kenya. funny what is believed to be the roman equivalent of a wedding the museum has been uncovered beneath the ruins of pompei have a look at this a 4 wheeled chariot perfectly preserved for more than 2000 years before being found by italian archaeologists last month experts say the chariot was too big an ornate to be for everyday use wasn't said for festivities and parades most likely carrying newlyweds to their new homes. at half past the hour we will take you through the headlines one person's been shot dead in 1000000 miles largest city young go on as police use live rounds tear gas water cannon against the anti coup demonstrators mean miles been in chaos since very the 1st when the army seized power and detained the elected civilian leader and. more from tony chang he is monitoring the situation from bangkok in

neighboring time. headed out onto the streets at about 8 am local time they were met by the security services the police primarily but backed up by soldiers from the 77th light infantry and young gone. we understand there have been they pushed back very quickly we've seen some pretty atrocious scenes from across the country in yangon they moved back in the district under fire from tear gas rubber bullets and live ammunition it seems some pictures on social media showing protesters with severe injuries. the other headlines 47 pro-democracy activists in hong kong have been charged under beijing's controversial new security law dozens of people were ordered to report to police stations across the city on sunday officially charged with one count of conspiracy

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very rich of oil and gas now it has controversial plans to mine the seabed greenspan demigod to will they be moved taxes and the necessary austerity to pay it all passed on social media chiles cherry exports to china. counting the cost on al-jazeera. china's president says his country has won the war against the extreme poverty now it's just that you should being measured what does the announcement mean for xi jinping his legacy and the global economy this is inside story. hello and welcome to the show i'm sam is a than ending extreme poverty has been a key initiative of the chinese president since he came to power in 2012 almost

a decade later she jinping says his country has achieved a historic miracle his government says over an 8 year period nearly 100000000 people have been lifted out of destitution but critics are questioning china's bol for measuring poverty and the sustainability of the project has also been controversy around the timing of the announcement the country says it has been victorious over coronavirus and is preparing to lay out its plans for medium term growth next week that's while the pandemic is expected to push 150000000 people into extreme poverty globally this year and the communist party is getting prepared to celebrate its 100th anniversary president gigi ping is upbeat. shoot i love looking back with my great historic achievements in eliminating absolute poverty that had perplexed the chinese nation for thousands of years creating a miracle in the poverty reduction history of mankind looking ahead we are fighting

to realize our historic grand aspirations of building a modern socialist country you know it all round manna throat it is long and striving is the only way out when chinese media has held the president's role in ending poverty and in his remarks she jinping said it was the leadership of the communist party that made it possible. shushi treatment can mean upholding the party leadership has provided a staunch political and organizational guarantee for china's poverty reduction efforts facts of her return to the truth that the communist party of china has unraveled strong power of leadership only as the most reliable force leading and you know. and forging forward so as long as we are on swimmingly it here to the party leadership we can certainly overcome any difficulties and service for the aspirations for a better life and let's have a look at how china measures poverty compared to the rest of the world beijing

defines it stream poverty as earning less than $620.00 a year or $1.70 per day that's lower than the world bank's standard of 1 dollar 90 cents there's also the question of whether china should be considered rich poor or somewhere in between the world bank has set the poverty line for upper middle income countries at $5.50 on that basis nearly 30 percent of the chinese population still lives below the line and according to a recent report for the brookings institute china is only as well off as the u.s. was in the 1960 s. some experts say china has set a low bar on how it defines poverty more investment is still needed in the poorest areas. let's bring in our guest into the show we have joining us from beijing i met tang and he's a political analyst and advisors the china provincial government in shanghai than

wang chief economist at hang seng bank china and in washington d.c. yuki tatsu me co-director of the east asia program at the stimson center think tank welcome to you all if i could start with you key then other metrics china is using to measure extreme poverty the most accurate. i think that is really the fundamental question and depending on how you answer that question will determine how do we really celebrate chinese success or do we still in the i was still continue to be india wait and see mode especially until the chinese government comes out with a more sustainable plan to create upper income middle class how do you measure it then you can i think i would still go but i will thank them both and by then. that is what i would use and then i think i compared to that standard that set by the world bank i think i think i do it with some critics that that that suggests

