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one of them. well and that he was that i still can't farm on it because ethiopian sometimes come and attack us they killed the villages we need security but you can see the condition when you development to live to farm there are poor roads poor machinery life here is hard residents say they hope the move by the army to take control of is followed by development projects that will make their lives easier people morgan al-jazeera and they got out of state. half past the hour on al-jazeera these are the headlines never before seen security camera footage has been shown on day 2 of donald trump's impeachment trial and it shows how close the rioters got leading politicians like mike pence and chuck schumer as the mob stormed the capitol building on page one manager joaquin castro said trump did nothing even when the writers went looking for his own vice
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president over an hour and a half into the attack and this is what he tweeted and he still even at this point did not acknowledge the attack on the capitol let alone condemn it instead he further incites the mob against his own vice president whose life was being threatened some of these insurgents were heard saying quote that they hope to find vice president mike pence and execute him by hanging him from a capitol hill tree as a traitor the other headlines tens of thousands of people in myanmar are protesting protesting for a 6th consecutive day against the military coup but the army is not backing down and has detained another close aide of the deposed civilian leader aung san suu kyi who is under house arrest earlier the united states it's imposing sanctions on those responsible for the military takeover. the families of 35 workmen thought to
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be trapped in a tunnel in the indian state of a pecan say they are losing hope a tunnel and much of the surrounding valley was flooded when part of the glassy a collapsed into a river on sunday at least 35 people have died but around 200 are still missing india and china agreed to pull back troops from a disputed area in the western himalayas the standoff began last april when india said chinese troops had crossed to its side of the border and u.s. president joe biden said his 1st conversation with the chinese leadership in pings and taking office biden raised concerns about beijing's economic practices also the pandemic of the situation in hong kong and allegations about rights abuses in jang region president she stressed the need for the 2 nations to avoid any confrontation and those are the headlines the news continues here on al-jazeera after inside story next.
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the senate decides to try former president donald trump for a 2nd time with a partisan vote where will the division leave the u.s. and how will it affect washington's in gauge went with the world this is inside story. hello and welcome to the show i am sam is a than well it's taken almost 4 hours of debate in a divided u.s. senate donald trump 2nd the impeachment is now going ahead though after senators
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found it constitutional trumps lawyers argued he could not be tried after leaving the white house while he's now the 1st former president to face such proceedings 856244 majority voted in favor of continuing the process including 6 republicans impeachment managers and defense lawyers will present their cases over the next 2 days a 2 thirds majority of the evenly split senate is needed to convict trump of inciting in sarette action democrats accuse him of provoking the january 6th assault on the u.s. capitol if convicted he could be barred from holding office again his legal team says the charges are politically motivated and would further split a divided nation. our case is based on called hard facts. people died that day officers ended up with
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head damage and brain damage people's eyes were get out. after a heart attack also lost 3 fingers that day 2 officers have taken their own lives senators this cannot be our future this cannot be the future of america we cannot have presidents inciting and mobilizing mob violence against our government and our institutions because they refused to accept the will of the people under the constitution of the united states but why are the house managers afraid and why is the majority of the house of representatives of fraid of the american people i mean let let's
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understand why we are really here we are really here because the majority in the house of representatives does not want to face doll trump as our political rival in the future that's the real reason we're here and that's why they have to get over the jurisdictional hurdle which they can't get over but that's why they have to get over that in order to get to the part of the constitution that allows removal well let's have a look at how we got here on january the 6th trump addressed supporters in washington d.c. saying the election was stolen and urge them to march on congress then trump supporters stormed the capitol building as politicians were confirming joe biden's election when proceedings were suspended some politicians evacuated while others hid that violence left 5 people dead democrats opened impeachment proceedings in the house of representatives 10 republicans broke ranks to vote with them to impeach donald trump senators then agreed to delay the trial until biden was sworn
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in as president on january the 25th the impeachment article was delivered to the senate. i. let's bring our guests into the show i have joining us from washington d.c. jack kingston he's a former us republican congressman in burlington ram vermin state senator and in milford connecticut chris haynes an associate professor of political science and legal studies at the university of new haven welcome to you all good to have you on the show let's start if we could with chris has anything that has happened in the senate so far change at all the prospects of impeachment where we are ultimately heading with this process what do you think chris.
