you know. and you testified that as you kind of came around the corner your energy sort of poll jus towards that incident did. so you would have absolutely no idea that an ambulance was called 3 minutes before you were. don't you think you were. you would be would have no idea that it is 1300 hours g.m.t. 10 am in minneapolis minnesota or in the united states as we continue live coverage from the united states of day 2 trial for the murder of george florida i'm kemal santa maria thanks for staying with us of course the former police officer charged with killing floyd by nailing on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds this trial now ongoing seen as a pivotal moment in u.s. race relations what we've been hearing in the hof hour since day 2 began

is the examination and now the defense's cross-examination of donald williams someone who witnessed the death of george floyd who called 911 because he believed he had quote witnessed a murder what we've been seeing from the defense in the last well 15 to 20 minutes has been well actually tapping into the knowledge of williams as an m.m.a. expert that is mixed martial arts the defense trying to establish what different types of chokeholds can be used the types of effects they would have and at one stage the lawyer asking would someone in fact after being put into some such choke hold actually be conscious again afterwards and want to get up and keep fighting that seems to be the defense's tact at the moment trying to establish exactly what force would have needed to be used on george floyd to render him unconscious and indeed killed him in the end that will keep going with this live coverage right now

and of course talk to our correspondent in minneapolis where in the not too distant future prior to your arrival. an ambulance was called specifically because he was bleeding from the mouth. when you made certain assumptions. you. know the bridge the. sometimes the quarter point here. that the owners of the unit appreciation of if this will make you. but you yesterday testified that you assume that the blood coming from mr floyd's nose and mouth area was from his face being pushed into the cement .

there's no question if you answer my question where's the good come there is no this is listening to his nose i don't see how i get there or we're going to ask that's non-responsive jackson let me answer my questions. jackson insisting jury disregard the last remark that was not response to question mr nelson thank you. you testified that after the ambulance came you saw 2 additional officers right. and you prior to that happening had no idea that those 2 officers were back there right curry. so it's fair to assume that you did not hear any of the conversations between the officers cracked . out of the me it goes into her. question is did you

hear any of the conversations between the officers yes or no reply to be the different person sure did you hear any of the conversation occurring between the 3 officers with mr florey yes or no no. it's fair to say that as you were there you grew angry or. hurt. this receive pardon as it is that's what you took from the video of her. as you were there and interacting with officer tal and officer show that you grew more and more would you agree with. her you were angry right. our group control and

professionalism. again you made a statement to agents garvey an actor. and in that statement you said. arm of cross-examination. who. received in that statement you said like i really wanted to beat the shit out of the police officers. you said that you know that's what. you were angry no you can't be a pain you know danger i was that i was in a position. to be control of patroclus factionalism i was an angry because i think as non-response overall overruled. was expressing thank.

you started calling him names. yes you heard it did. you call them a tough guy right you want to be a column a real man you watch the video. you do have the answer the question years ago based on what he's asking. ask you against your answers should be yes or no good if you call him a tough guy and call him a real man. but if. you call them such a man how did you call them bogus. did you call them up at least 13 times that you counted a video so i counted and he got 13 and that was early on right. in those terms grew more and more angry would you agree with

that. even more more pleading for her. did you say that is what you heard i'm asking use. sure as i'm asking you did you say that. view is a yes or no sir that that's one who was hurt in the video yesterday. and at one point you said that officer top pushed. his career he did put his hand in my chips is what i see it and you observed officer tal push someone else right or feel like you he pushed someone else i didn't touch

anyone else do you recall saying i dare you to. do. so again sir it's fair to say that you grew angrier and angrier you know professional and professional i stayed in my bottle you came out to be angry. you're not standing you are walking around. career patrol and at times you go forward towards where officer shopping was right career and at times you'd walk to the side tracked i didn't really need to go zones or show it actually. to get a closer show you attempted to walk close. step of the curve is that back under

because officer tao didn't per permit you to go for. the record. you were your voice right you were just saying you're above would you not. he said i was just saying i'm the tone of your voice tone of voice was a source who hear. and it grew louder and louder. and after mr floyd was taken by the ambulance if you continue to enter asked with officer tal as well as other people cracked or as they retreated you know there are 3. and they can say more to him and you continued to yell these types of things after mr floyd was gone.

