and you can find much more know all those stories by heading over to our website including the latest updates on the pandemic and all costing about it the address there for you is w w w told al-jazeera dot com. let's take you through some of those headlines now talks to revive the 2015 iran nuclear deal set to resume in vienna president joe biden says he's ready to lift sanctions but 1st washington wants iran to return to the full limits imposed on its nuclear program asset beg has more from that ran on the priorities for the rainy inside the negotiating team is being very careful with its language and that's partly due to the internal political situation inside iran there are many factions here you

have presidential elections coming coming into play in june and this is president has under harneys final term he will be leaving office later this year and he doesn't want to be remembered as the president that resided over a failed nuclear deal and he was able to deliver on his promise of lifting the sanctions and also the nuclear deal will play a major role in terms of those t.v. debates when that presidential election takes place. min miles military is intensifying its crackdown on protesters by imposing more internet restrictions and in the information blackout and that means images of violence like these are slow to trickle out of the country now more than 600 people including 48 children have been killed since the coup in february the u.k. has made an offer of safe haven to me and miles former ambassador. was locked out of the embassy in london on wednesday he was removed from his post after criticizing for his coup and calling for the release of democratically elected

leader aung san suu kyi it's been more disorder and fighting in northern ireland police fired towards the cannon to disperse protesters who threw rocks and petrol bombs anger about post breaks it trade issues of worse and other frustrations the white house has joined the british and irish governments in calling for calm. a critical care doctor says a lack of oxygen not drugs killed george floyd when he was pinned down by police martin tobin testified at the trial of derek shove in the former officer accused of killing floyd is that voting is underway in djibouti president as my alarm and gala seeks a 5th term in office main opposition parties are boycotting the vote. those are your headlines it's the stream next they with us on al-jazeera. talking to al-jazeera we are going to tell me what the government you represent is now

a legitimate we listen we do not sell dense material any country going in or the conflict in yemen we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on culture syria. either way ok welcome to the stream the home edition today we're going to be talking about t.v. fakes and the company even the lips in focus groups i know the person who can say that absolutely perfectly her name is needed she is the author of this book now welcome to the street really good to see. we are going to use you as a result as we have you to we have commenters we have people online again a chat so if you are in the comments section you want to talk to meaning absolutely trendy you know what's the jump into the comment section but you're coming in there

which i get as many as possible into the show you know we have so many questions for you people have read the book people curious about the ideas i'm going to say a sentence i want you to finish the sentence so this book is about the current summation. the short answer is things. there are 3 things i want to ask you just to get out of the way before i open it up to our audience around the world one is the perfect perfect description of him is information go ahead. it's basically bad information better spread even without necessarily an intent to deceive you or description for what disinformation is. this information is another type of balun information but this is made with the express intent of deceiving is so

clips that snots little worse lately lates a lot of the work you're doing he explained that. the info collapse. so you know if it is it's kind of a word play on information apocalypse and i use it to describe this information ecosystem which we exist in which is increasingly defined by misunderstood from ation you look is incredible credibly present a very very relevant for right now some to read your book and then he wanted to ask you a question about it in a very creative way he is have a listener after reading your book i started playing with all these new technologies and soon i was able to create a clip of your voice to take a few photos of you from social media and we treat you doing insane things that you never did that made me wonder what will have room to our shared sense of reality is

everybody going to its own version of reality and even if you look now to the prudish. conspiracy theories are we all really part of the board or no reader of. now that you've absolutely fantastic i know founder we've worked together and he's basically portrayed so vividly there by actually face warping into what was my former living room and manipulating my words why are just so dangerous because they are the latest evolving threat in this crisis of information that we're facing but they're the most sophisticated form of manipulation we've ever seen because anybody's words their image can be used manipulated in hijacked by any actor who basically because ai is an alternate fake media doesn't even need any resources or expertise to manipulate media so we're about to face an avalanche of

generated fake media in an information ecosystem which is already replete with bad information so this is just the next step in in a row a ready corroding information ecosystem where the notion of reality is already being undermined and i want to give people an idea of how easy it is for ai to create people create faces as a web site called this person does not exists view what you like now you're going to have a look at it this is the say says that i'm going to start with and then i'm going to refresh my browser and then you'll see the face who changed and what you're looking at these people don't actually exist this is not a real person nina what's happening here. well essentially the power of ai to generate fake media and this can be anything it can be an image it

