what did you do. but at that point started working on. getting working out if you have access. and. was there sort of a switch of jobs when the firefighters came and. yes at some point the officer stopped moved to near where he was sitting so when the firefighters came did you feel like there were enough people to. do what you needed to do for mr foote in order to get him or even to go. so you said the officer stepped up. did one of the firefighters take over with respect to what you were working on the airway that there was a stove or. working on squeezing the bag to breathe for the patient maybe you could just describe how that works does someone need to squeeze the bag in order to provide that is or just

a bag that you're going to squeeze roughly every 5 or 6 seconds to breathe for the patient and so after you can set it up. and the firefighters arrived did one of them take over that part. i want to read us and then he said you moved down and assisted with the key just described that. i just worked on trying to get access and was there some difficulty with that. a little bit they believe. i believe we had access at some point but i don't know when that was done and what is i o. access it's a needle that drills into your bone in your leg it's another way of getting medications and why. why would you need to have that kind of access. series and medications to try to resuscitate them and if you could describe why

you might initially go from one location to move into iowa access. it was often done if you're having difficulty with. it's common to do in a cardiac arrest. and i our stance our control. start some point did that get established and i. know it was that the way that the medications were minister. i want to look at the. minister do you recall that he was administered as medication yes. what do you do after that. we. continue working or substituting for a period of. had everything.

done i wanted to and then i went to the front and started driving to or maybe you could just explain you know was there something that you needed to accomplish before you. felt comfortable moving again getting driving the vehicle. you know i think. there's a standard set of. guidelines for american heart association is how we're trained in how we do care in our substation. we have all those things in place what are those things just generally what do you what are you trying to do you know just. say chest compressions breathing foreman doing medications if you give them and is it your objective to have those things in place before you transport. you know it's time sensitive to to have them done so review if and read over and maybe you can

explain why what's time something about these resuscitative. prophecies. the longer. the patient goes without receiving the substation the lower like likelihood they will be. and in your training as a paramedic you talking about time sensitivity when it comes to resuscitate efforts things like c.p.r. or anything like that what are you trained to do in terms of timing. is a critical question yeah 1000 question is it important to start resuscitative efforts immediately after someone does not. and why is that. to. primary goal i would say is circulating blood through just impressions. and you

previously testified if there's a delay that lessen your. likelihood of success. what happens if there's a delay. but it's my understanding that's not good for others. so i'll tell you after you had the things in place that you just described did you then. transport minister flaying. to the hospital you know this and. really the driver. i'm going to put on the screen just for you an exhibit that has not have been admitted as exhibit 67. can you see that.

and does this image fairly inaccurately show you and your partner in the firefighters unloading mr flamed. at the hospital. your honor and offerings and a 67 judge. has received. permission thank you. and. once you got to the hospital did us in. moving mr fly transfer him inside of the hospital with the others yes. we can think that sounds like you. and what happened at that point in time once you were bringing him to the hospital . room we call the state room for critical patients we bring him into your. own there and move him over to.

and what was his condition you had talked about. at the beginning of your interaction with him once you. worked on him and then brought him to the hospital what was his condition in fact point in time. i don't know what his exact cardiac rhythm was a point but his overall condition to change. and that you know did. change is. what was there a period of time of the selectric. at some point and have been at some point after at the. can't tell you exactly what it was but so just so we know what we're talking about here what is electrical activity. essentially. what should it's picking up an organized rhythm electricity over your heart but we don't feel a pulse anywhere so it's about our purposes of refusing which so

we can to you chose compressions i see said not profuse and what does that mean. yes or no we don't feel. being pumped through the body to your organs. and. if you. as someone is being worked on our actions are being given. 10 things change in terms of the heart rhythm and your experience as a paramedic. but if you have a pulse that's electrical activity. does that and what does that mean. in terms of the change. it's. as far as how we're going to be resuscitated him it's the same as a system so the course of action. remain the same. there

is a sleepy is the same protocol i guess you call it for a resuscitated and. even though there was. when he 1st arrived he was an assistant at some point later there were. at any point did he regenerate a pulse or. come to be revived you know. and also leave the hospital was there a report given to step to the hospital about his condition and all those things that you you dead yes my partner would have given no record and where you assisting with other means as well as part of that process. and what did you do after. the patient with mr footman's handed off to your.

