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institution limiting him to 2 consecutive terms in office ran for the presidency again in 2003 standing down before the 2nd round of the signal it became clear he'd lose to the eventual president mr kitchener mean he was no stranger to controversy convicted of smuggling weapons to crew a show that could all investigated the serious corruption charges would be remembered with mixed emotions biology and science who lived through the $99.00 to $1.00 thing they all agree on however life with carlos menem as president was never dull. the headlines on al-jazeera is deposed leader and. had her detention extended until wednesday nationwide protests calling for her release have now entered their 10 day suits she is due to appear in court later this week scott idler has the details from bangkok but we're hearing now from her attorney who said that there was
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to find the cure for cancer counting the cost of the. the international criminal court has opened the door to investigate war crimes in the israeli occupied territories so will justice finally prevail. marc lamont hill also on the show just months after being poisoned with a deadly nerve agent russia's opposition leader alexina violently was sentenced to more than 2 and a half years in prison his supporters however continue to protest in thousands despite a violent crackdown by vladimir putin security forces is this a turning point for russia that's our debate but 1st a new hope for justice is what some palestinians have called the international criminal court's ruling that gives the jurisdiction over the occupied territories
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the israeli prime minister has slammed it as a quote perversion of justice so are israeli officials afraid they could be prosecuted for war crimes i'll ask israel's former ambassador to the u.n. this week headline or any dinner. david i thank you for joining me thank you for having me today the international criminal court ruled last week that it does have jurisdiction to investigate potential crimes within the territories occupied by israel your prime minister benjamin netanyahu called it a perversion of justice and he said that the alleged violations are quote fake war crimes why discredit any investigation before it even gets started. prime minister netanyahu was absolutely right it is a political decision even in the us we are not the member of the international called in there although when you look at they're willing they decided to grant statehood to the palestinian and we all know that is not the case maybe it will be
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in the future but as of today palestine is not a state what we saw it's powered over the diplomatic terrorism of the palestinian authority and unfortunately is caught not yet if not the. finally yet by the way goes to that they called it in with the palestinian authority trying to blame israel and i want to remind you in the audience really the only strong democracy with strong legal institutions in the region so i don't think what we saw coming home that is the intention to help anyone just intended to embarrass israel well there are several things at play here one the un has recognized palestine as a state for these purposes years ago and to some extent the fact that the west bank is occupied is certainly a reason that plays into the justification by the i.c.c. for investigating for investing in potential crimes no. so when you look at the
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allegations themselves they mainly come from the conflict we had the border with gaza where we had terrorists trying to to storm into the well in we broke them and that's what we expect our boys and girls in the i.d.f. to do to protect our will civilians from terrorist and i don't think you should judge democracies for what they're there are civilians so 'd we are not afraid to form any inquiry 'd or an investigation but when we see thumb thing that smell that is coming from a political decision that are not looking for justice and they think are they we have no place to indict evil in this court and of course israel is not the only entity that could be investigated based on this ruling could be investigated in this ruling but what we see here is the u.n. security council the general assembly and the international court of justice all have affirmed that israeli settlements are in violation of the 4th geneva convention so this isn't just about the 2014 war but amnesty international has accused israel of war crimes and quote directly and deliberately targeting
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civilians or civilian objects in the 2014 war that includes killing 2251 palestinians 1462 of whom were civilians and 551 of whom were children and i think you would probably argue that her mass should be investigated but why not israel as well. i think you have to look back at their region of this discussion. if you thought about the west bank when you look at what happened in 2005 when it's very decided to pull out from gaza completely we are polluted or the jewish communities you don't have anything the is settlement all so called the occupation in gaza today but still we saw what happened there with hamas the sending a rocket and missiles to our cities and yes we defend our people if we would have to do it you say that you left gaza in 2005 true but gaza still controlled by land
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air sea the aerial sphere the population registry all still controlled by israel still satisfies the conditions for occupation i don't i don't accept i don't really have some should mark yes we have a border with gaza but i want to remind you and you are you know the facts are very well that the the border also between egypt and gaza so why don't you ask. about the occupation of gaza we can talk about and i'd be happy to have you back to talk about what's happening at the rafah border as well but let's assume that that's a crime as well let's just let's stipulate that for a moment that stood with negate the argument that was happening on the israeli side is a crime more than half of the people killed were civilians how is that not a war crime. because when you look at the intentions of self defense and when you see what we are doing defending our borders and by the way i want to remind you that the people who were incited to storm the fans to try to infiltrate into the well we would not allow it and we cannot allow it to imagine that you had people
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coming for the border of mexico trying to force their way into the us you were not allowed out of seoul so i think when you look at the intentions our little boys and girls in the idea of their intention not to harm anyone we have a moral army and we are proud of it and when there are mistakes done we know how to investigate them and if we need to punish we do punish those people or we're not obeying orders but when you look at that the news about in the military you understand that the intention is to protect i will civilians not to hurt anyone there's an argument of course yes if people were coming from the southern border in the united states if a large number of civilians were killed we would want to investigate it to see if if if in to your point the proper intention was displayed and if the proper tactics and strategies were displayed would you agree they would investigate it mark let me i will go on they want to get i want the us with the u.s.
