the u.n. world food program says more than 900000 people in mozambique now require food aid because of the crisis in public. how do we. had. teller get a free information with you here in doha the headlines and i'll just 0 of course in hong kong was convicted 9 prominent pro-democracy activists taking part in an unauthorized protest in 2019 thing clue the media tycoon for politicians and a barrister who's considered to be hong kong's father of democracy sarah clarke is at the courthouse in hong kong. this is some of the most high profile pro-democracy tempo's here in hong kong some of the bits and activists are here in hong kong and 7 of those so far have been found guilty you know we spoke to martin lee the father of democracy movement on his way and he said he's prepared to go to jail to fight

for democracy and fight for the rights of the freedoms of this former british territory also spoke to leach he's the man who organizes the tiananmen square vigil every year he's a veteran of this particular movement but he said he's prepared to go to jail he's prepared to continue his fight for democracy in july is also prepared we're looking forward to catching up with a number of the other members of the movement who are already behind bars the u.s. court has been shown police bodycount footage of the last moments of george floyd's life he could be heard begging the officers who arrest him not to shoot him it was during day 3 of the trial of the former officers accused of murdering him. u.s. border patrol has released video showing children literally being dropped into the united states by smugglers in the infrared pictures an adult can be seen dangling and then dropping a child from the top of the fence along the main the us mexico border moments later they drop another. at least 4 people including a child have been killed in

a shooting in the us state of california it happened at an office building in the city of orange just south of los angeles police say the suspect is in hospital after being shot by offices it's the 3rd mass shooting in the u.s. in 2 weeks the u.n. special envoy for me on mon has warned that a bloodbath is imminent unless significant moves are made to stop the violence briefing the u.n. security council christine berga so there's also a risk of civil war and france will enter its the national lockdown this weekend as a grapples with more than 30000 new coronavirus cases of a domestic travel is banned for at least a month as the headlines for you see here on out of here after studio b. unscripted. vaccines a promising paul thought of the pandemic but implementing the greatest inoculation in history is testing the global community around the world already a clear gap is that between rich nations and poor ones when it comes to vaccinating

their populations from the geopolitics to the pure economics the misinformation and the latest developments what's going on here is very different for a start but soon comes in the form of a nasal spray special coverage of the corona virus pandemic not just. racism and prejudice is always bad we all have it within us. to be based as science is political and always has been political and if you say you haven't been paying attention for the last 500. gets to have power he gets to write the script he gets to coach the team he gets to be the dogs. have certain graces the irony of the field of human genetics is that it was founded by racists to prove their superiority but as it develops and as i see dismantled the myth of biological rights the question is well has racism returned well here's

a surprise for you never went away my name's i'm a geneticist and broadcaster. and. i'm fine as it seems i'm an economist one time and activist ironically my mission is to prove that my journey from watching cost beginnings to oxford university makes me an anomaly not the norm it's not every day door of a comic having make it all the way to the united nations. i used to see sticks to show how an unequal system is built and justified to racial class gender and other forms of prejudice. for all the progress we've made as humankind the world still lives under the shadow of empire. as we see a rising populace and not just politics i don't mean i are using

a different expertise to tackle some uncomfortable questions like has science been to particle attacks and kind of gene test provide proof of someone's racial superiority just how racist classist sexist is the economy how can we plan for a future where people and planet come before profit i'm curious to see why it is an economist and a geneticist might have in common join us to find out. one of the shared things that we have is identity so what is your identity what is was it mean to you i have multiple identities like i think most of us to you i think if i started listing the london. pakistani media in british muslim female working class background and it's all of these different things that

come to mind and it's really what we would be really hard for me to say this one of the things he does that makes perfect sense to me i mean exactly the same and have those sort of multiple strands to one's identity but i think that trying to understand identity from a scientific point of view and why people so focused on identity that's a big so the strength of my work and i guess it's the same for you but from an economics and from an inequality point of view it kind of didn't start off that way i think one of the things about i mean i actually didn't want to get pigeonholed i wanted to be an economist because i thought you know that will mean i don't have to talk about race in the time but one of the things i noticed when i started doing economics is stop other economists and just in general the whole sector. doesn't even consider prejudice and racism and how that's playing into the economy so i ended up i guess doing both in the end talking about race and class and as well as the economy the way you said that is it has not never been expressed to me so

clearly because that reflects my own experience i didn't get into being a geneticist or studying evolution because i was interested in race and then at one point or some point you realize you can talk about human variation you can't talk about the genome. without addressing the fact that you're actually talking about the sort of structure that in the west has given us the racism that we enjoy today and i think it's also like do we have a choice so i'll want to talk about what we should do on wages. and what we should do on you know tax but ultimately i will also be honest about. the cost and so. i just i feel like it almost became kind of not a choice i could just i had to have that conversation on clause which i think often people of color don't get a chance to talk about so every time i went on t.v. someone by you didn't say your t.'s and i get like horrific even let is written to