i mean that word better for her i think you said something about. hoping he would shoot himself known as though these injuries of a sit within a 2 years you would use of would you do i think hope that anyone. to buy one of those so again you continue to engage with these officers. and your voice was loud. and he tried to have a name so the officers most of the officers were on the other side of 30 street mito from each other at one point officer talgo was across the street as well if both her and you continued to yell the same types of fake. with him being her. and it was over and over and over and over again.

that it was being heard. it's a yes or no question sir was it over and over and over again yes because i would have been hurt. thank you so i have no further questions. and your reader. thank you mr williams i have a few more questions for you are. in enemy i'm sorry in m.m.a. fighting. do you ever have a situation where your opponent is handcuffed behind.

never do you ever have a situation m.m.a. where there are 3 people fighting against one. and there. and. when you were on the scene at 38 in chicago on may 25th of last year when you were watching this interaction between these 3 minneapolis 4 minneapolis police officers mr floyd were you watching the cage match at the time. of the scene to adam was so. tense insert losing both of you. so you weren't watching a sport that they were you know.

mr nelson asked you a couple times about. this kind of blood show around the throat. you based on your training your experience during this yourself can you apply a blood choke to one side of the neck correct and is that done in mixed martial arts that is done. whether mr nelson wants to ask you about doing you know both sides back you've seen it done and once i heard. and when you were on the street there 30 years in chicago on may 25th of last year watching mr schoeman and mr floyd. wasn't that kind of blood choke you thought you were saying on one side of the neck that is growth. mr

nelson i asked you about seeing times when somebody has been unconscious you know in a mixed martial arts fight. and come to. try to wrestle again. or fight again. when an opponent is runner unconscious through something like a choke hold you know mixed martial arts fight. the fight stopped right away media medical thinking. straight also asked you about dealing with crowds that are upset your experience as a security guard. when you're dealing with a crowd that is upset other ways to try and deescalate the situation without using force that is critical like what kinds of things can you do really stay calm i mean you have a dog and a person trying to talk about oh. she's getting

a new person away from the situation just be humane the birds you know we're a meat in downtown minneapolis skewer. drunk people that babysit pretty much like a king have to. code to try to figure out a way how to solve this problem would go putting physical force to them list the try to physically a portion of me. while you were on the street there and 38 in chicago may 25th of last year watching mr shogun hold mr floyd down did you see officer todd try to deescalate that situation with the crowd. well based on your training and experience as a security guard in your testimony just now a ways to deescalate the situation. did you see ta doing anything like that while you were there on that same. side.

so what seems to be happening now and we do often have these dips in order you know you will have noticed that's not a technical fault and that is coming directly from the courthouse in minneapolis a lot of the time it's because of we believe profanity or expletives that are being used in the court transcripts at this point i think it is well i think i heard one of the lawyers say there was a side bar so that would be some sort of technical legal moment between counsel and the judge and what seems like certainly and some of us they have had to put headphones on i don't have to listen or in fact to block out what they're hearing at the moment a lot of this isn't new to us all as we watch a court trial unfolding in real time the witness on the stand at the moment is a man named donna williams who actually witnessed the killing of george floyd in

minneapolis he called the police he believed that he was witnessing a murder or a murder i should say and what we heard from the defense team not long ago was them attempting to paint mr williams as someone who was very angry who was getting angrier and angrier the more he saw of what the police were doing to george floyd. he continued to say go to the defense or that you can't categorize me as angry on was remaining professional right there back in session again in minneapolis that's written there's. more growth.

