival those wanting to leave the u.k. will only be allowed to travel for essential reasons it's an effort to stop the influx of new strains of covert 19 is the number of infections deaths reaches record levels. south africa has approved astra zeneca as covert 19 very extreme for emergency use south africa's recorded over a 1000000 infections making it the worst hit on the continent. iran is dismissing

the threats made by the israeli military chief of stuff who says the preparations are being made for a possible offensive against iran the country's presidential chief of staff described the comments as psychological warfare vice president couple of orissa sworn in the new u.s. secretary of state in a ceremony a few moments ago and said he blinken is promising to rebuild relationships with america's allies and move it away from the america 1st policy which dominated president trumps administration and joe biden's nobody to be u.n. ambassador is also promising to re-engage with global bodies linda thomas greenfield has been questioned by senators and her confirmation hearing she was head of african affairs under the obama administration those are the headlines monty's fear al-jazeera after inside story next.

lockdown anger boils over on dark streets as people challenge of curfew of public safety measures failing what's behind the rebellion this is inside story. hello and welcome to the show i'm sammy's a than there have been running battles between rioters and police across cities in the netherlands for several days now shops have been looted and smashed as people vented their anger about new covert 19 restrictions it's been there lee for decades

since the netherlands saw violence on its streets on such a large scale many dutch people have been outraged by a curfew the 1st to be imposed since the end of the 2nd world war well the nation had a more relaxed approach to stop the spread of covert $9000.00 at the start of the pandemic but infections have surged it's now stepping up measures to face the threat of more contagious strains detected in the u.k. and south africa steadfast in reports from amsterdam. they're not taking any chances after a night of unrest and looting shop owners in this neighborhood in amsterdam i'm nervous to commit numbers obviously i have to barricade my shop every month already it's been stressful can we pay our rent told not and now this comes on top of it i've also lost my freedom but we just have to endure this if we stick together we'll be out of this crisis faster. but for these young men the curfew and this

crisis have become an excuse to take over the city streets like here in rotterdam outnumbered police had to witness how shops were looted and destroyed the same happened in a dozen other towns and cities across the country the netherlands has had a more relaxed approach in dealing with the covert 1000 pandemic compared to other countries stressing the dutch are too attached to their freedoms but with infection still high and growing concern over a new variant there corona measures have now become among district is in the world what started as protests against the film. by chaotic it may have so little to do with colonial masters but in my view that by growing up against the government influenced by conspiracy theories on social media some groups have increasingly lashed out against government policies and attacked the media far right politicians have been accused of fueling these sentiments this group of people is getting much

more detached from the general public and when you look international service we can also see that the trust gap between a certain group of people is increasing so it's not that this group is getting much larger well we can't really say that this group is a large group but the trust between this group and other people is increasing so that's probably something we should worry about. in a message on social media the rotterdam mayor directly address rioters and their parents there bennett out here out of how to have both of those that has over the guns out how did you wake up did you have a good feeling that you destroyed the city that you caused damages to the entrepreneurs of your city does that satisfy you and what did you do with the stuff you stole last night. questions that many are asking in the netherlands like these shop owners in amsterdam who are also wondering why in times of crisis some people choose to make this situation even worse step fasten al-jazeera amsterdam while

protests against social distancing measures of also taken place in other european cities rallies turned violent in denmark's capital copenhagen last saturday an effigy of the danish prime minister was set on fire and a few people were arrested and in the spanish capital madrid protesters called for the end of masks among the slogans they chanted was we want to breathe the growing discontent comes as many governments of tightened restrictions in recent months. or let's bring our guests into the show now we have joining us from amsterdam yan villan vande priam he's a professor of psychology at the free university of amsterdam in leeds we have amir carne a doctor at the u.k.'s national health service and from copenhagen we have jeff lazarus head of health systems at the barcelona institute for global health welcome

to you all if i can start with young villain so this is the 1st night time curfew to be imposed in holland since world war 2 i mean how hard is that hitting the dutch psyche right now you know it has. really worked so the 1st 3 nights after the regime was imposed there has been. such an. closures renal and so this really rich your question that's this really was the client or really all. that was lost at all there's been a lot of resistance against that lockdown measures but you know this really was a. bio incident governmental intervention of made a spill or it's. a little bit more quiet last night but you know we actually measure riots jeff does this show that the dutch government is losing the ability

