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filmmaker made history by becoming the 1st woman of asian descent to win the award for best director this was for her film nomad land also the black panther star chadwick boseman won a posthumous golden globe for best actor in a drama film he won the award for his role as a former player in the film madre needs black daughter died of colon cancer last year at the age of 43. this is al jazeera these are the headlines prosecutors in maine ma have filed 2 new charges against deposed leader unsung suchi police in yangon have been firing tear gas and stun grenades again at the anti to protest it's a scene of them were killed on sunday. with me from bangkok. one thing that's interesting we were seeing a little bit more of a defensive posture or defensive maneuvers i should say by the protesters they've built more fortified barricades to try to keep those advancing security forces back
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at bay we're seeing more shields more steel metal shields that they're using but again you know when you talk about military force you talk about a police force those can only do so much and again we're seeing an aggressive posture from the security forces. now $47.00 activists and former politicians are in court in hong kong after being charged under the national security law the latest group of government critics to be detained under the law imposed by beijing ethiopians inauthentic in a region of told al-jazeera civilians were tortured and killed by every trained soldier. follows a report from amnesty international accusing ever trained troops of committing rights abuses in. efforts to salvage the 2050 nuclear deal between iran and major world powers have stalled the white house is disappointed that iran has ruled out informal discussions with its european allies iran's foreign ministry says it's too
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soon to return to the negotiating table as it wants the u.s. to make the 1st move and lift economic sanctions israeli prime minister is blaming iran for an attack on a cargo ship israeli owned vessel was damaged by an explosion in the gulf of oman on friday a blast that left holes in the hull of the ship now docked in dubai benjamin netanyahu wouldn't be drawn on direct retaliation iran's foreign ministry denies involvement in the syrian military says its air defense has responded to an israeli strike near damascus state media say the missiles were fired from the occupied golan heights but most were intercepted in the vicinity of the capital and the philippines has begun vaccinating its population against code 19 the 1st batch of the chinese made sign of back vaccine arrived on sunday the philippines is the 2nd worst hit country in southeast asia those are the headlines on al-jazeera up front is next. is there
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a screw tell us all really keys were supposed to compensate for the use we listen to the only music you do is. the most beautiful music in the world in silence meet with news makers and to the stories that matter 0 has a one to broken international law ducting an exiled dissident last the country's justice minister. marc lamont hill and welcome to a special edition of up front this week's episode is a little different i speak to rwanda's justice minister johnston about the detention in trial of critic paul rusesabagina who became famous when the story of how he saved ethnic tootsies to rwanda in 1904 genocide was made into the hollywood
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film hotel rwanda he's now on trial and golly on terrorism related charges his case made international headlines not just because of the film but because of how his arrest happened the 66 year old who is a belgian citizen and u.s. resident mysteriously disappeared in dubai in august and showed up in handcuffs and golly a few days later the victim he says of kidnapping the justice ministers team mistakenly sent up front a one and a half hour long recording including a practice interview the minister did with his p.r. team on how to answer questions about recess to begin its case in the car the minister reveals that prison authorities in rwanda have been intercepting and reading correspondence between recess a beginner and his lawyer and that the intercepted a document that tipped him off to a possible escape plan we gave the minister the opportunity to come back on our program and discuss this and he has accepted. we'll show you that 2nd interview in just
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a bit but 1st the interview the rwandan government wanted you to see this week's headlines from carly rwandan justice minister johnson boosting it. johnson thank you for joining me on upfront. you very much for being with paul rusesabagina the well known dissident who's been living in exile was arrested in the rwandan capital in august after he got on a plane and thought he was going to burundi but he ended up in rwanda instead how did he get there. well over the looming one little thing clear that there is a case against paul rusesabagina even though of course it's running on some of the issues that. come with a court case there are some who do say we would probably not. enter the details above that but what i nor the prosecution see is the. whole reason why he
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now arrived in kigali only. a plane and he was arrested by one of the national police and handed over to investigation you say he appeared voluntarily are you saying that after living in exile being himself as an enemy of the state he decided to fly to rwanda on his own accord. well other than this interim toward again and we repeat again. there is a case in point one and i think this will be. in the courts a long. term projections of lawyers and so on but i have been told that he had. a friend who also participated in the same grim not devitt is as he is charged with and then a friend was also the bottom of the criminal investigation that was weighing one team into a time and he mean and brought him to god but the risk would wants to. be