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will allow the i think the to investigate the operators on the border no it would be done in the u.s. by the only argument at all and you're live and that's what i'm asking you today so there are not really any other system so there's 2 questions or one would be would they never will be should day so to your point absolutely the u.s. probably would not agree to that but they should i was reading one report from human rights watch on the 2014 war they found that israeli missile strike on the refugee camp blew the roof off of a vehicle and partly dissin barreled a 9 year old girl and wounded her 8 year old sister who were sitting in front of their home nearby and what's most interesting about their report is that they found that no there was no evidence of a military objective in the vehicle or in the area at the time would you agree that that is something that should happen and that constitutes a war crime. so you know what i told my colleagues at the u.n. every time they came to me with the allegations that usage was lies i told them
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give me the exact details of the incident and we have the mechanism to investigate it if one of our pilots made a mistake we will investigate it we'll look into it and you know most of the times when i ask for the actual document we never received it so how many israeli soldiers have been convicted through this process by the way you will be thought plies doing to know that when we found out that people 'd were not. obeying the orders they were convicted how many they paid their price how many times i don't want to give you an i don't want to give you a number but i can speak about the mechanism that people in israel went to jail because they were not obeying orders but i do understand it so you do understand overly majority of these valleys soldiers in the act according to the model called of the i.d.f. we do want everyone to seri to save lives if an investigation were done and it were determined that israel were using disproportionate force or targeting civilian populations or cutting off resources that international law says people should get you would support condemning that if that were to happen i would support allowing
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us to do the investigation and that's what we are doing and that's what these are respected by the international community but if you want to play the blame game none of that's all that i'm asking given to deter terrorism but ask a very specific question if it were determined that disproportionate force or use this the billions were targeted or that resources were cut off like you electricity etc you would condemn that would you not. determine by home by you if you determine their stories i mean if if you determine that would you condemn it. absolutely ok so the reason i'm asking is because on facebook in 2011 you wrote i am currently in ashkelon to witness the security problem facing the city to deal with a mass of leaders in gaza and for every missile that falls in our southern towns we retaliate by deleting a neighborhood in gaza by deleting a neighborhood in gaza you also said we have to stop the entry of fuel and electricity in gaza immediately and of course for those who don't know to do these things to deny access to these sorts of resources or to blow up it or delete it are
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unable to allow it to and so that i would love to be answered with an 11 i want you to answer about what i did and i want to be clear to the audience for those who don't know as i'm sure you do know that this would this would constitute collective punishment which would be a war crime and would be a violation of international law so let me answer that when hamas is deliberately targeting electricity facilities in israel. and threatening our lives there is no reason for us to allow them to continue that and that's what we are actually considering to do so yes we're not. taking advantage of see vision population there will be a price to pay. and in gaza so under that circumstance collective punishment for you is acceptable. you know that we actually provide the city into gaza and open my question is uncertainty of where i want and i want to answer you know when the 3rd infertility in ashkelon that we used to provide electricity into gaza is targeted
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by hamas. i don't think we should continue to supply that with it to gaza on that day and time when new but you also talk about the leading entire neighborhoods or surely you understand that that will be disproportionate force do you regret that remark would you like to restate or take that remark bag. absolutely not. i beg to disagree with you about youth a disproportional what is disproportional do you have to be the leader of the entire neighborhood when when you have hundreds of thousands of israeli children who cannot sleep at night i think it very clearly and i will repeat it if the very children in ashkelon ashdod and tel aviv will not be able to sleep at night although the children in gaza will not be able to sleep at night well that's when you have a wall of time that when you have a war you take action we don't want to be there but if hamas would send rockets into our cities we would really tally it and the consequences an unfortunate
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consequence of that will be that the children not only if they will not be able to sleep but also the children in gaza but do we want to avoid it and you are not you don't want to speak about it in order to avoid it we have to speak about the peace we are doing with the moderate arab countries in the region we have to speak about the p.a. that is our voting negotiations they care about the thinking about the past and they continue with their rejectionism i think you've definitely made a case for the for the i.c.c. here but. to be able to make its own determination let's talk about those deals in the region that you just talked about you know they've often been touted as peace deals but in many ways they're not really peace deals trumpet ministration made a plan for israel palestine they didn't consult palestinians the palestinian authority has been very clear they weren't even consulted in the deal and then the deals that you're talking about with the u.a.e. with rain with sudan with morocco they had nothing to do with palestine of course these and we call them peace deals yet they were never at war with israel during you know in this era so are these deals actually pieces are they just politics as
