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plants and rare species of animals thrived in this environment because it is so inhospitable to humans but climate change is changing. this is what is to come environmentalist if we don't do enough to stop the pollution and clean up our oceans. nicholas hawk al-jazeera the delta senegal. hello this is al jazeera everyone from going with you here in doha the headlines this hour u.s. president joe biden says that he's ending american support for the saudi led war in yemen including a ban on the sale of specific weapons saudi arabia has responded by saying it supports a political solution. also says the days of the u.s. rolling over to russian aggression are over he called for the immediate release of jailed opposition figure alexina valmy without conditions the kremlin spokesman
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called his comments very aggressive rhetoric alexander got far reports from moscow . negative that the spokesperson of the russian president president wondered what it meant it was called said that this is aggressive and constructional rhetorical he said that russia is not going to accept any alternate m overtones and it's not going to be mentored now this goes in line what they have been saying in response to similar calls before and that is they're not going to accept meddling in what they call their domestic affairs and that they're not going to accept being lectured because this is how the seeds they're saying this case about nonviolent is about the russian law it's a criminal case it is not a political case and thus other countries should basically mind their own business the european union's foreign policy chief was also appealed from the vileness release during a meeting with russia's foreign minister in moscow your suborder all met with
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sergei lavrov the 1st high level e.u. visit to russia since 2017 borel says the talks were intense and frank delegates in libya's transition talks were voting to select a new interim government that's the final day of the u.n. led libyan political dialogue forum in switzerland hong kong has issued sweeping new rules for schools to teach children as young as 6 to obey the national security law imposed by mainland china included will be education about tough penalties for anti-government offenses there are protests in me among neighboring countries as people continue to push back against a military coup there are those the headlines the news continues here on out of syria after inside story next.
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being called on to steer is really out of the pandemic and a severe economic recession. is expected to form a nonpolitical government attacks that it will the former president of the european central bank get the support. this is inside still. hello welcome to the program italy has been facing a political crisis since its coalition government collapsed last week the nation is struggling with an economic recession that's been made worse by the global pandemic president. has now stepped in to limit the damage by naming a new prime minister he says he wants to avoid snap elections that has picked
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a former european central bank chief for the top job. is expected to form a government of specialists to confront challenges he's been credited for saving the euro during the continent's debt crisis in 2012 but duggie has said he needs the backing of the majority of parties in palm and to implement his plans. in light of this crisis the situation needs to be met with equal action with this hope and dedication except the call of the president to beat the pandemic to vaccinate our population to offer solutions to everyday problems of italians and to relaunch the country of the challenges we face. let's take a closer look at what led to its league's political and economic crisis on january 14th former prime minister renzi pulled his party's support for just if it contains coalition government and it is against his plan to spend $240000000000.00 in funds and loans to help recover the economy the move robbed of his majority in parliament
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and forced him to step down before the end of the month he was given a week to prevent the coalition that failed italy is reported to more coronavirus deaths than any other e.u. member with its toll now approaching 90000 and even before the pandemic struck its economy was heading into recession its gross domestic product fell 8.8 percent last year and nearly 450000 jobs were lost thanks. well it's time to bring in our guests they're all joining us from rome today for mia soccer is professor of political sociology at university both took us television is political analyst and professor of communication business school and eleanor poly is a political scientist and senior fellow at the institute for international affairs a very warm welcome to you all thank you for joining us here on inside story about to begin with you from india saka what are the challenges that darky faces in
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attempting to form a national unity government. ah good question i have to say easily of course and it's quite difficult to predict anything. assayas clients and sons but i decided just to say not to such curriculum assessments not as. many you know fish ations worldwide snows or any city so i believe that's for the time being there is a well that. amongst the areas that is to try not to make it doesn't mean that it will have a start he will have a strong support but it means that for example sabinus evening will probably not object to his government that makes things a little easier for him at the time thinks what could change is eating of course. what's your take do you think that rocky will have the numbers i want him to have
