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and afterwards charged them with sedition many fled into exile but the issue hasn't gone away and was a major focus of sunday's regional elections 3 separatist parties won enough votes to increase their majority in parliament but the couple on branch of spain's ruling socialists also won more seats and the far right is set to enter the regional legislature for the 1st time since the monaghan reports. separatist parties in catalonia are hailing the vote as a major victory with the strength and majority of the region's parliament many of the movement's leaders say the case for secession from spain has never been stronger i would like to send a message to european authorities and the results are clear we deplaned up and inspired to have a majority we have reached more than 50 percent of the popular vote the catalan people haven't spoken the time has come to negotiate a referendum of cell that there may nation police get involved. the separatist

cause made international headlines in 2017 when a referendum was held on breaking away from spain it wasn't sanctioned or recognized by madrid and wasn't legal under spanish law. the central government group against the referendum organizers many of whom fled into exile where they remained since then political power has shifted to madrid but the current socialist prime minister is just as opposed to cattle and independents as conservative predecessor in the latest election result in catalonia has put the fate of the region back on the agenda not your. i'm happy independence has the majority we are all together and i hope we'll come to make an agreement to make a path together this isn't about us for you but i want to because it makes me happy that the total votes in favor of pro independence options has surpassed 50 percent there are not only catalan pro independence people but more people in favor of a referendum these things i believe health less and violence in terms of democracy

and conflict solving. while the games by separatist parties are undisputed this was an unusual election the pandemic may have contributed to an extremely low turnout only 53 percent of catalans cast their vote compared to 79 percent in 2017 and the election also saw big gains by the socialists and the far right box party both are opposed to session. moment for an inside story. i all right let's bring in our guests in barcelona model a get out baucus professor of constitutional law at barcelona university in brussels peter klepto an e.u. policy analyst and in madrid christine romans on oh editor in chief of escobar and columnist at a pace welcome to the program are let me start with you today overall what do the results of this election tell us well overall i think that these results

especially free up here from here from catalonia what they tell us is that the blocs need a more which means that we still have 2 blocs both or see them go from one book to another so that means that we still have the question on the table so that means that also that would really need to talk about which would be the best solution for the cup and a question because many people voted for independence or little the turnout with not very high but it will look at the results we can see we can create from the results that we still need to talk we still have a question on the table and then on the other hand we have the issue of the stream bride party who has entered the catalan parliament and this is a big concern to christina march's brought up something i wanted to ask you about which is the fact that the far right vox party is going to be entering catalonia as

regional parliament for the 1st time having won 11 seats vioxx is pro union with spain how is that going to play from your perspective into the secessionist narrative in catalonia and how popular has vox become in spain. it is hard to and saying in kabul terms i think the very well because they know they could garner all their votes. i mean for just that the union. with the spain asked sat you know very simplistic tariffs if you had me and which means also and to catalan sentiments. i don't think their political proposals will move match there i think they will make another lot of nice tests will they do very well they know how to grapple the attention off of on the public opinion but i don't i don't see them being very just some political actor in the in the parliament because i'm not a post of czar and just it is an anti political force and i assume it will be in

catalonia as it is sometimes also in me it is very worrying in any case that in spain which happened had a right to wayne to extremist party until recently it is very worrying that they have moving so quickly and they at they have done so but size me based on these cattle and anticipate his sentiment on to abstain peter the fact that pro independence parties have won more than 50 percent of the vote for the 1st time how significant is that. well i think it's it's very important and i think it's mainly a confirmation of the fact that there's strong sentiment in the town and society to to to gain a lot more self control or even independence i think that's an important political fact and we should really abandon all pretense that this would not be

existant or that this would actually only be a fringe movement i mean it is very very present in qatar and yeah but secondly i think we also or any solution would need to appreciate that no matter how you look at it a sizable minority at least people living in constant linea are against independence so. i always say to reconcile that the obvious solution is switzerland which is a very successful decentralized country and i think the spanish government maybe they should not in voice dismiss governments to actually mediate which this was government post a few years ago but this is definitely take model very serious and abandon the strategy of basically looking away and hoping the problem will go away because

the problem will not go away now in practice what could be done i would say one step in the right direction. be to grant cuts alone you know at the same that station over settles the bus country out and why not all the regions in spain so i think this would be a say a wice compromise and at least for supporters of independence day should see that as a big step forwards more i saw you reacting to some of what peter was saying there did you want to add to the point he was making. yes i think it's a still on the table and i actually agree with both with what christina montana safe and also said peter and jerry i totally agree like it will be on the table especially with the fact that we have our work cut all either even though you wrote it for them or not that they are in jail they are all tied to spain for the course on their 4212 for for other they are in

