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a nerve agent his lawyers will appeal his conviction hunters in the valley supporters were detained as they gathered to protest against the ruling the u.s. britain germany and the e.u. were all calling for his immediate release. have been public displays of anger against the military coup in me and mob people in the nation's biggest city young gun banging pots to protest against their withrow elected leader. she's not been moved into house arrest. scientists say a covert 1000 variant found in the u.k. has further mutated in a way that could help it if they'd vaccines to show the changes are similar to those seen in the more contagious south african and brazil variants the u.k.'s tightening measures to control the spread of new strains with more testing and tougher travel restrictions the government is also working with pharmaceutical companies to identify whether vaccines need to be modified to tackle the various.
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the u.s. has rejected a call by iran to revive the nuclear deal a spokesman said it's too early for such action and that must 1st come back into full compliance iran's foreign minister had proposed that the european union help coordinate a similar tenuous return to the agreement by both sides the u.s. left the nuclear deal in 2018 and re-impose sanctions since then iran has increased uranium enrichment levels beyond the limits set out in the agreement u.s. president joe biden has signed a series of executive orders aimed at reversing donald trump's hardline immigration policies they include the creation of a task force to reunite hundreds of children separated from their families and trumps a 0 tolerance policy that will also be a review of the asylum process at the border with mexico. so those are the headlines the news continues here on out as here after inside story. of the day with all the news on our web site al-jazeera dot com states you.
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condemnation by world leaders and growing calls for action military leaders may have seized full control of the amount but they're facing mounting pressure to get it back so what can the international community do to restore democracy in the southeast asian nations this is inside still. i. i. i. alone welcome to the program come to now it's in criticized as unacceptable mysterious blow to democracy by the un wildly this
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have been swift and condemning me and myles coup the international community is demanding democracy be restored and its calling for the release of the de facto leader aung san suu kyi and all the senior figures who have been detained by the military they all stood policy the national league of democracy once its landslide victory in elections last november recognized how is now in the hands of general min only who's appointed his own cabinet the coup leaders say the takeover is temporary and have promised elections in a year but that hasn't stopped threats of sanctions particularly by the u.s. and the u.n. security council has called for an emergency meeting on the situation on tuesday primary concern is the people of myanmar who are obviously in a state of shock there they're very afraid of what's going on what the what may go on and this is absolutely outrageous unacceptable action by by the military the people of myanmar need to know that we are with them we stand with them and we will
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act for them and with them to address this this this catastrophe they are not alone there should be strong responses from all countries and then secondly there needs to be put on the table a series of specific actions that can and should be taken and then we have to move as as strongly as we can. to see that the international community that takes those actions is going to be a challenge yes is it going to be easy no u.s. president joe biden has threatened to reimpose sanctions on myanmar that was formerly known as burma in a statement he said the international community should come together and one voice to press the bernese military to immediately relinquish the power of seized release the activists and officials that detained the united states removed sanctions on burma of the past decade based on progress toward democracy the reversal of that progress will necessitate an immediate review of our sanction laws and or thorough sees followed by appropriate action let's have a look at other countries reactions the european council president charles michel
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has condemned the military seizure of power and called for the release of those arrested british prime minister boss johnson also criticize the coup saying the vote of the people must be respected and civilian leaders released china only said it no says the events and called on all sides to respect the constitution and thailand's deputy prime minister who has close ties with the military described the coup as a domestic issue in india prime minister narendra modi an ally of un's on some cheese that his country was steadfast in supporting me in mars democratic transition thank. you. let's bring in our guests in london we have michael shani a professor and chair of asian and military history so as university of london and author of a history of modern burma in illinois is therapy tom i mean man historian and associate of professor at center for asian studies at northern illinois university
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in washington d c paul dano it's me and mark campaign leader and global witness with welcome to you all thanks for joining us here on inside story about to begin with you if i can the west is roundly. condemned the coup u.s. president biden is threatening to impose sanctions but how much leverage does the u.s. really have when it comes to be in ma and to the generals who are now in power. this is the only day 2 off the coup so the leverage as the highest at the very beginning and so i want to say that you know the international. powers stay have allowed at the very beginning because the situation is very confused and the military all the time and all it's also staged a coach is confused and discuss it so that's why they have to convince the international that they are acting according to the constitutions and they were hand over the power in one year but history again and again show asked that they