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it he will find the numbers in the end because no one of the parties who are now sitting in parliament wants really to go to elections at the moment in the end if you will not find a numbers president said joe mutter and i will be forced to call for snap elections but this is what everybody seems to be. not eager to do all of the people think to be to be eager to avoid the elections now it will be a bumpy choppy road ahead for drag the because he's an excellent banker he's an excellent politicians also he's a great negotiator do not underestimate his political clout and he's tremendous network of relationships hold over the world but in any case his pacing you know hard life politicians of italy were very you know sometimes the behind behave like rascals they put the arena on turmoil and then they wait for you permission it will be a war of nerves but i think it will succeed in the end mr castro reckitt before i move
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on i just want to pick up on a point you said you said nobody wants to go to elections or people don't want to go to elections why is that. because by electoral reform the number of seats in the parliament has been restricted by 40 percent so many of the people who are in the parliament are very sure that they will never be re-elected for a 2nd monday this is why they try to protect as much as they can their post sorry for being so cynical and skeptical but sometimes a personal interest seems to prevail seem to prevail on the general interest and then people don't want to go to elections because the cold with prizes as the country through terrible constrains and going to elections now is a risky under many respects the economy krises the many people dying every day the medical supplies coming to eat to leave the they need to be managed continue 80 and the electoral campaign will disrupt and this continue that would be very dangerous in the eyes of many many commentators are not up early i'd like to bring you in
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talk me through what you think the reasons are why the president has chosen docky is it his economic experience is it about having someone with a high profile or or is it perhaps both of those things. i think it's both and it seemed it was an accident such artists in the sense that the one had to drag yes they're sort of leadership of a very deadly arc of this up is fragile and on the other hand is a respected member are what was called the european establishment star will enjoy the trust of other european governments to shoes but i mean what however we left thinks of what are the arts because even the magnets say they were some that it was there to to to not to say the result we left to be prompted with what are the proper use forces within you know the time in play to laugh which is on the one hand the 5 star movement and on the other this week so even the hair who've had to
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fight compromises with these forces in order to have the beauty. of war and to be very evil is just picking up on that point i mean the us aka how have politicians so far responded to the idea of a technocratic government and why exactly is it that the sort of more right wing populist parties are not so interested in that idea. the i'm not so sure that they're not so interested in that lady you know what's happening now is that the 5 star movement who has a large number of us in the parliamentary at the moment has such fast sage that he will not back out a technical government of course that we're trying to keep contest for a tranny. in his job that is what. their position has started to change a little bit but at the beginning they said no technical government we're back at kong we're not going to search for that. and that was just yesterday today
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they started opening up a little less started to say ok maybe we could in the end for to put that out but it has to be a political government. leak i think is playing an intelligent role for once they see that this situation has become difficult from the former coalition aren't to fear because the 5 star movement is not so certain they want to back out this new government so they said ok we're not going to set to a new government so we will not say no of course that is such a high profile we cannot say no say let's see what he has to what he proposes and. we might even not vote against it ok. take us over care what can mr duggie learn from past technocratic prime ministers this is not the 1st time
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that if only has seen a technocratic lead. well i think that mr draggy has sold up psychological and technical tools not to repeat some mistakes which have already been done by a so-called technical prime minister's his compassion aide so he will try to ensure social security and to keep unemployment rates not growing too much because they the as you mentioned as you mentioned before we have a dramatic surge in unemployment and jobs lost so he will be trying to somehow give some subsidy to the unemployed but at the same time he will try to be negotiating more with defile a tickle fight this is an excellent negotiator repeated during his years at the e.c.b. is been negotiating with prime ministers with presidents of the central banks i remember his epic clashes with ends by a man who was at the time the president of the one disband the german central bank
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so he's quite his quite good in negotiation and he will not repeat the mistake of you know seeming or looking too cold too technical too upright he will be trying to get down into the orana and trackage to make his way which is indeed very difficult but it's not impossible given the extremely high profile personality he's got from in the us some rating this as a triumph for. who is able to bring down the governing coalition on st do you agree he's that's one of his main talents he's very good at just trying to innocence and that's. the day that we are witnessing egypt and somehow it's a chance to see if they manage. government that it's not too in china to fall ill. like you know there are leaks for example and i think he will if he can call it