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i mean you've got to you've got to think by the fact that only one republican senator senator grassley changed his vote on nothing seismic has changed with respect to the group of republicans that could vote to convict president trump salter metally at the end of the day it doesn't look like anything has changed that said. the way the the precision the emotion the impact of the democratic managers of presentation their video and that contrast with the case put forth by the trial lawyers was so stark that you know it could have changed them public opinion which could pressure some of those republicans at some point into maybe reconsidering their vote but at the end of the day i don't think jack how much of a real possibility is that the strength of the the argument of the impeachment managers the alleged weakness in the presentation of the president's defense narrative that might offer some pressure on sentences to change their
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stance. you know i don't know if it will really make any difference or not most people know this is political theater it's a kangaroo court there's no court in the land for example where a member of the jury who would vote patrick leahy would also serve as the judge of the court right not that their show she will share that is the video that chris mentioned was spliced it will not be made it as evidence in a traffic court in the united states of america. so i'm hoping some of the democrats will come to their senses and show you know we don't have the votes to convey it takes $67.00. it's going to happen maybe the republicans should go back in and president obama when we regain the majority back at the lower paying and true but this is political theater most people know it really is such
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a sad moment through joe biden who 3 weeks ago sworn in as president talked about unifying the country is he sitting silently because he dare not speak out in violation of the beliefs of the radical extremes of the democrat party these days that he doesn't show any leaders i mean he's not way in it all and saying here's a president this out of office are sort of basically just a. paraphrase what you're saying correctly is no this is not going to put pressure on republicans to switch sides if anything it might do the opposite make democrats as you said come to their senses ok should you agree with that analysis of where the what we've seen in the senate where that's leading public opinion or public pressure. well absolutely not i mean 1st of all i don't want to unify with people who brought molotov cocktails to the capitol or planted bombs under some of
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our revered buildings and institutions you know we're we're looking at a situation where we need justice we need to be able to reckon with what happened on january 6th as a country and sometimes i will go back and watch congresswoman barbara jordan speech during the impeachment trials richard nixon and you know at that time president nixon was was good enough and had enough remorse to resign and we did not see any remorse from donald trump for what he incited and the violence he cost for a police officer dying and as we heard you know other other injuries and people taking their own lives this was a dark day in american history and this debate is for 50 years from now 100 years from now for now for all of us to make sure that future generations know we stood up on the right side of justice that's what this is about we are very proud paid
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attention or do you think that that's who's narrative is going to win over either side of the political aisle do you really see that this is going to end in an impeachment. you know we i think i want to focus on the republicans who have been brave enough to put their country before their party and that may not be enough republicans to impeach this former president but that is enough for us to know that there is guilt there and senator patrick leahy is is unimpeachable in his character many folks know he served with distinction for decades he has respect on all sides of the io he has worked tirelessly to uphold the constitution and i believe he will lead a process that goes down in the history books as one to reconcile what happened and make sure we still have a democracy at the end of this process chris what does it say about the state of
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division not only around political issues but the state of division on what should be really consensus issues like constitutional principles of whether the senate has been looking at so far was the question of whether it has the constitutional right to try a former president right and that even that constitutional question went down on party lines is that warren cross i mean what it says is that will ultimately i want to address something that jack said which is this is ultimately a political process the fact that it's political it's not surprising and it's not necessarily bad the difference is you know. back during the nixon pietschmann. there were actually congressman that you think that actually were much more fair and and saw facts is facts it's very different and much more polarized that's it also speaks to the polarized nature between the 2 different parties in america. and
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it also specifically means that you know one of those parties still has not moved on from its last president and president donald trump is still in control of that party and so if anything those are the pigs that it says. i'm going to go on the leg here and say that might be the one thing everyone on the show might agree with and let me test my hypothesis now let me i'll come to jack in the case or just very briefly is the result so far of the senate process a more polarized america which is what chris is saying do agree with that the democrats have these limits to majority in the senate but they represent millions and millions more americans in their in their population so you know what we've seen is a real imbalance between who's representing us in washington and what the american people feel is right and so is your answer no because i've got some poll careful what you answer because here we've got some poll numbers to bring up so you saying
