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it's crazy for you to even contemplate every single day there are 100 gun deaths 150 ghani injuries and a mass shooting of 4 or more people with military style assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines greater than 10 rounds since january 1 of this year there have been 126 mass shootings 150 people dead 500 people injured and just in the last 2 weeks there's been another 60 reza thank you very much indeed i'm sorry to interrupt but we're running at a time thank you very much there. might of the top stories here on jazeera u.s. president joe biden has announced a series of measures to tackle gun violence calling the situation an epidemic and
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an international embarrassment biden says he'll rein in the self-assembly weapons known as ghost guns which have kits and without serial numbers he's also moving to a strict on braces the 2 used to effectively 10 some pistols in 2 rifles and has called on congress to help in posse even tougher measures whether congress acts or not i'm going to use all the resources in my disposal present to keep the american people safe from gun violence but there's much more of the congress can do to help that effort and they can do it right now. they've offered plenty of thoughts and prayers members of congress. but there perhaps not a single new federal law to reduce gun violence. in of prayers. time for some action. a critical care doctor says george freud died from a lack of oxygen after he was handcuffed and pinned to the ground fallen or just martin tobin was testifying at the trial of derek show been
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a former police officer accused of killing floyd last year. tobin says floyd couldn't take in enough oxygen while being held down by show even and 2 other police officers prosecutors want to prove that it was shavings actions that killed floyd well the defense says drugs and bad health are to blame. the u.k. has accused man maher of bullying its own ambassador after the envoy was locked out of the country's embassy in london. men has been removed from his post after criticizing february's coup and calling for the country's democratically elected leader unsung suchi to be released security forces have crackdown on protesters and ethnic groups in myanmar reportedly killing more than 600 people. those are the headlines to stay with us and i was there the stream is up next hour back after that with more news thanks so much for watching by for now.
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either yeah ok welcome to the stream home edition today we're going to be talking about t.v. fakes and the company if the current lips in focus groups i know the person who can say that absolutely perfectly her name is needed she is the author of this book now welcome to the street really good to see. great we are going to use you as a result really have you to we have commenters we have people on line who are get the chat so if you are in the comment section you want to talk to meaning you absolutely turn to you know what's the jump into the comment section but you're
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coming in there which i get as many as possible into the show you know we have so many questions for you people have read the book people curious about the ideas i'm going to say a sentence i want you to finish the sentence this book is about the corroding in summation he said. the short answer he thinks. there are 3 things i want to ask you just to get out of the way before i open it up to our audience around the world one is the perfect perfect description of misinformation go ahead. it's basically bad information better spread even without necessarily an intent to deceive you or description for what disinformation is disinter mation is another type of data and information but this is made with the express intent of deceiving. it is so
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clips that snots little were blatantly late so a lot of the work they're doing he explained. the info collapse. so you know if it is it's kind of a word play on information apocalypse and i use it to describe this information ecosystem which we exist in which is increasingly defined by misunderstood from ation you look is incredible credibly present a very very relevant for right now some to read your book and then he wanted to ask you a question about it in a very creative way he is having listening or after reading your book i started playing with all these new technologies and soon i was able to create a clip of your voice to take a few photos of you from social media and retreat you doing insane things that you never did that made me wonder what will have room to our shared sense of reality is
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everybody going to its own version of reality and even if you look now to be prudish. conspiracy theories are we all really part of the board or no reader. now that you've absolutely fantastic i know founder we've worked together and he's basically portrayed so vividly there by actually face warping into what was my former living room and manipulating my words why are just so dangerous because they are the latest evolving threat in this crisis of information that we're facing but they're the most sophisticated form of manipulation we've ever seen because anybody's words their image can be used manipulated and hijacked by any actor who basically because ai is an also made fake media doesn't even need any resources or expertise to manipulate media so we're
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about to face an avalanche of generated fake media in an information ecosystem which is already replete with bad information so this is just the next step in in a row a ready corroding information ecosystem where the notion of reality is already being undermined and i want to give people an idea of how easy it is for ai to create people create faces as a web site cookies person does not exists view what you like now you're going to have a look at it this is the say says that i'm going to start with and then i'm going to refresh my browser and then you'll see the face who changed and what you're looking at these people don't actually exist this is not a real person nina what's happening here. well essentially the power of ai to generate fake media and this can be anything it can be an image it
