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enough to change the mathematical equation. the army generals haven't backed up their words with tanks. and the opposition though noisy hasn't proven it has widespread support because passion yarn is in check but he's not yet in checkmate. brought in for a steelworker al-jazeera europe. time for a quick check of the headlines here on al-jazeera the un secretary general is calling for international action against myanmar as military for the most violent days since anti 2 protests began the army fired live rounds at a huge crowds across the country killing at least 18 people the un's human rights office described it as a worrying escalation. we're calling on the military to stop the use of force
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against peaceful protesters we are calling on them to release everyone who has been arbitrarily detained or the exercise or the rights to freedom of assembly expression exuding sense and she understand is going to be presented. we are also calling on the international community and all the actors had some well since we have the ministry of myanmar to step in and to apply as much pressure as they can to bring the sign instrument and efforts to revive the 2050 nuclear deal between iran and major powers have stalled the white house says is disappointed that iran is not ready to hold informal talks along with its european allies for iran's foreign ministry says it's too early to be back at the negotiating table to iran wants the u.s. to lift unilateral sanctions 1st. former u.s. president donald trump has hinted he may run for the white house again in 2024 but has no plans to start his own party so it's a repeat that is baseless claims of election fraud from made the comments in his
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1st public speech since leaving office on the final day of a conservative conference in florida the syrian military saying its air defense has responded to an israeli strike near damascus state media says miss elsworth slide from the golan heights but mostly intercepted in the vicinity of the capital there's been no official response from israel which rarely comments on strikes inside syria $47.00 pro-democracy activists in hong kong have been charged under a controversial security door imposed by beijing they're accused of participating in an unofficial election primary protest leaders of call for demonstrations outside the court on monday 363 refugees and migrants have been rescued in the mediterranean the humanitarian group see what carried out 5 rescue missions in a separate incident 15 people drowned off the coast of libya. so those are the headlines the news continues here on al-jazeera after up from the station thanks so much for that. 4 months ago violence erupted in ivory coast after
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a disputed presidential election now it's time to choose members upon a man on march 6th though to sconce that ballots could devote revive the food shoes of the main opposition and how will this affect the region the ivory coast on an entry election on al-jazeera has will wind up broken international law ducting in exile dissident last the country's justice minister. marc lamont hill and welcome to a special edition of up front this week's episode is a little different i speak to rwanda's justice minister johnston about the detention in trial of critic paul rusesabagina who became famous when the story of how he saved ethnic took over one does 1900 genocide was made into the hollywood
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film hotel rwanda he's now on trial and golly on terrorism related charges his case made international headlines not just because of the film but because of how his arrest happened the 66 year old who is a belgian citizen and u.s. resident mysteriously disappeared in dubai in august and showed up in handcuffs in the gali a few days later the victim he says of kidnapping. the justice minister steam mistakenly sent up front a one and a half hour long recording including a practice interview the minister did with his p.r. team on how to answer questions about recess a beginner's case in the car the minister reveals that prison authorities in rwanda have been intercepting and reading correspondence between was a beginner and his lawyer and that the intercepted a document that tipped them off to a possible escape plan we gave the minister the opportunity to come back on our program and discuss this and he has accepted we show you that 2nd interview in just
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a bit but 1st the interview the rwandan government wanted you to see this week's headlines from carly rwandan justice minister just interesting you. johnson thank you for joining me right up front. you very much for being with paul rusesabagina the well known dissident who's been living in exile was arrested in gali the rwandan capital in august after he got on a plane and thought he was going to burundi but he ended up in rwanda instead how did he get there. well over the looming one little thing clear that there is a case against paul rusesabagina even though of course it's running on some of the issues that. come with a court case or something to do say we would probably not. enter the details above them but what i nor the prosecution see as the. reasons i want to be now
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arrived in kigali only. a plane and he was arrested by one of the national police and handed over to investigation you say he appeared voluntarily are you saying that after living in exile being himself as an enemy of the state he decided to fly to rwanda on his own accord. well other than this interim toward again and we repeat again. there is a case in point one and i think this will be real or indeed in the courts a long. term projections of lawyers and so on but i have been told that he had. a friend who also participated in the same grim knocked of it is as he is charged with and then a friend was also the bottom of the criminal investigation that was weighing one team into a time and he mean and brought him to god but the risk would once to. be