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processed in the balance because as attorney general the republican would have wanted to be talking about style which is subject to see absolutely i wouldn't expect you to delve too deeply into the specifics of an ongoing case but i'm sure you could respond at least to what your own president part of the army said he referred to the operation of getting mr was a beginner there as flawless what does that mean what is a flawless operation in this in this context. first of all right believe the. president told me i was talking about. friend of he is bringing him up to kigali. if you know what i want you to go from his home in san antonio texas a solution god will let you know where to buy and. hold until it was flawless i think that's what the president was talking about so are you suggesting because this is this is where it gets interesting to me mr aris of again
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a last spoke to his family in dubai when he was in the airport he thought he was going to be room to speak to pastors somehow according to him the flight lands and he's not in burundi he's in rwanda from where he's been in exile are you saying that the government had no role in luring or tricking him to rwanda. well he is. easy expense to get into bruni that's correct. and it's good to like just because one. just is i'll do one day a country has gone into exile out of but it was it's also a country looking for him not a count of crimes that he is allegedly immoral in. his account of the most probably he's looking for him and if the there is a possibility of it through he's got money he got he been done up
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mix there was the investigation and criminal prosecution much easier and i think that is what type of weapons it just that i can get a clear yes or no from you did the government play any role and getting him to rwanda. the government who are in the investigation crimes committed in the summer has to wonder the chance that i just. said that's not my question my question is did the government play a role in tricking him or luring him to wander he thought he was going to burundi did the government play any role in the process that got him from that airport into rwanda. someone who was criminally responsible. accomplice with him and particular individual who was close to him and turn him in if he was under an impression that one thing was going to happen and yet an entirely different thing happened that is to say if he thought he was going
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to be and he was tricked to coming into rwanda for an arrest yes do you see that as in line with or against international law this is known with international law it has been done before the. us in the united states of america has done it many times i think it's where you going to get someone to tell you as long as you did not grab them. so your position as minister of justice is that if a person's tricked into an arrest of tricked into traveling into and into a country for an arrest that is perfectly legal that is your position. my position all around the case is that the course will obviously minimal these things and it will be a subject of. debate in the courts from the prosecution under district so i would want the large part of this to be dealt with by the courts i don't want to make conclusions about it but what i see is the under international law and.
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when a country's i'm done would you consider this an example of enforced disappearance the reason i ask is because the convention against torture and other cruel inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment also known as the convention against torture. no one is to be sent to a country where there are substantial grounds for believing that they might be tortured or mis treated what do you make of their trust of war and he said there's nothing like. my job and you wonder does not torture on the street and he says that he was bound for 3 days he says that he's been denied access to the proper medical treatment he's scared that he's going to die of a stroke because of his high blood pressure he has other risk is at risk for cold it he says he's been he's been denied access to his own attorneys who aren't allowed to communicate with him if we're talking about due process or for talking about safety if we're talking about medical vulnerability it seems to me that this
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would satisfy the conditions of at least inhumane treatment how would it not well i don't believe the doctors or saw from his family. in the interim his lawyer i don't know how did. you know which. you say you have heard from his lawyer but he's saying that his lawyers haven't he has lawyers are saying that they haven't been given access to him that he was able to pick from the list that you all gave him but that his actual personal turns have been denied access to him but that is not correct so that's not correct to his boss and the lawyer defending him and the ones that. were given to him by the government. it was not correct when he arrived and one of the government has an obligation not just to interview people without giving them out says dr tuan it's he joins us from our list has some knowledge was in the news brought a new deal to new york times today just i've forgotten about this about using his lawyers and when he doesn't want them to impose themselves on him but right now
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a lot and since. you said he spoke to the new york times that's true when he spoke to new york times he was surrounded by armed police correct i do not think so i think there is nothing that stalked him from doing what he wanted to do i think his books and so the new york times and the extremely really and what i'm telling the new york times says they were plainclothes but that he was surrounded by police and also had it was in a fog about what happened for the 3 days where he couldn't figure out where he was or how we got there you could see how someone could at least interpret that as him being under duress but did you did you hear this story about how he talked to the new york times about what his intentions were where how he supports what happened in southwest and wonder how he says this is a wake up call for wonder. who is what can and will not be destroyed in the future when you are under duress i don't think so i can't say but it seems it's an interesting question at least another question of course is his
