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whoever wins must 1st tackle unemployment work liberates then security and low prices for food. we don't want loaders anymore we need better security for citizens so voters also say they want to see an inclusive political system after restrictive laws introduced before the 21000 parliamentary election shrunk the political stories it's hard to see how that can be achieved before sunday's presidential election but your trees. so far european and u.k. medicines regulators have concluded there is a plausible link between the oxford astra zeneca qubit 19 bank scene and rare blood clots but they insist the risk of the corona virus is far greater than the risk of death from clausing the number of virus deaths in brazil has dipped slightly from a record high of 4200 on tuesday another 3800 deaths were reported on whedon's day
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with around 1002000 new infections as he has and throughout the pandemic the president. continues to play with 19 and experts in the use of force is testified at the trial of the former police officer who is accused of killing george floyd jodie steiger said derrick shogun used inappropriate deadly force when kneeling on floyd's neck for more than 90 minutes. you have an opinion to a degree reasonable professional certainty the how much force was reasonable for the defendant to use on mr floyd after mr floyd was handcuffed placed in a prone position and not resisting. yes. my opinion was that no 4 should have been used once. he was in that position. the u.s. has agreed to withdraw all remaining combat forces which were deployed to fight against eisel but talks with the iraqi government didn't settle on
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a timeline some soldiers and coalition forces will also stay to train and advise the iraqi army the u.s. is resuming palestinian aid to the tune of $235000000.00 angering israel american funding was stopped by the former president donald trump the plan includes 150000000 dollars to the u.n. agency for palestinian refugees known as an ra the package is part of an effort to repair u.s. ties with the palestinians that all but collapsed during the tenure of the former president will trump. at least 12 more pro-democracy protesters have been killed by the military in me in mar according to a local monitoring group it says the worst violence was in kale with security forces fired grenades and machine guns the military is said to be targeting more rural areas such as this town north of mandalay almost 600 people have been killed in violence following the coup on february 1st up next is the bottom line more news after that after that.
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hi i'm steve clemons and i have a question what does the united states look like these days if you're on the outside looking in let's get to the bottom line. if you ever wondered how your country would look from a totally different perspective well that's what we're doing today with the united states gun violence inequality and race far right populism america's retreat from the world forever wars everything is on the table with our special guest today he is gerardo road who served as a french diplomat for more than 3 decades he served as france's ambassador to the united states the united nations and israel and he was the french negotiator on the iranian nuclear issue and baxter wrote welcome to the show thanks so much for
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joining us let me just start you took this tweet down but there was a tweet that you issued once that i found very compelling i said after bricks that after trump a world is collapsing and your response to that was the content was right maybe the framing was wrong but i look at that and say you know that that was a world collapsing my question now is is that world coming back. you know actually i think i was right on the substance but i was certainly not right as a diplomat to say that it was not criticizing do not try to be too was simply that he lived you knew under the age of nov 26th seeded that all of the westone were do you k.n. did you a s. and i was thinking of my own country was face he grew a war crisis a bill you know 5540 percent of our citizens against the system they consider going to sustain these repeated and there are $82.00 to table and i don't think it does
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it does change in any way well part of the framing of donald trump he came in structurally was what he defined as america 1st when you look at joe biden and his administration has come in and now they've taken the helm of foreign policy and economic policy i guess the question is it it's america what in your in your sense . well actually any country any movement is america for us all friends service you know friend go to see these defending the interest of your own country the problem was that when trump was sitting america 1st actually he meant america to them basically says don't matter we are simply defending our own into waste we don't taking care what john kerry and i sparred nerds about the story and saw so little we've joined i don't want we are expecting is it would
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be america 1st but it would be i never got plowed off a community to be a 1st in a community of democratic nations ringback and the all they're not judging organizations but also to us as a stakeholder off of the human kind if i may say. you and i had a conversation with a group of people once we were talking about american power or chinese power or european power in the world and and it came up that power is often like the value of a stock in a stock market it's the value of future expectations and if you looked at the power of america and what people thought about its future it wasn't it didn't feel as robust as say china where you look at you know china's future returns what china is becoming how it's growing what it's going to be china was getting a premium on its power today how would you advise a government like the by the administration to turn that around. no 1st 1st i do
