thing is solved there are no vaccines on for straighted not knowing when this crisis will stop there are no jobs it's sad so many people we love are dying and we have no support it's very sad. with a vote so divided there will be a ballot it's and that could be that the next president could be a lame duck from day one innocent just notice he doesn't. want to make out the headlines now jordan is saying that it's prevented what it called a malicious plot by top officials and king abdullah's half brother to be stabilize the country the deputy prime minister says security forces intercepted communications between the former crown prince and foreign policy is planning to undermine jordan security at least 14 people have been arrested so far prince sounds as he's been placed under house arrest himself for his hit back accusing

jordan's ruling establishment of corruption and incompetence meanwhile his around the middle east have been voicing their support for king abdullah with his saudi and moroccan counterparts quoting him to express solidarity with. the state intelligence with already has been closely monitoring activity from his home his homes are very possible that some of the will of those whose movements were aimed at undermining our stability and security of the surveillance incepted movements including communication with foreign sides on the so-called 0 hour to 3 going to measures aimed at undermining our stop illiterates. in all the headlines bulgaria could be set for a political crisis despite months of anti-government protests and surging kovac cases exit polls in sunday's parliamentary elections but the prime minister boyko boars of in 1st place but he could struggle to form a coalition and secure a 4th term in office for himself. heavy rains have triggered flash floods and landslides in indonesia's east floors in neighboring east timor at least 49 people

have been killed thousands more have been displaced dozens of homes were swept away or buried by mud and debris relief efforts also been hampered by severe weather conditions with warnings of more extreme weather on the way 22 members of india's security forces have been killed during a raid on a maoist rebel hideout in eastern chad to scar's state at least one maoist fighter was killed in a 4 hour gun battle police say they acted on intelligence of the group was hiding inside a forest and turkey has recorded its 2nd highest single day tally of new coronavirus cases since the pandemic began with almost 42000 infections and 185 deaths cases of swords is measures to curb the pandemic which eased in early march government has announced the return of weekend lockdowns for the month of ramadan starting in the middle of april that's it for myself from the team here in london studio b. unscripted is next. the climate has changed every year for millions of years

and decades of talk but little action it's all about just create confusion to paint smoke and mirrors the shocking truth about how the climate debate has been systematically subverted by the oral industry was bankroller or opposition climate or campaign against the climate do you think that's a bad thing. if you think absolutely coming soon on al-jazeera. biology and anthropology and genetics is really founded in a racist ideology my name's adam rather said i'm a geneticist author and broadcaster i will inevitably get loads of racism i'm being called a racist because i'm talking about race and i'm by saying i'm an economist one time political cab say an activist. unfortunately kind of it could just be a dress rehearsal for something much like a climate and potentially on the pandemics and things that can go wrong science is

political and always has been political and he say it's not you haven't been paying attention for the last 500 you. act. so i've been dying to ask you there in the specter of how to argue with a racist how do you argue with a racist and. yeah i sometimes worry that that title is a little bit for what the book actually sets out to do. and the point is if you structure your your arguments with with facts and with science and with history then these are tools which are very clearly and the racist in the in the nature nor a political and science isn't a moral it does inherently have a political stance because it's done by people and so you know i sometimes think that the converse. gets distracted by talking about white supremacists or active

neo nazis and you know there's plenty of them around but in fact i'm more sort of concerned with talking to people who say who effectively have racist views or say things which are effectively racist without really knowing it because it's built in race and racism is built into our society when i was writing a lot of younger people were saying to me. you know i wish i had this when i'm in the pub when i'm sitting around the dinner table the thanksgiving table and talking to my dad or my uncle or or someone who says something which is why you know we're all black people better at sprinting or you know are jewish people more intelligence and that's what i wanted to do is to say well these stereotypes correct what is the data where are you getting that information from and be at how does those those stereotypes relate to how we understand history and how we understand you know historical persecutions or historical racisms and in almost all

cases what turns out to be the case is one the data is probably not true and 2 there stereotypes that are rooted in in history and says you know that you know you've got a better argument. i'm going to disagree with you to some extent because while i find the helpful when i was campaigning and knocking on thousands of doors. actually facts don't seem to work that well when you have conversations with people . because people always seem to find another 5 told they all you know they just won't necessarily believe you what did weigh was emotions and emotional connection and then bringing in some facts i went gungho 'd you know i've been doing stats for many years as you know whether it be some of the stuff i did for b.b.c. looking into whether we'd have a prime minister and finding that you know black kids who have to work 12 times as hard than a white stay educated and 90 times as hard as