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can be a video it can be a piece of audio it could even be synthetic a text is nascent it's been around iraq 3 and a half years and what you're seeing there on that website is basically a model that's been trained on data of hundreds or hundreds of thousands of human faces so that it's learned what a human face of and can automatically generate nonexistent human faces and this is why depictions of benteke media are just so fascinating because they are the very start of a process whereby artificial intelligence will be wholly able to generate fake media you see it there in those people but as this technology gets better it's going to expand into video audio text it's not only going to be human faces it's anything you can imagine really that the fascination is deadly being picked up by our audience have a look here at this tweet we were telling people about you coming up and you being on the stream today so talking about deep fakes and then underneath that john byrne
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says how do we know that it is really you and we have another comment say well could it be really you maybe it is mostly it's not so does some tongue in cheek fun about that but there is a serious underlying point which is how do we tell if it's a real person and not a real person. well that is exactly one of the dangers of the coming age of synthetic media because one of the manifestations of synthetic media is going to be in these digital avatars and include creasing the increased completely synthetic humans which also will be used for misunderstand from ation but even before we get there the weird paradox is that eyes people become aware of fakes which is necessary to inoculate the public against their risks it also means that everybody starts denying or and the credibility of authentic media starts being undermined as
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well so you're really in this place where if you're a bad actor you can also dismissed any kind of authentic media as being a defect or faked so you get into the place where you simply don't know what's real are not anymore even before synthetic media is ubiquitous this thing called the liar's dividend is already giving bad actors a lot of currency and just want to bring in you shoot here because people are watching right now and they're wondering about the age that we're in so tailless as hightail offensive being part of the show i saw previous shows learned young that just because you see something on a blog social media or website that doesn't mean that it is true how can we fix if we teach this to the tech in the church the inner. well that is really one of the biggest challenges because i think the 1st step is just the conceptualization of the vast scale of the problem the challenge here it's an entire paradigm change in
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the way that we understand information consume and process information so when you talk about digital literacy that is one part of the puzzle when it comes to building solutions and it's a very important one but i think there has to be a recognition that descale the problem is so vast that it's not only about digital literacy but it's also about enforcing technical solutions and building society wide resilience to which digital literacy is $1.00 part of the solution. you look at in this conversation i'm sure it isn't and you may not see the dangers quite yet in ai synthetic tension ology i want to share with you a quote from nina's book deep sleep porn is an undeniably gendered phenomenon after hundreds of videos i scrolled through in the new deal say porn sites but it was the single one of the male celebrity you know brad pitt george clooney dead now he'll
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we're getting into that dark side of dean face tell us more. well the 1st manifestation. of surprise surprise when it started leeching out of the research community this amazing ability of ai to generate fake media the 1st application the world in nonconsensual porn in so many ways pornography is pioneering just as it was at the very beginning of the age of the internet and enormous user calling himself fakes basically use some of these open source tools out of the research community to start making its own ai generated nonconsensual porn films where he took real point arms and managed to get ai to generate the faces of female celebrities into the film so these were female celebrities being targeted he showed other users how he had made them and from there and he was posting them on reddit it went wild because a fury. was banned on reddit but the genie was truly out of the bottle and
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since then which was less than 3 years ago there is an entire fake porn ecosystem online every celebrity you can imagine is targeted but it's not only celebrities it is also increasingly normal women but again it is a gendered phenomenon it is almost universally targeted against women and there's been some very alarming reports recently of deep acorn also being targeted against minors so this very malicious use case of ai shows how your biometrics can be hijacked to put you in a situation which you never inhabited. i want to bring in dr giorgio who talks about an investigation that he and his colleagues did looking into. i don't want to support the story but it's to do with deep fake news and porn and have
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a listen to what he found out this is something to happen in just the past couple of weeks. once we uncover an investigation that more than 100000 people were abducted by the fake bots posted a message in person down able to feature naked pictures of people starting from a single photo taken from their social media account now we very body able to place our face in page imagery showing us and compromising our intimacy to we are a person on there to see your friends blackmail extortion and public shaming online . this was an incredible for support that george's company 70. is actually a detection company released just last week or last month which basically unveiled their own telegram the messaging app this technology had been wrapped up in an interface where users could simply send an image of any woman or miner fully