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think it's very important on one side not john don't underestimate american power i really did i didn't burst in italy i do believe that the us keep we'll be main to the 1st power in the world photo coming to gates you know there are so many assets in this country so when you've got so much creativity you know from the universities to the business community. and the 2nd advice would be not overestimate china you know where i do believe that right now people are all making in china a sort of a monster you know we shouldn't good meat and mistakes which we don't face any problem actually china has its own problems 1st a demographic disaster you know china is moving east going forward to move demographic transition in 20 years that we went forward one century there are social problems hundreds of chinese are still living you know not just
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poverty you have to adapt off their. distaste to go to state companies and so on and so all so look china is not a good thing to donate to or china is a country which is a powerful powerful country. we really do us we remain domain by the end of coming decades so if you look at what america would use that power for if you look at things like hong kong and china guiding you know the trappings of hong kong to democracy you look at the treatment of wiggers which the united states has called a genocidal policies against the wiggers and sin john and you look at these various aspects and we've just seen the secretary of state tony blinken meet with the chinese have it at the same time those foreign policy and human rights concerns are going on china is an enormous trading partner of the united states and or enormously. involved with you know global health climate change i just is because
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you've always been an interest driven commentator in foreign policy how is that what is how do you get the equilibrium right between hard core interests and then values you care about whether they're human rights whether they are you know how we work together on climate change how do you get that equilibrium right. well it 1st i think that. biden administration we have to deal with it a stable at auditions it with china it will be much more complicated and it was really the year u.s.s.r. because there will be a bump up game forming in asia somewhere because 1st you have the intensity of the economy correlation between the u.s. and china and there will be a a decrypting between the 2 economies discipline board deals that most of the asian countries don't want to be obliged to have to choose between us and that and the
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3rd element also is that china is not an ideological nader's girlfriend to austerfield world there is no chinese communist party in your op there is no i don't watch it or challenge so it will be a complicated a complicated balance to find there will be containment there will be. those all sorts of engagement i sell to human rights it will be a problem it would be a problem and to us we have to find. out not to go too far why not why being faithful to each tweeted today about used you know i'm going to sound to beat friendship it's a new cold but i don't think that. i don't i miss racially we are not a human rights issue to undermine the nation she has financial media economy can be stretches you can be important to our nation should we china date the average inst
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know what they're doing miscreation knows that china is not going to change its policy human rights policy it's not going to become a restaurant democracy in the in the coming decades so in that it will do us we'd have to have a nation ship within the domain. in a new toyota in china. would you would you frame that in a civil way can you know what i'm listening to you have a sort of thinking of a relationship with saudi arabia and the jamal khashoggi issues which were a big campaign issue for joe biden he said he wouldn't deal with the crown prince mohammed bin solman who's now dealing with it but saudi u.s. relations are largely on track they've gotten by that is that a similar case in your mind oh you're going to even goo beyond because china is i see it when she died some 100 times more important to us done done something done so with the arabia you know we really and you have
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a democratic administration and you're going to use question doing to small's all the 1st year usually it's very keen on defending you're going to rice and after a while you know will you remember but you know after a year. come to an end after all why do you know what you have discretion is alleged or still to take into account do could do a reality. of the world ambassador one of the issues you dealt with both at home in france but also when you were ambassador at the united nations in the united states was our allied efforts on terrorism many people think terrorism sort of hijacked and distracted the foreign policy establishment from a lot of other threats how would you frame those years that maybe are continuing in which terrorism both domestically inside france against the united states and against other of our allies you know was such a prominent feature of our foreign policy and national security policy. well i
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should say it's a question of course what they are good for us of what a strange foreign policy as you may know we have to keep going to we are deploying soldiers of several 100000 soldiers not freak out to find a sick loops but at the end of the day at ikea you in afghanistan the question made you raised also a father and she voted once enough we got since we have been in my league now for nearly 8 years is it possible to we knew war against terrorism will be. dissuaded it is there a military solution in a fight in our fight against against there are ism or we may be doomed to spend kates fighting killing people and seeing other people being taking place certainly i think what we could have we think by going to restriction the i need something that i do hope we'll be doing. promise. really i don't