to enforce lock downs. well lockdown as you mentioned is new for the dutch authorities but i think it shows is that they're really out of touch with their population for me i see the rioting also as a reaction to the slow back scene well out which started 2 weeks after the rest of the countries were being told on the one hand that we need to vaccinate so that we can get out of there and emic and then the netherlands is dragging their feet a minute i mean you are amongst the front line health workers how vital are lockdowns to helping ease the pressure on those who work to help the public like you. but i am here in the u.k. we have seen how failures on government fail is essentially have led to increased numbers of people contracting co-create and dying we hit the horrible milestone yesterday of 100000 u.k. kovi deaths we know locked down measures work they worked for us in the early

spring it drove our infection rates down it drove our hospital admissions down as soon as we released as soon as we were released. we saw numbers climb in the in the winter period in hospitals our hospitals were overwhelmed and i'm speaking to patients who are bereft every day i'm speaking to patients who are suffering the long term effects of kobe every day but on the other hand i'm also speaking to people who have mental health issues as a result of losing their jobs livelihoods because of lock down it's so so difficult but it it's so important at the moment is a blunt instrument lockdown but at the moment it's all we have until we vaccinated enough people. i know today that use the word it's all we have right now on the come back and pick up on that in a moment is i think that's a very important point for discussion but before we get there going back to the unveiling once again some of the latest protests that we've seen in holland were organized by restaurant owners how badly hit have they been i mean when we think

about the lockdown the thinking part of course of saving public health but as even amir pointed out there are other side effects psychological health the toll on people psychological health and their economic health of people you know yeah for sure the restaurants have. been out for months alyssa's or so major yasmina major. wells of jobs and last for many people there has been stimulus packages failure the governance the counter some of the. you know the middle of that explodes many entrepreneurs these are some. you know you have been experienced as well helpful but also have been there for the needy and yeah so you know the. economic effects are are really noticeable. society that you all should see i think besides the economic expansion mentioned also

a lot of the show could not look back you were there so many people frustrated the young people will only seriously consider the. consequences. well that doesn't mean it's not necessary in order for them actually furnish ferryboats yeah they. don't own people in many ways. jeff necessary but are they sustainable in their current form let me quote some figures published in july and jeff for the month of april right this is we're not talking about the entire period since corona struck but those figures talked about historic falls in economic activity in the netherlands domestic consumption dipped by 17 percent manufacturing by 11 percent is is that sustainable. or i don't think it's sustainable and i think those figures are similar across the european union countries so i'm so what's been described you know restaurant is also happening for

hotels for cinema for theater for shops in general particularly the independent shops not to change shops so i don't think a lockdown is sustainable i hope we're in the final push as we well out the back scene. merely talked about government policy has kind of been going back and forth hasn't it how consistent has government messaging bein as governments try and find i guess the middle ground to balance all of these concerns public health the economy and how does that impact you doing your job when government messaging sometimes changes. it's been tricky over the last 10 months or so given the messaging particular here in the u.k. has changed throughout i think one figure put it at about 60 different government messages throughout this whole period which confuses people and people don't know what to do what they are allowed to do or what they aren't allowed to do they have to be robust clear messages when it comes to something as serious as this just

going back to your previous populate ease into possible to separate the the economy out from that from the health of the people as well so so we can't say oh well we've got to release that down to improve quality all that will do is expose more people to the virus to overwhelm the health service and we're stuck in a vicious cycle which will also have an impact on the economy all that they say is is having a huge effect on any chest workers and health workers right across europe the frequency at which i'm seeing my patients die but you know i've put the dots now 15 years and and i've never seen it like this i've never seen staff n.h.s. frontline workers as war now as as we are now we'll still carry on but things like the riots things like people deny. saying that it doesn't exist really just put additional strain orders when we are working as hard as we can talk about additional strain it's not just holland is it jeff you're in copenhagen over this