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a success if they will have to. find great compromise with right wing and this. is what counts as a. democratic leader not evidence about the cost of that care i think everyone is agree in agreement that darky has a great c.v. he's got the background but he is an economist right how could do you think he has to deal with the health crisis facing italy right now at last count more than 88000 deaths from the coronavirus pandemic is he equipped to deal with that. well he will be able to choose the infrastructural investments that the medical system needs and as this respect is perfectly able to understand that we need more capital it he more infrastructure more beds for the people who are ill for the elders and his able to be an excellent programmer of the economy on the other hand he will have to
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pick very carefully the held experts for the ministry of health which is indeed run quite well in the moment one hypothesis we heard in last hours is that he could maybe confirm some people on the stop there at the ministry and also disappear instead of help which is the i.s.a.'s which is conducting better very serious actions concerning the crisis but he will have he will be able to ensure economic and infrastructural support which is badly needed in the tele for our medical infrastructure so i'm not so pessimistic i think he can do that with the proper support by high technical figures and i know. it seems that it's only has a long term issue with political stability a guy guess you could call it a high political turnover why is that. i think the problem has to be there and it was a populist rhetoric which has been done by traditional nontraditional markets in the last years so during and after a complete split evenly there tent problems
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a lot and then they're not able to believe that that's why we have a lot of use high turnout of armaments and it is also a lot of heat at the gate even within the parliament and it was also related to. the right of us factors is we need the you want the europeans in the sense that the european union has been used in the past year as a scapegoat or they believe those failures that you know governments of divine will not be able to talk to them this is i think the main reason we hang behind this and the situation. and i think that what that will have to face is not the pure work of compact government at this point but he left to serve the food some political elements in order to be able to have a majority of iraqis and govern the country out of these credits which is not just absolutely a crisis but she is it's a song and the long fight is 1st of all for me saca i want to get your take on that
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do you agree with ellen orders take on the why there's been such political instability in italy the out there of it you know the populist sentiments having an impact on that the popular sentiment has to score especially this is a long tradition in italy written just think of the recent years i think the tradition initially has been based on a different electoral system that has granted in our political culture. a smaller and cyrus lot of very nominal minority parent groups and need to be represented in parliament and that's you know a structured political culture that's still lives on even if the electoral laws have changed and i think chris suffer from that. of course the terrorists leader's interest in tears have you know had to equate in the political life of this country
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the a.t.f. also promoting that if the government is you know elected and does in all its rights to go back if they hold say something different because the political you know our sentiment has changed can change then they promote that we need to go through another election or for a different government and i think this is the most recent trend but i think it comes from far away from a different political culture based on a different electoral law and system over took us over care misted argue is technical pretty assesses i read on average lasted one year and 4 months do you think mr duckie will do better how do you see this playing out longer term. well i think that mr drug's intention is not to last more than that because i think it will be enough to restore italy's past to work for asperity it is able to do the
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right investments and to manage the right processes and also because in a debtor a few months from now less than 2 years we will have the elections for depression of the time the republic where the money that i get definitely seems to be to morrow the most credible candidate so the ideal thing for many many observers and for many many of druggists supporters would be to have dragged for a couple of years in office as prime minister and then to vote fam as a sled say the guardian of the tally and constitutional process as the new president of the town a republic which would ensure him 7 more years in office and a good and a good position to where look at politics from you know a higher position so i think to be there not for more just for 2 years is the ideal time elapsed to ensure that he is firmly in office and then we will see eleanor. when he when he gave a spate of this announcement from the president said he hopes for unity from
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political forces but also from society at large how do every day italians feel about all of this political upheaval. well there they haven't the situation is that of course italians are quite worried about the river set. and they look at is an aspect a way to live suspiciously in the sense that no one was just expecting it is going to fall especially because one of crimea's that quality work condo was having. enjoying. that in march last year yet around 70 percent are the popular support we just because they are still quite hot and so of course on the one hand you tell us what's. wrong with it that's cheaper and we expect he's able to leave easily our crises. but on the other. there is also a part of that open society which saskin for elections because they believe that