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no you don't think that this is that the american public is very is getting more polarized as as a result of this impeachment process. oh more polarized you know perhaps but but then when i do believe the majority of americans want to see justice in this situation i want to see a reckoning if i am wrong you know i am starting to not recognize the entire country it could be because i'm in vermont where we have a republican governor who also believes that you know donald trump is on the right side of history and we wanted to see him got a long time ago ok all right let me give jack a chance in there so let me ask you this to bring it back to the same question are we seeing a more polarized america as a result of well how it's going so far in the senate. of course we are only say this about my good colleague here there's no court in vermont that would have a member of the jury be the judge or this is
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a kangaroo court everybody knows that there's no court in vermont that would allow a slice of video to the minute as evidence as chris said this is a political proceeding john i'm sorry let me let me interrupt you now and say but when you say things like that are you not in fact feeding if not creating the division because your base know none of them only in the process of the senate. there is absolute division december my only paraphrase of all saying it don't spit on my leg in college right if you're serious you were due process you would have witnessed you have a supreme court jerks sitting in you would have democrats who would actually break from party rights quite unheard of in the democrat party these days and say wait a minute are we really going to unify the country by each about the who's out of office of. each minister remove somebody from office so why are we doing this the
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truth of the matter is that democrats are just fear. armless as much as they hate him and they hate him as on the letter and they want to make sure that he is not a threat to them by running against 2024 that's what this is all about and everybody in the senate loves their 100 members of the spirit will tell you there if they would speak truth 'd this is this is no one but it can't rule political court for one purpose and then it's the. into give comfort to the democrats remus to get over there or out we're going to come back to the some of the terms of use they have kangaroo court but let's i did mention that we've got some polls so let's take a look at what americans how they view this trial a gallup poll found 52 percent would like to see senators voting to convict donald trump 45 percent prefer sentences to find him not guilty in 3 percent are unsure where this suggests the public is slightly more supportive of convicting trump compared to last year's trial about the poll does suggest americans are almost
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evenly split on the issue of impeachment now i mean let me take this point perhaps to chris i mean this when you look at this poll it's almost 5050 split right and. with this kind of trend how does this end with the sort of agenda that joe biden spoke about of a more unified country doesn't seem to be going that way right. i mean the reality is i'm not sure it's gone and yet i have both parties being willing to play ball here and and and and they're not you know we need civil politics again i think joe biden is trying to bring that back but there are people in his party and on the opposition that. are too vested in the current system which is really built on you know media appearances and joining up votes and polarizing america you know that whole it is a reflection of the polarization of
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a it looks like the presidential vote went 1020 is that i think it was 42 percent. that is opposed way way basically does the coalition of can we call them i don't know nationalist different types of nationalists and nationalist groups that rallied around trump way do they go from here if they think this is as jack was was saying this is a kangaroo court the result of a lack of legitimacy in the process do they stay some of them within the republican party will do they break away. and a lot of this depends on what donald trump does and says right that's the create his own party because he create his own media network does he not do anything if donald trump is no longer really active in the party i don't think they vote anymore most but if he is and all indications are that donald trump wants to play a role in the next for hope the continue republican party then i'm sure they're going to be there are going to be the base of that party. and we're going to see
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this kind of division and fear in the eyes of many elected republican officeholders moving forward jack let me come back to you when you use the language like this is a kangaroo court aren't you one of the effects of that is to deal with some of the institutions of democracy can you blame people then who might not only go out of the republican party but out of the whole democratic system i mean one of the tweets i think was the proud boys was calling on their photos to now go dark you know maps and gauge in more violence rather than trying to resolve differences democratically. well i think in terms of you know where do we go from here i think that if this process was a fair and open process again with a real judge again with real witnesses again with really have against and again with due process process which is a fundamental right of americans and i'll be an impeachment can be exempt from all