that that perhaps the chinese government definition of the i should quality is lower than the a global standard or i could see i know shaking his head i think it was in disagreements all of that i mean the come in and tell us what is wrong with the world bank standards of $1.90 a day what is wrong in applying that to china. oh nothing at all but you know as an economist i'm sure you understand that there's something called you know purchasing power parity and the the the numbers that the chinese have put out this 170 is the 190 in terms of purchasing power parity with in china remember a $1.90 buys are very different things depending on what country you're it so you know that this is about extreme poverty so this idea about quibbling and saying well we haven't seen this we haven't seen that but i could see her who has done

this you know what large country has actually taken on extreme poverty and done even half of what this is that has done and by the you know her if you want to look to the world bank the world bank has knowledge china has extraordinary contribution to you know decreasing poverty worldwide i mean 87800000000 people over the since the opening up of this those it's a sign of between the clearly very difficult extreme poverty making great progress in combating extreme poverty which a lot of western institutions seem to recognize and completely eradicating any extreme poverty. well they have eradicated 6 are in poverty the question is and this is the gentleman you can say well what sustainability but you know when you're talking about 1400000000 people and you start getting down to the very nitty gritty i mean the people at the end when you have children they can't go out and earn an

income if they've been orphaned elderly people they've reached the point where they they need some sort of pension plan you have the mentally and physically disabled or challenge that we want to put it they also need help and the government has given subsidies to a company's in order to have them employed and create the accommodation necessary for them and in some cases where it isn't possible they have just simply you know given them payments no different from welfare payments and other parts country but bore it right martin lee they took on this whole thing by looking at individuals families villages and districts and doing what was necessary to do it sustainably now you can criticise and say well it's not high enough but who's doing more ok i know and i'm as sure of yourself what will come to sustainability we posed the question to you q let's quickly give you a chance to come back in on that before we go to dan yuki 1 dollar 90 doesn't buy

the same in rural china as it does in london does have a point when he says we can't look at you know a one size fits all when it comes to purchasing power parity now i think i do you know i do accept and. then he does have a point. even in the uk any even any united states that will go farther and some other country some other areas of the country than the others. so i am if you take the time to make just something remarkable yes i think that i think they did but then i think i would question and then of course we will talk about this later on this program is a source of pain ability of the program. and this progress and then also there are some i think up there are some some of the programs that the central government introduced asked the measure to cull or eradicate the complete what they call the eradication complete eradication of the action poverty that that has the greatest

concern quite frankly from the international community from a human rights perspective in terms like that you know. if people like the relocation of the relocation of the people like from a rule core area into over an area or the other wives and out there are there are critics who have pointed out the who have raised concern that that this little tension program has been also could be amusing to using to suppress my already run out in the arena where there is a look at the vision on the fence if you can't live somewhere you can't live somewhere where your accounting that somehow you know the government you know i'm i know my work there are resources in africa which is supporting rights that are not honest and let's give you 5 seconds to finish up with all and then maybe it's time to ring down i i i i'm i think i might i'm not quibbling with. what diana same but i'm just simply simply making our beliefs on the bible i was making the comment just the kind of thing i don't. right and i think. i think i'm just out here i just

would like to raise the point that there are there are some questions that are being asked and and also i just have to put it out there i would very much like to hear i'm a story personal experience says that he is in the possession of it by the provisional government in this issue. what some of the specific example that that person that he has been lost or i before we do that though those are good questions and you did say you want to put some questions out there we love questions on this show let's bring dan him out to try and answer some of those questions dan how has this ichiban been made whether we're talking about complete eradication or significant progress. as we heard from yuki other some questions to be raised as to how or the cost at which this achievement was made. there is a fiscal cost for sure but i think in china and this one thing very different from

