police going to the left. for people outside one of whose often for hits and i do not recognize your walking through do you recognize her now for motive could you just use that as the stylus or your finger but it's a touch screen if you could just indicate where she gets these sort of. green mark above where indicating genevieve hansen is can you just indicate where you are in this photo. and there's an area where you just mean that mark and then. could you identify jennifer hall as well did you know any of the other individuals in this in this photo. if we could move to exhibit 71 please. i'm sorry 7 you can't please. all right so did you ultimately enter the store and have a brief interaction as you described with a law enforcement officer and there you go and does it exhibit 70 to show that are

. actually more clear what is exhibit 72. shut up i do believe it would be them but a camera of the officer with whom we are speaking and who is pictured in this in which i worked. for holmes to the right and was this insight. yes but it was a back story all right and as you describe when you learned. that there was no patient there. welcome back to the 71 you've. now got exhibit 71 screen did you then exit the store. yes and can you describe what it is that we were doing in exhibit 71 where there's a graph so. once you have the additional information facts and.

what is your next record you know. we are directed to. the medics at $36.00 and park avenue self we come back of 4 truck and we responded to $36.00. and. what did you see when you. got there. the security medical center ambulance was parked on the side of the street just self of 36. and i'm at. the exhibit 74 inches already been admitted. ultimately can you just describe what point of view this and showing in exhibit 74. that's not me but this would be much of the view from my seat and so. in the foreground what is that if a fire truck that you were an. he does this from start the us this photo was taken

from the front seat of the fire truck facing the ambulance and is that where your fire rang part in terms once you arrive at that location to meet up with the ambulance. oh yes i have and what did you do once iraqis at that location. they were partner for all i got out of the fire truck and we went into the ambulance and turned from the side door and what did you observe at that france time. 2 paramedics. one police officer and a patient on the stretcher. what appeared to be the condition of the patient that you observed. he was he was face up on the stretcher he had an airway an advanced airway so we had

a breathing tube going into his throat. and he had the lucas compression device which is a c.p.r. kind of a new mattock c.p.r. device in place and. working. when you say working and what do you what does that mean it was it was pumping up and down to. pump is just of his heart and. for some of the station was he later identified. by name. has been struck for you so you said that he had an airway in place and we're just machinist pumping what did you observe about his overall condition. i mean other than the she was unresponsive right what i mean maybe not other than map and what do you mean by that response of what did you see. person who is not

who's basically who's. it's a confusing question i'm sorry. and just tell him he was he was an unresponsive body ellicott the airway was in place so that we could breathe for him or some of the responders could birth people could breathe for him and the device was compressing so hard to get blood going through his body and when you say breathe for am. what does that mean. it was not clear about that airway device goes in through the furrowed gets and basically gets better access into the lungs for some sort of an airway an oxygen delivery device in our case would be a bag of mask could be pm which is a nerve football sized. compressible bag that we squeeze every 6 seconds to bring air into their lungs and it's oxygenated air so when you say bring 4 am do that by using that. d.v.m.

and actually squeezing it gives them back so i'm certain into your question the absence of those actions the picture would have been colson unresponsive not breathing and for all intents and purposes dead. ok and was were you aware of the status of perspex an impulse that was the patient process when you interact. we do not check a pulse until. we took over oh excuse me they were working we join them as part of their protocols they we did pulse checks multiple times from when we arrived into we arrived at the stable c did anyone ever find a pulse no and when you 1st came back when you 1st got on the ambulance so you such a paramedics was there a law enforcement officer who was also in the back of the ambulance and when you arrived did you get such and such places did he exit the ambulance oh

yes my key was i believe on the bed sheet i cleared amelle took the seat at the head and took over a ventilation for the patient and he said ventilations are you talking about that the v.m. system so where you squeezing it for there's a process to work yes. the officer left the ambulance and you were working on squeezing the b.v.m. well what what happened next if you go do you proceed to the hospital with the paramedics. those are those are those are 2 questions ok let's start the press front and maybe i can just rephrase it better what did you do after you took over the squeezing of the baby am i myself continued that until we were cleared at the state room it had become emergency ok so did you continue to do that perform that act all the way until you got to the hospital this minute and. what

did you do once you arrived at the hospital with the patient mr 50 he continued from the airless into the room which is their critical care a room i believe there were 2 other cases our patients are to be in there so the room was a little hectic they were still assembling their staff so i continued at his head breathing for him for a short amount of time until they're 13 took over and cleared us and once you were . cleared and what does that mean cleared well it's a hospital they have a lot of people who can do our job so they basically kick us out so they can take over the more comprehensive care. why didn't you at that point once you were clear . i mean did you ultimately need a ride we left the we left the hospital and.

