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clinic's. had 24 years old and a little bit says having a criminal record has kept her from finding steady work or returning to school. and his criminal case remains open in the honduran court system if convicted she faces a sentence of 3 to 6 years in prison for the quote interruption of life after the moment of conception mr apple al-jazeera. it's good to have you with us hello adrian forget here in doha the headlines and i was there are people living in manaus largest city applying to pots and pans from windows overnight in protest against the coup medical workers from 30 towns have gone on strike but ousted leader aung san suu kyi remains on house arrest early fall reports now from the angle there's been a whole will people working for the government organizations. join
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a campaign of civil disobedience so essentially it's a form of strike they are. using to do that what under the military will they were using to work directly for the military and so we've seen that there's a call for it across all governments organizations all civil servants we've seen calls from the youth a young gun youth network which is an activist group that where it's had the most impact and the thing that everyone's talking about the most is in the hospitals there are 17 hospitals and medical clinics that have reportedly signed up to today campaign for civil disobedience a group of opposition parties need peace to grey region says the ball and 50000 civilians have been killed in the conflict between regional separatists and the ethiopian army it's not clear what the estimate is based on the government as previously said the federal forces have been killed any civilians. inspectors from the world health organization
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a visit to the varanasi verona ji institute in the chinese city of who han where the corona virus was 1st identified the team is investigating the origins of coke at 19. dollars 4800 people are reported to get arrested in protest against a court decision to send russian opposition leader alexina volley back to prison the court says that he violated the probation terms of an earlier conviction while recovering in germany from a near fatal poisoning spent more than 2 years behind bars and us president joe biden aside a series of executive orders aimed at reversing donald trump's immigration policies they include the creation of a task force to reunite hundreds of children who've been separated from their families under trump's 0 tolerance policy and those are the headlines with the war you see here on al-jazeera after today's edition of inside story next. and it killed our. children you.
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know. 'd some. who will keep. it to us you. will know for how can you do enough. to learn on your mountain where you can even. condemnation by world leaders and growing calls for action military leaders may have seized full control of the amount but they're facing mounting pressure to cut it back so what can the international community do to restore democracy in the southeast and should mention this is unfounded still. i. i. i. although malcolm to the program came to know it's in criticized as
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unacceptable mysterious blow to democracy by the un wildly this have been swift and condemning me and myles coup the international community is demanding democracy be restored and it's calling for the release of the de facto leader aung san suu kyi and all the senior figures who have been detained by the military they all stood policy the national league of democracies once its landslide victory in elections last november recognized how is now in the hands of general min only who's appointed his own cabinet the coup leaders say the takeover is temporary and have promised elections in a year but that hasn't stopped threats of sanctions particularly by the u.s. and the u.n. security council has called for an emergency meeting on the situation on tuesday primary concern is the people of myanmar who are obviously in a state of shock there they're very afraid of what's going on what the what may go on and this is absolutely outrageous unacceptable action by by the military the
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people of myanmar need to know that we are with them we stand with them and we will act for them and with them to address this this this catastrophe they are not alone there should be strong responses from all countries and then secondly there needs to be put on the table a series of specific actions that can and should be taken and then we have to move as as strongly as we. karen a to see that the international community that takes those actions is going to be a challenge yes is it going to be easy no u.s. president joe biden has threatened to reimpose sanctions on myanmar that was formerly known as burma in a statement he said the international community should come together and one voice to press the bernese military to immediately relinquish the power they've seized release the activists and officials that detained the united states removed sanctions on burma of the past decade based on progress toward democracy the reversal of that progress will assess aetate an immediate review of our sanction
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laws and or thorazine followed by appropriate action let's have a look at other countries' reactions the european council president charles michel has condemned the military seizure of power and called for the release of those arrested british prime minister boss johnson also criticize the coup saying the vote of the people must be respected and civilian leaders released china only said it no says the events and called on all sides to respect the constitution and thailand's deputy prime minister who has close ties with the military describe the coup as a domestic issue in india prime minister narendra modi an ally of un's on some cheese said his country was steadfast in supporting me in miles democratic transition. i. let's bring in our guests in london we have michael shani a professor and chair of asian and military history so as university of london and author of a history of modern burma in illinois is therapy tom i mean man historian and