developing economies or even most of the emerging markets is that there is a social consensus on the nesa city doing poverty reduction so we have seen it's not just the government doing this alone it is enterprises it's schools it is individuals even many banks as a foreign bank we also do our fair share of the poverty alleviation as well so gather together in all those powers together then that's how we achieve today. but when it comes to whether china has achieved on this eradication of poverty i think that's really missing the point because at this particular point of time of course we can argue that there is no more people living in absolute poverty but we know that a giant as a dynamic process and china's government knows that even more important point is that china has established this registration system all those people who are in

absolute. t. were registered and they were issued a card so they are constantly monitored and a given special attention so resources will be directed their way if they are pollen back into poverty trap again i think this admission into the system is self is quite a bigger achievement then to poverty line or whether we have achieve this goal at this particular point than it sounds like you're saying from here on forwards any fall into poverty should be corrected pretty quickly yes that is the goal because i have done my own fair share of. the poverty or when i was working 2 working with the chinese academy of sciences as agriculture economist i have done many surveys where the local farmers in many provinces including many of those people in absolute poverty so when i look at them many of them are actually having some sort of disability or do they were having some family tragedies or some sort of big

diseases what they needed was not equal opportunities in the market or even given them much shop where they really needed to have a government or some outside help diverse paying the substantial resources their way to give some on some basic housing basic medical coverage and that's a more important thing so once the monitoring system is set up they do get much faster help from either the government or are the advantages directly iran has from their helpful or right so they getting help more people are moving out the ranks of the poverty i'm a does that mean the middle classes are growing what does that mean overall for china's economy. well i mean the there's still a ways to go it getting rid of extreme poverty doesn't mean that you've conquered it totally and this is been recognized by the government in the next 5 year plan that they have already touted that they will be doing this rural revitalization which will take the place of poverty alleviation and this is really the vehicle

they intend to ride to get to that you know that purchasing power parity of the u.n. at about $550.00 per day per person so this is an ongoing you know process and i think the skepticism that you know somehow china's doing something bad or on order other suppressing human rights by simply making sure that people have enough to eat they have clothing they have housing and they have access to services i think that's really taking it too far if you want you know somebody wants to criticize it fine tell me who's doing more or better you know if it as i was saying earlier this idea that you should putting resources you know running roads electricity sewer water and all in schools and things like that to areas where it is not economically sustainable to be there the farmland is it isn't rich enough to support it just because people live there doesn't mean that they can have

a good life there and that's what they're doing now in terms of things i my specialty is economic development i don't know by the us you've made a good one there are other sustainability bear with me for us i want to bring you here in that is this sustainable u.k. and i think that is really the big question that everybody that's going and i am i am flight will get the call because that. creating that their middle class goals is a key to if china do well with is to a sustained a a current level of current level of the mature into the more of a developed country style economy and i just have not and i just think central government is about and now starting up that plan perhaps in the next couple weeks and i just well have to see what they are okayed that alright let me go back to i can see you're shaking your head again we we like different opinions of but i know briefly 20 seconds please if we give the floor to dan. you're get the announcement

next week the 3rd and 4th are the 2 sessions and you know this riser by kids you know you start our inner journey and about 110th of the way somebody says why are we there yet china has to continue on this road ok we'll see how the road does turn out dan does this achievement what does that mean for china's shall we say policy of trying to rely more on the mess the consumption rather than or and rely less on export driven economy does this announcement have implications for that policy. i don't think so the poverty reduction refers to really the bottom 10 or even bottom 5 percent of the population and that's a long way away from creating the fact of demand for china's economic growth in a normal year we're not talking about 2020 before 2020 china's growth was mostly

from domestic demand including muslin and consumption they accounted for about 90 percent of china's growth and foreign demand that is export only contributed to usually less than 10 percent so now we see that china has eradicated the absolute poverty not only means chinese government do not need to invest as much as before into living people out of the poverty trap but don't want to constantly roast what's more important is there's income redistribution so that economic growth in the past has shifted from coast to region to center in western china but when it comes to a 2nd round of income distribution that is one people getting employed they don't really get much help from the government i think that is the thing that needs to be strengthened or i talk about help from the government or talk about the government u.k. president xi has featured prominently in this announcement it's been presented as