a why privately educated to become prime minister you know for the most part people didn't really take that aim what they did taking was stories of you know my great grandmother being part of the british working costs or oh yeah i went to that school too and having a connection with a teacher. and then building a foundation of connection and then trying to bring in like maybe some more scientific arguments and did you learn only jorma we had we were going towards the door yeah what was it like it was really fun i have to say i really enjoyed doing ok i mean people might find that crazy people actually do want to have political conversations and when they don't they make it really clear so. you know you can back off quite quickly the thing that i found is it's very rare that someone's racist your face i mean it did happen it was very rare and people who just want to. they speaking kind of human to human and they they want to know

a little bit about you and. they're willing to have a conversation and that really surprised me one of the things that really struck me from like twitter well divest is knocking on people's doors was how much more hopeful i was after a 2 hour session of like knocking on people's doors and talking to them rather than looking at my replies on twitter and so you know people really surprised me and people would say that they change their minds about sent things but not for a 5 unfortunately and i'm spent my whole life like yeah i mean how to put together it was often because i had a really nice conversation with you today and you know sometimes having that conversation was not for me didn't have to bring in the stops and the science it's very hard to change people's minds i was saying that it's very very hard times i felt like people would just be like say ok ok just because i wanted to get rid of me you know what he said i was really going also how quickly when you open the door and i didn't do that right i don't i don't go door to door i like to see you like

how you're i think of you with a racist and just be so depressed so quickly i mean how quickly were people judging you they look you up and down and go here is someone who looks like you i don't know anything also about you and therefore you fit into the following stereotypes that i'm going to adhere to i have to demonstrate that i belong to the area and to go beyond because people just would assume so it was like i knew from knew him which people that i know is that part of east london where there's more people that look like me and i've been i why would you assume but when did it become. this point of like i belong and you don't well again i think this is a lot to do with our sort of cultural amnesia and very selective telling of the history of empire that actually black and brown people have been present in this country well since roman times admittedly in smaller proportions but that once you understand that phrase the we are here because you were there and that empire is

the reason that we live in a multicultural society that if we teach that if we have a much richer understanding of the relationship between the various colonized places that occurred during. during the years of empire maybe there would be a better a better sense of belonging there with the stops being so i mean if you have questions your belonging i grew up in a small town in the east coast of england that was when i 1st experienced racism but you know bear in mind i look like this right so my dad is is is from yorkshire . and my my biological mother is indian via guyana right so that's my mixed race miss i did experience some racism in that in that village when i was growing up but it's not you know it's minus stuff and also your parents since $81.00 i always go on which people of color got which is what you're going to what twice it's hard to get anywhere i didn't get but i didn't get that because all of my experiences of

racism were effectively positive and maybe that is a reflection of my own privilege in and being mixed race rather than. integrated into one particular ethnicity the parent has with me and it was to import them part my dad to us about racism he in fact used to tell us if anyone calls you that he went yeah. he used to make us practice punching on him this is hilarious when i'm no violent person he said align the 3 of us up and say right punch me here as hard as you can if any one of us says it. i mean the face i was 6 years old right. this is a my mom at the same time who was the polar opposite to my to my dad and was actually from pakistan and she would say you know if they say that you tell them. the p word means clean in or do i'm sorry like one time primary school in the playground said to me that he would and i said and i thought about it so i punched

him i said i use mom's line and i decided not to punch him and say i said the p. word means clean and he was so confused. that he doesn't this is odd to me like this because he has never said anything again about he just looked so confused so he said my version of the story it's the parallels are very striking up because because when i got called the he was school when i was about 7. by a kid whose name i still remember but i went. and i did punch him. and i do you know advocate violence. but i got summoned by the headmaster. and i was terrified because i thought i was going to get into big trouble yeah and what happened was he suspended him and so the outcome for the sort of thing by being positive experiences that's really good because my thing is just to say just ignore it yeah yeah so that's why i think that my own personal experience my own personal narrative is is not necessarily very informative for my own so the development of

my ideas is not absence it sets you apart to try to understand what was going on in that situation but i can't pretend that i've been the recipient of serious racial abuse through my life more so if you i mean i think i mean yeah i mean you get trolled down if you're a public person joe so you know it's. and there's certainly been instances 3 life but for me you know it's more about the subtle ways that these things come up you know being in the room when you know your colleagues are talking about migrant labor and they say well migrant labor has become. from the caribbean and pakistan has become obsolete and they're in the room and my privacy for go and. so this is actually i experienced a lot more racism when i went to the university of oxford and. in like middle class well you know the think tank well then this is you know today the stereotype about the white working cause it was