a giant so at the end of the day poor of our last president were all steps from power and if you say ok they were resolved on everything but at the end of the day there was never violence hearing in catalonia and we still have or cut the leaders in jails so it has power from the tax issue which many people is offending we also have the emotional situation that many people see things that we are we are not treated as we sure though we need more also to me or more independent and most the the polls show also that many people is for preferring them so we can check how many of last one to stay with the saying and home any one to leave and why not why not another proposal as peter was saying maybe a solution like switzerland has or independence or a for the ration so there are many solutions but for this we need to talk we need

to have a proposal from the funny time the catalan government and of course if we don't talk if we don't ask people what they want even though this is not within the constitution which is true it's not true within the constitution but if you want a solution you have to find a way to talk and and to to find the solution because if not do list a on the table for ever christine i saw you nodding to some of what moore was saying there so i want to get your reaction to what she was saying and i also want to ask you you know what is what is the response to the results of these elections from the rest of the country. from sorry from when the rest of the precipice yes ok yes let me go back to to some peters a common sense because it is true that in terms of of seats in the parliament. independent throwing dependents could this have one more land in majority a little bit more than in my 280 but in terms of votes # i do yes and then

a small turnout around 53 percent means that only 25 percent of the people that are in the census in catalonia the people that are able to vote how far are in probably independence vote so these one of the lessons of these results i think is that it cannot be taken as a plebiscite every election in catalonia for the last years have intended to be up leaves many side on the independents issue and i think we to with a 25 percent of the population which can vote and going for that and therefore that solution i don't think it's enough to take such a decision forgotten and for the rest of the of the country it is true that many solutions are on the table and it is also true that we have a plane with emotional issues here and if you see that from moderation a point of view they're not so many arguments and that could push for out for an

independent was he shouldn't because maybe they dassent he doesn't play well in for instance in terms of the economy is another thing is taxes and i'll go to 2 there now. and let's not forget that the situation in the last years have taken more than 4000 companies businesses to go out of cotton because of the of the uncertainty so i think it's all something to take into account i think defense of solution and going back to what ben and i were saying. could be the 2 have that all the regions in spain all that gone and i'm so done with that we can now have a set piece of this and right. and in that sense i wouldn't like the cut and cut on your going to wars. solution as in the basque country but because that is an annulment even a also that is a difference too to watch the rest of this is made how these resorts have been taken in there is something spain you know these. with

a bit of. how could i say to people be tired in. the sense that results have not been so different because they don't really solve anything pioli endeavor a 1st moment we are bound to have very intense negotiations from from now on i think it's ok it's over and now let's focus and a pandemic which is our 1st and major issue right now peter from your vantage point is it likely that separatist parties will now ask madrid for a referendum. it's looking lively and dates and then the question is how troops will react that i suspect like and vast majority will say well we can actually grant a referendum because the spanish constitution forbids it but apparently at least according to some legal scholars an advisory referendum could be granted question is will that be enough for the independence movement now frankly i

think even if a majority votes for independence in a number on the referendum you still need to change the spanish constitution and everything to do it legally and even if you can do all that the fact remains that a large minority in catalonia will not be happy so personally i think it's better to. go for a gradual approach and as i mentioned this deftly this definitely means that we should stop pretending that. or madrid should stop pretending that there is no such thing as an independence movement it's there it has large support in society and also indeed talking about getting done the same rights as the box you can see india there's no reason why extremadura then or a poorer spanish region should not get the same doxygen powers in effect i think that's one of the strengths of the swiss model that's one of the reasons why

switzerland is such a wealthy country because poor regions can actually outcompete others by reducing taxes by offering an attractive environment to invest rather than relying on transfers because transfers of course as we have seen not only in spain but in italy you know country belgium even in germany are a terrible mess it's off boosting development so you could argue if you really care about spain and making. in spain economically stronger you need to go flora economic decentralization more let me ask you how much is all this going to affect the trajectory of the pro secession movement in the years to come. well actually they haven't moved much the difference is that they have divided themselves and there are many different than them sees us and as peter was saying

it's true that many people in spain is tired of what's happening in catalonia but i think that the army of people results are tired of the situation of course because we need to respond and there are many people who are independent these there are many people who are not and. we were saying here which would be the best solution i think it's in another step like if your schools ordinals to be independent from west bank this should be a debate that once we are here once we are discussing if has only one city in the same as now as on a whole most community or as a region or. comes on like in truth or honor or us alliance or for the rest on the real for the russian not like now because here we have article a 100 employees 55 which was imposing as alone so this would be another discussion farther on on side but right now what most of the independents who sparked this are