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their american still it's there that's what richard nixon had for example and i think part of this is if you're going to say the rhetoric used by trump is somehow different from that that was used by nancy pelosi where she called defenders of the federal courthouse in portland stormtroopers different from met seen waters who sits on the members of trump can and disrupt them get in their face are different from the language from chuck schumer who under steps of the supreme court said you hear me cavanagh you hear me yourself the we're all within this coming for you i'm an absolute threat to the extent that the supreme justice roberts had to say comment on it publicly i think if americans see that does that make it better though janet does that make it ok i mean if the accusation is really other side is using inflammatory rhetoric that the legitimize is the institutions of democracy is
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it a good recipe for both sides to do that. yes absolutely both sides have to do there and that is where i was going with this whole thing if you can see the democrats discipline in their own you would see republicans probably disciplined in their own as well. but you're not seeing that are you see in this. hour read your jersey we're on different sides we always be against each other or are limited i mean i say let me take that point to cash or then cash or would you agree then that the inflammatory rhetoric is something that the democrats maybe now that they have the white house and both houses of congress need to take the initiative to combat and as jack said if the dems do it we do it. well i will just say i was the youngest woman in history to serve in the vermont state senate young people are incredibly tired of not having any adults in the room in washington and having
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people on both sides lowering the level of debate i do not see that from president joe biden and vice president connelly harris and we should be holding our president and those in the white house to a higher standard than we hold other office holders we have not been able to do that with donald trump he is we know he's perfectly comfortable in court he's there all the time but he is not comfortable hearing his words repeated back to him he constantly denies what he has said he constantly tried to evade responsibility he did it after inciting that riot after saying he would be there to march with his followers and then absolutely denying his role in that attack that is cowardly and we don't suffer cowards in this country we need to be able to hold him accountable to what he has said or we don't have a functioning democracy and
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a functioning society where we hold people accountable ok i want to maybe shift the discussion a little bit now chris the issue of a distraction will this turn into really over oh both sides seem that they want the impeachment at least to be a quick process are we really going to see the machinery of government destructive if not with impeach him but with the divisiveness of it for the rest of this term. well what you see it right now is joe biden doing everything in his power to try to get out of it so that that possibly doesn't happen. whether that happens or not you know i'm not sure and to be to be frank here the polarization was already there i'm not sure the polarization is going to get that much worse but it could definitely deal where a lot of the efforts in joe biden wants to do legislatively that require republicans
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unless they're wanting to do away with the filibuster which 2 democratic senators have said they're not so it's going to be difficult for him kind of move forward but indications so far you know are that there are some republicans that are willing to at least sit down and talk with biden that's the part that's much better what obama had to deal with and so you know that's i guess that's the measure jack we have a an international audience for the show to see and i'm wondering what you would say to address the question of whether we are now looking at the u.s. which is increasingly on a trajectory of being mall in the woods looking. well the u.s. is going to remain involved in global sedaris it's in our economic interests it's in our national security interests people might not like the cell of one of ministration over the other but we've always been there and we're going to continue to arm i hope for example that joe biden builds on the peace accords that donald
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trump had signed with jordan israel the other countries i think it would be a great place to start i think we should cooperate and on energy not necessarily in power in iran on the nuclear pathway the way of many of us fear that there are lots of room for compromise on there i think in terms of china. to. adventurism that china has around the globe some of it in terms of steel and business copyrights and so for that there could be a lot of international cooperation on the currently terrorism is something that we should all be united on so ok lemme list let me jump in here i think we've got about 60 seconds left i want to give it to keisha on that same thought with the u.s. caught between impeachment cove in 1900 the economy does it have do politicians have the mental space and energy to cooperate across the aisle and look at things from china to russia to iran and other issues well i just want to say that having this
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trial is important to the world what we're seeing in e.m.r. what we're seeing in countries that are starting to think that they can ignore elections too and they can let their budding democracies die on the fly it matters what we do in this case it matters that we honor the result of a free and fair election in this country and it matters to the world. all right thank you all i think you've all made very good points and passionate cases there for your perspectives thank you all for coming on the show thanks to jack kingston question ram and chris haynes and thank you to fortune the show you can see it again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a.j. inside story from a sam is a dad and the whole team here for now it's goodbye. it's
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