prior to today if you had an opportunity to listen to a recording. can you please repeat that question prior to coming to court today to play for your copy of. the record. yes or no i cannot remember. if you heard that today would you be able to recognize . we have now marked. as exhibit 20. we would ask. for your offering at. 20 is received. by 2020 not all of the office of emergency. designing. it part of the crowd will still court t.v.

and 39 to hear what the guy that was there read it in the record yeah you can hear the dude make the whole bar and waltz in 90000 men and women when it. was there we could have been arrested not that you have already given a green light to do it do well you know if we put not reply but when i am glad to see the data in all the things i was about earlier. i want to ask you think part of the formation of your body on 3338 the little chicago where you like to speak with the sergeant yeah like that we would both guess what that is all the big man with the great barbecue wasn't going to read any of that let me go till next about dustin clark artist it's a professional thing they have me and i'm sure he knows all that although we're not all wired by that if they're watching their partner work as well i mean i could go on in the czech republic and call what they're going to get checked out all at once . ringback ringback ringback ringback ringback ringback. other than i could have

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those who say you know. and was that also the officer that has neon george for stuff that is true for the record when your previous answer your point and the defendant mr show a bit scary. and. in so that the purpose of making what was the purpose of making that i want to call it that. of his fellow that was right then you do know what else to do. and they know what to do. when oh i'm sorry i got your book call. and the response then was to transfer you to assert correct. and then at some point to call it sounds like you're talking to officer chow. do you recall if you were actually talking to officer challenger crew or was. because i think at the moment i know at the moment that i was making the call he proceeded to lawyer it's a mini stickies camera face but he came. here.

and the call sort of ends abruptly did you hang up to terminate the call not a 100 percent sure but i may of the felt very. very actually have a furniture store. and then from there after hanging up. did you stick around for a while and talk to some other people there year to moan. you know i have no further questions. this is us.

it's. morning sir. the more. i ask what you're looking at these notes of ok for a minute hassidim put those to the side ok who we are. thank you for your patience yesterday thank you for being here this morning i just have some follow up questions for you. testified yesterday that you started wrestling in the 7th grade as aqueduct is group and over time you were talking about how you learn how to control your body right that is and one of the things that you kind of talked about

was when early in your instruction in wrestling. you call it i think flow rust. and as i understand it and correct me if i wrong slow wrestling is learning learning how to are kind of keep your son or balance learning how to sometimes it may feel you should use your arm when you should really use your left kind of just learning how your body works right which reduces less resistance so sometimes less resistance is actually better in certain circumstances. repeated sure i mean if you're on the math right and your instinct is to push your arm out to the side to try to use your body weight to roll you may want to actually use your leg to roll the other way. flow. kind of ok how would you describe just the slow process flow is this.

full is more are fluid in which you would go use in march straight with you more of the 60 percent of it are well with you when you get into have no sin in you few have nose in your knee and in not your floor and your partner's then you flow off your back and get into it with asia where he insisted on being to escape cloues were partners late in the oval in flute lay him finish to go in now i've flown into my office of my beef is a position a given away from position right so you're learning how to use your body weight against the weight of the other person you're worth learning how to just get in and out of moves right over flowing. and that's something that you learn you know at a young age in the sport of rust curve and as you continue your wrestling career you testified that you wrestle all the way through high school and then into

college for a couple of years as well their career and you would agree that wrestling is a sport. rest of the wives though ok there are rules their points are referees so there are there's a sport to write career and i understand as a wrestler it's a lifestyle right but to the kind of the casual observer maybe it's just a sport i never are. but you're you know you're learning how to keep your center of gravity lower and and grapple with the curve and then you testified that after you kind of got out of college or finished your career in college you started moving more towards mixed martial arts. and so you were training in jujitsu i believe you said that is very are and again jujitsu is a form of martial arts right cribbed lots of forms of martial arts right career

judo karate a craft my god these are all various forms of martial arts that you have some general familiar with right career but your training is specifically in jujitsu no more charges i train did you do more you. are more charges trained to do to ok boxing wrestling or all of these put into forms of the fight or you're not just work every day you are in your standup you work in more you try you think that's what march ours is ok so you incorporate several forms of martial arts into you what you study that is curved are and again. the notion of a chokehold is very common within the martial arts community and it is curb means submission. and there are many forms right curve like the triangle or the

rear naked choke hold all sorts of different types of choke hold or submission holds that apply that is per head and again. i understand that martial arts is a lifestyle but there is a sport to it as well right that. is for us and just talking generally not talking about the m.m.a. fighting yet but just even as a martial artist there are competitions with rules and referees and things of that there are and when you whether you wrestle or you compete in the mix more are in the martial arts there are weight class that occur did this craig. did it to tournaments there is always so. you win your way to get in you have to wrestle an open division with you that could be determined to open a vision which is what you are and so again generally like looking at your career