asking for is for. a consultation even if it's not binding and of course do my couch why do you want to do a consultation which is not a referendum if it's not binding of course it's for political reasons of course it's for negotiation. i was in east timor in 1990 and it was a consultation and i was there with the united nations and it was not binding you see more referendum in 1990 s. the old it had the political power so i think from here from qatar only a what people wants many people want in a consultation on the topic that doesn't mean that we will end up being independent or this would be the solution and i think most of the people what we want least myself for many people to start we have. solution we talk about the people that there is a real consultation and i think if it is us playing place it well if the rest of us

pennies the government overstaying of course because of their own is part of a thing if the rest of us then the government overspent place it well it was me. i would respond and. they need him in the u.k. with a scotland and also about the threshold if there was one of the to turn out your intellectual day here in qatar on the out last time they. yes it was our own turn out but nothing points out that the fact that the ones that didn't turn out where both import duties so and we had other elections with low turnout and no one question these other elections and also hear from the catalan government they try to postpone the elections but the catalan supreme court say that this was against the constitution and the right to vote so we have many discussions going on here i mean i'm not saying i'm agreeing with one or the other but i think the rest of us

spain and also the european union should be aware of the fact that there are big differences regarding the. dependents of at the loney or they're going to zation of the cattle and a situation christina let me also ask you about the issue of turnout because as mark mentioned turnout for this election was far lower than it was in 2017 you mentioned a few minutes ago is a concern that's growing throughout the country because of covered 1000 because of the pandemic from your point of view was the low turnout mostly because of fears of contracting the virus or were there other underlying issues. i think both there was of course fear of the virus but we can all say i think. it was very they will the election was very well organized we've seen how civic to population of catalunya has been how everyone was keeping all the measures and so and so there was no just

. a real justification for not going to vote just for 19 and also we have a very good postal system for voting so that it wouldn't be an excuse that i think there are there is be no that go home and on both sides and there i completely agree with mark it's been less participation in the independent growing dependence i thought also and mostly from the other side going back to a few years. that total support of pro independent parties have have got 600000 less votes than into previous elections that is that is what deflects these movies nation will mean also kind of pro independence size which is always more likely to to go to the polls and to to have let their moment peter what's the immediate impact of these election results and how long is it going to take negotiations now to try to form

a government how messy could this become or is it going to be a relatively easy. well the interesting thing is that one of the likely government parties e.r.c. is actually holds the keys to power roles the balance of power in madrid it's very important for the government of a little sunshine so so i can imagine this party will tell sanchez look we want a d.n.c. . and otherwise who will no longer support sudan and may have repercussions will instability of the spanish government the central government in . in madrid i think from outside of spain investors european union other capitals they basically will wait and see what happens i have the impression government is more open to engage with the continent nationalists

than then it's true disasters that bridges sisters have to see in practice if they actually are willing to make some material. concessions i do think that it's a weiss thing for foreign entities and countries to stay out of this i don't think the e.u. should. should side with any want this debate or the e.u. should get honest responses when people ask ok got through the joint u. right away but the answer is very simple some arrangement with spain will need to be found no matter what happens so it's incredibly important both sides talk and sit together and appreciate each other's point of view. knots trying to deny the sentiment in qatar pneumonia you know not trying to deny that some do not want to be independent and try to find at least that middle way and perhaps if you're

got the nationalists you can say look. maybe in 16 years we can get real independence but not this is no response line solution more let me ask you what do you think is going to happen going forward when it comes to the negotiations and also are you concerned that the region's parliament is only going to become more fragmented well in the. i'm not totally sure but what i saw from this one of their readings from these elections is that both brock's the parties that caught more balls were the ones that were more for negotiation like the socialist party in the sight of us being punished government not the spain because that one is by the west bank but in the sight of the spanish government and he got that on yet the r.c. scattered republican and both are the ones that have already the at the start of the negotiation they think that they start the to talk so. this is.

most probably e.r.c. will be will have the president the presidency of the of the catalan government they will be the present party with the presidency still the head of the government and but together with them they will have all their independent these parties maybe or the socialist party but before the elections they ringback already said that they will not make an agreement with the thought to have a government. because they are the king of the socialist party of bolting for article 155 which was the article of the spanish constitution that has been to move the cattle on a whole me so i think that the parliament will be you need these very divided but it still. we will have the government all right we're going to leave the

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