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clothed which they taken perhaps from our social media and then this bot which telegram was hosting would use the ai to generate an image of that woman or indeed child nude now there were over 100000 images being shared publicly and when censor to recently asked telegram to take down the bot they didn't even answer and it was only when this report was released and it got a lot of public attention that telegram for least that part but the most important thing to remember here is that technology is becoming increasingly accessible and anybody can be targeted right we're talking here about one image taken from a woman or a child social media and while this manifestation was a nonconsensual fake porn it can be used in a whole host of other settings it could be used as fraud it could be used as blackmail so we're only really starting to see the tip of the iceberg of what's to come. we could do the whole show on say porn the new
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what's happening to women online women includes online when i am going to move on because maps stafford to one another. that you were talking about are newly really looking to geopolitics and what's happening with a $96.00 a this is this is a sweet spot and we hand over to matt. arthritic one of the things i find most alarming in the book is an hour of potential military applications of the fakes an idea that they could be used to create a kind of a world war and without in mind given that it is much cheaper to set up and maintain and operate a troll filemon is to do the same with a tank battalion what do you think the future is of military spending over the next 10 years or so how will we see a shift towards information warfare as opposed to traditional warfare i think that's a brilliant question and i think although i can't comment on that spending figures
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the top line is that in the 21st century increasingly warfare is going to be forward in this information ecosystem information warfare is increasingly going to define warfare and it's very difficult because unlike physical warfare where you can see the tanks at the border or the little green men invading you can't see intimation warfare it's not tangible therefore it becomes very very effective and the other thing about information warfare and the democratization of the weapons of information warfare is that it is no longer a thing that only state actors can wage well organized groups can wage information warfare even an individual can wage information warfare even against the states i think. when you look at warfare in the 21st century it is increasingly going to be fought in this information space by more actors and it's community creasing league
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difficult for citizens or groups to realize that they're actually under attack and you can even look at the debate in the united states right now to understand how aspect of information warfare is especially when it comes to foreign interference and just information. what's making even more difficult and you point this out is that more now we're not sure what's real and what's not real so we salute looks at the real now we're going to think that potentially it's not real and so i want to bring in a story from you share it which was when the leader of goodwill went missing went on a trip to saudi arabia and he just went missing and so do this whole period of people not knowing where he was this video was released and i'm going to put you picture in picture nina so you can explain why people thought this might be a deep let's roll the video and you can comment on it. and he'll tell us why does this look like it. so this is the perfect example of something known as
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a liar as dividends in a world where anything can be faked and everything can also be denied and back and used by bad actors and now. the president of the bonn have basically gone on a trip and foreign media reported that he had been ill and it probably transpired that he had had a stroke and he basically didn't appear in public for many many months and his critics were saying that the president was actually dead he was incapacitated and in order to quell those rumors the president of the barn and his allies released this video but he looked very strange his face didn't look more mall his eyes looked wide it didn't quite look like him so his opponents basically said that this was a deep faith and evidence that the president was dead and 2 days later excuse me there was the start of a military coup. it failed but it just showed how powerful this video which was actually on when tick and he probably looks odd because he had
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had a stone stroke i may have probably had botox in the bad effects of this drug it shows how effective it can be to say authentic video is fake when there's not. a little bit of a cost right then you know it's hard when you're the only guest on this show and you've got to keep talking so i'm going to go for a moment to tyler jeremiah and tyler journey and stand about what is possible yet what we've been doing for a big chunk of the show with nina is working out why the stakes when they used in a sinister way are problematic time that is a student he knows a lot about ai and even he has to christ alison. you know as someone who's pretty much grown up on social media i feel like before i have a pretty good understanding of how information gets manipulated by mad was or someone i didn't know and coming at this as a political science student my main concern is how does ai technology and is the
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fix impact our politics so my main question is given that so biden just won the presidency here in the u.s. what advice would you give his administration in dealing with this technology going forward. i think that every politician who believes in the liberal democracy and a shared reality to govern society and doesn't want to have neverending information warfare should make an absolute point of priority the problems of the information ecosystem and focus on fixing the architecture in which this information ecosystem is molded so what are the technical solutions we can embed right into the architecture of the information ecosystem so that as consumers and citizens we basically get to separate some of the noise from the truth from the noise so proud
