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last 2nd day since they declared martial law in yangon and around on part of the country but it doesn't seem to prefer the protesters we've seen that just as many numbers if not more coming out today and yesterday and depending on the area you go to rhyme the atmosphere is very different you can see behind me here it's near the end of the day still quite a few people milling around in this area the central mini of the city well it's an area soon a central dining time almost the festival atmosphere. rescuers in india are racing against time to reach dozens of workers trapped in a tunnel the area flooded after it collapsed washing away dams roads and houses 32 people have died and about 190 missing. the u.s. senate voted to move forward with the 2nd impeachment trial of former president donald trump house impeachment managers rejected the defense argument that it's
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unconstitutional to prosecute a president after leaving office the european commission president has expressed regret over the e.u.'s slow vaccine rollout not only stars in full resigned like we were late with the approval we were too optimistic on mass production and perhaps you were also too certain that the orders would actually be delivered on time rival factions hamas and fatah strengthen their commitment to prepare for the 1st elections for palestinians in 15 years talks in cairo they agreed to respect the timetable and the results of parliamentary and presidential votes in may and july and into the asian investigators say a plane crash last month in which 62 people were killed may have been caused by technical problems should say visual air flight wanted to cry shortly after takeoff from jakarta into the java sea on january 9th that's not for today thanks for your company mohamad james along with inside story next.
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who is in charge in somalia the president's term has expired opposition groups won't recognize his authority and no one knows when elections will take place so what happens if this political deadlock drags on this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program. so malia is facing a power vacuum elections were supposed to take place before the president's 4 year term expired on monday but mohamad abdalla far maggio is in dispute with regional
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leaders over how to hold the vote talks between the central government in mogadishu and somalia's 5 federal states collapsed on friday for macho says the leaders of jubilant and point lead are scuttling a deal to hold indirect parliamentary elections but they accuse far motto of trying to remove power from the opposition parties say a council of politicians and civil society groups should govern for now our diplomatic editor james bays has more. it was supposed to be presidential election day in somalia but following a dispute over the way the poll was to be organized it hasn't happened instead a coalition of opposition candidates have now declared the government of president from a show illegitimate in an interview to be broadcast on talk to al-jazeera the foreign minister mohammed abdul razak told me that's wrong the government will stay in office until an election can be held well after that time after that 4 years he is
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no longer legitimately the president no it cannot be a fact the federal parliament in both chambers have signed voted for by a majority of 215 in the lower house and 40 senators to have. a law that would allow for the parliament with its full authority to continue with its mandate and for all the institutions of the federal government to continue the un is urging all sides to go back to the negotiating table but it won't rule on the constitutional position where it is not for the united nations in any setting to annoying to government declared legitimate or not legitimate if there are institutions that are in place that have been agreed to that have been negotiated we believe that somali political leaders need to come together whether you think the government is legitimate or illegitimate somalia now finds itself in a constitutional gray zone this in what was supposed to be
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a pivotal year for the troubled country this year i am a psalm that african union force is supposed to hand over its responsibilities to the somali national army but most experts believe it's not yet equipped to take the lead role the group most likely to benefit from the current political crisis is al-shabaab which continues to fight amazon and the somali government james pays 00 at the united nations. somalia. has had a long struggle to restore stability its civil war led to the collapse of the central government's authority the armed group controlled large areas of the country and many other regions declared autonomy in 2012 government and african union forces recapture the capital mogadishu and successfully pushed back. a parliament was sworn in and voted in a new president but the government has struggled to assert its authority beyond mogadishu and efforts to hold direct elections have failed.
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alright let's bring in our guests in nairobi kenya matt bryden strategic advisor at sana research and former coordinator of the u.n. monitoring group on somalia and eritrea in the somali capital mogadishu with an id development and humanitarian expert and co-founder of leave now a somali women's political pressure group and in doha a few other enemy professor of international relations at qatar university a warm welcome to you all who didn't let me start with you today what sparked this this election impasse and political crisis i mean what are the issues at play here . and that is what i mean on this show that's fun. for us quite some time now we've been back and forth finding little. ironic election the pentagon actions unfortunately so today we don't have a consensus on a political election that all state will are in that as you know we've
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had multiple. meetings between the federal and state presidents and presidents from my guilt that have. end it with out any political agreement a september 17th there was however and agreement that was signed by f.m.'s and. the president parliament that charted a way forward in an election model and when agreed on that but the implementation of that has been quite contentious and there are a few key items that have been outstanding that the readership have never found a way forward one is the election committee itself and the person not that constituted 2 issues around getting in what the and electoral process should look right i never really is going to get. on the selection.