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say negotiation we've we've established but simply going back to do the hoots of their whole reason and work here we're not going governments you know that local governments actually do distrust victims of terrorism. and we were up with these governments instead of sending out word or worse i whistled years ago and i think we got a drone or less and if i were opens 'd simply it doesn't work you know it's big we have brzezinski you know former national security adviser to president carter was around but a very prominent national security commentator he would critique america's forever war in afghanistan or maybe what the french were doing in africa today as like relics of a neo colonial past that we have delusions of imperial grandeur that we're continuing
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to deploy force you know indefinitely driven more by inertia than strategic need how would you respond to brzezinski if he were sitting across from you. actually you know she came because. of course because he was quite an impressive and the least and in a says i share his point of view i am not sure that you just go to your and go over . i think it was it does been a mistake to think that we can sort of we've got worse orders a lot of problems i think as being a nexus you need every station of the foreign policy 1st will do us a little of course but also in a sense we friends you know to say you have a bigger hammer every problem she looks like a nail and i do think that it's something which could be really. which would be said of american foreign policy and i want i or us to i'd also have different
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foreign policy we need diplomats and maybe we dutch we need less soldiers let me switch tracks gerard for a moment you know since you've left washington as ambassador you've become a very sought after commentator you appear on t.v. networks people follow your tweets and they come with the kind of. insight and and raw honesty about america that i think we're not used to whether it's about race after the george foid murders when it's about inequality in this country and i just love to get a sense is you look at this nation from an offshore perspective and you look at these domestic issues of identity and tension and the divides in the nation now made so much worse during this pandemic i be interested in you know sort of your notions of of will of what's wobbly and what strong. first i
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i live in the u.s. i decided to live in the u.s. so it means that i love this country and and for me what again i think i said it in in the beginning of our of our interview to fact use that i'm struck out of the armor of young americans or the united states are facing the same problems in very comparable terms to you or to the open countries and especially to friends and muscle to you shoes of course who have national circumstances which are quite different the fact that the u.s. is a country of immigrants much more gun than friends but again you have to have 1000000000 of some of our citizens against the systems and you have also communities which are i think i krystle wish are really asking for the end off or any discrimination and that's that's the common fighting in western democracies
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and my dream and frankly my dream would be that the worst on democracy is in a sense work together really at meet that they have common failures and and try to to sort this issue or to fight face decisions one common enemy and they see it everywhere also in terms soft or a.c.p. if i may say is i really do believe that we are looking at the and then of a cycle which means the end of the near already been already you know this and where you had on the 'd number a guy you had to reagan couldn't do it and obama understands and you hope you out you have thatcher or blair you know he said you know that tax us up bad the stage is bad the market is a growed i do fear and not free trade is is always positive. our citizens not been getting us everywhere. in the streets of their east like in
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in india us enough is enough we have in a sense to change our ways and what is striking for me is to see don't bite and stray should only told by the little you know these shifting into these great shit and that's in a sense it's quite it's quite exciting and as usual do us all the 1st one to show the way. you did tweet i found it cute that you know what's wrong with socialism when you're trying to say is that is that your comment on you know broad redistributive policies our health care policies you know this debate about socialism in america it where you're just saying hey that's what's worked for france well you know every country has its irrational no respects and into us to do world socialism you know it's paltalk least you know i should know if
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years of the society it depends what you are putting behind the world. again i love the u.s. and what i'm going to say is part of my love of for instance as a minority and i end up not as a frenchman very simply would i try count understand is that that you don't have. a socialized and scare system you know your and scare to be frank you know i have been if you do it for him. education of nurses and doctors in america and their talents it was awful to cost. your country complexity. and saw so that's an example or european countries like a specialized f. care system it cost an ass much for the s. actually you are spending 70 percent of your g.d.p. you know the house we are spending 11 percent that's a good example where actually socialism quote unquote you know quote unquote