me like you don't know how to speak properly and i got no i just sound like the people i grew up with me somethin so it's only things like come out you and you have to reply and say something do you find that you get pushback from other economists or you know within academia who because traditionally we don't address things like well specifically race because i certainly experienced in academia within genetics when you say there's structural bias season structural racism within science which is factually correct. i don't have people push back and say we're it doesn't affect my work you know because we're trying to pursue you objective truth and then you say well yeah but the way you do that is in a system which was fundamentally founded in order to serve a political ideology which was european expansion was the reaction to that because generally whenever you talk about race or racism people defensively in anthropology and genetics which is my sort of area of expertise is really founded in

a racist ideology and you say that to a historian and they go yes that's right that's right and often when i said scientists the reaction is either well a complete ignorance is it i have no idea or b. but you know the data is neutral right i'm going to this data set the data itself has no structural biases and you know i do that really. and then sometimes you go i go i astrophysics. i count stars does that have structural biases in it and admittedly that is more difficult but economics is the study of inequality surely is not just sort of foundational to it i want to talk about inequality and i've come at it from more of an economics background but when i say we should also think about the role of prejudice in the room kind of goes quiet because in admitting in there is prejudice in decision making in the economy how it is that low paid people tend to be you know migrant labor and disproportionately women in care what you

know that ultimately comes down to prejudice and who's got power and this just sometimes a conversation economists don't want to have because it's similar to scientists because that makes it political when we're not being political when everything of course is political and comes through in every way in which we look at things i inevitably look at always think about things raising costs lens because it's an important part of my identity yeah but it's not just it's not just your identity there is it's recognizing that. our society has structural racism built into it and she's a thing that a lot of people are less willing to to discuss and you know we're going through this weird period in britain where on the one hand a lot of people want to talk about empire and yet it's completely absent from it why it's a mockery of this resurgence because i keep know in as well the small bits on empire people want to talk about it why do you think it's come about at this time well i don't know i mean the private it doesn't exist really significantly you know

school school curriculums i think is fascinating you know i know more about henry the 8th 6 wives than i do about empire how did you learn about empire as an adult right through to writing books you know we talk about british history i mean talk about empire history in their books british history is the history of empire and science is an integral part of that you know sometimes i think scientists hold themselves to a higher account of they think that science is sort of immune or separate from for the lived lives real world experiences subjectivity and so on but it's not it's built into the system i find that it's part of that resistance is because people don't want to think they're racist and biased exposing these these prejudices and the ways in which we've got blind spots convenient blind spots you know some aspects of our history and racism and different types of prejudice when you start bringing that up people take it very personally very quickly the question i wanted

to ask you having written this on racism is whether you've got lots of racism as a consequence every time i talk about racism or it's we i will inevitably get e-mails in a twist or i'm and just loads of racism i'm being called a racist because i'm talking about races yeah absolutely i get a lot i it partly because a quarter because i quite like the 5 girls who would be doing it well i think it's been interesting and i think again. another parallel i see between us is that how one's own personal identity plays into how people understand the work that you're trying to do and again it relates to the sort suppose it a morality or a political nature of science which i don't think either of those things are true but also the sort of imposition of identity on to me you know you're really saying these things because you're mixed race you mentioned beginning your identity as

a working cars woman of color. muslim do people come to you and say well you're in saying that because of this i think that's implied in conversations i can have with people as i ran to be an m.p. where i grew up and i think and i still live and so. people kind of recognise my face from having run a campaign and someone stops me and said you know always vote conservative and i run for the labor party and they said you know you would have been great for the area but you need to stop talking about racism. and i just said racism 0 and he was like yeah it is and i was like so why would we stop talking about it i go well britain is one of the least races countries on earth but my response to that is well you know the least racist country is still racist i mean i just think people feel very threatened by some of that conversation you know for me the biggest frustration about not talking about empire in this country is that people don't

understand why people like me are hair right and i'm always fly you know i'm half feagin half funny my mom's family from pakistan that's moved during partition in my great grandmother ended up in fiji as indentured labor which i know is a have a similar story to you in that way and the money that exploded back from her labor all the way in the fiji islands is came back to the u.k. i mean i've been paul of the british working class but generations we've been part of it our history is a so intertwined so it could be a point of solidarity and connection and yet it's a conversation that just leads to division and fight and you're not really british i guess not a lot i was born in the switch there isn't a way that i could be more british and yeah i think the tenor of that conversation is to say well you are ok so you're legally british have a british passport you're not as british is as someone else who doesn't look like this that phrase you know we are here because you were there our parents were