oftentimes when we when we were a company the medics. down to the hospital in critical patients cases or refer truck is not allowed to drive through lights just to follow us that will be ok with the medics and so they. they will they will responded to put in how far away it is we can stand out on the street for several minutes and additionally i had a radio to my driver to to go back to the scene of 33 chicago check on the off duty firefighter and why did you do that why did you have other members of your team check on me after the fire. member once as i said we came in with very little information and even when i spoke with her on the scene i had no understanding of the cause of her distress so once we got in the evidence and i saw the severity of mr flint's condition and the gravity i understood i was able to infer or put together because she had been talking about and i and i understood the.

the justification for dress and so i sent my crew back to check on her to make sure she was ok. so once you put those pieces together and understand mr france conditions and where there are additional actions that you you took after leaving meaning the hospital yes but what's really far truck came to pick us up. we kind of had. a brief kind of a deep brief in the really talking because we had my partner and i had a very different experience from her and the other firefighter because especially very covert we were either going in one at a time or because i repeat i was trying to give her experience so my my senior firefighter and my driver remained on the rig for most calls from the end of march through mid summer in this case while my partner jennifer hall and i entered the

rig and curtain someone who was not responsible and. this is that way the fire for excuse me the police officer. was kind of the cause of the sort. i suspect for one second you said that you and your partner jennifer halls were working together and you got on the ambulance. what were the other members of your current doing and who were they just been published that. steven mubarak is a firefighter and tracy turbo is my driver fire motor operator so were all 4 of you seen get there on a tiny fast last year and i'm tired had to finish the question 1st that he can take it all down but all parties that work together i mean tony signed that right yes and. who was it that you sent to go talk to the our

city firefighter genevieve hanson. every motor boat for the motor took the rig. back to the scene and he said the scene is that food is good and was where were you while that was going on we really everyone's 36 and park and then we were in route to the hospital and then the mattress of the hospital and when you say they are smelly did you trace it about and from your team. and then you said before you had a deep grief is that right briefly yes what did you do. so over.

ok so we have been a watching the testimony of jeremy norton he is a fire department employee a captain with the fire department in minneapolis. and basically he was one of the 1st responders that showed up at the scene just outside the cup foods store after george floyd had already lost consciousness so he was really painting a picture of the kind of assistance that was attempted to give to georgia floyd including a chest compressions anything that could be done until he arrived in the hospital that he was taken out spittle. into the fire department yesterday and what was that. 2 fold arms were. children please custody and i wanted to notify my

supervisors to notify the proper people above us in the city both of our department and whomever else and then i also wanted to inform my deputy that there was an off duty firefighter who was a witness. if you know. governor captain or if you know thank you for being here just want to clarify a couple things on the timeframe it's are. going to show you what's already been admitted as exhibit. 151. you're familiar with the computer aided dispatcher incident detail reports. this is exhibit 151 as a computer aided dispatch from this incident. this

initial. call for e.m.'s code to occurred at 2011 seconds according to this read. and that was upgraded this incident was upgraded to 28 cracked code 3. well sir it's a slightly different above so multi agent. police. are no sir so you've got 3332135 yes or no and then you have some info for us at 82721 that is correct and that is a very happy someone had a male restrain on the ground correct yes just beauty of ministry. fire was if

you for 12 which is the emergency ambulance added fire at 828. that's what it says. alerted everyone that they were at 36 and park at 831 and 12. the francis. then there is this mat come call 33 where e.m.'s is asking for fire department for patient conditions. yes. that down here are the 5 and 13 seconds says. minneapolis fire department 2 in route to park in 36. and you are 2 minutes out 36

and 7 seconds. for port and yes and so you arrived at about 830 correct i'm not sure tony arrived there about within about 2 minutes as of your cough i believe yes i believe it was a 37 yes ok so the original call for 4 e.m.'s code to 17 minutes prior to when you got to the entrance. could you clarify please regional call e.m.'s code 2 for mouth injury at 820. that is not for us understood but that's 17 minutes after the original call went out correct then looks appropriate yes you were called or fire i should say was called at 828 and 36. was always radio transmission user and the fire incident was treated 7 seconds later at 28 and 43 seconds.

so fire was notified 2843 our dispatch was yes. and what time did you arrive based on your recollection come through. our station opened obit 2030 we arrived at 2032 inch inch ok so again 12 minutes after the original call for service. yes or and when you arrived paramedics had already removed mr floyd from the scene and gone to 36 and park which is why you didn't find him for us or. ira for actions for. kevin are you were asked a series of questions and found your response time in the timing. i think you

testified on cross that the initial call you said we're going to mco to mount andrew is not for us can you just describe what you are. what you mean by that well there are 2 best my understanding the the 911 system which is many stories below is that there is a 911 dispatcher for civilian calls there is a police dispatcher there is a fire department dispatch and there is a e.m.'s have been to our medics dispatcher their own the same room they're all in different channels so if what i believe was a call from one of the police officers for you must go to would have gone from that officers radio directly to their dispatch and then their dispatch would have made a decision based on information given what level of d.m.'s response to sent so what