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never are honored now what's so i think at the very beginning tonight in the literature is that hires was only what's your take do you think that biden has ever dry now i mean is that his 1st big international challenges and his 1st big foreign policy challenge how do you think he's likely to respond given china's cozy relationship with me and ma and also given all of joe biden's talk about leaning on america's allies but i think that the u.s. does have some leverage. to make it clear the u.s. doesn't have the unilateral leverage it once had in p.r.c. we are pressuring u.s. boots on the other directly the pearsons compensated them or doesn't leave the u.s. so much where the u.s. does have leverage have leverage as other r.c.m. purse where you're actually going to have been possibly have some stepping back by the military is whatever pressure the u.s. can put on its allies and oziel and to put pressure there or sation on the un
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member will talk a little bit later about the role of us ian i'd like to bring you in paul dano it's what about the the european union e.u. parliament president david society says europeans are united in condemning the coup but beyond words of condemnation what can or should the european union be doing. thanks for having me so that the e.u. should be moving quickly to reimpose targeted sanctions on the military and make clear that if they don't return power to the civilian government that will move forward those actions but i think it is important that the u.s. moves forward in concert with their their partners in the e.u. the u.k. and as professor said also. because the u.s. does have limited leverage economically there's limited u.s. businesses in myanmar but there is power in concerted action i think that's where the u.s. needs to focus in addition to targeting the military economic interests as you said
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this and this is only day 2 of the coup from what we've seen so far. how the generals are acting how likely is it do you think that they are really going to listen to these international calls for a return to democracy or the kind of democracy that the country had before this. well it will be a combination of the inside of democratic forces pressure and in tennis you mention a pressure international pressure never works on its own alone because you know as mike and paul already states stated their conflict of interests among us in egypt and as u.s. so i would say the biggest pressure will come domestically people already rally today right at the doctor's from mandalay started so that disobedience movement they're not going to go to work and you know the different ministry different departments different government office as well quite similar precious so this and
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that i would like to emphasize here that you know we talk about the end all day you know taken power by the military but this is not the end of the onus on their different parties that's what i know do you want the landslide we have to keep in mind that this is or so do cracked it elections even though the government the military declared that this is and fair that's why this change that coup that all different democratic forces not just the end all say but to kill only democratic forces that was sidelined since 2011 they are come rally behind this and t. military anti could movement so this is not just an old devera says military alone on anymore this is will be all the democratic forces now united against a coup so the democrat to muster fuzziness will be the power with the highest so
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that a combination of these and turn out an extra on a precious could work marcos tell me if we look broadly at the impact this will have on the whole region when there are ethnic conflicts on the borders with china bangladesh how might what we're seeing now destabilize the region and will that spur regional powers to act what are the calculations that will be happening regionally no. oh right now this is this is going to be bad for the peace process dealing with the ethnic minorities tonight i think what foreign pit mentioned about the military having lived in the past the idea that the military has returned the country to exactly the same kind of leadership and happy for the previous episodes of military rule means that they can expect less concessions fewer concessions and and more more russian from the government in the years ahead so this will be very destabilizing for at the minorities it means really won't move very far with the repent ratio of rain right resolutions that problem i don't think there is
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a issue with regional powers are reacting because within asia japan is japan is trying to outmaneuver china they are going to take the side against the military china's not going to take sides against military thailand's going to support the military and bangladesh can't really do much it's been trying to do things but it doesn't have any kind of it can't force the issue so i don't expect you'll have a lot of regional change i think it'll make the situation in myanmar more worse in terms of a giraffe the government relations talking there about ethnic minorities the treatment of ethnic minorities paul dano it's well consents do you have about the erosion on human rights of freedom of speech of protecting potential ethnic violence in the country now that the mediterranean is fully in paul 5 and says it will be for the next year. yeah gravely concerned. the conflict will increase. there is concern that the military will take control of