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or so those are the 3 main act contentious issues that we've not been able to. really have but the country's president is. currently as we mentioned earlier trying to find a ripple with a fury what makes this political crisis different from political crises in the past i mean how much worse is it of course there have been political deadlocks numerous times in the past in somalia there have been timelines to agreements that have not been adhered to why is this different and is it much worse well thank you are not trying to hold on has explained it well but this is a different symbol to because we have never been in a situation where we don't have elections selection whatever you call it all a political agreement normally i'm in almost all of the behaviors of mr mrs or
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could not deliver a pro but i lecture. whether it i'm talking about direct i mean one person one vote the election but what they did was most of them or at least all of them they were able to no good she ate with either a terrible extension or some sort of i mean in direct elections and here we have we are now at the bush and where we have neither under. the thumb and completely neither of the parliament lot of the president can actually extended themselves because the government itself has expired in december so we are in a very actually because it is wishing at the moment it's because of the government is failing because it has been given this task of the beginning and they knew it so they failed to deliver election selection whatever you call it all or some sort of
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a political agreement so this is a unique situation that we have not been for the bus to n.t.'s matt there are those who are blaming this crisis on the president saying that he is trying to grab more power that he is trying to create a stronger federal state then there are those who blame jubilant and point land because they refused to sign the pact introducing the new electoral model from your vantage point who is more to blame is it both or is it one side of the other. well thank you i have to have to agree with them. i think really the the balance of the responsibility lies with the federal government 1st of all there has been a pattern since president from ajah took office of trying to diminish and eventually to subjugate the federal member states not just some point land and jubilant so
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they used to be a top level political forum under the previous government where the federal president and the state presidents would meet president from out joe disbanded that council when he took office he set up a national security council which was only able to meet a couple of times before it became too acrimonious and wasn't convened again. agreements on or let's say agreements in principle on federal architecture were discarded by the federal government especially as far as security natural resources and revenues were concerned so the federal member states have really felt as though . president from a jumper to kill or have been trying to dismantle the essence of federalism establish a monopoly on power and resources and sideline them and i should just add that the federal government aggressively interfered in elections in 3 federal member states
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to have its own loyalists appointed so there's a great deal of mistrust and suspicion from the way the federal government has behaved and now this argument that parliament has extended its own term of office the president has extended until an indefinite period in the future when elections may be held i think just deepens the divide even even further and and makes it harder to mooring all of these take hold. back to the table but then the u.n. and african union have warned against any attempts at holding partial elections or any process that does not have broad consensus in somalia is there a risk that could happen going forward and what would the ramifications be. recent history of somalia right so we've had a pretty successful transfer of a peaceful transfer of power for the last several election cycles and somalia
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really the hills in terms of. africa as as you know. a model for you know footprints of the moxy and i think with it in terms of the context of what the crux of the problem now this could have been for see this is not you know an issue that came about you know misunderstanding in the last month or 2 all or not i think part of the blame or the fault of my not just the federal government but i think also instructional community has to play starting from the challenges that arose spiral to 2018 bits could have been portugal that there never may seem to group ever met and yet has. turned their words nonexistent for quite some time in the canaries who are going to conventions
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where one could mess up the other brands are for community i think mouths the family you know there are you know some missions that mythical that is the post that supports some. of its political process right to consider her itemized constitution which is. that we have every time there's an election there are always times. or governments are and certain issues are ahead of time so i think you know. i'd rather i see accurate in static minutes now i'm concerned about you know bonneton at sea or really severe political fallout is i think disingenuous 'd we need clarity we need leadership such a committee and call out folks in in just right and that kind of a dance around issues no there are real challenges and there's personal politics
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involved in the current impasse and that's all it cost and we need to adjust it and call and move this country forward we've made significant progress in the last decades or so you know the issue everything's getting mentioned who is winning in this in this impasse is somehow rank and some have internal enemies and external enemies that will see this is an opportunity for after their wedding you know the international community has an obligation to make sure it's clarity but also make sure that you know we put your name yes there is china gets a desk. i'm sorry interrupt but let me let me pick up on that point and send the question over to a few because dan was talking about the security vacuum in somalia right now and perhaps being able to take advantage of that what are your thoughts on that well this is actually a reality obviously it's not only out but whenever there is a political problem or kind of the arc that it's all the while and not just the
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doctors take advantage of one of that i could not rule of some political robot i remembered so this is a reality and i think it does why we went on many of us who had a sort of warning against the i mean of an. assault on mental abuse has been foreseen earlier and it was not unfortunate we ended up in a situation where when we don't know what to do i never. but it's just i mean interpreting this provisional constitution i'm by the way one of the people who believe this whole extension business is neither a politically acceptable or 'd legally correct and that's one of those people who believe because simply because you cannot i'm in. the boat in the primacy of the a law is usually with the constitution going to socialist clear it's 40 that is you
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cannot i mean just pass the legislation or resolution and say that i have gently that there is a law that is for what they call. amendments and that hasn't been followed so in my view this all business is a lack of i'm incompetent or capacity will of the politicians most to me and i play in the federal government simply because they are the. they have the bigger responsibility they're being given this task they knew that we are technically. so call it i mean beyond the transition but in reality we face in all kinds of transition whether it's security whether it's constitutional whether it's election and all kinds of things and unfortunately here we go after for 40 artists we have nothing and i think this the political process has to be paid by those neighbor who actually lead the country into this situation matt i saw you nodding along to