during your cross-examination you were asked about the time that officer todd. touched you put his hand under his hand on your chest. and in your reaction. was what. me the swipe is a. step back my hands were. really started by his presence so. you know. who are overseas. so. if you get better or. i think we heard this or if i just got to close to a microphone so you did one officer tell touching you not at all and other than pushing his hand away you didn't touch him. we kind of days and then you went back up on the curb that is here. during your cross-examination if.

you use the term the officers retreat for what did you mean by that richard. reid i'm not law enforcement or very nice no one certainly i see you in certain cases happen when it comes to certain things like this most of us use retreat away from the scene into all the great authorities seem to take care of it in a notice that they did it ricci away from the scene to the to the other side of the street is. where the state into whoever came dilute the ok. also during your cross-examination mr nelson asked you about. things that happened before you got to the scene that occurred you were at all trying to tell the jury in your previous testimony that you knew things that occurred before you got there not. even here right when you got there. for that time period after you

arrived and saw. mr shogun with his knee on mr ford's knock on the ground there tell him i'm stuck i'm you watched time i was. if i was. still during that time that you were watching it you see anything that you thought justified holding mr lloyd down that way knowing all the answers for going . did you see mr floyd. fighting back to the officers no see whether mr floyd lost consciousness while you were there watching career. or. no argument gentians ostracized per one of the earth are arguing the objection is overruled may pursue. the bus again so this really is close but it is while you were there watching was there

a time when you saw mr floyd lose consciousness that he heard. we were here that's where you can get. you were asked multiple times about being angry. and. more and more upset as time went on. so why why did you get angry and more and more upset as time went on. because again they were not listen to tell him. how to speak through because he was speaking out to dogs here in eras no fever no emotion no nothing like. seeing them talk for them i mean just

a few years after what was up there is not the answer their next question what did you think was happening mr foy. he was under distress. that answer will stand but for that you felt he was in danger her. in danger of what. counsel cyber. so it's happening again and we have confirmed i was right there as you say a side bar a moment where counsel confers with the judge and headphones are being put on by everyone else. what i would deduce is that this is due to covert 19 obviously you're not going to have people actually approaching the bench and coming close to the judge so instead headphones go on closed loop audio they get to hear everything that's going on and then they can resume after that side by side discussion if you

like between the counsel and the judge so just so you know this 1st session of day 2 of derek servants trial due to go on for another 18 or 20 minutes then they would take a 20 minute break and continue after that with of course speak to our correspondent in our expert guests joining that 20 minute break period to get their take on what we've seen so far the man. being questioned at the moment as i said earlier is donna williams who witnessed the killing of george floyd he called 911 he said he witnessed a murder. he is currently well he was being cross-examined by the defense who were attempting to paint him as being a very angry man they had to get the audio quite a lot for a lot of the expletives that we used at the time trying to suggest that he was getting angry and angry at the police and that that was in part to do with race.

donald williams being a black american as well a redirect is now happening where the prosecution is questioning him again and the whole process unfolding in real time for us out of the courtroom in minneapolis a very different sort of look you can see the masks on the faces the post pics closs up between people as well the judicial system in the times of covert 19 day 2 of. trial for 2nd degree murder 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. and what i'll do is while this is happening of course as soon as i stop this they're going to start again but we'll try because we've got ronald sullivan who's listening along with us is a professor of law and the director of criminal justice institute at the harvard law school is on skype from newton massachusetts good to have you with us ronald

and apologies if i have to bail out wouldn't you know it the taking the headphones off again. i knew this would happen ronald sit tight we'll come back to you shortly once they finish so mr williams why did you think it was so horton's that you are not being heard. with a side show you consciousness. you process. conscious and also from condition of our future so so so. you can go so. you're here are patient. so let me ask you just where the. last know the struggle of this in the. incident and sir. so you were concerned about mr floyd losing his life