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communication channels a they already did that right after the that coup cutting off communication and mobile networks in enabled are an outside of yangon so there is concern that the military will really crackdown that the armed groups will will resist that and the military will try to make advances so there's real concern that this is going to to lead to more violence and more human rights abuses and really stoke ethnic conflict there i think than when we talk about geopolitics and the reverberations of this coup we obviously cannot leave out china i mean miles neighbor it has invested billions of dollars in the in ma how do you see china responding as international calls for the release of aung san suu kyi and for the rest of restoration of democracy is those calls grow louder. i know as much interest as the the rest of the wool china actually is the 1st country to visit right off that you mention so
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in january china chinese foreign minister are came to talk to us in sudan you know mine so and actually the relationship between the nazi government and china has been wont so china has as much interest as a resume to restore democracy so this that this we cannot you know isolate and say that you know they could do you trade the that the process if it is in the un security council they could walk behind the toss aside the advantage of china is they could talk to the armed forces they need minority forces as well so china has a. rather quite a lot of leverage inside the country ok michael shaadi do you agree with that is china as interested as the rest of the world in the restoration of democracy or what is china's relationship with the military being like in myanmar. china has an interest in burma being stable that depends on how they calculate the relationships
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between different groups i would probably would say that probably therapies right they they would be better off if there was if if there was a return of they and all the government so they would they would have an investor that on the other hand china has a more cautious approach to a state or so it will be less aggressive less pushy that the united states might be . there already pursue the case they were involved negotiations between the l.t. and the military for a couple days before this before the the if that happened on monday morning so the a china is interested the concern it won't push too hard but it should be on the side of restoring the status quo paul dano it's what's your take on the role of china here. agree with both of our guests the of the guests that china has a big role to play they 'd have a very complex and historical economic relationship with men where they have a lot invested in myanmar as part of their belt and road initiative and i think
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it's actually a bigger risk for china to side with the military here there's already a lot of anti china sentiment in myanmar among civil society and community is at large and if they're seen as taking the side of the military i think it's going to make the road initiative much more challenging if there is a return to democracy in the future ok we touched on earlier i want to talk about the ring. in particular has sheltered 1000000 refugees who fled violence in me and what is this going to mean for a petri ation if it and those who are still in myanmar at a heightened risk now oh i think. i would like to say that you know the code is the violence that minorities like rule him to chantelle ran rakhine saying is also out of the cities or this of violence reached these cities through crude oil in the name of quote so they knew all the minorities have seen espinoza's
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violence you know since the start cause i civilian government came to power in 2011 so i want to emphasize that what we talk about restoring democracy we also talk about the very mechanism that is safeguarded this democracy that is the 2008 constitution so that democratic infrastructures have been built on the quagmire and lest we address that very issue actually where international community rallied to be fight and as we address that 2000 and constitution and as we can abolish it you know in minority minorities you know we'll be staying in danger are threatened and you know now they've built this city and the countryside the. time and the minorities are the same and that's because the same constitution. the power of a minute or that is what we have to recognize mr allen a what might this mean for the international press to prosecute a whole to
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a kill me and miles minute train for the atrocities committed against the right. well i think we can all it all agree that the military in the constitution is the problem we disagree on on sense of cheese general d. and that all these culpability in defending what happened with the renga and that but what i think we might also agree on is that that whole issue it has hurt on sun city's credibility whether they agree with her or not that it is hurt her. reputation is international human rights icon it has hurt her reputation regarding her support of democracy so i think it will be there there will be. the you can build a national coalition but it won't be quite as strong as it might have been in the night she ninety's and early 2000 speak for the suspicion of the government because of the rig a ship pulled out oh it's beyond economic sanctions what else could the international
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community be doing i mean would. would that make a difference. yeah global arms embargo would be a good good 1st step. and the un security council as you know it is is meeting today to discuss myanmar under the u.k. chairmanship so we are definitely supporting an arms embargo i think there are other things that the international community can do i think one is speaking in one voice to say that this is not acceptable that the military needs to release the political the political detainees needs to restore the parliament and needs to reinstate the rule of law and otherwise i think that there are there are things that the international committee can do in terms of the business community in terms of social media ensuring that for example facebook does not allow the military to use its platform to promote its itself and in its activities there have been calls for that as well that if you. just following on from that according to the world bank singapore was the largest direct foreign investment hong kong was 2nd so how