last weekend we've seen protests in a number of european countries spain denmark is europe rebelling or beginning to rebel against lockdown and health and safety measures. i don't think we're seeing major rebellion yet we're seeing that that frustration frustration with as was described you know the lack of clear communication and the lack of a clear plan and with low backs in roll out i think there's a small percentage who don't believe in in covert 1000 or don't believe in the pandemic of russia seeing you know they can the netherlands protest from restaurant owners protests and from those around fitness centers and gyms and so i think there is a really you know voicing a legitimate concern that the government needs to move faster i also think it's important to to consider and to nuance our understanding of lockdown lockdown it might be nighttime lockdown it might be closing shops and restaurants.

all of the time for a short period of time so it's going to be different in different settings and when you go to the netherlands and you have your 1st nighttime lockdown it's like they just had that population really hard on top of everything else they're suffering young villain even if they're not the majority of the population are we seeing at least some of those protesters who are coming out there not just protesting against the psychological and economic impact it seems of lockdowns right we're seeing citizen liberties groups joining protests you look at some of the slogan ing that's going on and you begin to think if this is there a deeper perhaps reasons prompting this backlash. yeah well i think this is very. well of the other people in response so she mentioned that there are or certainly are quite a few people out there have different beliefs about it or the virus doesn't look

shish or believe in all sorts of defense of conspiracy theories about it and a lot of distrust to go to the government and these are people in particular i just don't accept their freedoms being australian because they don't see it as the assess. among these people oh yeah that restriction. has grown. and you know it's also installs this needs to rebel. against against it what that is an interesting point some of them have and say they've lost trust in the government's policies to tackle the pandemic let's have a listen to what some of those protesters are talking about a litle bit i don't agree with the actual politics in the netherlands the restrictions of freedom and it's all know that the media don't always show these protests nicely but i hope we can show that this is just a voice of voice saying no we are so afraid that we're going in the wrong direction

this is understandable but it's really the wrong way well as you can see there i mean some of the people protesting are wearing even make america great again hats and we're talking about in the netherlands right people carrying banners complaining about fake news in one soundbite that jeff i'm wondering that says something doesn't it about why the loss of public faith at least among some people in government in institutions in all fora tease whether it's media or hospitals or why the government policy. it's a real challenge we're facing now in europe on the other hand i don't want to exaggerate that challenge and we see you know a vocal minority and i think that's also been the case with some of the protests some of which you know really been hijacked by a more violent minority who joined peaceful protests and then started the looting the fires and the damage and so on so yet to see make america great i don't think

that's going to be any anything widespread across europe but but we do have to really take seriously the issue of this disconnect between politicians and governments and the population and when we measure that scientifically over the summer in one of our studies we saw you know sometimes half of the population surveyed saying they really you know did not feel the government was communicating well or clearly with now why is that jeff hof the population i mean we're talking about europe and. well it's going to be different for each country i mean we just heard in the u.k. that there are maybe as many as 60 different messages that came from the government about what to do and i realize there will be a difference as the evidence base grows but we've off often heard the politicians and even our patients different politicians within the same government saying different things and so i think where we haven't had you know this is one area

governmental agency or body or group working together we've seen a lot of confusion in the in the communication i'm going to the population and then we've also seen people capitalizing on that confusion or even exaggerating it and adding some information to that i mean i'm wondering how the lack of public buy in those it impacts your ability to do your work you know tell us how it impacts your communication with with patients your ability you know to ask them to do certain things to look after the health. he makes it very difficult i think what's lacking in a lot of government policy particularly here in the u.k. and we might have seen this done very well in places like new zealand is robust messages alongside empathy and when you get mixed messages without the empathy without the acknowledgement difficult things are people steal like they're not being listened to i think politicians are not trusted very much at the moment i'm