curt. i have nothing for. you. you were asked a series of questions on redirect about your experience a mixed martial arts. career can you tell me about any of the conversations that you had as you were being rendered under unconscious. would you. just wait. till. you get action is overruled you may answer if you have a recollection as to any time you ask the question again but don't answer until i say so. when you were engaged in mixed martial arts in your fights in your

competitive fights can you tell me were you able to have a conversation with your opponent as you were being rendered unconscious yes or no . no. i think for. you said earlier you're not a medical doctor. if mr nelson is asking you whether a person can. stop. and give a medical good news for frank is going to ask you about your personal experience if you have such personal experience you can talk about your personal experience. nothing more mr frey please phrase it in terms of his personal experience not an opinion. in

a mixed martial arts fight. when you are being rendered unconscious in a chokehold you tap out correct career and that's to prevent it from going too far. crew. and the tap out is the communication you use to your opponent to save their career and your opponent has to follow that communication. career that's the rules of the fight this rule so when you tap out you know it's done and it stops. that nothing for. you while you are using cue.

right. members of the jury our next 4 witnesses are going to be persons who because of their age. allowing them not to be video broadcast obviously you will be able to see them in the courthouse but just so you know what is going out beyond this courtroom the video will not be shown further when they give their name and spell their names for the record that will be off the audio that is being broadcast outside this so you know what the general public is seeing you will of course ian hear everything i'm also allowing contrary to what is often in the rules of decorum that we operate under so that they can refer to other people who are at the scene by their 1st names as opposed to mr or ms so that's

what the court permission they're not violating i think by doing so so that the state will be bringing in its next witnesses there will be 4 in a role probably we're not going to get all of them before we take a break probably what it most. thank you. so just reiterating what judge was saying there was we wait for witnesses to come now one he thinks they'll get through in the next 10 minutes or so during this session. and he says because of their age they will not be seen

on the video feed so we're kind of feeling this out as we go. i don't know what we will say the camera may just stay. the attorney whilst they are speaking whilst we hearing the voice of the witness but the judge says because of age they won't be seen and he also said i think that their names or the use of 1st names particularly will be the audio will be dipped on those as well so you can expect a bit more of this in and out that we are seeing. just have a little listen oh well we just take your morning break for about. we have figured out a when we can do those. and actually get to as i suspected with only 10 minutes to go till they had a scheduled break. why not take a break now so they could be coming back in 20 minutes 10 to the top of the out with a my white indeed until the top of the hour we're going to keep to the original and

. schedule in the cotton minneapolis the time it is $1530.00 g.m.t. . which makes it 10 30 in the morning in minneapolis day 2 of the derek show murder trial which we have been watching live from that courtroom in minneapolis that is focused on the examination and cross-examination of donald williams' witness to the killing of george floyd. someone had called 911 because he believed he was witnessing a mood john hendren a correspondent in minneapolis outside the courthouse listening to all of that as well it's pretty intense stuff isn't it john the the the level of detail that they go into and it seemed at least to me the defense's position of trying to paint down when the as this witness as simply an angry black man. absolutely donald williams is the

3rd witness he is a martial arts expert and security guard and the prosecution was using that is a way to offer what they were referring to was his expertise on what he saw unfolding in front of him at one point he said that the officer derrick chauvin had put his knee on the neck of george floyd in such a way as as to do what he called a blood show in other words shutting off the arteries of the neck to stop blood flow and i think you're absolutely right kemal that what the defense was trying to do was say this is an angry man who had an axe to grind he called the officers bums 13 times he pushed back on that he said i wasn't being angry i was being professional he did not acknowledge that he was upset by what happened and ultimately called a 911 operator rather than talk to the police on the scene and he was asked why he

did that and he said because i thought i was witnessing a murder so this 3rd witness not everything is scintillating testimony because they have to establish his expertise and then sort of walk through what he saw these are each building blocks with each of these witnesses in the prosecution is putting together in order to make its case and that case. course deryk show even was the direct cause of the death of george floyd and that that was an unjustified action jump up the headphones back on because it seems that they have decided to go with one of the witnesses. let's go back to the courthouse in minneapolis and around 7 o'clock pm on may 25th do you recall walking to cut food and. everybody or so. where you walk in with a cousin of your yes i do you call your cousin was. maybe

