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thousands of our programmes will be tweeting documentaries and came to support us. subscribe to you cheap bullets launched al-jazeera english. hi answer me ok you're watching the stream on this episode who added what is causing serious ethnic conflicts in ethiopia i have hosted the show long enough to know that ethiopians are a student at ellis use our you tube comment section b. part of the program you're very much part of this discussion. the increasing violence in ethiopia particularly in western romania as well as in tikrit a significant risk for civilians 1st of all as more and more people begin to organize along ethnic lines and mobilize accordingly this poses risks when it's

just our been somewhat contained episodes of violence will start to spread throughout the country 2nd of all as ethiopia approaches general elections potentially later this year. the overall political instability combined with the uncertainty of how elections or brian opens up the potentiality for much much worse the situation when it comes to this type of violence one comment your comments are very welcome you can do so on twitter and on you tube i have to let you know that every single time we have a conversation about ethiopia we do os the government participate we ask them again we reach out we had absolutely no response but i am very happy to introduce you to our 3 guests. are war and telegraphs good to have you here on the stream walkin back to all of these 3 gentlemen 2nd rising to do just sell yourself tassimo

audience while what you deem. it's nice to see you again femi so i'm surprised to learn i'm a freelance journalist and contributor to al-jazeera and the telegraph and other outlets good to have you had i will reintroduce yourself to our audience welcome hello my name is i will i am it elected or you know out here are you clear also critical analyst for the horn of africa going to europe thank you for being on the stream and telegraphs good to have you back on the stream remind our audience who you are what. thank you for having me on my name is george roast turkey i'm the chairman of amar association of america we are an advocacy group here in the united states we work with the united states government to inform their money policy towards ethiopia and also with international human rights organizations to make them aware of the human rights atrocities that have been committed in ethiopia

primarily against the mass but also across other groups as well how would your set the focus of a lot of the nice covered as it is on conflicts atrocities happening in the northern part of the country of reports of trust is happening in northern part of the country but you're concerned about what's happening in the west part of. not what is he hurts about what if he's seen in well to me are a 1000000 appreciate you begin to attention to the cemetery crisis that has been has received very little attention from the international human rights community and the broader western media unfortunately what we are seeing in the western part of the country is a number includes the targeted attacks against them are us by the normal liberation army which is an ob coklat the government was malicious in the 1st 3 months of 2021 alone over 250 americans have been massacred by the ordinary liberation army and hundreds of thousands have been displaced from the region but circles on the region

and now we've been in the american so if i can just point out to a few of these attacks in the latest violence that occurred and started in march 19th the last in almost a week we all know liberation army made their way all the way to the our region the north shore we. were no shows all of our region and began to indiscriminately shoot at civilians which lasted almost a week 100 were killed i was wounded not of loss of damages. to property. the ethiopian military had to come in to respond to this violence because we are regional forces were overwhelmed earlier this month on what 6 your liberation army raided a village where we are mass we have a church service they tried the priest they abducted very a mass to the bush's killed 24 this was followed up again a march 9th when the obama liberation army killed 25

a mass in the same area and better 13 a dozen were killed and so this has been growing and i believe there is no serious attempt by the federal government and the army or regional government i'll be mentionable good government to help this attack against one of our innocent people in these regions let me just go to some just looking at a story that you wrote where you were trying to get in touch with some of the victims have a look here on my laptop westing violence in west ethiopia forcing civilians to play what is the context in which we can understand better what told us is explaining why with civilians preparing a tat right now. decorous go ahead. ok so i guess for you simply not play out over the course of the past few weeks and months some of the massacres that arose referred to and the result of something

like 2 years' worth of deteriorating tensions and a worsening situation security situation since the launch of a military crackdown in the area if you're an army to uproot elements of the order of the liberation army. however it's led to it what started with what was a initially a low skill insurgency has developed into a humanitarian disaster perhaps not something that's on the same scale as what here we are seeing in today over the course of the past few months of over it is of a scale that is not to be neglected and we've seen the different factions of the war carry out gross human rights violations that have been verified by the likes of amnesty international and then of course when it comes to the protection of civilians we are seeing time and time again. those whose mandate it is to be protects the civilian population such as regional security forces or the federal army of chosen to or have displayed an inability to perform their duties so

it has led to mass displacement i'm not able to get to where fi the statistics for the local region however easily into the thousands may have been displaced between february and march alone and with no no concrete solution yet to to or to i'm entitled to in a different fashion the situation may yet exacerbate exacerbated although i want to play our commenting because this is analysis from our broader community online and come off the back of this react to move it they don't have to agree with it but i'm interested in your tank let's have a listen to this moment there are in the group are murdered violently there is a genocide going on in my turn come. in the way this genocide is carried out by it through mist by arrive group. and the