you get when you're responding to a call are you this information isn't necessarily showing up for you on a friend somewhere while you're sitting in the station. man which information i think that is it one of the few one that listens to you and the capricorn. not that is no ma'am that is a kind of a more of an aggregate. ok so. just to be clear you know what was the initial information that you received with respect to your firefighters and your fire station it's them i believe it was co 2 i don't remember what the dispatcher said over the air but it was something to be effective you know or. respond to help better or. to decode foods and then though what popped up on our screen. is one with a mouth injury so when would you have ever seen that information it's in the station opened up in the run was generated onto our screen by the dispatch and when

he said the station opened up and the run was generated when would that have been. 483020302021 seconds so the information. you received from your guest actually was approximately 130 in fact yes. and that would have been after information communicated from other sources to other dispatch the fact i don't know if you know much of that. thank you no no further questions. for before you step down from the military we're going to take our 20 minute minute afternoon break with reconvene of 3 to. ok short break for the jury now we have of course been watching to their chauvelin trial for the murder of george floyd have have to say in the past few hours we've heard from the 1st responder responders who got to the scene 1st we heard from seth zachary vendor

than they're exposed to paramedics that showed up at the scene and we've just been hearing the testimony of jeremy norton a captain within the fire department in minneapolis a lot of details there i suppose about the timing and the effort that was put into trying to resuscitate george floyd possibly using the most memorable 'd. sentence a phrase came from derrick smith when the paramedics said he was trying to give george floyd a 2nd chance at life ok well let's go to our correspondent who's outside the court in minneapolis gave. gabe we heard there the fire department employee also being questioned by eric nelson for the defense a lot of details about the exact timing of all of this really trying to paint a picture of what happened when the 1st responders showed up side cups.

yeah that's right there's a lot of detail here the trial is moving into a different phase the 1st 3 days it was about the emotion of eyewitnesses on scene and what they saw bystanders if you will people that were in the store with george lloyd at the time now the trial is moving into a much different phase and this is the phase of more of the professional responders medical professionals that responded to the paramedics who responded now they're asking a lot of detailed questions of these folks and the reason why is this they're trying to determine at least the prosecution is trying to draw out from this testimony. was george floyd dead when the paramedics arrived and the short answer to that based on the testimony that we've been hearing today is the answer is yes they are saying that when they arrived. george floyd appeared to be dead and they were trying to resuscitate him which they were not able to do some other details that we

heard were paramedics saying when they arrived on scene. derrick chauvinist still had his knee on george floyd's neck and paramedics were saying that when they arrived nobody else was there trying to offer aid to george floyd so these are all very critical pieces of information that are coming out in this part of the trial now. outside the courthouse there in minneapolis gave for the moment thank you let's go to ronald sullivan who's a professor of law and director of the criminal justice institute at harvard law school he joins me now by skype from newton in massachusetts great to have you back with us what have you made of the testimonies that we've heard over the past hour. well the prior speaker is absolutely right we are moving into a different phase of the trial what's going on here is that they are trying to

establish that their colvin killed george floyd that he was dead and when the 1st responders i got there they were attempting to revive him into recess a datum so i had to go into a lot of detail but here's what's going to happen each of these little detail pieces are part of a narrative part of a story there's a famous saying by an evidence professor called wigmore the world's most famous evidence professor and it's this a brick is not a wall the entire case theory is like a law and the prosecution is trying to build that theory brick by brick by brick and then in the end they're going to be able to put it all together in oregon you at closing as to why you should find for their side so well the prosecution is trying to put together this walbridge by brick the defense in cross-examination each of their questions is designed to remove one of the bricks that the

prosecution has has put up so that's what we're seeing now this next part the time what time was this what time was that is a little dry and i bet the jury feels that it's a little dry but i don't suspect that the prosecution will linger too long on one on these sorts of witnesses but i guess the big when it comes to timing that is crucial is those 34 minutes we don't really know when george floyd lost consciousness and i guess showing what situation the 1st responders were met with is crucial in understanding how key those minutes just preceded by. oh absolutely and for every 2nd even not just minutes for every 2nd that george bush lost consciousness and no one attended to and that's absolutely critical and you can see that with the videos and i suspect that he you're going to have competing narratives here that the government's going to say and look you show it you don't

really need an expert to tell you this you saw the man lifeless with the new in his neck for a long time the defense is going to come back and say slow down this is not a case about emotions this is a case about evidence let's hear what the experts say and they're going to invite the jury to credit the testimony of their own experts. ronald sullivan professor of law and director of the criminal justice and stickit at harvard law school assert thank you so much for sharing your expertise and then views on that with us for the moment thank you. and the jury have been sent out for a short 15 minute break we will of course bring you the latest from the direction of in trial for the murder for the murder of george floyd of course who died on the 25th of may 2020 will also bring some of the day's other news from around the world to be back in just a few minutes joined by. a

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