. there. maybe that maybe. you want me to come foods were you walking from home so you live there by yes would you describe it as a neighborhood store yes. now the jury may have heard something about this being a dangerous neighborhood. where you concerned for your safety and walking with your husband to cut food. if you had estimated how many times would you say you walked out foods from your home in the neighborhood. hundreds to maybe even thousands. so you and your cousin walk into foods what were you going there for you remember i was taking her to get some snacks

you're going to love snacks. so much going to may 23rd 2020 going to show you a couple of things just to set the scene for our discussion. i want to show you what's been marked for identification purposes far as exhibit 13. which. you are going to hand. ok. that exhibit 13 to suit 2 people in that in what is a photograph. of the fifi back there.

right you see 2 people in the front of the photo with 2 people in the back. is this photo which are an accurate depiction of you and your cousin from the photograph on the 20th yes you are off with exhibit 13 and have. their kids received would you like me to publish is your finger. right now the jury can see it to not this is a screen that you can actually mark and so if we see the 2 people that are right here at the front of his picture is a little girl with the word love or a sweatshirt and that's another person next to. one of those persons you yes. which one of the bigger one of the little. this is your cousin actually yes and it is this is you walk into the cup foods.

i want to show you what we've marked as exhibit 60 for trial. if you can pull that out. now is this the video that you've seen before and. do you have personal knowledge of the scene mr pig in this exhibit and. is this video a true and accurate depiction of the sea this you saw on may 23rd 2020 yes. in the state offices of 16 and. 16. so mr l.t.c. you can play this a little ways i want to ask. you some questions about. so

we can see with the jury 2 people walking from the left to the right as a little girl in the green shirt and there you were easy. and this is you all were pro-choice foods on may 25th. see their your cousin go into the store. why did you go into the store and you turned around and they came back towards our i want to make it says he got in. here for sex. when you want yes the water there if you see anything happening there on the ground as you were walking towards foods with your. hands i see him in on the ground and. see a cop kneeling down you know was there anything about the scene that you didn't want

your cousin to see yes. what was that. i mean terrified scared making friends i. is that why you directed your cousin to going in the cup foods. and and then when you saw what was happening there to see what was it about the scene that caused you to come back. it wasn't rape. because he was suffering he is. in pain. let me stop you there just a 2nd no unsolder the 1st of all he you refer to the person coming to know is george for. did you know anything about this to george floyd before may 25th. edge ever met him before none ever seen it before your knowledge. when he came back to the scene here we did see the exhibit

16. what did you do when you 1st got there and you see words and what did you do pull the one phone. and what would you do want to pull out are full. of augustine. and we have already admitted into evidence in this case video which you have done which is ours of the 50 that. tell the jury what you observed what you heard when you stopped to look at what was happening there at the scene. i heard george clooney the same i can't breathe please get off for me i can breathe he he cried for his mom he was in pain. it seemed like. he knew. he like he knew it was all over for him he would is terrified. he was suffering this

was a cry for help in every war you know. any opinions about how mr floyd was feeling but you can rely on her observations. it was true but thank you rob. don't let me show you home it will come back to this discussion let me show you exhibit 7. that's all you have. so you see the person depicted on exhibit 70. 9 are able to tell a laser jumma injury if you. didn't pay to. get it. please tell the ladies and gentlemen with us. this was not

personal it's meeting on george floyd's magic on may 25th is this where you are when you saw. the last 3 or 4 minutes. where you 1st arrived at the scene. when you 1st arrived at the scene and you started recording with your. phone can't. we're other bystanders others are president time now. but how long before other people started to gather with. me and. could you guesstimate roughly how many others were just fear around you also those really helps. maybe you know. 14 something now that maybe if i showed