medical staff. over to just bring equipment back to our truck and putting it back together. again over the course of your interaction with him in treatment of mr if i didn't you know this. positive change revival. you know i think. good afternoon sir. sorry i have to check the time thank you for being here does

have a few follow up questions for you. i wanted to understand sort of very brief. briefly the progression of your education and kind of the differences in c.p.r. training and different than being an e.m.t. . cation yes yes. yes so the basic kind of resuscitative training someone could receive would be. c.p.r. certification. yes and then kind of a higher level of education would be and he emptied. and then a higher level than an e.m.t. as a paramedic. and then up through you know all the way up to doctors. and you are a paramedic you said you've been about 4 years now. without

a. how many years total as a paramedic. started as a paramedic 13. had it been for hennepin county do you frequently service halls in the city of minneapolis. do you frequently call service calls where police officers are involved. do you. have you arrived in a scene where you've seen officers. on top of a person before. have you been called to other calls where a suspect has struggled with police. yes. what does it mean to stages in e.m.'s. what does that mean the stage.

if your friend staging for safety purposes correct yeah if. if a scene is not safe. we will stage in the area wait for. police to give us. that it's safe to come in and just for clarification purposes you are not asked to stage an a so that. because of the crowd you know you are but generally speaking it's common for police to arrive at the scene deal with whatever the. circumstances are. e.m.'s is called in after police is dealt with the danger of the situation. he said a question again kind of a long winded police were frequently go to

a call before he had mass to deal with some dangerous situation. yes completely different. of course of being a paramedic have you responded to other overdose calls or overdose calls. and is it e.m.'s policy to have police respond to those calls with you. yes they do i can reference a policy but ok in my practice they. experience that. and use that because when people are sometimes resuscitated or treated for an overdose they become. aggressive and violent. is it isn't the practice to have police respond to those calls because when people

are resuscitated or revived from an overdose they can become violent or aggressive and sometimes how do you personally see not happen. to may 25th of 2020. you were the dryer of the ambulance back to correct or for this call. after after all of this you would agree that you have met with law enforcement officers during the course of the investigation of this case. and you have made statements and know those statements were recorded. and do you know that have you had an opportunity to review a transcript of your statement prior to today's testimony. ok. you've also met with the prosecution team

a couple of tons is that correct in preparation including as late as last night correct yes. and you kind of just talked about what your testimony was going to be today. or this 125th when you arrived. you testified that you saw sort of a crowd standing out around the police officers. and when you arrived at the ambulance actually pulled ahead of where mr ford in the officers were located correct yes and that would be for ease of loading him into the ambulance. yes so that basically the back of the ambulance would be in line with mr floyd's and mr floyd going to get him in the ambulance right yes and so when you got out of the ambulance and you walked back towards the office you would have had to walk back towards the correct. yet again you know yes i don't

know which side. but if you're the driver you would have gotten out of the driver's side and walked along the driver's side of the car doesn't mean i walked on that side. to the back of the ambulance but ok you may have gone around i may have gone around ok do you recall describing to agents the position that you saw mr floyd in at that time. yes i remember something about it. you remember time yes and what did you tell the agents about how you observed mr ford's body position to be. the memory was on the ground and. do you remember saying that he was primarily on his left side. i think it is. and is that what you recall today. he was.

i don't remember if i clarified it. occurred to me that he was leaned to his left is kind of i think what i tried to say so he was kind of leaned to his left and i think you saw him he was sort of rolled forward onto his stomach yes i mean would you dispute me if i say that's what the transcript refers to know ok are . you in your partner decided to do was call them go right. to the end don't run into we. didn't leave we move to a different location yes. and that was our concern because of the people that were around. and the general atmosphere at the scene at that point. yes those are yes. in terms of forgot to ask you one question generally speaking in terms of.

your response to. calls where police are struggling with an individual. with. the purpose of a kind of. multiple purposes. someone if they are struggling is able to. see that you didn't apply ketamine in this case. so you loaded mr. into the ambulance correct. and one of the 4 minneapolis police officers you observed. got into the ambulance with correct yes it was one of the same officers that you observed on mr floyd after. i wasn't keeping track of who was who at that point.