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associate professor at center for asian studies at northern illinois university in washington d c paul dano it's me and mark campaign leader and global witness with welcome to you all thanks for joining us here on inside story about to begin with you if i can the west is roundly. condemned the coup u.s. president biden is threatening to impose sanctions but how much leverage does the u.s. really have when it comes to be in ma and to the generals who are now in power. this is the only day 2 off the coup so the leverage is the highest at the very beginning and so i want to say that you know the international. powers stay have allowed at the very beginning because the suggestion is very confusing the military all the time and all it's also staged a coach is confused and discuss it so that's why they have to convince the
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international that they are acting according to the constitutions and they were hand over the power in one year but history again and again show asked that they never are honored now warts so i think at the very beginning tonight in the literature is that hires was only what's your take do you think that biden has leverage right now i mean is that his 1st big international challenges and his 1st big foreign policy challenge how do you think he's likely to respond given china's cozy relationship with me and ma and also given all of joe biden's talk about leaning on america's allies but i think that the u.s. does have some leverage. to make it clear the u.s. doesn't have the unilateral leverage it once had in p.r.c. we are pressuring u.s. boots on the other directly the pearsons compensated number doesn't leave the u.s. so much where the u.s. does have leverage have leverage is in other arsenal purse and where you're
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actually going to have been possibly have some stepping back by the military is whatever pressure the u.s. can put on its allies and oziel and to put pressure there or sation on the un member we'll talk a little bit later about the role of us ian i'd like to bring you in paul dano it's what about the the european union e.u. parliament president david society says europeans are united in condemning the coup but beyond words of condemnation what can or should the european union be doing. thanks for having me so that the e.u. should be moving quickly to reimpose targeted sanctions on the military and make clear that if they don't return power to the civilian government that will move forward those actions but i think it is important that the u.s. moves forward in concert with their their partners in the e.u. the u.k. and as professor said also. because the u.s. does have limited leverage economically there's limited u.s.
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businesses in myanmar but there is power in concerted action i think that's where the u.s. needs to focus in addition to targeting the military economic interests as you said this and this is only day 2 of the coup from what we've seen so far. how the generals are acting how likely is it do you think that they are really going to listen to these international calls for a return to democracy or the kind of democracy that the country had before disk. well it will be a combination of the inside democratic forces pressure and the intended mention of pressure international pressure never works on its own alone because you know as mike and paul already states stated their conflict of interests among us in egypt and as us so i would say the biggest pressure will come domestically people are already rally today right at the doctors from mandalay started so that
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disobedience movement they're not going to go to work and you know the different ministry different departments different government office as well quite similar precious so this and that i would like to emphasize here that you know we talk about the end all day you know taken power by the military but this is not the end of the onus on their different parties i thought and i'll do you want the landslide we have to keep in mind that this is or so do more cracked it elections even though the government the military declared that this is and fair that's why this change that coup that all different democratic forces not just the end all say but to kill only democratic forces that was sidelined since 2011 they are come rally behind this entity military anti could movement so this is not just an old devera says military alone on anymore this is will be all the
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democratic forces now united against a coup so the democrat to muster fuzziness will be the power with the highest so that a combination of these and turn out an extra on a precious could work marcos tell me if we look broadly at the impact this will have on the whole region when there are ethnic conflicts on the borders with china bangladesh how might what we're seeing now destabilize the region and will that spur regional powers to act what are the calculations that will be happening regionally no. well right now this is this is going to be bad for the peace process dealing with the ethnic minorities tonight i think what foreign pit mentioned about the military having lived in the past the idea that the military has returned the country to exactly the same kind of leadership that happy for the previous episodes of military rule means that they can expect less concessions fewer concessions and and more more russian from the government in the years ahead so this will be very
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destabilizing for at the minorities it means really won't move very far with the repent ratio of rain right resolutions that problem i don't think there is a issue with regional powers are reacting because within asia japan is japan is trying to outmaneuver china they are going to take the side against the military china's not going to take sides against military thailand's going to support the military and bangladesh can't really do much it's been trying to do things but it doesn't have any kind of it can't force the issue so i don't expect you'll have a lot of regional change i think it'll make the situation in myanmar more worse in terms of a giraffe a government relations talking there about ethnic minorities the treatment of ethnic minorities paul dano it's well consents do you have about the the erosion of human rights and freedom of speech show of protecting potential ethnic violence in the country now that the mediterranean is is fully in paul 5 and says it will be