a really negative because epithet like this race is green and my experience of growing up with a white working class of course is that racism everywhere but i got much worse racism and like when i was at the university of oxford which really scared me because i was like these people are going to be in positions of power they are going to run the wild and i know what i really think i've seen them get drunk. at city was really important to me deciding. you know do you do policy. myself to be more public and i was so i thought i know. what these people really think of all of us and what they think of what can cost people especially someone just on a big t.v. program on the b.b.c. and i was used as an example of the b.b.c. successful racial diversity and when i heard that i was like if. i'm your racial diversity then you have a real problem yeah that's pretty important that you point now because they were used yeah we'll use us at times and it's really important that we say this isn't

real change real change is when i see you know. ethnic minorities in this country and groups all around the world you know being given real opportunities not on not disproportionately on no wait is not disproportionately dying from whatever virus so illness is coming up you know having equal access to public services that's the real change so i want to see it's not just the odds that a black faces in high places right mike yeah yeah i'm not no no exactly and you know we see we see a good representation of black and brown faces on t.v. but we don't see it behind the camera and we see amazing representation of black faces in you know football for example but we don't see any of it in the managerial struggle no noticeable i really needed to have power he gets to write the script he gets to coach the team he gets to be the dodds right so yeah bad type of representation real representation of bell power you know this is the only thing

yeah and not even the conversation about racism still today is too superficial for me and i want to go much deeper think much more about institutional change ok sure we have audience questions and. i know you from canada. as you said racism is politically advantageous in a world supremacist world wins elections is one of the engines that keeps capitalism running justify subjugation of racialized people to go into labor and poverty so why are we still trying to argue recently about the scientific basis of richard's humanity when it would serve them to recognise. hmm well that's a great question but i think that the answer from my point of view is and part of the motivation for writing this book is that there are i found that the science in this book is not new and not controversial so the idea of the biological essential as i'm in the a biological basis for race has been ottilie taken down by science by genetics

that is a non-controversial thing to say within the lab within academia but what i found as a science communicator and in talking to publics is that that that information hasn't filtered down into into public consciousness and that's on me right you know that's my job is to do that. and then secondly on top of that it's that in the last few years with the rise of. populism and nationalism and changing political discourse but also the way the public has embrace particular genetic ancestry testing kits products i think has actually changed the conversation about race and reintroduced biological essential as in my ideas into the public discourse in a way that i don't think any of us within genetics anticipated so i think part of my job is actually just again disabusing people of those of those ideas in

a way that i didn't think we'd have to do if we were having this conversation 10 years ago yeah i do i want to acknowledge it's how hard it is to do this way especially if you're a person of color and to have these conversations with racists is exhausting and there's just tiresome need to think what's the point of having this conversation that it's not going to they're not going to see air but i think more generally what we have to do. is counter to the way in which. racism is being used to support certain governments and certain ideologies that right wing are quite mainstream ideologies and we've got to keep having that conversation and one of the areas that i find i get most hope is when i have this conversation with the younger generation who are not everyone but for the most part seems much more off talking about this we need to all do the work and have the conversations and it doesn't to start with government starts with the in

your own household and within your own family and at your school and you know we need people to do the what isn't just people of color let's have another question so you just face a little bit on how cool the defects in equality how do you think it could have been different was coded if you listen for the poor and say should we have towards the virus thank you really has exposed the levels of inequality in societies whether it be about gender based inequalities whether it be about race whether it be about income and who's losing their job who is most likely to die and it's really put society under an x. ray and demonstrate how much inequality matches and that is a lesson for us going forward because unfortunately cove it could just be a dress rehearsal for something much worse and you look at climate and potentially other pandemics and things that can go wrong and i think. ok he says societies that kennecott. are import that can stick together that follow instructions that's going

to be really important for any kind of crisis coming up yeah from my perspective exposed to how we think about science and society as well in the relationship between science and policy. and so you know the fact that it was racialized into discreet ways early on one was the provenance of the disease so there was you know racialized attacks right here in london a kid from my own university with from singapore was beaten on oxford street in america that there are so many attacks against chinese americans and korean americans has a son with a pedia page you know numbers in the many thousands already so that was that was one aspect and then how. minority groups are more likely to be infected or more likely to die and these are best explained by socio economic factors rather than rather than sort of you know genetics or molecular biology you can't deal with with a pandemic without having science and you can't make vaccines without science that