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a lot of what a fury was saying there looks like you want to jump in please go ahead well i just completely agree there are there are 3 core tasks that the government somali government has to complete because as sherry said the constitution is incomplete it's a provisional constitution and actually that means we have a provisional government of sorts these 3 tasks are to review and amend the constitution to make it final to. elaborate a. complete the federal architecture so all of the legislation and the political agreements required between the center and the regions and to. come finalize a democratic system of representation and election. with that will help the country to unify rather than political party when it's finally used so this government really made no effort. along those lines if anything the
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federation is weaker security has backtracked over the last 4 years. and. is benefiting from this situation but i would go further and i would say that al-shabaab has actually and it fitted under the government of president for joe building a shadow state that is more deeply rooted now in somali society than perhaps any time before well done what are the implications at play here for the region for the horn of africa thing to have anything to do just me make a comment around that didn't they and the extension past extension. this is not the 1st time that the government has run out of mandates in the past there has been political agreements to get to and through an election. by previous government as well as i had 6 months just that he had one year so this is not me
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where is what we haven't seen before is the lack of political agreement on an extension to implement the election in terms of regional consequence i think we all know it's located in the. security missions are possible and all others. can happen but i think it's important that you know how do we remove that people or shatter because we haven't agreed on our election process if it's worrisome in the sense that it's meeting. rest in ways that are not helping him or the things that may yes there needs to be consensus come to the table figure it out in the month of an election process and when it happened however the saying is that. my saying the current government the current president is really set back the money is progress some are yes there are challenges yes and
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yes there are life in those also happen because there are but overall i think what we need is the solution oriented in figure out a way to get this country on track to an election part of that everyone is this group with and that in the end the getting the outcome is not question that will be the actual dooming bluetongue asking for is in the end and election process happens and there is an agreement or a consensus around the outcome of fury is there anybody amongst the opposition in somalia who poses a real threat politically to the president right now does he have a rival who has a real viable challenger for leadership in somalia extremely difficult to. actually say anything or even predict what is going to have been all through kind of politically. that what we have now and the reality here is that. 2 former
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presidents some former prime minister as a number off former minister as well are all trying to challenge the president when a parliament is elected on the moments we don't know who stands or who is ahead of you or any polling being scientific about we can actually point out to what we have is people who watch us and we want to run for president and that's all when we have a parliament in place maybe we had it we would be able to predict is somewhat how i mean one is rank it all but another so i couldn't say much on doubt but what i want to just point out here is that i agree with paul on that not that we go for a solution what out of the ways to go to to get out of this i mean stalemate i mean i say what i think if that's what you want to be. met we've talked already about
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the political dimensions we've talked about the security aspect when it comes to all of this of what's going on in somalia but i want to i want to look for a moment towards the humanitarian situation in somalia there are so many in somalia who are in need of aid there have been floods locus infestations the pandemic conflict how dire is the humanitarian situation right now and is there a chance that this political stalemate this political crisis could only make things worse the humanitarian situation is is precarious i mean it it often is in somalia just given the. climate and the demographics and the fact that it hasn't really had a functioning central government for so long although it has been said made progress and in recent years. i think though that these sort of political wrangles are well above affecting the daily lives of ordinary somalis much of
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somalia is that is either without administration or is administered by local governments under the auspices of federal member states the federal government itself essentially is confined to most issue and has some influence in neighboring districts. so i think the real danger in terms of the humanitarian situation is if this political and constitutional crisis is not resolved that we could see a return to armed conflict in some parts of the country as you you may have heard on midnight on the last day of president from jos term of office on the night of the 7th. erupted in a display of celebratory gunfire that i personally haven't seen since the dictator mahmoud see about i was chasing the country in 2002 and so tensions are really
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running high the opposition many of them up tissue based have said clearly they don't recognize this government and i think the the need for a solution is not just to to help move things forward politically but it's to avoid things spiraling into an even worse situation so i would agree with the other 2 speakers i think what we really need to do is focus on the fastest and most effective way forward to to rescue to salvage the situation down we only have about a minute left someone ask you to please keep your answer brief what are you hearing from people in mogadishu about all this are they paying attention are they concerned what you hear from people on the ground there. this is. my friend i think the people in iran this is yes the political elites. are very you know involved in moving around these issues but the average citizen in the city is going about their
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way in terms of actual tensions yes there was some gunfire in at midnight on the 70. second create but if it's not out and that will rear people are fearing that it's going to become mines but ultimately i think what we need to understand is that this well also has. kept violence but what we need to really stay clear of is the rhetoric that is heating up in that is making the country more i'm stating that it actually is yes we need to come up with solutions in pass an electoral model that one is satisfied with but not to the detriment of the backtracking of the state of affairs for this country all right we've run out of times we're going to have to leave the conversation there thank you so much to all our guests matt bryden with an id and a few me and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by
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