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level of communication and the privacy of his communication with his attorneys has the sanctity of his private communications with his attorneys been protected. yes it does yes it has he has broken the communication he has his lawyers they visit him yours is a business with his i think you also raised the issue of his medical condition the business with his position. and i think there is no problem around with his legal. status and his medical condition again family sent medicines to him through the belgian embassy they've never been given to him again they're called outbreaks in the prison he's obviously vulnerable but i don't want to lose this i'm just this question about the attorney are used again on the record are you saying that the one in government has not taken intercepted or otherwise violated the privacy of his communication with his lawyer is that is that is that the case ok no it doesn't happen and they would want would what i would
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think that has happened it will be raised in their court he has been has been appearing in. the tribune resident court and the courts will address to show that johnston was saying i thank you so much for joining us. thank you very very much i spoke to the minister a 2nd time here's what happened johnson will sing a thank you for joining me again or an up front. thank you very much i want to ask you about the sanctity of communication between paul rusesabagina and his attorneys i want to play you some sound of what you said to your public relations advisers about this what happened was that or so i let me also say that in most jurisdictions. prisoners this is about you know finding out what is happening inside prisons including what the bottom what they are doing with it and so on and so forth so. it could be little or no comments i see good in them under the
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rules including minimum standards of management of prisons in the rules that will allow you to know what's happening and what's going on in the in people's in people's documents to who there was a document there was a particular problem dr who even one of the one of those activities is carried out by the president or it is there one particular document reach out for a suggested this case which came from their child or someone you know all the way into him so you're sitting there while there were are there are there were being engaged when the possibility of getting him to escape that one was was found by the prison authorities and also but it was also a $100.00 to someone you know so mr posting it you said the documents that could be privileged are being intercepted and read by prison authorities how can this be a fair trial if your government is reading that documents that could include mr risa begin his defense strategy for example. i think you very much she let me say
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this. there are one or actually a sign that says is an autonomous institution that has been. charged with money management on prisons secondly it is in charge of safety and security all prisoners or people who visit prisons or look at what are the kids around the prisons including the lawyers who are going in including. the one as another study shows us iraq prison security and seventy's punctured all their wonder trauma sounds and as i just stayed secondly dishonesty will. destroy us communication between lawyers and their clients is protected by law or what when and what indeed if as. a team when we says are in a business seemed when they talk to him whenever they exchange and on the
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documentation died these are privileged and that is protected so we have 2. functions here one the one hand they're going to turn aside his missed make sure there is safety and security there for prisoners and it does not amount to. you know records whatever they find unless there is an element that requires them to report in a criminal process in a medical process or in some other process but it's under duress a lot of justice just as i'm clear sir the prison is under your purview you they operate under your purview correct the ministry of justice is the surprising ministry yes so you have all the information of the prison gets about those documents including privilege ones can be noted to you know i'm so in the eyes and looked down a lot who are they report who i'm sorry so who would be the recipient of the he points. well they do their duty to do what come out their city come on sit down
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securities or all of them prison and that is they want us where the stock does where does the beginnings of our security do it and that's where they start they don't report it to other institutions about what they find unless there is interest it requires a lens to show that involvement including as i say it might be crime it might be many call it might be callous whatever it is but we do not all the law doesn't want to empower them to do what $25.00 and unless there is that kind of why why would a legal document need to be examined why would a private communication between a prisoner and their lawyer be a security concern. because he'd it wouldn't have to be concerned but once let me ask you another. hypothetical question what if it was. going to skate but do you want to. go over to just skip that will be but what i'm saying is that what i say about an escape what i'm talking about legal communication between
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a prisoner and their lawyer you specifically said legal documents and in this case if we see mr aris as a beginner's legal communication between him and his attorney how is that a security concern. i saved illegal communication the communication between lawyer and client is protected by law and wants to be managed. because we are as i told you yesterday there is this real process going on i want to. continue to be cautious about what pronouncements i make because i do not wish to be quoted on that and i'm probably be said to be influencing they're going to process but i say the. communication between the lawyer and client is absolute they're protected by law us all of this one are going to show no sign of this as is in china of syrian security or of prisons across the country ok it was just a bit confusing to me yesterday i asked you you said pretty clearly that the