his achievement do you see a desire to strengthen the president politically through this announcement. i think there is definitely there is definitely some desire on the part of leadership but look i think but my hope and i saw pointed out this eradicating poverty in china is not just his endeavor it has think 4040 years of the and ever since china chinese economy we can begin to open up and live our lives and then i think i think presidency definitely wants to make it one wants to wants to one must make this program to be his contribution to that the decide the case that is long goal as for the china as a nation. is that. a sign that should cause any concern about increasing moving increasingly towards or for a tarion ism moral for a tarion ism well i mean this is an old chestnut one said when he extended his term

that this is the beginning of an autocracy but you don't see him promoting his children or anything about family matters or trying to put in place people who are close to him to protect them you know it's a very difficult situation for him because he's brought about a tremendous amount of change and if you want to look at you know where the credit lies in 2016 they are there in the last 5 you're glad he was very very keen any he pushed very hard from the leadership point of view this idea that 2020 would be the time now that coincides with the 100 year of the $21.00 and the 100 year of the parties found and of course as a politician he wants to show that the party is necessary to the operation of his country and this is one of those areas where you're never going to get agreement between east and west west believes that the only legitimate government is one that

is by ballot box where there's free political expression and in the east it's more about the government providing the things like poverty or eradication in order to legitimize it so with the caveat i know of course there are plenty of countries in the east who believe in voting through the ballot box to put their leaders in of course show show you know that too let me let me put this question oh i can see sorry yuki's shaking her head now let's give her a chance apologies then we'll why don't you just quickly 20 seconds. yet no i just i just wanted to say when when i hear starting a west versus the no east if there's a color one color this is more about the war about the economic development program a chinese characteristic that they've been to leadership has the in about there are plenty of democracies anything who good government does provide for its people where it's all pete they're all people too as if they're their own leader in the in about and the about box then there are multiple parties competing with them ok than

what does a china how's that working with know or well i guess that can go on for the high on the bed with us then how does a china with no one or few in extreme poverty what does that china mean for the global economy. having and 1st are very positive signs and as we know as after depend damaged the global reliance on china has increased not decreased china has strengthened his ro as a center of the global supply chain how last year and many people was thinking about moving maybe diversifying supply and ching away from china but there are more thinking about maybe must be more in china so for china to be able to achieve the social goal something i was trying to more investments. i would think so because this shows the governing capacity and that's a very important the matter stability and the governing capacity we have seen what happened in the us the reason why rebooting on the economy is so difficult in the

us is that on the governing capacity was a compromise under donald trump so now people see more hope because somehow maybe there's more united there and in china this has already been achieved and they sacked haitian as the macro economy will be stabilizing for a long time and that is a positive sign for asked turn of the masters all right i want to ask i mean and now briefly before we have to wrap things up and try and give a final word to anna as well as yuki a china with that sort of economic outlook which dan was outlining does that mean it will find more opportunity to project itself politically globally as well oh absolutely in china's growing footprint has is a double edged sword as a grows larger there's more expectations globally about its role it has done part of that with our our c.e.p.t.

with the european union with the trade agreement with the belgian wrote initiative creating the asian infrastructure investment bank you're starting to see that but it's bumping up and there's natural frictions between an existing power and a rising power the question is you know how does the existing power view this are they open to the idea that there are different pass to prosperity or do they view with skepticism anything that doesn't follow in lockstep with its idea of how thing right all right and we've got one minute left yuki do you agree with that outlook. i think that is i think that he captured it right out i think we are in a very much of a slow a transition period and there are a lot with the shaken up still that a final thought on this everything or been talking about in terms of outlook how much can that be threatened by some demographic issues like the looming crisis of a shrinking working age population. i think this is the

most urgent issue for china to deal with but you know with china's increased influence globally this can be partially are resolved because in the future china will have a higher influence among about and root countries and in terms of getting more labor or those developing countries are good labor x. porters and we have african timing on joe and it can be extended substantially and in terms of trade investment and even importing will migrants into china to deal with china's all in a graphic problem on this has a very positive sign for china's future or i will leave it there let's thank our guests very much for their thoughts on that yuki our inner and then thank you to 4 g. you can see the show again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story can also join the conversation on twitter handle is act a.j.

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