you a picture of those we're here might you recognize those of my present work. is that when you. heard. that. your 1st memory is i think. this moment he. was just all she's forgotten or. if you look at exhibit 184. do these. in this exhibit the other doctors who with you at the scene on may 20th you know. you are all for when a forward. or one or. so looking at this. picture. photograph 24

can you identify any of the other. we know that you fired to the right. about a beautiful others you're in for. this is a former friend for the friend i went to school late alyssa with you which you just pointed out sort of you do you park on the street that i thought. oh. i'm sorry judge could you repeat that the air was up there i was always really. just one all. this you are you here she put the air on the screen. and mark where her friend is that her kids. you see the error mr blackwell you know art and see the beatles.

are. you mention there's another one of your friends or the picture yes and what was the friends like oh listen. and here's your point was. ok that was. and what about the any other any other person. on the scene but i do know people. who was there last night i know some of the workers will be here for a while. but you were there to hold time as these various group of bystanders gathered together. yes. if somebody were to tell the ladies and gentlemen of this jury. that you and the

rest of the bystanders who were there. were around who would cry out or mock or i didn't finish question. so let's rephrase as a trustee please. i want you to describe the. nature character of the person's character gathered together would you describe yourselves as an up or down crowd. says dan over all these i think it's the only way to get an answer is. everyone were reacting multiple different ways from what they were saying. it was a marine. interest driven like a cyber with counsel. and so we go again.

head phones and microphones in the edge of covert 19 where the attorneys can't approach the bench and speak to the judge directly so you've been hearing the voice of a witness because she and the next 3 witnesses are minors the judge has said they won't be seen on video and they won't be named curiously they have been identified in pictures that we've seen security pictures closed circuit t.v. which has been shown as exhibits and they've actually been asked to identify themselves so we have seen who they are bystanders people who were as she said filming the events as they happened the 8 minutes and 46 seconds or part thereof where dirt chauvin had his knee on george floyd's neck. testimony

resumes. for the technical difficulties of the new shooting pains in all of our ears. mr black all of you would think you are very sorry you were there with the other bystanders. if any of these bystanders ever threaten the police now. did any of them ever physically get violent but the police now. see when you see my. arrow and hear yes from the car. of a new team from officer town. i think that's his name other goodbye other than the bias you saw from mr shop and other police did you see any act of violence from the bystanders. did you see any other bystanders that act in any way that you would describe as now do you think it's fair to call them up.

amongst the miners who were there did you see any of that maybe ever actually offer here for mischief or. because in the years. i've seen. i heard them. say get off of him you're hurting him he can't breathe he's not moving but any time someone tried to close they were different so he can even get close so the 1st bus to stick with what you've heard the bystanders bystanders were saying things to mr shot. what things did you hear being set to this to shock the bystanders. yearning you know are you enjoying this he can't breathe he's not moving his nose is bleeding

your mom. pretty much is. words around that category. and when you arrived at the scene can you describe for us 1st of all what was the position the position of mr lloyd with your ride at the scene and sorry about this why. he would lay down on the ground restrained him and like he could move might spend his head and by restraint was he and handcuffs yes. byron restrained where was mr shop relation to mr floyd. he was his knee was kneeling on his neck it was 2 other officers holding him as well. and what did you hear or see mr floyd doing while he was being restrained as you described to me or just

a shot he is complaining about he was stating bad he was in pain he said he's make his back everything hurts i can breathe my. i want he he said i would get up if i could something around that i would say that his exact words. may have been pretty much he was saying. how much in pain he was he couldn't breathe. at some point. was there a person who came to the scene. we're going to find yourself as a firefighter. are you able to see her in this exhibit 104 is could you point to her. ok and let the record reflect she's pointing to genevieve that. she might have.