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for the next year. yeah gravely concerned. the conflict will increase. there is concern that the military will take control of communication channels a they already did that right after the that coup cutting off communication mobile networks in in they put on outside of yangon so there's concern that the military will really crackdown that the armed groups will will resist that and the military will try to make advances so there's real concern that this is going to to lead to more violence and more human rights abuses and really stoke ethnic conflict therapy than when we talk about geopolitics and the reverberations of this coup we obviously cannot leave out china i mean miles neighbor it has invested billions of dollars in the in ma how do you see china responding as international calls for the release of aung san suu kyi and for the rest of restoration of democracy is those calls grow louder. i know as much interest as the the rest of the wool china
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actually is the 1st country to visit right off that you mention so in january china chinese foreign minister are came to talk to us in sudan you know mine so and actually the relationship between the nazi government and china has been wont so china has as much interest as a resume to restore democracy so this that this we cannot you know isolate and say that you know they could do you trade the that the process if it is in the un security council they could walk behind the toss all the advantage of china as they could talk to the armed forces they need minority forces as well so china has a. rather quite a lot of leverage inside the country ok michael shaadi do you agree with that is china as interested as the rest of the world in the restoration of democracy or
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what is china's relationship with the military being like in myanmar. china has an interest in burma being stable that depends on how they calculate the relationships between different groups i would probably would say that probably therapies right they they would be better off if there was if if there was a return that they had all the government so they would they would have an investor that on the other hand china has a more cautious approach to a state or so it will be less aggressive less pushy that the united states might be . there already pursue the case they were involved negotiations between the elderly and the military for a couple days before this before the the if that happened on monday morning so the a china is interested the concern it won't push too hard but it should be on the side of restoring the status quo paul dano it's what's your take on the role of china here. agree with both of our guests the of the guests that china has
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a big role to play they have a very complex and historical economic relationship with men where they have a lot invested in myanmar as part of their belt and road initiative and i think it's actually a bigger risk for china to side with the military here there's already a lot of anti china sentiment in myanmar among civil society and community is at large and if they're seen as taking the side of the military i think it's going to make the right initiative much more challenging if there is a return to democracy in the future ok we touched on a earlier i want to talk about the rigging. bangladesh in particular has sheltered 1000000 refugees who fled violence in me and what is this going to mean for a petri ation if it's and those who are still in myanmar at a heightened risk now oh i think. i would like to say that you know the code is the violence that minorities like rule him to chantelle ran rakhine
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state is outside of the cities or does the violence reach these cities through coote all in the name of quote so they do all the minorities have seen a spirit as this violence you know since the cause i civilian government into power in 2011 i want to emphasize that what we talk about restoring democracy we also talk about the very mechanism that is safeguard in this democracy that is the 2008 constitution so that democratic infrastructures have been built on the quagmire and lest we address that very issue actually where international community rallied to be fight and as we address that 2000 and constitution and as we can abolish it you know in minority minorities you know will be staying in danger are threatened and you'll now they've built this city and the countryside the. time and the minorities are the same and that's right because the same constitution. the power of
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a military so that is what we have to recognize mr sonnie what might this mean for the international pressure to prosecute a hole to a kill me and miles minute train for the atrocities committed against the right. but i think we can all it all agree that the military in the constitution is the problem we disagree on on sense of cheese general d. and that all these culpability in defending what happened with the renga and that but what i think we might also agree on is that that whole issue it has hurt on sun city's credibility whether they agree with her or not that it is her her. reputation as international human rights icon it has hurt her reputation regarding her support of democracy so i think it will be there there will be. the you can build a national coalition but it won't be quite as strong as it might have been in the night she ninety's and early 2000 speech for the station government because of the
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reggae ship pulled out oh it's beyond economic sanctions what else could the international community be doing i mean what. would that make a difference. yeah global arms embargo would be a good good 1st step. and the u.n. security council as you know it is is meeting today to discuss myanmar under the u.k. chairmanship so we are definitely supporting an arms embargo i think there are other things that the international community can do i think one is speaking in one voice to say that this is not acceptable that the military needs to release the political the political detainees needs to restore the parliament and needs to reinstate the rule of law and otherwise i think that there are there are things that the international can do in terms of the business community in terms of social media ensuring that for example facebook does not allow the military to use its platform to promote its itself in its activities there have been calls for that as well that