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because even do you care which is not will your social this country has a socialist socialized and care system so that would be a good example where socially whatever you call it it's not got bad. one of the other areas i could turn to is iran you dealt with iran so closely and i think you know again going back to henry kissinger's to brant scowcroft to this big me of brzezinski's they would often talk about states having defining challenges you know there are a lot of challenges out there but sometimes certain challenges are very large and defining for that era i sort of feel like china is one iran may be another i'd love to get your insights into that because right now we've gone through a whiplash where the obama administration to go negotiated along with the french along with the british along the p 5 plus one the way the joint plan on on iran's nuclear program donald trump took the united states out of that now are questions
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are going back and what are your insights not only as an observer of the u.s. side of that but if iran game in this. to me and to me to be frank i'm quite worried i thought well you know again i didn't do a deal with iran was 'd a compromise and it was for boys only to handle the nuclear issue i feel i think that one of the mistakes of the a woman in the obama 'd administration 2015 was not immediately after the steel 2 to which we asked the other issue of course you want your issues of concern raised by the iranian behavior to whoreson the scientists. but is to get a q.b. and also to. activities so try to went out of your agreement and now the question yes i want to go back to it and it's not he because a new orleans that the iranians feel aggrieved the iranians and rightly so in
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a way do you know entering a presidential a presidential campaign and on the american side it's not possible or ringback simply to go back to the to the agreement goes do us county can or. willy do where is the concerns expressed by degrees for nucky sent by israel they come to also ignore the other issues or concerns that was before into so it's a very complicated equation and i really am not sure that actually both sides will succeed to to go back to a negotiation to the negotiation table you know for for a lot of iranians now they may be able to say why are we going to make concessions to the u.s. if in 2024 trump is back and and really intrigued us new sanctions so it's it's it's one of distributer very very difficult issues where
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do you promise the ease the scheme and you may know that actually you would be a sock trying to be the. between between care on and washington. we are going to be frank we are too messy often incident there are articles on both sides and especially on union sides. to try to do a deal any idea off off a new deal because in your honor of course the us is the symbol in a sense of of the evolution of against them is the symbol of of the evolution. you know one of the questions i have about france germany a lot of our allies in the world is that they saw america sort of you know kick them in the teeth and the last few years and hug a lot of complicated people like dare to in the philippines kim jong un in north
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korea what is the state of the relationship out you know out there we've seen president mccrone talk about the need for a european defense capacity that is that is driven by europeans and not the americans i'm interested in whether or not that those sets of relationships are now entering a new phase or whether you think they can snap back into the kind of a close coordination and you know the mutual trust that used to be you know unfortunately i think. most of europe incited you know you're basically. simply as you said to snap back. because for your for your peers in a sense american leadership is quite comfortable. if you were to swear a photo we might call your new french president say. your oldest but if you go to them what does it mean in concrete terms so you o.p.'s so he still european countries will be like bowden or states it would mean that there really would be
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worried about reducing young american beauty tory government and you can understand see it from this country with their try she story and we are should be a year that they can be i could be worried that they'd be sure to have the military government differential go arounds. a small countries like germany. we shall spend between one percent or 1.4 percent of. your parents i just would meet money spending more money on defense so so i think that by giving a nice ratio i think. you're too friendly friendly and he wants you hope i think if you're going to serve to bowl 'd. for your parents to. french you know oh i guess you sure you are you ok let's go back to business as usual well road former ambassador of france united states we really appreciate your
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candor and fascinating perspectives on today's america thank you so much for joining us and just to. so what's the bottom line it's always fascinating to hear how the rest of the world looks at the united states the 4 years of the trumpet ministrations america 1st policies really did turn the world upside down today nations have serious doubts about american leadership many people around the world would like to go back to the good old days but what's done can't be undone china in iran will be skeptical about working with washington on long term stuff knowing that the next president could shred everything up again my guess was right it would be great if the united states and its allies could become cold eyed about their interest in priorities and set aside their delusions and distractions and help build a more stable world pullets faces delusions and distractions almost always be a reality and that's the bottom line.
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