been shipped to us from. regulars the the witnesses identified the person in dressed in black holding up a hall where the way him them. in that exhibit 184. when this person who identified himself as a 5 part what did you do. she asked them to take as. well as you have to check in and here she asked officer shot him to check the pulse of this to the floor and then what happened. he remained kneeling on his make and she has multiple times not just once. then when it's your duty to try to check his props now they will even let us be close. and what prevented you from getting closer and you say when let's get close they were pull out me. who all

that mace of the 3rd towel inside of him. he put his hand on his knee they put their in on the inmates i can't remember if they actually pointed in earth but they definitely put their hand on the me and we are back at digital threatened by the police officer yes did you feel great about a shot you know is why is. he. feeling like. forever and. i felt like. i was in danger when he did that he wrote me the wrong way i don't understand. why they would do that what lead they did for him to make to make them do that. but it's one of those. already and i

don't understand why the maysan even needed at all. so as you were observing mr floyd. i'm in the a must to shop. did you ever see mr shop and do anything to offer care to mr floyd. did he ever give the letter or get up so that he could breathe no. did you ever see him try to administer c.p.r. now did you see him call anyone else to administer 8 mr floyd. if you call out and ask if anybody wants to bystanders in c.p.r. who might be able to help not at all. at one point did you see well let me ask this did an ambulance of some point arrive at the at the scene. and you saw him. again if not directly how many minutes after you 1st started

watching what was happening to this to floyd the ambulance show up. at the end of my video all the video is about 10 minutes i would say. maybe somewhere in. there so was there any point in your video where there's 910 minutes that mr chavez ever let i got out of the neck of mr floyd that you saw no anything he actually was kneeling harder when he was. showing his needs make like he was. so was it your experience than as the bystanders friend out. there has to shot in the open even our is that what you're saying. can you re phrase that you told us to look like this was kneeling. just for once or anything that was

a response to that he was feeling. i feel like he was. feeding off of our energy. speculation i want to will. surely take their morning break this yes. there is the jury we're going to break into 15. and this time we are in recess in minneapolis about 20 minutes later than expected the judge decided to move on with the 1st of 4 witnesses minus which is why you're not seeing them on camera and why their names the audiotapes when names are used the words i did point up you did also get to see them in some of the c.c.t.v. pictures which were shown in the court what we've been hearing is establishing of where the people will where this witness was where they were standing what they heard what they saw what they filmed on their phone and what

george floyd was doing at the time and in accordance with what we know he was saying i can't breath and calling for his life john hendren correspondent in minneapolis has been listening to all of this john let's backtrack a little bit 1st because earlier we had the witness who called 911 and said i'm witnessing a murderer. that's right that's donald williams who is a security officer somebody experienced in mixed martial arts fighting so he offered his own expertise on what he thought the officer was doing choking off in his words the blood to george floyd's neck and eventually rendering him unconscious and he talked about how he had his own experience being rendered unconscious in mixed martial arts fight and he said that he warned the officers to

stop doing that he said that is a blood choke and he said at that point derek show in the police officer with his knee and george floyd's neck locked eyes with him as if in the view of the witness to say yes that is what i'm doing and then he went on to say that he did call 911 he was asked why he did that and he said because i think i just witnessed a murder you can hear his voice the witness throughout the video saying stop doing that to the police officers clearly trying to get them to stop. holding george floyd down with a knee on his neck he said that that they were unresponsive to that the defense tried to get him to say that he was angry because of the things he was saying and mr williams said no i'm not angry i was i was being professional and he said he

objected to what he had seen and then you've got the 1st of what we understand to be 4 juvenile witnesses people under the age of 18 and as you mentioned come all that's why we're not seeing their faces or getting their full names but as you point out they are in the pictures that they self identify of themselves on the scene and these seem to be just the building blocks that the prosecution is trying to put together in order to say look for those of you in the jury who've watched this 9 and a half minutes of the video there's not a whole lot else going on here your eyes aren't being deceived and you know that because these are the witnesses who were there at the time and they're saying that all of these things occurred just as they do on the video the defense is trying of course to poke holes in that to suggest.