british is when they came here one of the things that really strikes me as well about conversations about empire and identity and when it's you know when people want to attack me on and i'm like go and look at the fijian flag the fijian flag still has the union jack. you know don't tell me that i'm not british so i'm less british or you know this history is that my history right now in the u.k. and unfortunately in so many countries in the world a kind of certain type of ethno nationalism patriotism has come up that. could lose as many people as possible in order to create what we call hare in the u.k. these culture wars you know if something's going wrong in government if you've made the wrong decision about something can the pandemic quickly moan about black lives matter and talk about statues as a distraction and so we are constantly being thrown under the bus and you know for me one of the most of saying things about where the political conversation is going

in the u.k. and i can see in other parts of the world too. is that it's more divisive and it's harder to talk about racism and it's harder for someone like me to be considered british than it was even 5 years ago i know it's like people being wound up about certain issues and that has really toxified our conversation yeah that is definitely and demonstrably true i suppose one of the things that supposes for take from that is the notion that we talk about race much less in the past and maybe it's a better thing to expose these fractures which are in our society the fact that we can have this conversation is part of. making a better yeah but is then used against us so a positive conversation that is able to build solidarity and understand then is then used against us so why do people tell me i'm a racist when i talk about racism and they say you know you're dividing us by talking about racism but don't bring up is there any chance that you're not going

to talk about it let me know but the same here. i think this is a good point to go to the audience and get some questions you can see all these lovely faces on the screen. for. history in color. is this is where racism is likely to royce and voice social conditions you know we can get a situation where there is very very little risk of. bigotry is eternal right it's a part of the human condition we try to battle against prejudice but it is inbuilt but the racism that we endure today which is part of this what we're talking about the structure of western civilization and by extension via colonialism the the racism that exists all over the world that is i'm an invention i like is an invention of the enlightenment and this is why i'm part of this conversation because it's an invention which is predicated on pseudoscience that was

specifically invented to serve the political ideology of european expansion so it's not so much that you know we can look at specific points in our history of empire history of civilization it's more to understand how the structures were so into society and whether they're ephemeral whether that just is just the last 300 years or so you know from my point of view as a scientist why i think scientists should know their own history but more broadly why we should just be better at understanding the complexities of history yes i've been working with several different countries around the wilds looking at the landscape of inequality. what we call exclusion so marginalized groups and thinking a lot about the history of those how those communities and those problems and challenges came up and the relation ship over time and now between an economic inequality and the way in which capitalism is working in different parts of the

wild and the elites are taking up power and wealth and how that is result in. more prejudices coming now you know when i think about how we tackle inequality going forward and where it's been tackled in history it's really 2 key things one is having universal policies like universal health care you know the can osteo population and treating them equally through the state and secondly really actually getting into the issue of why we are disliking each other and trying to build bridges you've got to tackle both the economics of it as well as the sense of belonging so that different groups feel part of society and feel that they have a say oh i want to do as a person of color i come across discourse an argument about race is a lot of time and one particular i do believe that i come across is when people try

to argue with our diverse jury system is real how do you recommend ducking the debate. yes this is something that comes up quite a lot but actually now the people that all. finding that hard you know are less likely to get a job are white men for instance and i is a trope in the argument that's used really often but still when you look at the statistics of who is in the top jobs it's. so often in disproportionately men white men and from very privileged backgrounds right so we still have in this country where we have you know over 70 percent of our judge is went to private school like we've still got. more men than women in routing conservative party and you know just actually looking at the facts it's just not true to say that in this context in the u.k. that you are being held back because of your identity yet when you look at all of

the other stats for you know black men or misnamed women you know they will tell you the exact opposite story that is still harder for them to get work you know i think in my experience most people's understanding of racism is sort of personal insult so attributing physical characteristics. and bigotry based on those physical characteristics which is which are part of one's ancestry when actually a major chunk of racism is is what pfizer was just talking about which is these these structural piracies that are laden in decades or centuries of of history there's a phrase they use in the book which i borrowed of a feminist writer called this which is if all you've ever known is privilege then equality feels like oppression and i think of us the most important sentence i've ever copied or someone else because it's really hard to recognize one's own privilege i think if i can underline story that's also told alongside this that i

hair is where people should just get the job because they're the best diet and they've got the mode. skills but his given the opportunity to get those skills and go to go to that university or go to that private school is so much to do with it race and color so whatever you know particular particular marginalise characteristic there is in your community in your country ok let's have another question in several american countries who are facing legal leads from the abuse are these using by really to listen should listen. to 5 minutes and if you write how can we reach those in power who are the ones producing and benefiting from this for a decision really come back to power. and it does come back to how you build movements to counter that early because often. they're not just going to give