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processed in the balance because as attorney general the republican would have ones to be talking about style which is some giudice absolutely i wouldn't expect you to delve too deeply into the specifics of an ongoing case but i'm sure you could respond at least to what your own president part of the army said he referred to the operation of getting mr was a beginner there as flawless what does that mean what is a flawless operation in this in this context. first of all right believe that the president told her that he was talking about. friend of he is bringing him up to kigali. if you know what i want you to go from his home in san antonio texas a solution god will let you know what to buy and. hold it was flawless i think that's what the president was talking about so are you suggesting because this is the this is where it gets interesting to me mr aris of again
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a last spoke to his family in dubai when he was in the airport he thought he was going to be a room to speak to pastors somehow according to him the flight lands and he's not in burundi he's in rwanda from where he's been in exile are you saying that the government had no role in luring or tricking him to rwanda. well he is. easy expense to get into bruni that's correct. and it's good to like just because one. just is i'll do one day a country has gone into exile out of but it was it's also a country looking for him one account of the crimes that he is allegedly immoral so not is a country that most probably is looking for him and if the there is a possibility of it through he's got money he got. done up
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mix there was the investigation and criminal prosecution much easier and i think that is what type of weapons it just that i can get a clear yes or no from you that the government play any role and getting him to rwanda. the government of libya who are in investigation crimes committed in the summer has to wonder the time it's that i just answered but. that's not my question my question is did the government play a role in tricking him or luring him to wander he thought he was going to burundi did the government play any role in the process that got him from that airport into rwanda. someone who was criminally responsible. accomplice with the. particular individual who was close to him and volunteered to turn him in if he was under an impression that one thing was going to happen and yet an entirely different thing happened that is to say if he thought
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he was going to burundi and he was tricked to coming into rwanda for an arrest yes do you see that as in line with or against international law this is known with international law it has been done to. us in the united states of america has done it many times i think it's where you going to get someone to tell you as long as you did not grab them. so your position as minister of justice is that if a person's tricked into an arrest of tricked into travelling into and into a country for an arrest that is perfectly legal that is your position. my position while are on the case is that the course will obviously minimal these things and it will be a subject of. debate in the courts from the prosecution under district so i would want the large part of this to be dealt with by the courts i don't want to make conclusions about it but what i see is that under international law and.
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when a country's i'm done would you consider this an example of enforced disappearance the reason i ask is because the convention against torture and other cruel inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment also known as the convention against torture. no one is to be sent to a country where there are substantial grounds for believing that they might be tortured or mis treated what do you make of their trust of war let me say that there is nothing like. my job and you wonder does not torture on the street and he says that he was bound for 3 days he says that he's been denied access to the proper medical treatment he's scared that he's going to die of a stroke because of his high blood pressure he has other receipts at risk for cold it he says he's been he's been denied access to his own attorneys who aren't allowed to communicate with him if we're talking about due process if we're talking about safety if we're talking about medical vulnerability it seems to me that this
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would satisfy the conditions of at least inhumane treatment how would it not well i don't believe the doctors or saw from his family. the interim his lawyer i don't know how do. you know which is where you say you have heard from his lawyer but he's saying that his lawyers have and his lawyers are saying that they haven't been given access to him that he was able to pick from the list that you all gave him but that his actual personal turns have been denied access to him but that is not correct to the core and to his boss and the lawyers defending the ones that. were given to him by the government. it was not correct when he arrived and one of the government has an obligation not to interview people without due them going to excess he joins us from our list has some knowledge was in the news bulletin you do it to new york times as well to the east i've forgotten about this about using his lawyers and when he doesn't want them to impose themselves on him but rather
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a lot and since there's a chance i think he said he spoke to the new york times that's true when he spoke to the times he was surrounded by armed police correct i do not think so i think there is nothing that stalked him from doing what he wanted to do i think his books and so the new york times and the only really and what i'm telling the new york times says they were plainclothes but that he was surrounded by police he also had it was in a fog about what happened for the 3 days where he couldn't figure out where he was or how we got there you could see how someone could at least interpret that as him being under duress but did you did you hear this story about how he talked to the new york times about what his intentions were where how he supports what happened in southwest and wonder how he says this is a wakeup call for wonder. who is what can and will not be destroyed in the future when you are under duress i don't think so i can't say but it seems it's an interesting question at least another question of course is his