government of. silent. kill every day this genocide has to stop in the un has to intervene and stop this genocide please please please the pupil can't read it the more. i think you know i think there is no doubt that your power over the last 2 years holland become a scene of utter mayhem and a civilian it's how we come the casualties result of the violence that we see up and down the country but i think it's important to remember the violence that we see today actually started in western or and the southern or me in 2019 teams politically change in the country the nature of the violence changed yes i'm out of civilians have been targeted in certain areas but there is absolutely no indication

from the elders that i have seen that they were targeted simply on account of big let alone that there is an anti killer side that is going to say the moon is. it you have to have the intent is to bring about the. extermination of that particular group in order in part in order for this to political act to genocide but i think it's important to kind of situate the debate with europe and it's a broader context and understand what is actually driving. this violence what you have been if you're in 2 contrasting visions of the future and this vision or result in your love you can make a difference i mean if i was. let me finish. so on the one hand what you have is a vision that wants to centralize it here get the states and dismantle the

current national federal system that is this the country and destroy the it is primarily promoted by the prime minister and private but the majority of the economic group including most who do not support the prime minister and i look to the let me my limited i'll i'm going to make one more sentence because it we can't do a lot to we have to have a a conversational so i think finish the thought. that. i think. if we hear it you. will be quiet but only. if you can between the body. you're. representing the vision for so as it is or for ethiopia that's that that is why you think there is violence happening to us the happiness should be family a few things here real quick number one it is i think it's undeniable the umask are

being targeted by the or i'm a liberation army. and also in the talk about the good was malicious in february the good regional government finally admitted that senior level government officials were complicit in supporting the good with militias in attacking and targeting a mass. in those ethiopian stop they consider asked settlers man-made into the region and we believe mr thing is happening in the only a region tens of thousands are more of a bastard been displaced in the or in your region because they are being targeted sometimes tell just hasn't been this is a couple points yes this is a good point for me to bring and i'm i'm just going to say this is a statement that was sent to our desire and also. it was inspired by a piece that cryos wrote and they responded with the aroma liberation army responded so this is the place that you'll say i want to actually put it up on screen so you

can see the video of it and then we actually spoke to them in more detail and this is what they told the story then have a look have a listen. an independent body has to be given and access to area a least and. beyond ready to cooperate for investigation to appear as collapsing wild or religious looking for wrong medicine to save. the country when it's too little too late failing to accept the reality that the cult of ethiopia's damage today is a deliberate marginalization of the oromo must and distorting a century long quest for self-determination of their own more nation and other oppressed nationalities in the country will result into an inevitable disintegration of those independent states. today neither nazi

deception nor international community's fault cry will save the plate of the nations of ethiopia situations on the ground are far from what the bully does of diving on the t.v. screens in english are out of control and on a low fully declared state of emergency in almost all parts of the country told that nothing the nice today a sign of proof shows it to appear as their failed states zacharias instead here is a file. also that i find disturbing that nobody will ever admit to any of the atrocities nobody admits to them that price go ahead. well i'll leave the characterizations perhaps to the legal experts and those who are more fit to comment on those things like i will however it goes without

question. that there's been a lack of accountability and massive failures by both the regional and the federal judicial systems to hold those who are behind some of the heinous crimes against ethnic and harass and other populations in the area for for reasons that go beyond beyond beyond logic so something like 50 people for instance killed over the course of february and march and mostly in the horrible guru district of and the governor there in mr berglund adjustor he made no mention of the victims he did not even issue a statement of condolences if you are his multiple communications pages what it has done is systematically normalize such violence and with the violence with the killings of something like 50 people normalized. i mean you can only you can only you know. you can only feel pessimistic about where the country as

a whole is leading so and that sense you can definitely point to spectacular failures by multiple parties. so i am gentle and i'm going to go to you there is so much to talk about. and i'm going to ask you to be fast and swift and quick. all of the same words over and over sizing every case i needed to respond no we all long long debates here. the increasing fire as an ethiopian is linked to the present all failures of the transition our war thoughts go at. i think the point i was making earlier when i talked about. the youth of the future you have a prime minister who came to power on the back of primarily the global or more people at one political power he really became a lot of the national question including people who have been working so hard with him to bring about the trade and not be probably trying to see 200 leave him

pull his own. future and that is what you write be a biography tell her but let's. i think i have to respond here thank you so the prime minister abu it was not trying to have a unitary form of government as it was i'm not into anything weird that's the difference. we are now the c.r.c. downwardly group to have to vote for their own. regional ally who would support america as well i hear i think the debate i'm moving on with more of the egypt comments because we have so many want to talk to you and i should also say just want to reiterate we invited the ethiopian government they part of this program they chose not to engage with us on this occasion let me put this one team you zacharias this is from blatter be thanking ethiopia won't go into ethnic conflict