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if you. just following on from that according to the world bank singapore was the largest direct foreign investor and me in my home kong was 2nd so how might the coup impact direct foreign investment in me and who stands to lose the most. just like always saying there are 2 things right the same ole coc sanctions but no technology has a very quick repercussions against the military so i think it is one thing that international community can pressure right away because. after 2017 the crisis in europe the facebook and a lot of military accounts and they have to migrate to russian servers rise so you know that also a lot of people are inside a warrant that note that this information campaign war started by the military
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right to instigate milans and also to crush you know the now the margin of disobedience movement so this this is the very quick action the international community to take the sanctions are very limited consider the effects of for me i can stick i can not stay open a bank account you know at a nearby city in the us you know our because our mind citizenship status there actually stay in effect they are not. lifted so and that sense that it would be there would be a limit to. you know consequence. michael. the u.n. special repertory meanwhile was actually on this program yesterday saying that the military needs to hear the international community will not sit idly by and let this happen but what can it do the decay in the context of the un security council
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i mean will china and russia just look to shield the generals of me and not. well you know i don't think that you'll see action from the security council the russian and and the peer simply cut a will veto any and the clock to that will translate to action there the only thing i think that the biggest leverage the biggest thing the international community can do is do things like freeze the bank accounts of generals and their families put pressure on companies when they do but countries really do banking targeted sanctions against individuals these kinds of things work because the underlying rules of this game is that a minimum line want to secure the his own neck his own economic future other generals want to secure the futures of their families are heavily involved in the commie china has a lot of investment in the stew because it wants one but one road is much earlier to to work so that whatever you can do to influence the directly hit the leaders directly hit the policymakers their families this kind of thing that's going to
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have the biggest effect there but then what if they association of southeast asian nations are likely to do what other regional calculations. r.c.m. not have been saying that this is the entire offense right and we have to remember that time to sell her the coup in 2014 and biden administration sat you know they shared their interest into pacific so they offered to cooperate so you know as time goes on and that the violence the coup has been normalized rice that is what i'm war it is what the international community do and be in the immediate aftermath of the could is making sure that you know the. civil movements will not be crushed i'm real large that now there will be real blood on the streets because the details have been circulated now in front of my mom's house you know in mentally everywhere so this is a real physical threat that every citizen is facing right now paul dano it's the
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military's power even as the country was apparently moving toward democracy it's been on display for a very long time. and its power was enshrined in the 2008 constitution crafted by the military which provided a legal channel didn't it for the military to reimpose direct military role so is it fair for all of this outrage to be happening now from the international community when one could say the writing has been on the wall for a very long time. well that's true that the constitution section $417.41 to give to provide an avenue for this this action that being said this is obviously an action against the will of the people of myanmar against the over 83 percent of people who voted for the n l d in the last election so i don't think that we can say that this is a purely legal move by the 'd military and i do have to say that you know i want to emphasize that the grave threat that civil society and the people of myanmar are
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under right now we have colleagues who are in hiding we have you know as you mentioned there are tanks on the streets. just called whore for people to come out and to resist the the military so there's a real danger here that based on past experiences that we could see see bloodshed in violence so i think there's a responsibility i'm part of the international community on the part of china and other neighbors so to really call for the military to exercise restraint and to to abide by the rule of law here we are nearing the end of the program very quickly michael sonnie i could see you nodding there i want to end with putting that same question to you was the writing on the wall and me and. we have a disagreement about this because i do think it was on the wall of readiness of the wall and i think that india. has some responsibility for not having enough of this what's great about this but have some responsibility for accepting that constitution. the thing that worries be the most thing that worries me is not
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snow's as the bennetts lights in the future for the next 4 or 5 months so until end of the end of may so we don't know what's going to happen to civil society groups and leaders and that kind of thing on the ground so that's what worries me. a big thank you to all about guess we have to leave there for time michael sandy therapy and paul dano it's we appreciate it and thank you too for watch and you can see the program again any time by visiting our website is there at dot com and for further discussion you can go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com ford stash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a.j. inside story for me can you tell the whole team here about how. i. that the tourist terraces of
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