believe he was near. the photos that we looked at. those came from what appeared to be a bottom board camera correct there's no camera in the. compartment of an hennepin county. or. you do not wear body cameras as paramount expect those photographs came from an officer's body work there yes and so. that officer initially started assisting with chest compressions of mr floyd. yes i wasn't in. your partner was yes he would probably be the person. yes i would have been. put in the watch. i was there for. in front. so you've seen the body or camera footage from inside of the

ambulance. scene a good amount of it i don't know if i've seen all of it ok. you describe the lucas device putting on the floor that you describe that lucas device that does the chest compressions right. use your partner that was putting that on with that police officer. you know i was putting that on the police officer so you know and he saw you were in the ambulance when the officer was performing just impressions yes. 3060 park a gun that dangerous mission so the 1st thing you did was load mr floyd in to the vehicle you drive to 36 and park right while you drove that distance of 36 and park the officer was in the back with your partner performing just impressions i would assume it was an arm and then when you got into the back to assist your

partner that's what you observed was the officer performing just impressions what i remember the. time you know and then you and. and he actually attacks the lucas device to mr floyd. and it was a little difficult to get on there was a latch problem or something. and then at some point you testified that you did i think you call it a. device. an airway iterative us i'm sorry. you inserted that into mr floyd's mouth. right now does that actually go down to the throat is it like. a 2 that goes through the throw. ok and difficulty getting that. no there was a difficulty getting it. right in finding the 1st one i was too small so there are different sizes those human sizes. initially put that went in and then had to pull

it out and put a larger one in so there was nothing constricting or obstructing your ability to insert that device into his mouth and through. you know. the medications if you described the sodium and the enough and were applied and some other medications as well. you know have to look at the report to know exactly what many of these but just one of them and once you kind of got those initial 3 things you described on. me at some point fire came up as well. and let me ask you one question i forgot to ask you about the initial call. was going to correct and it got upgraded to code 3 meaning lights and sirens and that was about a minute and

a half after the initial call greed but it's when i looked at the times from what i've seen after it looked like it was about a minute and a half in the time from when i got up created until you arrived on scene which was 66 and a half minutes something like that. ok and. then it was you ave was it you who had fire to the call or was it your partner. i believe. i can't say for sure who said it 1st i think my. partner said it 1st over the radio ok and that's when fire gets dispatched and they ultimately you know where to cut food 1st i've heard that afterwards yes you do know what at the time you know when i as we were moving. to 36 and park i went to the radio and told her dispatch that we're going to be moving to fire

meet us there. and that. the information you had as you were initially responding was that there was a mouth injury correct yes. there was information that them may be intoxicated or impair. yet there were some knowns. camera the exact wording was or something of substance use or. markets a narcotic or substance use concern. and then there was a note saying he was on top vehicle ok so you remember seeing that in the computer aided dispatch. that on the way to the 1st part of that would have been my. partner that would have seen that over and then. there was also some information that police had mr ford restrained on the ground right.

in there kennedy knows. i mean yeah i'm not sure there was a. great arriving i'm not sure for you that but. i don't recall if it said he was restrained or not ok. for questions so. back to your. some. about responding to scenes where someone might be. and terse struggling things of that nature. and when you got to the scene. was mr struggling or violent and anyway. didn't appear to you that he was already dead when you got

there. i really didn't know what i. seen but i did not see him as a test for earlier. i was saying very much i don't see them moving everything right what you saw did you see someone. who appeared to be responsive. and in cardiac arrest. as we were and yes and. you were asked some questions about. ketamine things of that nature. ketamine is a drug that's given to people that are alive and struggling. sometimes yes and is that a treatment option for you for somebody who is. exhibiting those behaviors that you were asked about violence and struggling that sort of thing it alive and moving

basically right for profound urge patience and something that's really violent you would not give that to somebody who is dead or in cardiac arrest or understand that . we would not give a. rat's about responding to. overdose. overdose is your job. where you will respond to overdose death or an opioid opioid. overdose death. what do you look for in terms of someone's. look at them to see if there are small people who are really small when you say small is that like pinpoints constricts very good point yes and do you know what place you. look like when you and your partner. i don't recall

looking at them. or some of partner. and you receive a report about that. from him. yeah if you would have if you did say something. but i think it over there he said but all right well then from that you were asked some questions about the crash. and whether that was the reason to move mr fly to another location or those questions on cross examination and. you testified on direct examination that there are a number of things that you consider when you determine whether to move someone is that right. so is having a crowd one of those things that you might consider. one thing to consider yes but you also talked about how you needed a significant amount of equipment that was in your ambulance is that right.

rephrase what are the other things that you consider in terms of why you have to move somebody to another location. if there. are more what are the things that you take into account when deciding whether to move a patient to another location. into the ambulance was equipment was a consideration of that. being in a good environment. and did do you also well. you may have testified about this but it does require focus on your heart yes and. are all of those things part of your consideration on a scene about what goes. on just a moment.