it's a change so space x. is trying to achieve something that we've never done before as a human race so by trying to create a rocket that able to not only all bit but come back and return and land and be simple and as you can probably imagine they're at heart and having things that are useable it's very helpful you can match and if you're caught with one essentially it be a very expensive time trying to get anyway and that's the same when it comes to space industry you want things that every useable and sustainable so production that is the ultimate go. this is all just everything's at the top stories the latest u.s. house of representatives session has been counseled reportedly because of fears of an attack security is being ramped up since dawn of time supporters to storm the capitol building in january democratic representative tom abbas says there are a number of reasons those 2 session was called off but security was in mind i think

that it was easier for us to just go ahead and get all of our business done as you know tomorrow begins the republican issues conference and so i think that there were a multitude of reasons but i do have to acknowledge the fact that many of my colleagues and staff and maybe even some of you who were there during the insurrection people are deeply concerned about what potential threats could be out there and it's not just threats here but it's coming here it's we all live out in the community and so you have heard already from the capitol police that threats are up 90 percent to members of the house so i think it's reasonable that we just went ahead and finished our work. if you know it's been held in may and more for one of the 38 demonstrators who died on weapons train across the country defiant protesters are back on the streets after one of the most violent days of the zones has cracked. the saudi allied coalition fighting in yemen says it's destroyed

a ballistic missile fired into the kingdom's territory by the rebels so the media says the missile was launched towards designs south of the country and who does the rebels has said they shot a missile at a saudi oil facility in the city of jeddah most of saudi's oil facilities are located in the east more than a 1000 kilometers from jeddah international criminal court is an opening investigation into alleged war crimes in the palestinian territories it says it's going to take a nonpartizan approach into possible crimes by both israel and palestinian groups the us president says a move by 2 states to ease coronavirus restrictions is a big mistake the governors of texas and mississippi are lifting nearly all measures from next week despite warnings from health officials all businesses can reopen no one's going to have to we're a mosque those are the headlines coming next on al-jazeera it's inside story by. should americans. be

a bad idea they don't care about their work is all they care about is making money . out of the calling. the bottom line on u.s. politics and policies and their effect on the world. arson covert 1000 facts seems better than others in france and germany people are taking up the pfizer shots but shunning astra zeneca is offering health experts say we shouldn't pick and choose so who is right this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program i'm rob matheson now more countries are proving different covert 1000 vaccines to try to control the pandemic the drug makers are touting varying levels of protection for example pfizer and madonna say their shots

worked on 95 percent of the people who received them in a clinical trial oxford astra zeneca reported about 70 percent that has led to a belief that some vaccines are better than others france's health ministry says only a quarter of the astra zeneca vaccines it's received have been used in germany 2 thirds of its 1400000 viles are still in storage and some sitting say people are canceling their appointments in favor of pfizer but on monday france changed its original advice so those over the age of $65.00 could receive the astra zeneca job germany is under pressure to follow suit included norman actually we should make astra zeneca available for everyone as quickly as possible and not in 4 or 6 weeks and every new vaccine on the market should be put into a system to speed up vaccinations i would make additional doses of astra zeneca

available immediately through general practitioners no vaccine must be left sitting around in germany or some health experts say we should focus on the number of people in hospital and the death toll instead of the so-called effectiveness percent of a particular vaccine this tweet by the dean of the brown university school of public health has been shared thousands of times he says no one who has received a job in a clinical trial has died or been taken to hospital. well real world studies suggest any vaccine will prevent serious illness in scotland the astra zeneca job reduce the number taking up hospital beds by 94 percent israel which has inoculated the most people per capita found last month that only 0.04 percent of those given jobs developed covered 19 india's health ministry says no deaths have been linked to the vaccine and in the us the top infectious disease official is urging all americans to get whichever vaccine is available all 3 of them are really quite

good and people should take the one that's most available to them if you go to a place and you have j.n.j. and that's the one that's available now i would take it i personally would do the same thing i think people need to get vaccinated as quickly and as expeditiously as possible and if i would go to a place where they had j.n.j. i would have no has to didn't see whatsoever to take it. ok let's bring in our guests from oxford samantha vandersloot is a social science research are the oxford vaccine group and barcelona geoffrey last of us is the head of the health systems research group at the barcelona institute for global health and with us from gun talk in the indian state of sick in the secret chettri as a medical doctor and member of unesco's international bioethics committee welcome to the program thank you very much indeed for being with us geoffrey there's been a difference of course between people hesitating to get the vaccine and people