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sanctity of all of mr aris again is communications have been protected yet on the tape you very clearly say that legal documents have been examined how do you account for the difference between what you said yesterday and what you're saying to me now. when i say to you it's a legal document communication between the lawyer and client is protected and everybody got not given what you also said that you also said that they hadn't been read yesterday you said that they hadn't dissented had been violated and that the government had didn't look at the documents the prison is part of the government you are a government official the government has looked at his documents did you misspeak would you like to correct that well i'm really serious i mean i also sent the correction assignments and they sent it to you are some of their crucial messiahs untold amounts institution when you go to the government i don't understand exactly where you are you are heading into this not you're going to be in to save the right of the finder while the. correctional scientists are your government officials or
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are you a government official yourself and they report to you you supervise them right. you're still you're going to your government official and you supervise the prison because in the prison isn't connected to the government the prisons are to are going to be autonomous if you were they report to you i mean if the outro must mean the leaders themselves and ours and what to do and what to do and that's what i'm saying and those of those are ok i mean it will mean what are you doing in terms of . their wants to do it for sedition and situation unless it requires a name for a woman or another institution and when you look at the communications of mr issa beginner and his attorney and found no security concerns you then left it alone yes of course but you so you look at it sort of right but my point is the main point is the fact that you looked at it it is the problem if the autonomous institution doesn't need anyone to look at it there is no problem when you look at it then that
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suggests that he is being looked at when yesterday you told me they were not so that's the only thing that i that i'm not you able to reconcile excuse me you are talking about as you like. this ministry and i'm telling you the core issue aside this is an autonomous institution does its job of center and security one was that is done they do not go out to the environment they see a lot even in blockages they did packages on how to inspect those packages and understood i understand you clearly so let's let's move on at the center of the story is the fact that mr was said to begin ended up arrested in rwanda after boarding a plane that he believed was bound for burundi how this happened has been somewhat of a mystery which i asked earlier this week but i want to play a clip of what you said to your advisers about this which was again somewhat different let's look. is it news that rwanda paid for the plane i've seen it suggested i haven't seen it i haven't seen a government person confirm that. of hard information that you
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made the 1st person to say be cautious about that because he's looking he's looking for something that they can put out a press release about the interview ever so looking for look at some hard stuff. but i think. so you. know for example saying i have no idea who you do know who paid for the plane that transported mr assessor beginner to wind the conversation you had with your advisors was where were they not just those who did tell me who did you tell your solicitor they don't know i'm asking who paid their government. so the government paid for the plane that transported him yesterday in our conversation what you suggested to me understand you correctly was that the government didn't play a role in transport in getting him here right the i told you listen to i told you
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that there are always us and who are as operating with us as our you know for a long time there wasn't an interest in our public investigation criminal investigation department who accepted dungeon and brave men who was to facilitate their transportation oh. they were all of the good it wasn't a percentage under. the plan of the smile and the transport was as i'm going to wonder the government did not. play a war in transporting him it was suggesting this judge a man who wanted to bust but to bring him to one so essentially the government paid for someone else to trick mr recess to begin it to come into a wanderer. yes and you acknowledge that mr was a beginner did not know that he was coming into rwanda he was tricked and you're saying the government didn't organize the plan they simply paid for the plane that got him there well he was he was he was brought in to wander by someone who was
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willing to come to wonder wouldn't you exactly what was going one on one he was where you were of course if you didn't come here he was on his way to rudely you as he was transported to one of my gentleman and which is a very is a well on a plane that the government paid for so in light of that now that you've had a moment to reflect on this the government paid for a plane that led to the transport of someone again without their knowing and certainly against their will into a country that they are not citizens of for the purpose of a. legal proceeding can you see how that would be seen as an illegal extradition process one let me let me say one of the scenes that we tend not to go into is this minor because it is much of what i know is a total yesterday i know you want to be cautious about what i'm doing in the audience as attorney general because it might become. you know your interpretation
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does interesting because of course but let me tell you that in international criminal law or. even be able to walk into a list as well you can be brought to justice as husband and husband in many islanders addictions is it legal. yes it is so you're saying that this does not violate international vention for the protection of all persons from and enforced disappearance you're saying that this does not this does not violate the convention against torture cruel inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment you saying no international law has been violated in what happened of getting mr aris as a beginner from dubai into into a one is that is that your position. wants to make conclusions in that direction because again as i told you i don't want to be interfering in the process.
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