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usual. so i beg to this that we would you again it's happening a lot today but there 1st of all the other a real peace deal and by the race was done in morocco did participated in wars against these well they sent troops there in the past i said in the monitor and i said in the modern in this era surely you would argue that morocco has been a military threat to israel in our lifetimes yes but you know you can you can attack israel in the different venues and i think it's important that we have normalization with those important countries ok and we should send the u.s. for help to get i do agree with you with the palestinians we have to negotiate with them directly i said it for many years we respect all the media tools we respect the u.s. the e.u. the un you name it but at the end of the day it would require strong leadership from israel and the palestinian authority sitting together in a room negotiating if you want to actually move forward sit down and negotiate
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directly with us any day and thank you so much always good to talk to you. thank you very much about. last august russian opposition leader alexina vonnie was poisoned with a nerve agent and fell into a coma it's widely believed the russian authorities are behind the attempt on his life a claim the kremlin denies for 5 months and a volley remained in germany where he had been undergoing treatment and in january returned home to russia he was immediately detained and days later protests erupted throughout the country the volley now faces more than 2 years in a penal colony while human rights organizations and leaders across the world have condemned the ruling and recognize the vladimir putin challenger as a political prisoner with the bodies arrest has the opposition movement come to an end or the recent protests indicate that it's only just beginning joining me to discuss this are garry kasparov former world chess champion and chairman of the human rights foundation and from moscow nina khrushchev a professor of international affairs at the new school and senior fellow of the
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world policy institute thank you both for joining me in the arena i want to start with you let's involve me has been the russian president's fiercest challenger for years he's been called the man vladimir putin fears the most putin doesn't even like to say this person's name if you could help it. he had to know when he comes home he's going to be immediately arrested why choose jail over. that was his personal choice i don't think we should now discuss the belittle this choice a lot of people myself included thought that you know it could be probably more effective to stay abroad to know exactly. how to sanctions meet 4 leaders but it was an act of heroism he knew that he would be detained arrested and he was sure you know how many years not months he would spend in prison but he also thought that coming back he would have a much stronger case for for the protesters and he was not wrong. he's
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a arrest and conviction hundreds of cells russians made to the streets and it was the biggest protest both geographically and energetically russia saw since the collapse of the soviet union you know what you make of this again i don't want to get the legitimacy of the choice as much as the logic of the political strategy behind it perhaps ideological strategy behind his choice to choose jail over exile why do you think it makes that choice well i'll explain that miley is a politician and so as a politician his name. places and the country he use for politics and if he is abroad he just becomes one of politicians are not exactly who he becomes a political analyst somebody who can analyze whatever the situation in russia is but he's a player and i think what he did with coming back is not only invigorating the
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protests but also make everybody united what they're protesting for because russia has been. protesting for years but they've never been on one subject they would be more localized protests but this time it is for crean of me and putin is it so bizarre very very to kind of important messages but another thing that he has done himself in the same position as. and this is really quite a feat because we didn't ease the politician of russia and he's no longer that now now by any politician of russia and putin is just a president who needs to be replaced gary this idea that an avanti is now one of the chief players if not the chief player in russia for some that played out in the streets as you said tens of thousands of people took to the streets in protest soon after his arrest $10000.00 were arrested in over 109 cities around the country was this about novell news that this was about love only or was us more of an anti
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putin move. probably bokes because you needed to volley to you to expose putin's corruption and even if you have so much energy energy a protestant someone has to ignite it and no valise act heroic act of coming back and when using peace movie on putin's palace. was the trigger so when the bali critical of the problems that had been accumulated if you look at the demographics of the protestant you also will see the dramatic difference 70 plus percent of those who feel the russian streets city 5 or younger years old or younger that means that these people were you know born in a. suburb russia or in the last few years of the soviet union they never they never visited that ever attended solve yet a soviet school it's a new generation and the fact is that these people made to the streets are supported to volley express their dissatisfaction and anger we spoke to corruption