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level of communication and the privacy of his communication with his attorneys has the sanctity of his private communications with his attorneys been protected. yes it does yes it has he has broken a communication he has his lawyers they visit him yours is a business with his i think you also raised the issue of his medical condition the business with his position. and i think there is no problem around with his legal. status and his medical condition again family medicines to him through the belgian embassy they've never been given to him again they're covered outbreaks in the prison he's obviously vulnerable but i don't want to lose this i'm just this question about the attorney are used again on the record are you saying that the one in government has not taken intercepted or otherwise violated the privacy of his communication with his lawyer is that is that is that the case no ok no he doesn't turn up and they would want would what i would
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think that has happened it will be raised in their court he has been has been appearing in. the tribune resident court and the courts will address to show that johnston was saying i thank you so much for joining us. thank you very very much i spoke to the minister a 2nd time here's what happened just simple saying a thank you for joining me again or an up front. thank you very much i want to ask you about the sanctity of communication between paul rusesabagina and his attorneys i want to play you some sound of what you said to your public relations advisers about this what happened was that or so i let me also say that in most jurisdictions. prisoners this is about you know finding out what is happening inside prisons including what the bottom what they are doing with it and so on and so forth so. it could be little or no comments i see good in them under the
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rules including minimum standards of management of prisons in the rules that will allow you to know what's happening and what's going on in the in people's in people's documents to who there was a document the other particular problem dr who even one of the one of those activities is carried out by the president authority is there one particular document reach out for suggest an s.k. which came from china or someone you know all the way into him so you're sitting there while there were are there are there were being engaged when the possibility of getting him to escape that one was was found by the prison authorities and also but it was also a $100.00 to someone you know so mr posting it you said the documents that could be privileged are being intercepted and read by prison authorities how can this be a fair trial if your government is reading the documents that could include mr risa begin his defense strategy for example. i think you very much she let me clear this
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. there are no one approaching a sign that says is an autonomous institution that has been. charged with money management on prisons secondly it is in charge of safety and security all prisoners or people who visit prisons or look at what are the kids around the prisons including the lawyers or government including. the one as another study shows us a rock prison security on sept is a puncture of their one directional sounds and as i just stayed secondly dishonesty will. destroy his communication between lawyers and their clients is protected by law or when what he has in the defense. team worse as a regular business team when they talk to here whenever they exchange or and on the
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documentation died these are privileged and that is protected so we have 2. functions here one the one hand they're going to turn aside his miss make sure there is safety and security there for prisoners and he does not know how to. you know records whatever they find unless there is an element of that requires them to report in a criminal process in a medical process or in some other process but it's under. just what i'm clear sir the prison is under your purview you they operate under your purview correct the ministry of justice is the surprising ministry yes so you have all the information the president gets about those documents calling privilege ones can be an order to you know i'm so in the eyes and looked down a lot who are they report who i'm sorry so who would be the recipient of will he points. well they do they need to do one come out their 6 come out sit down
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security general of the prison and that is they want that's where the stop does where does the beginnings of our security do it and that's where they start they don't report it to other institutions about what they find unless there is interest requires a lens to show that involvement including as i say it might be crime it might be many call it might be callous whatever it is but but you do not the law doesn't want to empower them to do what $25.00 and unless there is that kind of why why would a legal document need to be examined why would a private communication between a prisoner and their lawyer be a security concern. because he'd it wouldn't have to be. true but once let me ask you another. hypothetical question what if it was. going to skate i didn't want to. go really just care but i would be but what i'm saying is that what i say about an escape what i'm talking about legal communication between
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a prisoner and their lawyer you specifically said legal documents and in this case if we see mr aris doesn't begin as a legal communication between him and his attorney how is that a security concern. i saved illegal communication the communication between lawyer and client is protected by law and once to the margin because we are as a tory yesterday there is this real process going on i want to. continue to be cautious about what pronouncements i make because i do not wish to be. probably be said to be influencing their going to process but i say to them. communication between a lawyer and client is absolute they're protected by your us all of this broader what each of us on this says is in china no syrian security all of prisms you know across the country ok it was just a bit confusing to me yesterday i asked you you said pretty clearly that the