can be a video it can be a piece of audio it could even be synthetic a text is nascent it's been around iraq 3 and a half years and what you're seeing there on that website is basically an ai in model that's been trained on data of hundreds or hundreds of thousands of human faces so that it's learned what a human face of and can automatically generate nonexistent human faces and this is why detection synthetic media are just so fascinating because they are the very start of a process whereby artificial intelligence will be wholly able to generate fake media you see it there in those people but as this technology gets better it's going to expand into video audio text it's not only going to be human faces it's anything you can imagine really that the fascination is deadly being picked up by our audience have a look here at this tweet we were telling people about you coming up and you being on the stream today so talking about deep fakes and then underneath that john byrne

says how do we know that it is really you and we have another comment say well could it be really you maybe it is mostly it's not so there's some tongue in cheek fun about that but there is a serious underlying point which is how do we tell if it's a real person and not a real person. well that is exactly one of the dangers of the coming age of synthetic media because one of the manifestations of synthetic media is going to be in these digital avatars and include creasing the increased completely synthetic humans which also will be used for misunderstand from ation but even before we get there the weird paradox is that eyes people become aware of fakes which is necessary to inoculate the public against their risks it also means that everybody starts denying or and the credibility of authentic media starts being undermined as

well so you're really in this place where if you're a bad actor you can also dismissed any kind of authentic media as being a defect or faked so you get into the place where you simply don't know what's real are not anymore even before synthetic media is ubiquitous this thing called the liar's dividend is already giving bad actors a lot of currency and just want to bring in you because people are watching right now and they're wondering about the age that we're in so tailless as hightail a sense of being part of the show i saw previous shows learned young that just because you see something on a blog social media or website that doesn't mean that it is true how can we fix if we teach this to the tech in which are the inner. well that is really one of the biggest challenges because i think the 1st step is just the conceptualization of the vast stale of the problem the challenge here it's an entire paradigm change in

the way that we understand information consume and process information so when you talk about digital literacy that is one part of the puzzle when it comes to building solutions and it's a very important one but i think there has to be a recognition that descale the problem is so vast that it's not only about digital literacy but it's also about enforcing technical solutions and building society wide resilience to which digital literacy is $1.00 part of the solution. you look at in this conversation i'm sure it isn't and you may not see the dangers quite yet in ai synthetic tension ology i want to share with you a quote from nina's book deep sleep porn is an undeniably gendered phenomenon after hundreds of videos i scrolled through in the new deal say porn sites but it was the single one of the male celebrity you know brad pitt george clooney dead now he'll

we're getting into that dark side of dean face tell us more. well the 1st manifestation. of surprise surprise when it started leeching out of the research community this amazing ability of ai to generate fake media the 1st application the world in nonconsensual porn in so many ways pornography is pioneering just as it was at the very beginning of the age of the internet and enormous user calling himself fakes basically use some of these open source tools out of the research community to start making its own ai generated nonconsensual porn films where he took real point arms and managed to get ai to generate the faces of female celebrities into the film so these were female celebrities being targeted he showed other users how he had made them and from there he was posting them on reddit it went wild because a fury. was banned on reddit but the genie was truly out of the bottle and

since then which was less than 3 years ago there is an entire deep fake porn ecosystem online every celebrity you can imagine is targeted but it's not only celebrities it is also increasingly normal women but again it is a gendered phenomenon it is almost universally targeted against women and there's been some very alarming reports recently of deep acorn also being targeted against minors so this very malicious use case of ai shows how your biometrics can be hijacked to put you in a situation which you never inhabited. i want to bring in dr giorgio who talks about an investigation that he and his colleagues did looking into. i don't want to support the story but it's to do with deep fake news and porn and have

a listen to what he found out this is something to happen in just the past couple of weeks. once we uncover an investigation that more than 100000 people were abducted by the fake bots posted a message in person one of their own able to feature naked pictures of people starting from a single photo taken from their social media account now we very body able to place our face in page imagery showing us and compromising our intimacy to issues we are a person under to see your friends blackmail extortion and public shaming online. but this was an incredible for for at that george's company sanford. is actually a detection company released just last week or last month which basically unveiled their own telegram the messaging app this technology had been wrapped up in an interface where users could simply send an image of any woman or miner fully