refusing to get the vaccine but in the short term the result is pretty much the same why is this such public uncertainty about some of these vaccines. well there is a lot of myths circulating there's also some concerns about this speed in which the vaccines were were approved so we try to explain that the process was able to go quickly for a number of reasons including a high uptake in disappears in the clinical trials careful oversight rolling reviews by the regulatory agencies and so there's a there's a you know as you mentioned there's a group that's hesitating but it very much smaller group that actually fusing to get vaccinated so a month as i was just talking about there the media has focused a lot on this so-called efficacy level of vaccines but experts of are saying that we should be looking at the 0 or close to 0 hospitalizations and the death tolls to

judge those vaccines how much is that influenced the way that the public at large is viewing these vaccines. i think that's right and the problem is the efficacy levels from the trial are part of the things are get taken away by the public so if you're looking at different vaccines and compare and you have those numbers in mind and it does need to the scale of the one vaccine is better than the other is just maybe not the case that you can make these kind of comparisons about trial data and we know that all of the vaccines that have been approved for emergency use are stuck in these costs so i said they own and stones and death so they're stopping transmission also and it really just points to take in the vaccine that's off the t.v. and not pick and choose and the 2nd is not just about 4 figures a little that though is it because i understand that in india there was a company called biotech to develop his own vaccine called kovacs and no it was if

i understand it correctly it was given emergency approval by the government there were no details initially given about the effectiveness rates how much do you think a lot and a patent lack of transparency is contributing to people's suspicion of vaccines get transparency level is of course the major determining factor but then again even the current biotech's vaccine was approved the emergency use it was very elaborately of the liberal in the government for looting the site effects off does our current buy a shield vaccine which is called action and also the 2nd vaccine was developed by serum institute which is known as i received a huge shorts and if you visit the government portal off india you will see that alongside these 2 vaccines have been please log their site it thinks so the drums being so level is quite adequate yes but to the masses not because i come from such a country rare not everybody has access to internet and government portals so the

transparency level is limited only to a sudden strata of the society who have access to internet and the portals and that sort of literacy level but to the masses so yes this lack of transparency not exactly but the lack of propagation of the scene is playing in fact is being who in the hesitancy of actions in india. given the fact that almost all the vaccines that are that are being offered at the moment have if i understand it correctly just a couple of month's worth of data that is being provided so they can be provided they can be put forward for emergency approval the long term effects of all these vaccines we don't really know even the pharmaceutical companies don't really know about that how do you get the public. to trust an unproven vaccine really in any medicine in fact yes when the medications which have just come into use dentists they for example i do goldman and it's use that we do know it's not

the long term the sex but in the health and in medicine what we do is we always read the rules and the codes and at this juncture the rules of the facts are not definitely much much much more than once it is obviously better to keep a shot at detecting ourselves from paul that than dying from it so i feel we as health care workers should lead by example you know and we should educate the public as much as possible about the trials that have been done about the side effects so far as much as being the most knowledge is the best counter down defeat that is what i believe so you know we can give them as much knowledge as we can and about the long term side effects see we do know that there are short term side effects but we don't know you also have this much that that there are good light chutney long term site exactly the way the vaccines were who. jeffrey which we don't know does. jeffrey i just want to ask you i mean the perception of covert itself. obviously we had al-jazeera been covering that story for ever since it

began well over a year ago the images that come to me predominantly are of crowded i.c.u. beds around the world of. health stuff medical stuff under tremendous pressure but the stories of individuals being affected the way that code that actually affects the individuals are far fewer those images are not as strong do you think that that has an impact on the way that people perceive covert and subsequently therefore perceived the need to get a vaccine i do think you know when medications vaccines are promoted we tell individual stories here it's really been the story of protecting the health system protecting society but we need to emphasize that individuals have been greatly affected long cold it is a very serious issue and i think it's important now to start telling the story of

what it's like for people who who are on respirators responding to for 6 weeks or longer in a hospital the impact on them personally and their life and on their families and there's thousands tens of thousands hundreds and thousands and now millions of individual stories and those are no well known to people you know that well it might not affect me or it only be like. a couple of days which is difficult to breathe but what we do know that most long term effects are serious adverse events for accede occur very early on that we don't know is the long term effects and the contract could it not think that's a story that really needs to be told and emphasized samantha we're hearing that the polish health minister is just saying that he doesn't recommend using the chinese covert vaccine at the moment because of a lack of data how much do you think the stereotypes and geopolitics play a role into the apartment effectiveness our next acceptance of certain vaccines.