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the ready to put this government was not elected it was as it was for there in. a new coalition little armament and so there is also its huge battle zones which are asking for a new what i mean which will be a privately government that by only then are you going to have a lecture tomorrow and say. the votes are cast italy has a lot of debts and has had chronic low growth why has its product of a t. been so sluggish for so long. well because many many politicians of the previous generations a chosen social consensus over social conversation because they're not being well most of all because the state expenses event concentrated on subsidies more than investments you know that he if you invest in building roads infrastructure technology schools harbors and whatever makes it more than a country make
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a jump into the future you will have a return in terms of employment prosperity incomes if you just invent in subsidies it subsidies and subsidies you lose money you rise public debt maybe you keep people calm because you just keep on you know printing currency printing cash but in the end now we have wood to cope with krises at the kitchen we have something like 17172 percent of public debt which is almost unbearable disli withing that madea drive his program of sound investment not just subsidy could be somehow the only way to invert this invert this trend and to recover some 1st bury for the future from in the us the last technocrat mario monti helped improve it things ranking on the bond market but then they were austerity messes and do you think those maybe khaled's italians perceptions of feelings towards another technocratic
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government to a technocratic leader and has that been a factor in the rise of populism. that is a problem some people have started to say we don't need to not want. and of course they stink that's not good that he could be a technical. sort of scum that will fund that on the other hand i think that. yesterday he was strikes and say that we should not underestimate his political. and also his empathy and compassion i think he has a you know larry clearly that he has to manage the social problems and the political problems as well as the economic ones and that's something that he has already made clear yesterday in his 1st speech you know to the country to the nation and i think that also the newspapers are starting to depict him in that way not only as a dry technique or economic management but also costs and that has created
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the problems he can see them create so that that risk is going to be reduced pretty soon eleanor pollie how did it fairly get to this point. today konami completely clueless eckel politically speaking politically well i think they each show or was rated to the right as i said before the right apocalypse is not related to the last year is not just related to the rise of the facts that will meant or live that it is a traditional use of populist rhetoric by even the provision of parkinson hopes up and going and going on you know from i think more than what can be achieved and try to use populist propaganda to achieve more senses that is why we are finding our sense of the cost of situation our instability and quality of sound which is you
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know why things are especially have a chorus of question with a lot is at stake well is it going that this family and the grounds for going to the suit from the european union or are it bubbled to the marchant lamb are possible before. i think. there's been a lack of sense of responsibility from some minority part is. i believe you know the don't the p. has got and was operating the you know this best. you know are some indonesians. at this point as to that my view that it will be the best our option for the future of the family just considering that having elections would be quite risky because of the fund any of them because we have to be able to. to to to present a current plan by the end of the people. other to cast on their care a something we haven't touched on is how all of these developments are going to are likely to be viewed by the european union what do you think the e.u.
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is seen when it looks at italy now. well the european union now of course is worrying about the timing because time is running out i think we should be ready for april maximum may to present a credible plan of investments for the recovery plan and many other subsidies which are you know going to a pub be par into into the talian system and i think that mario drive this figure if he succeeds forming a government will be a government before all the european union leaders that somebody is managing the process well otherwise the turmoil could become a very dangerous a very dangerous land and it will make the situation of italy bad because the public debt and the outer bad indicators would make it to either this position into the european union unsustainable so i think that mitt mario draghi is figure is a is a sort of a of a guardian figure that they see as a guardian angel of our economy and they are looking at this experiment with
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a lot of attention and a lot of consideration so very quickly for you from the political parties want to be a government what do you think the leadership is going to end up looking like political technocrats or both i think you will have to be somewhat. cannot just technical it is compliments need. and they need their wants some political you know under the sentence to be. that's . it's all going to come claire in the coming days and weeks thank you very much to all of our guests from india. and i don't know what a poet. i thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com and to further discussion you can go to our facebook page facebook dot com ford slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a.j.
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