clothed which they taken perhaps from our social media and then this bot which telegram was hosting would use the ai to generate an image of that woman or indeed child nude now there were over 100000 images being shared publicly and when censor to recently asked telegram to take down the bot they didn't even answer and it was only when this report was released and it got a lot of public attention that telegram for least that part but the most important thing to remember here is that technology is becoming increasingly accessible and anybody can be targeted right we're talking here about one image taken from a woman or a child social media and while this manifestation was a nonconsensual fake porn it can be used in a whole host of other settings it could be used as fraud it could be used as blackmail so we're only really starting to see the tip of the iceberg of what's to come. we could do the whole show on say porn the new

what's happening to women online women includes online when i am going to move on because maps the 3rd one another or you are talking about a new you really look into geopolitics and what's happening with a 96 a this is this is a sweet spot for you and we hand over to matt. ours through one of the things i find most alarming in the book is an hour of potential military applications of the fakes an idea that they could be used to create a kind of a world war and with varying mind given that it is much cheaper to set up and maintain and operate a troll filemon is to do the same with a tank battalion what do you think the future is of military spending over the next 10 years or so how will we see a shift towards information warfare as opposed to traditional warfare i think that's a brilliant question and i think although i can't comment on the spending figures

the top line is that in the 21st century increasingly warfare is going to be forward in this information ecosystem information warfare is increasingly going to define warfare and it's very difficult because unlike physical warfare where you can see the tanks at the border or the little green men invading you can see information warfare it's not tangible therefore it becomes very very effective and the other thing about information warfare and the democratization of the weapons of information warfare is that it is no longer a thing that only state actors can wage well organized groups can wage information warfare even an individual can wage information warfare a win against the states i think. when you look at warfare in the 21st century it is increasingly going to be fought in this information space by more actors and it's community creasing league difficult for citizens or groups to realize that

they're actually under attack and you can even look at the debate in the united states right now to understand how aspect of information warfare is especially when it comes to foreign interference and just information. what's making even more difficult and you point this out is that more now i'm not sure what's real and what's not real so if something looks a bit weird now we're going to think that potentially it's not real and so i want to bring in a story from the new sheriff which has been the leader of kevon went missing when a legit to saudi arabian just went missing and so doing this hope it of people not knowing where he was this video was released i'm going to put your picture in picture nina so you can explain why people thought this might be a deep fight let's roll the video and media you can comment on it. so he'll tell us why does this look like it's the world. so this is the perfect example of something

known as a liar as dividends in a world where anything can be faked and everything can also be denied and that can be used by bad actors and now. the president of the barn have basically gone on a trip and foreign media reported that he had been ill and it probably transpired that he had had a stroke and he basically didn't appear in public for many many months and his critics were saying that the president was actually dead he was incapacitated and in order to quell those rumors the president of the barn and his allies released this video but he looked very strange his face didn't look more models eyes looked wide it didn't quite look like him so his opponents basically said that this was a deep fake and evidence of the president was dead and 2 days later excuse me there was the start of a military coup. it failed but it just showed how powerful this video which was actually authentic and he probably looks odd because he had

had a stone stroke and there probably had botox to be the bad effect of the stroke it shows how effective it can be to say authentic video is fake when there's not a little bit of a cost rate then you know it's hard when you're the only guest on this show and you've got to keep talking so i'm going to go for a moment to tyler jeremiah and tyler journey to stand about what is possible yet what we've been doing for a big chunk of the show with nina is working out why deep shakes when they used in a sinister way are problematic tyler is a student he knows a lot about ai and even he is surprised how to listen. you know as someone who's pretty much grown up on social media i feel like before i have a pretty good understanding of how information gets manipulated by men was there someone i didn't know and coming at this as

a political science student my main concern is how does a high technology and who's the fakes impact our projects so my main question is given that your biden just won the presidency here in the u.s. what advice would you give his administration in dealing with this technology going forward. i think that every politician who believes in love liberal democracy and a shared reality to govern society and doesn't want to have neverending information warfare should make an absolute point of priority the problems of the information ecosystem and focus on fixing the architecture in which this information ecosystem is molded so what are the technical solutions we can embed right into the architecture of the information ecosystem so that as consumers and citizens we basically get to separate some of the noise from the truth from the noise so for

example recruits for example. for example you are increasingly able to think about the provenance of all media so if for example you're a journalist you are a human rights activist and you have you want to show that the media that you're portraying is true and that hasn't been tampered with and that you're not someone trying to benefit from the live dividend you can build technology right into the hardware of your device whether that's your own or your camera to prove that throughout the life of that media that media has not been tampered with so that's the prominent side of the solution on the other hand you also have to think about building ai software to detect fakes because as deep fakes become ubiquitous they're not only going to be in and dangerous but their quality is going to be so good that to the naked human eye we simply won't be able to tell whether it's real or fake so you basically build ai detection to also comply automatically whether or