i think these stereotypes are playing a role but on the other side i think. heaven data been made openly available especially it's very pair of you publication and other ways that make in this information widely accessible will. increase the trust in the vaccines that are coming out. jeffrey we were. i was saying earlier on that one of the problems that she faces in india is the fact that not everybody has access to the internet in much of the as in other parts of the world and therefore getting information reliable that information can be very difficult it tends to rely on word of mouth which presents an enormous problem isn't it because you're relying on the people's assumptions about the vaccine rather than the actual data that samantha was zeus' mentioning there how do you get round that how do you turn that

focus onto the reliability of the data and away from hearsay. but we really need a massive campaign and this needs to be led by the government and its health authorities and that means rechy every home possible with letters with pamphlets explaining the vaccines and explaining those that have been approved by the regulatory bodies that they are safe if they've been approved that it won't be long term effects other than protecting you against against a virus so it's really about a grassroots campaign but led led by the government and all of the health care professionals possible so doctors nurses other health care professionals explain it but it's really about reaching it but home it's about having government officials and other health officials on t.v. regularly in the newspapers explaining this particularly to those as you mentioned

good access to the internet or other kinds of technologies so you can always say that that that is something that you agree with but i understand that in certain parts of asia of course there have been health teams who've been attacked when they've attempted to go into villages and certainly at least in the early stages when they've been trying to disseminate this information people have been very suspicious that is putting again health workers at the center of this and at great risk and it's a balancing act isn't it isn't it trying to get the information out how important that information is but at the same time not risking the lives of the health workers the what i feel less at this juncture health workers rather it comes to treating the patients all propagating the information replay a very major and it comes with risks but also if the information comes from us people will automatically as you make to be more accountable. so i think that is what you can risk because it is for the greater good and right now as those of you

are talking about the propagation of vaccines i would like to once again steve on international media quoting my guru and. modern medicine to be a doctor for cheap that we need at least 75 percent off the global population to be you know infected on back to need to in order to develop herd human indeed so we also need to put it across that it is not only for you as an individual to be protected as from good but it is also worth the social responsibility beyond being part of history as being written and all of you have a chance to be a part of the cure by participating in the vaccination great and by helping us develop her duty so it is also a social responsibility of this information also needs to be instilled in the minds of people so that they become more accepting to it's the idea of vaccination as a whole and this information coming from health care workers of course is going to be taken in but more accountability and just as compared to our lives so i feel yes

there is risks there are a lot of side effects and ones that we will have to freeze but we should go ahead and do it with bravery and courage because it is far far greta greta good and some other parts of the world of course which are limited in the number that they alternatives of vaccines that they have available to them and therefore they're restricted to just taking the vaccine that they're being given by the government there are other parts of course which do have this variety which is allowing people to delay making a choice on making a choice to delay getting the vaccine because they don't buy one vaccine as it was perhaps happening in the early days in france they they were prefer to take another vaccine what are the risks though of having. that that choice become a negative when people are delaying and delaying because they don't get the vaccine that they actually want and yet covert is still marching on. i would echo what everyone has been saying and the best way to protect yourself and also bring

bring an end to the pandemic will be to accept the vaccine that you often see. and with the new parents sutta are covered up this is the best way that we can protect ourselves and everyone else by really picking and choosing them and trying to decide which is the best vaccine will only delay that. will cause more problems in the future jeffery as i was mentioning there dr fauci in the us has said that a minimum level of 75 percent is needed in order to be able to ensure that we're on top of covered 19 certainly in the u.s. but obviously across the world as well but what are the risks do you think that enough people are going to hesitate to take a vaccine or indeed not take a vaccine the toll that we may not reach that 75 percent point that in fact we are going to elongate covered 19 for a much much longer period of time. but right now i think there is

a serious risk but i think there's even a bigger risk which is that we need to reach that 75 percent maybe even 80 percent of you know population vaccinated so-called community or herd immunity as quickly as possible because of the emergence of new variance and right now those variants are being relatively controlled by the vaccines except for the variant observed in south africa so that new variants emerge and there's resistance to that actually means we have a serious problem so we need to reach that 7580 percent they very quickly and right now the the global data than most studies are showing that it is a good likelihood that we will reach that percentage but you know that hasn't been studied in our countries and we already know now that their equity issues with them i income countries getting vaccinated faster the low income countries and while i understand that particularly now where the numbers are so low so i mean the european union and most countries haven't even accident 5 percent of the population