as a wrestler you wait to dress. who you are one of one of 6 to 141 ok and when you have competitively wrestle you would rustle with other people who are in that same weight class right career and then in the martial arts in the competitions for the martial arts there are weight classes but there's also this open weight class right this critter joined in jujitsu so you as a 141 pound guy may wrestle or me in a grappling with someone who's 180 pounds or 2 to one right or a 100 right i mean ok but then about 10 years ago you testified that you started with next march. i believe that you testified yesterday that about 10 years ago you began training in mixed martial arts careers

martial we're going to m.m.a. major arteries are i maybe i'm confused like did you of your progression from wrestling to boxing to mixed martial arts. a way for wrestling in college to train in a martial arts school covers martial arts ok. boxing . me for sure ok russell and that's because there are some i mean again there are some. businesses or gym that will train in a specific form of a martial art right career so if you do you have a boxing gym to do to. tide you or cross my couch for a year where everybody still only have different specialty of martial arts for different schools but some schools which are ones with out of the u.k.

noone agree nosy or are you martial arts workers ok i'm understanding now that you went from the wrestling to the mixed martial arts and about 10 years ago was it that you started competing in a mixed martial arts started eating right away when boom or a slim ecologists of beer on the top of every sure fire fighters in a move to finish you know to grow knows a more charges started you know different jimmy forgot to academy. was a wrestler i didn't know anything or you know the times on t.v. would out in provo in c.g. i was an early greek you know or more due to other more kicking over different it was over and you know different martial techniques chokes emissions arm bars things like that spinning but this is for i need a very rough ok when we talk about an m.m.a.

fight career. all of those various methods of fighting are employed in those fights right career so if i am a boxer and i start i'm in a boxing match right i can't kick you for example no but if i'm in an m.m.a. fight i may punch you i might kick you i might choke you i'm short of biting right curve and the point of a mixed martial arts fight is to actually. he knocked a person out render him unconscious. control. if we reference the cage match and that's what we kind of think about when we think about mixed martial arts is cage fighting. martial or tournaments where it is strictly to. goes. no strike in. the morning in the cage we do everything you

know. and. i believe according to your your professional record because you had an amateur career and you had a professional career and you had to levon professional fights. possibly you don't even know. so. you know the internet exists right did you know your statistics are saved all right and so if i say that your professional record was 5 wins or 6 losses in 11 fights would you disagree with. me about using i don't just. actually 66 ok and. when you find it can and i may find these kind of open freestyle fights. you find in a weight class. are people who are similar in terms of their weight they may be taller

they may be shorter but they're in the same weight class her ok. and again i mean there's a referee right group and certain fights when you get someone into a submission hold. the referee may come and lift up the person's arm to see if they're conscious or unconscious right they've heard that's a way of determining whether or not that's not it's not moving over there they're not moving they are fighting. to make sure that the person is conscious so you might say keep moving even on the road he might you know and sometimes the whole day will you know to that person so the only way you look at the robot look out but you don't you know and sometimes you don't know that they're out and they're asked why the raft comes and picks up the arm right most oh yes nobody but the person no but it's possible. right. it's

a yes or no question it's possible. is a part of your training in the mixed martial arts you. voluntarily submitted to being put into chokeholds correct. at practice right and you also practiced these moves right putting rendering other people in practice unconscious. and in your professional career you were also at times have rendered people unconscious and been rendered unconscious yourself heard through one of these calls her are. now you described. these chokeholds generally yesterday. these chokeholds like you described an air show and a blood choke career you remember your conversation yesterday you are. so when

you. when you use these forms of troll calls whether it's air choke or blood choke they use those in various forms of martial arts right judo macaque a chokehold is sort of across the board in terms of martial arts. career with the exception maybe the stick right. curve r. . and you testified that you at your academy you train with a lot of law enforcement officers military people. and kwon foresman from both state and federal levels right that is correct and you said you didn't and sometimes you don't even know that that's what they do right this career you've been in love and sometimes you get to know these guys because you're fighting with . your training with them and they tell you a little bit about their lives are. sometimes very good

a brotherhood of the gym you know some people in areas outside 1st or so who does interact in a gym you know and build relations i see it every day basis like at work or this year interact if you're in an area which were going over it because i'm. ok jim. but i just want to make sure you've never officially been invited to go to like the minneapolis police academy to train law enforcement in the use of force no more the use of the song and or any other police academy for that waiting is my since a great nose and i'm asking about you sir have you ever officially been asked to train police officers specifically in the use of jail know the sweetness. now they're chocks you described their trucks yester their trucks are from the front