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might the coup impact direct foreign investment in me in ma and who stands to lose the most. just like always saying there are 2 things right the same all cock sanctions but no technology has a very quick repercussions against the military so i think it is one thing that international community can pressure right away because. after 2017 the crisis in europe the facebook and a lot of military accounts and they have to migrate to russian servers right so you know that also a lot of people are inside a warrant that note that this information campaign war started by the military right to instigate milans and also to crush you know the now the margin
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disobedience movement so this this is the very quick action the international community to take the sanctions have very limited. effect stops for me i can stick i can not stay open a bank account you know at a nearby city in the u.s. you know because i might citizenship status there actually stay in effect they are not. lifted so and that sense that it would be there would be a limit to. you know consequence. michael. the u.n. special repertory meanwhile was actually on this program yesterday saying that the military needs to hear the international community will not sit idly by and let this happen but what can it do the decay in the context of the un security council i mean will china and russia just look to shield the generals of me and not. well you know i don't think that you'll see action from the security council the
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russians and and the peer simply cut a will veto any and the clock to that will translate to action there the only thing i think that the biggest leverage the biggest thing the international community can do is do things like freeze the bank accounts of generals and their families put pressure on companies really do but on countries really do banking targeted sanctions against individuals these kinds of things work because the underlying rules of this game is that a minimum one wanted to secure the his own like his own about future other generals want to secure the futures of their families are heavily involved in the company china has a lot of investment in the studio because it wants one but one road is much earlier to to work so that whatever you can do to influence the directly hit the leaders directly hit the policymakers their families this kind of thing that's going to have the pigs effect there a bit and what is the association of southeast asian nations are likely to do here what other regional calculations. i see and that have been
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saying that this is a ton of offense right and we have to remember that time i sell the cool in 2014 and biden and ministration sad you know they share and they interest in indo-pacific so they offer to cooperate so you know as time goes on that the violence that could has been normalised rise that it has what i wore it is what the international community do i mean in the immediate aftermath of the coordinates making sure that you know the. civil movements will not be crushed i'm real large that now there will be real blood on the streets because the tanks have been circulating in front of my mom's house you know in mentally everywhere this is a real physical threat that every citizen is facing right now paul dano it's the military's power even as the country was apparently moving toward democracy it's been on display for a very long time. and its power was enshrined in the 2008 constitution crafted by
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the military which provided a legal channel didn't it for the military to reimpose direct military role so is it fair for all of this outrage to be happening now from the international community when one could say the writing has been on the wall for a very long time. well that's true that the constitution section 417418 has given to provide an avenue for this this action that being said this is obviously an action against the will of the people of myanmar against the over 83 percent of people who voted for the n l d in the last election so i don't think that we can say that this is a purely legal move by the military and i do have to say that you know i want to emphasize that the grave threat that civil society and the people of myanmar are under right now we have colleagues who are in hiding we have you know as you mentioned there are tanks on the streets. just called whore for people to come out
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and to resist the the military 'd so there's a real danger here that based on past experiences that we could see see bloodshed in violence so i think there's a responsibility i'm part of the international community on the part of china and other neighbors so to really call for the military to exercise restraint and to to abide by the rule of law here we are nearing the end of the program very quickly michael sonnie i could see you nodding there i want to end with putting that same question to you was the writing on the wall and me and. we have a disagreement about this because i do think it was in the readiness of the wall and i think that india. has some responsibility for not having none of this is what's great about this but have some responsibility for accepting that constitution. the thing that worries be the most thing that worries me is not snows as the bennetts lights in all countries for the next 4 or 5 months so until end of the end of may so we don't know what's going to happen to civil society groups and
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leaders and that kind of thing on the ground so that's what we're. a big thank you to all of our guess we have to leave there for time michael shandy therapy dan and paul dano it's we appreciate it and thank you too for watch and you can see the program again any time by visiting our website is there at dot com and for further discussion you can go to our facebook page facebook dot com ford stache a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a.j. inside story for me can you tell the whole team here about how. i.
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