like me so i wrote one and those vote for politicians like to see that so as to take the shares the protests brutally torn apart so basically they're saying root this is not going to be any theory feel like there was a rwanda not expecting that level of conflict zacharias what an awful thing to even talk about as an ethiopian i'm sorry that. it's ok you know loves and it's still speculation so. obviously i wouldn't comment on that specifically but i think the saddest part of all is the fact that. it's political just link amongst the representatives and the elites of various political factions and that has led to the worsening of tensions and yet it's the innocent people who are no rule whatsoever in the political justly that are paying the price with their lives and with their livelihoods scores of ethnic i'm heart our farmers being slaughtered in

various parts of the country. they paid no they had no rule in whatever be or representatives of various on our org or i'm organizations said in various communiques or on various platforms and yet the colossal loss of life that they are forced to shoulder is is unbearable it's something that it's something that should that should scaurus as a society and yet as a society we're focused more on trivial bickering and that has also prevented us from really deal even with the situation dealing with what should be key to the conversation the massive loss of life so. whether or not the political issues that divide it you're going to get solved or not it seems that we can look at a future where we'll see more instances of mass slaughter of innocent people for no good reason whatsoever so in that sense i guess you might be able to make some

comparisons to them or want i guess if that's what the commentator said i how much the 9th prime minister of the album out talked to the african union about what was happening in ethiopia primarily talking about the northern part of ethiopia i want you to see part of the statement because it's really relevant to what we're talking about right now in tens of ethnic conflicts and the problems that are happening all through the ethiopians are some of the scenes that jumped out at us and the idea that prime minister's son. is still in transition there's still a lot of wealth to do. i am just wondering here gentleman how do you get out of the situation where we have a mara. civilians being targeted that there is an ongoing conflict between iran with. a liberation army and the government entity gray and the government there is another conflict is that all of the spots where people are being killed

atrocities are happening how do you get out of that tower costs for well 1st time you must have sympathy and empathy for this new terms of the alluding to they're not part of this political they're not part of this our political wrangling and so that's the 1st thing and made the protection of the civilians a priority when your leadership from prime minister abbott to work with numb balam political actors civil society a religious leaders to move us away from these targeted attacks against innocent people and from bespectacled which is that we have this ethnic system that pits ethnic groups against one another to assume europeans are equal or all yorkers are not 2nd class citizens because i'm somewhat yorkers are not 2nd class citizens. outside of their so-called. and thus what we have right now and so that's really what we need is real leadership and. and sympathy and a plan and

a 1000000000 to get us away from this ethnic based system that has divided the people and this is a system that would really have pressed on the people by the. g.p.l. it was god the system should go along with it is another sip or lower end of an excuse well as a lot of support sentiment for prime minister abbott add that as a lot of opposition to him as well i want to hear of voices who's pretty optimistic about how out of this hour you can come out of the fact that let's have a listen. the ultimate goal of to be a live is creating chaos into your p.r. by inflicting ethnic conflict between the 2 biggest in a group us are and or a troll is a thinking that the business strategy to weaken utopia is that weakening of the arm us even though it's very difficult if we take serious millar's on his part. that he will be able to take over the situation very sort. of optimism in this

conversation do you have optimism olga had. no i don't i can tell you fairly that today in that europe there is a stench of disintegration is in the air and it's a sort of kick that anyone with any basic understanding of politics in ethiopia can actually smell and who today to look. after all the atrocities after everything forces what i love to come into ethiopia firelit civilians violence on of the dignity of the grandmothers and women would look to god in the eye and say their future lies with that europe and this rock like the other ones that we're talking about was about imposing a particular vision of the future on that european people the kind of vision that physical sense is talking about which is that kind of post is an excess that you cannot have this post it's an existence and if you have that because that's a return to the past and it's not possible the system in which

a single currency or a single language a single religion is dominated if you're there and consolidate and if you look back at i don't i had a cultural quote would only lead to sort of the violence and chaos in egypt so the best way i think for everyone is to take stock of where we are out of the moment and try to find a way forward and not sell that could provide a pod way towards the future but in the final analysis the question of what kind of society we should have if your pick should be decided by the 2 pm people not by a prime minister a north by a single it's a nickel and dime me please allow me to interject real quick for us. understand how mr abbey on that we're going to roll so when i want all of a moose to this is what i'm on once i'm honest are very proud of the diverse. ethnic heritage and culture. and we want to

ethiopia where all europeans are equal we got to where they live in the country now what we have. no we have a situation where if you live if you do not live in your region you are 2nd class citizen and that's what we have been that's why these people are gone what will they are now and there is the targets for these armed groups and so we do need a national dialogue but we need a national dialogue with the not bad an actor if you will of those armed groups going to ireland and targeting of global people they need to be held accountable who brought to justice tell it all thank you thank you so much i will thank you zacharias thank you every time we have a conversation about ethiopia there is so much more to be said on his chair in your in your hundreds of waiting to comment thank you so much i only managed to let it bring a little bit of what you had to say into this conversation but i now our conversation will continue thanks for watching this episode at the stream see you next time.

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