hoping people still do trust doctors and scientists who are still saying the same things about you know maintaining that social distance washing your hands wearing a mask all of that stuff is really really important. but yes it does make our job difficult even in that when we try and advise people certain cohorts of people often don't trust us there's a lot of mistrust around the vaccine at the moment and that is something on working really hard on and getting particularly groups from minority ethnic backgrounds to take the vaccine and we don't want this country to spill on into that where you know when that is the way out of this pandemic we need everyone on board when it comes to the vaccine at least and it looks like at least in some places don't want to overplay it but it does look like does it not young villain that in some places in europe we are seeing that spillover which a mere is you know dreading are seeing i mean the german authorities are warning of attacks against the vaccine centers now why i can understand if you want to go out

and protest against the lockdown but if you're attacking a vaccine center doesn't that suggest that you've bought into a wider bigger sort of conspiracy theory narrative about even vaccinations being some form of population control. yeah there's a lot of these suspects. out there and yeah there are some people who are also i mean always worried about the sort of many people are worried about the speed with which that's been developed there were deaths there now it's all the whole truth about what's in the facts you know what the purpose of that are and that reason for it will certainly i think if you look at the statistics there are many countries in europe and large forces of citizens hesitance or even when we say. and yeah and i think that will slowly move noakes how this information that there's only internet and conspiracy theories yet can be

a real problem and going to be on the mighty public health effects enos of them these are the moments. only to be at least that way. that we have how to spend their money so it's important that everyone takes it but it's yeah unfortunately many citizens appear to be asked and the feel of why so you know this is really concerning also for all of shoemaker's m.b.a. and scientists to address this and if this is happening and relatively one of the more democratic parts of the world what does this say jeff about faith in democratic institutions. well it's of course concerning and we're going to say is i think it's a little bit of a perfect storm so there's always been some vaccine has its n.c. and a very small minority that's completely against that scenes but they it's difficult for them to make their voice heard for now when we're asking the whole world to get vaccinated they suddenly have an audience so they're combining it with look at the

lockdown measures look at what's happening in our societies look at the politician through don't know what to do already doing things that we don't think it's right or tapping into that discontent and adding to it their own. anti vaccination perspectives and fears and concerns and turning that into probably a larger force or a movement then then it really would have been or then that it really is. and i want to come back to a point meir that you mentioned i said would come back to it later are general lockdowns really the only way to tackle this i mean there has been a variety of governmental approaches to this problem around the globe from countries that went into full kind of strict general mass lockdowns to those who are quite liberal about it and others who seem to do more targeted testing tracing approach it's a combination of all of those things or to get it right you to got it have the

lockdown measures in place it's a very blunt instrument but it will drive down border control is really important we saw that in new zealand and some of the far eastern asian countries and how robust they were tested traces vitally important we need to isolate people if they have symptoms or if they're in contact but we also need to support those people financially so that system to work and that's where a lot of that has bee has been lacking and they going forward the vaccination so it's a combination of all of those things what we've seen globe we've seen the countries act it's quicker firmer and again with empathy particularly new zealand. singapore those kind of places did really well because they they did all of that the countries that haven't done it very well the u.s. the u.k. brazil they they were slow to act we saw their leaders not really lead in the way that they should have done and now we're suffering the consequences or i think we've got about a minute and

a half left someone asked young villain this question as you look into your crystal ball. why do you think this is going to go now that there's been violence on the streets will there be a backlash against the backlash and people will say you know we're going to get these protests under control encourage more people to come out and sadly perhaps be more violent. well actually in the netherlands you already have seen this backlash against the backlash with a large number of citizens expressing. their there are all the protestors and our store so in the mall or so oh yeah well of course it's a difficult to predict the future of birds and oh yeah that this right there. why people don't also important politics the left or right but also manages a citizen organization so you have this feel of holding the future in our own future and then of course. that's my america which is that we'll you know be

a bit shaky in the next few weeks the bit unpredictable well also that there will be some issues orderly society i think the best way out this. week all respects rollouts. will do the usual more and more people actually do then we get it and then it's on. shaky and unpredictable sadly i think most of us would agree that there's a little more of that coming in our future is thank you very much has been fascinating though to pick this apart let's thank our guests thanks to young villain van priam i mean of con and geoff lazarus and thank you too for watching you can see the show again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story can also join the conversation on twitter handle there is at a.j. inside story from me sam is a band and the entire team here announced it's goodbye. i

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