away thing and just do it because there are nice tests and then might be the odd benevolent leader that is you know that might be a good. person that wants to make genuinely want to make the country better and attack when equality but unless you have an accountant movements often that power isn't kept in check and that's true of high medium low income countries and that's much easier said than done especially in countries where you're going to see you know get a big force back and you know there's a very strong and say violent reaction at times i think actually is about having movements and demonstrating that you can take those kind of actions were not going to stand for it we the people are not going to stand for it i think science is a slightly different role to play in this which is that politicians and indeed people use science as a sort of crutch to defend their arguments and you see this all the time we've seen it through covert and there was the immediate racialization of covert assoon as it

was apparent. in this country black and asian people were more susceptible to infection and in america back asian and. hispanic latino people the same immediately the conversation goes well what is the molecular biology of this is this something to do with biological essential has made it to do with that mindy metabolism well you know it might be in a very what a very small way we don't know the answer to that question yet but the truth of the matter is that we can account for the majority of that disparity in very straightforward socio economic terms because it's not you need to go over it right it's the same for all diseases because race is part of our societal structure and medicine is racialized for exactly those same reasons so we know that people of minority ethnic backgrounds are more likely to be in key work at jobs. more likely to live in urban areas in densely populated areas with multigenerational households

and all of those things are factors which increase the racialization of medicine none of which are biological it was really striking how quickly they went to pseudoscience blaming black and brown people as genetics essentially rather than recognizing that they are disproportionately on the frontline manning the national health service driving the taxis driving the buses you know doing the delivery walk and and what could have been a moment where we say look at the multi ethnic working class and the way in which they contribute to this country even though what they are and some of the lowest wages is became a conversation about all this black and brown people dying because then unhealthy to have another one and you have spoken about science is racist and how it has been used to assert inferiority of the minority communities it is this lack of confidence in the medical institutions which is now fueling fear and hesitancy

tools of vaccines so what must medically. governments and science do in general to rebuild that trust i think community engagement is the real answer and you know just what you are saying the n.h.s. is is peopled by such a an astonishing array of ethnic diversity and yet we do see we see resistance to into medical interventions such as vaccines from particular communities so we need those communities checked you know to be champions and to have people like just trying to get us over those sorts of barriers because it's going to be absolutely essential otherwise what we're going to end up with these pockets of exacerbated social disparity and socio economic schisms the in a sort of spiral part of the reason that this isn't getting the attention that is shared and part of the reason that that wasn't. a clear plan it was very evident

that black and brown people were dying now. is because of racism is because certain groups are overlooked and then all and pirate ties to when it comes to government policy making if it was more white men dying then what would the conversation be and what would they have put in place for a particular plan saying there's something going on here and that it's just been really hard to get any real action on this even though we've seen from the death rate the fact that bad i do think representation is extremely important in this just like in the rest of society there is there are disproportionately few black and brown scientists and all labs and that's not even equally distributed within i think minorities or ethnic groups within science but i think about it in terms of. being a normalizing process by that if it takes some comes the action now in 10 years time we're not having this conversation right please i don't know we having this conversation instead i feel i've been saying the same things for 10 years already

inside clear but in a few years time it stops being an issue why we stop talking about it. the concept of anti racism has been weaponized against until racists which is you know fundamentally problematic today the stereotype about the white working class is a really negative because that ties into this race to scream humankind is not exonerated from this conversation is the natural phenomena that this endemic occurred it's because of our changing relationship with the environment. planets are a wondrous diverse ecosystem but human activity is the escalating climate change and posing a nexus tensional threat in the lead up to us to al-jazeera runs special cover ups documentaries discussions under pull ups exploring the consequences of auctions and

interactions and showcasing ways in which some are seeking to turn the tide the season of programming exploring the climate crisis head of the earth day on al-jazeera. from the al-jazeera london broil cost center to people in thoughtful conversation i got much worse races than when i was at the university of oxford which really scared me because i was like these people are going to be in positions of power with no host and no limitations empire is the reason that we live in a multicultural society part 2 of pfizer's shaheen and adam rather fit studio b. unscripted on al-jazeera in some time i call swoons students are being bullied abused and humiliated by their teachers one a one east investigates thailand school scandal on ill just see.

if you want to help save the world. sneeze enduro. think. hello again adrian fenty going to here in doha but the top stories on al-jazeera a court in hong kong has convicted 7 prominent pro-democracy activists for taking part in an unauthorized protest in 20192 others have already pleaded guilty they include a media tycoon former politicians a barrister who's considered to be hong kong's father of democracy so a clock reports from outside the courthouse in hong kong. even the pleaded not guilty we have said.