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sanctity of all of mr aris again is communications have been protected yet on the tape you very clearly say that legal documents have been examined how do you account for the difference between what you said yesterday and what you're saying to me now. i want to say to you i say legal documents communication between a lawyer and. is protected. not what you also said that you also said that they hadn't been read yesterday you said that they hadn't dissented had been violated and that the government had didn't look at the documents the prison is part of the government you are a government official the government has looked at his documents did you misspeak would you like to correct that well i'm really serious i mean i also said the direction asylum is and they sent it to you are some of their crucial messiahs untold amounts institution when you go to the government i don't understand exactly where you are you are heading into this not you're going to him to say that one of the find one of the. correctional scientists are your government officials or are
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you a government official yourself and they report to you you supervise them right. you know as to your listen to your government official and you supervise the prison abuse in the prison isn't connected to the government the prisons are to are going to be autonomous if you were they report to you i mean if they are joining us not only is the leaders themselves and ours and what to do and what to do and that's what i'm saying. ok i mean it to me what are you doing in terms of. their wants they do it for sedition and suggest unless it requires a name for a mental institution and when you look at the communications of mr aris as a beginner and his attorney and found no security concerns you then left it alone yes of course but you so you look at it sort of right but my point is the point is the fact that you looked at it is the problem if the autonomous institution doesn't need anyone to look at it there's no problem when you look at it then that suggests
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that he is being looked at when yesterday you told me they were not so that's the only thing that i that i'm not you able to reconcile excuse me you are talking about as you like. this ministry and i'm telling you the commission assigned this is an autonomous institution does its job search on security one was that is done they do not go out to the environment they see a what even in blockages they did packages on how to inspect those packages and understood i understand you clearly so let's let's move on at the center of the story is the fact that mr recess the beginning ended up arrested in rwanda after boarding a plane that he believed was bound for burundi how this happened has been somewhat of a mystery which i asked earlier this week but i want to play a clip of what you said to your advisers about this which was again somewhat different let's look. is it news that rwanda paid for the plane i've seen it suggested i haven't seen it i haven't seen a government person confirm that. the bits of hard information that you've
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been the 1st person to say be cautious about that because he's looking he's looking for something that they can put out a press release about the interview ever so looking for look at some hard stuff. but i think so you. know for example saying i have no idea who paid you do know who paid for the plane they transport it mr assessor beginning to wind the conversation you had with your advisors it was with what was written i just was who did tell me who did you tell your solicitor they don't know who i'm asking who who paid their government. so the government paid for the plane that transported him yesterday in our conversation what you suggested to me understand you correctly was that the government didn't play a role in transport in getting him here right the i told you listen to tony
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littleton there is. coors operating with a sense of you know for a long time there was an interest in our public investigation criminal investigation department who accepted done. and they've been married to was to facilitate the transportation oh. they're all the good it was a 2 part series or. plan of the smile and the transport was as i'm going to one of the government did not. ringback create a war in transporting him it was suggesting this gentleman who wanted to bust but to bring him to one so essentially the government paid for someone else to trick mr recess to begin it to come into wonder. yes and you acknowledge that mr was a beginner did not know that he was coming into rwanda he was tricked and you're saying the government didn't organize the plan they simply paid for the plane that got him there well he was he was he was brought in to wander by someone who was
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going to come to want it wouldn't you exactly what was going one on one he was where they were of course if you didn't come here he was on his way to rudely you as he was transported to one of my gentleman and which is a marine this is a well on a plane that the government paid for so in light of that now that you've had a moment to reflect on this the government paid for a plane that led to the transport of someone again without their knowing and certainly against their will into a country that they are not citizens of for the purpose of a. legal proceeding can you see how that would be seen as an illegal extradition process one let me let me say one 'd of the scenes that we tend not to go into is this model because it is much of what i know is a total yesterday i know you want to be cautious about what i'm doing a lot and says attorney general because it might become. you know your interpretation does interesting because of course but let me tell you that in
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international criminal law or. even be able to walk into a list as well you can be brought to justice as husband and husband in many islanders addictions is it legal. yes it is so you're saying that this does not violate international vention for the protection of all persons from and force disappearance you're saying that this does not does not violate the convention against torture cruel inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment you say no international law has been violated in what happened of getting mr aris again a from dubai a into into a one is that is that your position. conclusions in that direction because as i told you i don't want to be interfering in the process.
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