so it's hard to imagine you know passing on vaccines to low income countries we also need to remember that invariance emerged in those countries because no one is vaccinated and they start to spread it we go back to having to vaccinate everyone again or at the stores sell for the sake of do you think that there is a tipping point at which governments will be forced to make it mandatory to take any vaccine that is a valuable and what do you think that tipping point might be. if at all there is a tipping point for this particular thing to make one particular vaccine no mandatory i think that would be unethical in my viewpoint because the old wish to live in people have the right to choose but then they should choose responsibly like girl you mentioned before they cannot keep on reading for the vaccine of their choice and believe the anti-vaccination process but yes if at all new and new strains that are emerging and then you resistance to out stood up a lot then yes government can put

a cap and against all the privatization of vaccines and make it a national aids program and then that can that is that we need to think point on the conditions under which the government can make a certain vaccine mandatory the privatisation of vaccines need to be stopped that is the only real otherwise it is a complete on the fico thing to do so to impose a certain fact since the so dumb companies that sing on the public but yes like jeffrey mentioned if we reach the juncture of résistance then we will not have any options but we need to do it in a to go manner that is what is samantha it seems from what all 3 of you are saying that the fundamental problem is in the messaging that they people are looking at the wrong thing and the media is is basically propagating that we're looking at the wrong figures as we mentioned before we should be looking at the hospitalizations in the death tolls not the efficacy of weight if we're not going to get to a point where governments are forced to make taking a vaccine mandatory what incentives do you think people could be offered in order

to encourage them to take the vaccines. i think there's already been some incentives that i've been offered by the private sector and so being able to travel some airlines say that they will last for a box nation before taking a flight. i think also setting benyus and. events will be asking for vaccination say it could be the case that there is not even the need for the public sector or the government to enforce vaccination is going to come about through those private into the engines jeffrey do you think that there's a risk that if that does happen then we're going to end up with a essentially a 2 tier society when it comes to vaccines and with the potential that that could create rifts within communities and rifts within societies because between those

who have not taken the vaccine for whatever reason and those who perhaps might be regarded as more privileged who have. it made in the short term some of the mystic i hope is an end in sight maybe that for the next year or a year and a half there are limitations like samantha you know described. these could be then used for concerts this could be entering in country it could be travel it could even be attending a school in person so there will be some decisions for the public sector to make as well but then i hope ultimately that we will. you know as in many of the virus and then we will go back to issues where it. is not as relevant because there will be it's very much virus in the community it's transmitted anyway. samantha how much does politics play a part in this because we one of the issues that they had in france with astra zeneca was that. president obama mccrone had originally voice concerned about the

concerns about the effectiveness of the astra zeneca vaccine for people about 65. that situation in france has now been reversed but how much of an impact does the way that a politician approaches this have on whether or not people do get infected the politicians that have an unusual impact i think they have to be very careful about these kind of statements that have been made because it will affect behaviors and then it's very hard to reverse once you have said something in that particular example i would say that. misreported and didn't help the situation and the media should also play their part in they can sure that the stories they publish are curates and it's not enough to go back and correct misinformation that's already got out there it's there has to be checked and clear and accurate

information to begin with does the guy understand that promise and then when modi got injected himself and i think that was with the kovacs and virus did you notice a significant difference when he did that in a tick yes of course like in a country like my name yes heavily to remember magicks chile as you. a lot of influences there in my country so well you know as soon as my president my prime minister knowing of the locked backs needed there was a huge storage of people tweeting about it will sink pictures about it and along with it even the nurse who vaccinated and even she gained fame overnight so the influence is huge and i feel that is the kind of social responsibility that lies on the bill that issues to propagate the vaccines because what these c s d is in the media and it stays there for good. you know it is as i do agree that it has a huge impact and are late because of and those talking about incentives out like

to add that in india when we were discussing and then we were trying to go out to family planning and our huge population issue started giving incentives monetary incentives but people who agreed to surgically sterilize themselves males and females so we are in the process of implementing the semen vaccinations are concerned to give more neutrally incentives to the people of lower economic strata in order to increase the compliance because in the blocking toward whole country like ours people will not hesitate to 20 any kind of infection injection for that matter you get getting someone into a benefit in return for it so you know we should try new in a region please in order to increase the compliance for i want to thank all our guests samantha vanderslice geoffrey last address and the d.c. metro thank you too for watching and you can watch this and all our previous programs any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com one for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com slash a.j.

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