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it's a sign that the regime is is is now in the state of agony but the agony may take quite a long time because you know it's this this regime could be identified with a dinosaur is a huge body and very small brains and when it dies you know it could cause a lot of damage for those when you buy 820172018 there were protests in the streets against corruption against the change in the retirement law making the pension age higher these were protests that took to the streets as well you're there now in moscow in the streets what's different now than before. well i mean before we did feel localized i mean people would go and actually they were larger projects that they were this year they were large in number but they were never as i said they were never that centered around a particular theme so i think that is different but now there is visible anger that i didn't experience before just because i think the way in that by the street it it
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was the scene. the madness the way that the state is dealing with the rightness case not mentioning his name when there is i actually tried to get to that trial on february 2nd for him jumping parole because he was in a coma in germany. and i couldn't get through i mean it was completely impossible because everything was blocked so it feels like the city is occupied and it also makes people angry of course the state wants to do it to kind of occupy the street and close the subway stations and close the center because they wants people to feel very annoyed with what not highly it's because he creates inconvenience but i was talking to people in the street and they were saying that's ok it's ok i'm not going to go shopping in their central market this weekend i'm going to go into month when that my niece free so in some ways they are creating the opposite reaction and i think that exasperates the state mike's war if. if if it were just
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handled then that might make sense would be any of a case of somebody who they say jumped parole gary let's talk about laval and the as a figure you mentioned a both of you have sort of talked about how his recent sort of choices have made him more of a heroic figure and have shifted maybe even elevated him in the public imagination that that's certainly true but he's not just might use that against corruption he also has some pretty controversial views of his own you look on you tube you see him talking to his audience about how to get rid of immigrants comparing them to believe flies in cockroaches and of course he was talking about in the the north caucasus region which is predominately muslim in a pro-gun rights video he pretended to shoot one immigrant with a pistol so when people start comparing him to nelson mandela will people sort of make a political martyr or a hero to their proportion what do you make of it. yeah you're talking about.
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and if you express a long time ago and i know him for nearly 20 years and i can see evolution speaking about nelson mandela let's not forget that you know before being jailed nelson mandela. was involved in. armed resistance and violent resistance i'm not here to to to downgrade important this resistance to get apartheid regime but. it's i think any comparison you know using the parallels the story girl or you know or comparing different countries. problems with. and even lately you know one of only supposed to use that you know i disapprove we disagree on. issues but i don't think it matters because if you look at the overall picture of ali's recent statements over the last few years he was attacking the
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very foundation. but i think. right now trying to pick up. on the past just to go just to be clear that's exactly what that's exactly what russia russia russian propaganda is doing well it's not just russian propaganda in the guardian in april 2017 which is only for less than 4 years ago. that he didn't regret it he's unapologetic he sees those videos quote as a strength that he can speak to both liberals and nationalists when speaking about comparing migrants to cockroaches he said it was artistic license and when asked specifically if there's anything at all from those videos or that period that he regrets he firmly said no. ok. you know i said as i said i knew him for for nearly 2 decades and i saw yes i saw his evolution and it's this most of the things he said there were set in before yes it's even after 2014 he expressed such views that today it would be not acceptable by me and many of my allies and friends
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but right now we are again we are you know facing facing an existential threat not only to future russia but the future of the world i would be very careful paint not a one way or another because russia is a complex country so when we say that he is because he was he had some certain he was that we disapprove of in liberal america it doesn't mean he's not popular among the russians in fact i believe that he's popularity in many ways it's precisely because he's not a carbon copy of what we understand is liberal so he can embrace a lot of us and i think that is important for russia because generally i'm not saying all of it but generally russia is more conservative in much less politically correct or not politically correct at all than the united states but another thread that puts in faces from now by any is that when people start speaking in thinking clearly and became their politicians because that's what does with his smart voting
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