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sometimes new recruits for example. for example you are increasingly able to think about the provenance of all media so if for example you're a journalist you are a human rights activist and you have you want to show that the media that you're portraying is true and that hasn't been tampered with and that you're not someone trying to benefit from the live dividend you can build technology right into the hardware of your device whether that's your own or your camera to prove that throughout the life of that media that media has not been tampered with so that's the prominent side of the solution on the other hand you also have to think about building ai software to detect fakes because as deep fakes become ubiquitous they're not only going to be in and dangerous but their quality is going to be so good that to the naked human eye we simply won't be able to tell whether it's real or fake so you basically build ai detection to also comply automatically whether or
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not it's safe but that is always going to be a cat and mouse game because as soon as you are detector improves the generating ability of ai to beat that detector will also improve. this to some earlier this year connected with code where there's been a lot of misinformation and disinformation surrounding it and that relates to a belgian and build you have a deep faith situation but it came via extension rebellion and what exceeds your 1000000000 did was they made their premier do a speech make an announcement that was all about connecting climate and climate crisis to. the current covert crisis i'm just going to lead a close up view of the premier this is the defect if you look really closely you can actually see looks like the join here and mean how would you put this into a category of
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a deep state being misleading or is it in the category of fates can be helpful and useful if you're in the middle of a climate crisis it's not a gray area. and so i would absolutely say that a misleading because extinction rebellion the controversial ecological activist group basically manipulated a speech made by sophie of almost the prime minister of belgium in which she was made to say that cope with 19 was directly linked like other pandemics evola sars to ecological destruction now she had never actually said that if you watch the video it's not completely high fidelity femi already pointed out you can kind of see that her face doesn't look quite right but that is not indifferent terror sometimes the quality of the media whether or not people are thawed and indeed some people when they saw that video circulating by extinction rebellion we thought that serbs yvel most have made those comments so it is
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a mis representation an actual fabrication of a speech that a politician does not make and given that it wasn't labeled very clearly i would say that's absolutely a misuse of the technology. so many questions linger about how do you know what should we do in the what should we do cut a great i want to bring in the program director of the salmon gregory because sam is putting the onus not on ask the public trying to deduce is is a deep thinker is this not a deep sake he's putting the onus on the creator is serious. we can't expect the average person to be able to spot a dietrich it's already hard and it's going to get harder so there's a responsibility on the people who make the tools to create the products to make it as easy as possible for a machine to spot the manipulation and on platforms and video sharing sites to detect those manipulations and tell their users they've seen it and then we can
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make decisions if something is malicious and to be careful or whether it's funny until after. so it's a brilliant insight by sam gregory who i know while his organization does incredible work not only with regards to thinking about the folks at this information and misinformation in general and he's absolutely right this goes back to the point i was making earlier about we need to build safety into the architecture of our information ecosystem because we as sole individuals and sort of them's are not going to be able to tell when something is a deep they are not and there are many many companies going to be working in this space of generating. a synthetic media basically a i generated fake media because it was going to be so many commercial viable applications it's going to rewrite the future of the industry of film fashion corporate communications so as these people work on building the school technology they absolutely have an ethical responsibility to ensure that it is not misused oh
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goodness me let me just do this one more time so that you can see this book complete secrecy in the book cover. that coming in for clips that is needed but it's fascinating at the very end you give people ideas about where they should go to get credible in the nation what are your 3 favorite sites. so actually obviously it's a real example of how hard is that in our political environment has already become or how potent in for the last 30 seconds of the shouting enough your 3 favorite place it's better off when you read when it's raining for snow because there's a fantastic resource as well that i'd really really recommend witness the organization as well. thank you very much need a shake she's the ocean as deep shakes the coming into collapse thank you chief as
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you read appreciate your really great questions thank you to all of our video coming to us as well you make the show anthony ok sunning off in the stream home edition the next time i was watching it with me. it's a very bleak picture for a lot of americans out there white supremacy impacts all of our issues you're putting more money into the hands of some workers taking money out of the hands of other workers and everyone goes to their camp and becomes a us versus them this is the deal about constraining their nuclear program the
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