not it's safe but that is always going to be a cat and mouse game because as soon as your detector improves the generating ability of ai to beat that detector will also improve. this is to some earlier this year connected with code where there's been a lot of misinformation and disinformation surrounding it and that relates to a belgian and build you had a deep situation but it came via extension rebellion and what exceeds your 1000000000 did was they made their premier do a speech make an announcement that was all about connecting climate and climate crisis to. the current covert crisis i'm just going to lead a close up view of the premier this is the defect if you look really closely you can actually see looks like the join here and mean how would you put this into a category of the deep state being misleading or is it in a catch

a green or red sates can be helpful and useful if you're in the middle of a climate crisis it's not a gray area. so i would absolutely say that a misleading because extinction rebellion the controversial ecological activist group basically manipulated a speech made by sophie of almost the prime minister of belgium in which she was made to say that cope with 19 was directly linked like other pandemics evola sars to ecological destruction now she had never actually said that if you watch the video it's not completely high fidelity femi already pointed out you can kind of see that her face doesn't look quite right but that is not indicative or sometimes the quality of the media whether or not people are thought and indeed some people when they saw that video circulating by extinction rebellion really thought that serbs yvel most have made those comments so it is

a mis representation an actual fabrication of a speech that a politician does not make and given that it wasn't labeled very clearly i would say that's absolutely a misuse of the technology. so many questions linger about how do you know what should we do in the what should we do cut a great i want to bring in the program director of this sentiment gregory because sam is putting the onus northern asked the public trying to deduce is is a deep thinker is this not a deep sake he's putting the onus on the creative is serious. we can't expect the average person to be able to spot a dietrich it's already hard and it's going to get harder so there's a responsibility on the people who make the tools to create the prick's to make it as easy as possible for a machine to spot the manipulation and on platforms and video sharing sites to detect those manipulations and tell their users they've seen it and then we can

make decisions if something is malicious and to be careful or whether it's funny until after. so it's a brilliant insight by sam gregory who i know while his organization does incredible work not only with regards to thinking about the folks at this information and misinformation in general and he's absolutely right this goes back to the point i was making earlier about we need to build safety into the architecture of our information ecosystem because we as sole individuals and sort of them's are not going to be able to tell when something is that they are not and there are many many companies going to be working in the space of generating. a synthetic media basically a i generated fake media because it was going to be so many commercial viable applications it's going to rewrite the future of the industry of film fashion corporate communications so as these people work on building the school technology they absolutely have an ethical responsibility to ensure that it is not misused oh

goodness me let me just do this one more time so that you can see leaders who are completely sick of seeing the book cover. that coming in for clips that is needs but it's fascinating at the very end you give people ideas about where they should go to get credible in the nation what are your 3 favorite sites. so actually obviously it's a real example of how hard is that in our political environment has already become or how potent in for the last 30 seconds of the shouting enough dish your 3 favorite places 1st are often used when training for snopes is a fantastic resource as well that i would really really recommend witness the organization as well. thank you very much need a shake she's the ocean as deep shakes the coming into collapse thank you cheap as

a reed appreciate your really great questions thank you to all of our video coming to us as well you make the show anthony ok sunning off in the stream home edition the next time that's watching everybody. here but michael price is the defining story apartheid never before have done it already in human health so clearly a line x. prize agis here is award winning environmental solutions right across the world we seek out people who are fighting they tell us go on and combating climate change while finding ways to protect all life on our planet that's right coming soon as the spear of. the story goes that the statue of an ancient greek god he eats the waves for millenia. until

a palestinian fisherman on earth the priceless relic. the story continues that as the world's attention was drawn to cross mysteriously the day it disappeared once again. the apollo of causes. on. the story of one of the most successful p.r. campaigns in the us. study after study has demonstrated that israeli perspectives dominate american media coverage what part of this can you get through your thick head is hamas a terrorist organization the only thing that you're going to say is what we want and if you don't say it when i go at you speak it would be very hard for ordinary americans to know that they're being deceived the occupation of the american mind on al-jazeera. teaching you can watch out just the way english streamline

each other. plus thousands of our programs. documentaries. subscribe to eugene. al jazeera english. talks to revive the iran nuclear deal set to resume in vienna the us downplays expectations of an immediate breakthrough. this is al jazeera live also coming up. poses more internet restrictions making it more difficult for protesters to get.