you know that that is our job in this process but if you don't deal with the underlying problems. and in fact the underlying causes of this pandemic which is man's humankind interaction with nature itself the fact that we are encroaching upon territories because of climate change and causing climate change which means that we are interacting in nature where these viruses coronaviruses live humankind is not exonerated from this conversation it's not a natural phenomenon that this that this occurred in this pandemic occurred it's because of our integrated relationship and changing relationship with the environment i think we're going to take another question. high. family growth up his education an anti-racism education system i think how large is still not widely taught in schools and university or when it is taught it's quite

explosive to slavery. or history rather than intersectional subject across all your subjects so in your respective fields say economics and science what do you think lisa take place in order for us to be learning about racism and understanding and to racism in the education system so i think we're interesting nexus right now because the concept of anti racism has been weaponized against and to racists which is you know fundamentally problematic you know our government are focusing very much on this question of whether the introduction of of discussions about anti racism you know are serving education i teach at u.c.l. just over there and we have race and genetics and race and eugenics integrated into our buyout biology courses and that's been like that for 40 years i think that might be a slightly unusual history because

a lot of race science and eugenics actually occurred at u.c.l. and what i've discovered in the last couple of years since doing this book is that that conversation doesn't even spill outside of the biology department at u.c.l. let alone into the broader society i think that overall. my sense is that to normalize these conversations is part of the social change it requires a political movement and it requires you know revolutionary voices and conservative voices but ultimately you know i do think the arc of history is towards progress i think that is true i think we're in a weird blip at the moment i don't we i mean do you do you do you agree or disagree with that i hope is that by i also worry that we are you know regress same i think we are a very worrying time if we're not going to. learn the lessons from coded and we're not able to say ok yes we truly are going to build back better we're going to make

sure we do do a green you'd say oh and we do have higher wages and you know invest more in our health care systems and the rest of it. then we would have missed this this major moment in which we could have had the acceleration of change positive change like there was off to the 2nd world war and just just to answer your question as well and just what the economics discipline condemning is all kinds of problems with the way in which economics is tool but one thing i would say to those studying economics right now is to oss. distributional questions i asked him will this policy or will this particular way of looking at markets he will be affected he will win and he will lose and ask why and when you are says questions and you follow that through why you always come back to issues of prejudice and it's really important for us to push back on subjects like you know your hair i'm hearing from you on science and genetics and you know economics which also kind of thinks of

itself as a science sometimes even though it's a social science i think it's fairly obvious to the audience we both like. in the nest. and you know asking people to. be challenged well deliberately challenge and i didn't get into this to talk about race i go into this because i really like evolution and d.n.a. and genes but the point but there comes a point where you know if you're a scientist talking about humans then you can't not talk about this and i think that you know that's my message to to my my scientific. colleagues and friends is that it's not enough to sit back and say you know what we did the research and it's up to people and publics and governments to talk about the policy implications necessary or otherwise for my work we are part of society and i think it's the same for economists as well that that we need a much better more integrated approach to understanding. history

and how our history informs our present science is political and always has been political and if you say it's not you haven't been paying attention for the last 500 years yeah the missing really gets to speak to you and even though. i know. his history and science of racism and the way in which science is often used by racists i think it's one of the things i really take from this conversation is really but if us as individuals trying to do our work and finding in all disciplines in economics and in science there's this massive blind spot when it comes to race and racism and prejudice and the way in which it's playing out in all industries all sexes i think that some think that everyone can look at their own spare of work and understand that racism and prejudice is always bad we all have it

within our us but we socialized to be racist all the time we have to take that action to fight and it's better for at the individual level and within all disciplines if we're willing to be have that conversation and be brave then we will be somewhere else in 5 years or in 10 years. that is the work that needs to be it's on so even though it's difficult or i do find it difficult. it's a positive sign alternately because you know it wouldn't be worth changing if it wasn't hard like that absolutely and it is called the struggle for that for a reason so so keep going yes keep going i'm going to do the things we can't like so hard or anything going to do that. i couldn't accept the reality that my actually going to go on a rubber boat across the aegean with 60 people to seek. saddam in europe when i was

a teenager listening to him and him i never expected that this would have been it's very very important for me that you acknowledge the honor that is due to my food i don't care the color of your skin i don't care that the city please cook my food but at least respect my roots to come here navigating be all crissy racism language barriers to bows and statements and then rebuild your life is by itself a success. in this right wing government on the catholic church are the very best of friends the curve supports the government the government supports the church their critics claim they both draw power from demonizing others they find an enemy and then they try to scare other people with that and it's not ideology hatred but have recent

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