tract career and that's because what you're doing is you're actually cutting off the air curve to the trachea correct so you can render someone unconscious by coming from the front of the neck and cutting off their airway which renders them unconscious. sure an air show is a front show agreed. and what you're doing in an air choke is you're cutting off the air supply or the oxygen supply from the front of the neck correctly and in doing so you can render a person unconscious strapped on here rather medical burdens of. ok. on a blunt show right what you're doing is you're cutting off and you described the blood supply to the brain. it started to occur. and

you described several different types of chokeholds like the river or the rear naked choke hold i think it's called or the triangle what you're doing is you're actually cutting off the blood supply to both sides of the neck in those. when you do a blood show what you're trained on generally is to limit the blood supply to both sides of the neck is that the neck is just one side of it ok. good so you do. side open it so from here side of the record but you're but you're using your weight and you're actually cutting off both sides. using your body in your arm and you actually protecting the trachea or the airway in the crux of your your me from shows of missing you're joking your books together your job use the tech to treat you as i took. so if i have someone in

a chokehold right and a blood choke hold from the with my using my arm i may have my hand behind not person. no it's not. that tricky if you take care of this kind of joke i'm saying that the trachea is protected by that the crux of the elbow and so you're using the forearm and the bicep to cut off both sides of the of the blot curve from here from year to year. because. of the name of each of them. how long does that usually take in your experience to render someone. some people noted above conscious right you were interviewed by the f.b.i. right that is very recently was agent garvey of the f.b.i. right. are you does it look in some notes to refresh your recollection of the front

of the courier would that help would that help you refresh your recollection memory it was good for it it's kind of weird we have rules in court you have to testify from your memory not your notes but if you never know what is the name of them say what i'm saying is if you need to refer to your whatever it is you have in front of you to help you refresh your recollection we need to get permission from the court to do that so weird procedure that i don't know the names of authors would help you remember his or her name if you looked at your paper in front of. his career is in the paper will save your honor may he refer his notes. silently and 123 1st your memory called the most back up and from your memory of those are not.

the name overtimes or believe it was there were 2 agers or right one was from the b.c. a name angela garvey that one's occurred and then eckert is the last name of the other. if that is correct ok and you were interviewed by do as agents on may the 29th of last year correct. career if. you wouldn't do it and you know we have a transcript of that statement in the reports about it would you dispute if i told you it was may 29th i don't believe the date ok fair. and do you recall them asking you about blood jokes and how long it takes to choke someone to . curry and you told them 3 to 5 2nd. career is like it is so you. and me round is 3 men right now as for emmett. here's.

arose 3 minutes for amateur pros are so 3 to 5 minutes our per round of an m.m.a. fight. ok. have you ever whether it be. in your training after you have rendered someone unconscious where they come back to and they start fighting again inside of a fight about talks only came back you know. it's been a fighting or very heavy something that happened in practice. resave. so something to be surgeon i will do so well someone rendered someone unconscious right you're fighting with them they've gone on conscious you've released your chokehold from them we are very experienced someone coming back and starting to find you again right away. personally

no seated is ok fair enough so you've seen after someone is unconscious come back to consciousness and they start fighting right away you've seen that happen it's you know you have seeds. they come back to in a continued to fight in the rep rhea's it's plain to them that they've been unconscious been in combat coaches in a 1st thing i wanted to do was to fight in damon in the locker room the tone of the fight was. no regulations though that moment ok great. now you testified that one of the things that you do and have done in your career is to work as a security guard. and you worked as a security guard in a variety of contacts right that career so you've done some personal security for people. and you've done some like kind of doorman stuff right this curve balancing

i guess you could call it and you said that you have worked alongside the minneapolis police department in those club type situations with off duty officers on duty officers career ok the. in that capacity have you ever had to deal with a crowd of people. have you ever had to deal with a crowd of people that was upset. is it easier or harder to deal with a crowd that has. each person given me i'm able to do it i bet. actions given these boys to be able to be professional. and.

have you ever been involved in a situation where there's a crowd that's upset and you were. afraid of them. i'd like to direct your attention to the incident on may 25th 2020 that you've testified about you were shown an exhibit yesterday that shows that you were you arrived at the cup foods on the 38th street side of cup foods 23 and 12 seconds you don't really know. would you like me to show you that exhibit or would you agree that. that's probably correct i can show you the.

i am showing you exhibit 18. yes you can see that. this was already admitted into evidence yesterday you would agree that exhibit 18 shows you walking along 38th street on may 25th 20282312. career ok. so not trying to trick her into this one. and it's fair to say that prior to your

arrival there you had no idea what had been going on in here know that oh. you know. and you testified that as you kind of came around the corner your energy sort of poll jus towards that incident did. so you would have absolutely no idea that an ambulance was called 3 minutes before you were. you would be would have no idea that it is mccain $100.00 g.m.t. 10 am in minneapolis minnesota or in the united states as we continue live coverage from the united states all day to trial for the murder of george float on come out santa maria thanks for staying with us of course the former police officer charged with killing floyd by nailing on his neck for 8 minutes.