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let's take you through some of the headlines here now dizzier now there are reports from in march but more than 60 people were killed on friday by security forces they targeted demonstrators in the southern city of bar grew another 500 people fly by the city attorney chang reports from bangkok. the military crackdown started very early on friday morning there's video footage before dawn broke and you can hear automatic gunfire taking place we heard when the internet was turned back on yesterday morning that the fierce fighting had continued throughout the day and this appears to be a new tactic that the military is using we saw earlier in the week up in the north they used the same tactics in color where they forced the protesters back again and
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again for 3 days and they appeared to be doing the same yesterday prince philip is to be honored with a $41.00 gun salute across the u.k. after his death at the age of $99.00 on friday the prince was married to queen elizabeth for 73 years the royal family has entered an official period of mourning . protesters in northern ireland threw petrol bombs at police fans in another night of street violence despite calls for calm pro british loyalists have been rioting every night for the past week chinese regulators are fine the alibaba group nearly $3000000000.00 for violating anti monopoly rules the world's biggest e-commerce platform has been penalized for reportedly abusing its dominant market position. as i headlines the news continues here now just after inside story.
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al-jazeera is news and the biggest stories of the week delivered to your inbox last analysis and opinions. subscribe. to the conversation. facing i still threaten more than was on the leaders in southern africa considered and possible till deployment but is regional intervention and does i still have a new foothold in southern africa this is the inside story. hello welcome to the program. was i'm being seen a rise in attacks across northern region in recent months dozens of people were
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killed when i say linked fighters raided a hotel in the northern town of palma last month a. 12 of the victims possibly a foreign as were beheaded during the siege the attack prompted southern african leaders to hold emergency talks and come up with a response to the growing crisis well bring in august short if this report from the harding solid comfort the struggle was evident when islamic state fighters invaded the town of palma in march this hotel was raided to a police officer said he found the reception overturned and rooms littered with victims clothing so that i'm assuming that's what it is much use in which people were murdered this is a hotel that hosted many foreigners at the time of the attack many foreigners thought it was the best place to find protection so they ran here they had security but the insurgents were stronger they broke into the hotel and took 12 citizens of different nationalities were tied them up and beheaded them for o'mara showing
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journalists around the hotel he points to a patch of earth he said he buried the bodies here himself. this is only the latest offensive by eisel linked groups in mozambique and what has become an especially violent month. in a cordon aided attack insurgent seized pama this coastal town that lies close to a multi $1000000000.00 liquid neutral gas project it's crucial for the mozambican economy the assault claimed dozens of lives while the u.n. says more than 11000 were forced to flee. the northern province of kabul delgado has seen an increase in fighting since 2017 some believe ice a link fighters are trying to establish a caliphate here but regional leaders say they won't let that happen the reason the attacks in the town of palma have recently demonstrated the magnitude of the problem at i want our steps on thursday a delegation of 16 southern african countries met to discuss the latest violence in
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mozambique the southern african development community or s. a d.c. is charged with finding a solution to the unrest in a tweet the president of zimbabwe said the summit agreed that the n.s.a. d.c. force should be resuscitated and capacitated immediately so that it can intervene the violent escalation of an insurgency in the north of the country has sparked fresh concerns about security in southern africa a region that has enjoyed relative stability and recent decades but with these recurring attacks hope is scattered leah harding al-jazeera let's take a closer look at the fall and possible resurgence of i still the group was laws near defeated in iraq and syria of the un was nearly 10000 fighters remain active in the region but i said has found a new lifeline impulsive offer by forcing alliances with local armed groups
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according to the u.s. defense department violence associated with those groups rose by 43 percent last year and the number of a task planned by us across africa drawn by more than a 3rd. for more on this joined by our guests in london joseph holland visiting fellow of the london school of economics and author of several books on muslim big including a decade of mozambique politics economy and society to 1004 to 2013 the robot no for our board executive director of the nordic center for conflict transformation swanzy the ok to be me research fellow for george washington university program on extremism was welcome to the program joseph do we know who are these people locally known as a man who are now at the center of this insurgency in the northern part of
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mozambique yes i mean there are local people and then he in the recent attack on houma they were identified in some cases as being known to local people and the war started in 2017 it's about inequality it's about exclusion it's about not benefiting from the resource wealth from the rubies from the gas and people hearing that there are emaar generalized and especially young people feeling that they had no future and so they initially became part of an islamist separatist sect that simply wanted to separate out locally but then what happened was that the government and other muslim leaders wanted to attack that and so they felt they had to attack the government and so
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they began an insurgency against the government and what was interesting is over the next couple of years they got huge local support. so suddenly we had quite a large more. ok do you think that their demands will be confined to the social konami grievances or are they likely to further expand that into ideology and say with we want to establish a caliphate of our own in this part of the world yes. for the gift of was and be it has to be linked to influence your historical. circumstances of the country however there are indications in which says that it's not only about the inequalities and dysentery comic issue that the locals are living in but also 1st of all is that the. government is unlikely to sustain a military presence in a few areas such as for example do come under god aware of the extremists are being
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established and also at all there are security deficiencies but also that the land now with the conflict that is in it is almost going to be declared as. no man's land and that is very favorable to terrorist organizations and the combination with locals the 2nd thing is another point is that the. there will be some legitimate grievances even we've been discomfit on going because of the excessive. retaliation of the government upon the people before we're not into more details into exactly what happened in kabul to gargle and the palmer i want to. include a man i meant do we know what links do these people have with islamic states are they an affiliate is a genuine umbrella organization that is affiliated to them or is it blown out of
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proportion by other people. that's a good question and the fact that the islamic state officially advertises on a regular basis. the operations carried out by these insurgents in mozambique shows that there is some kind of link it doesn't necessarily mean that there's a command in controlling live what you might call islamic state central iraq in syria where they would give directives on how it can. reside guidance on conducting the surgeons. but the bag is the theory of the operations of these group of these incentives in mozambique mainly appear on in the news letter of islamic state in the i'm not news outlet of islamic state so there is some kind of communication going on and. also these incisions in mozambique become into what is called the islamic state central africa province although just
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a nicki southern africa are not central africa. but nonetheless the bag they've been elevated within the stages of the. prophet so-called that these are mixtape shows clearly there is an ideological link and it's a genuine ideological link so i would actually reiterate what the previous guest said about the. very are the local grievances and these duty to be taken into account on the other hand there is a very clear ideological it now to these dynamics state was this didn't emerge in a vacuum it it was so it had been on the ground beef years now with a ship that fundamentalists preaching and so joseph you spoke earlier about the disenfranchisement of the people there and this is an area particular car where their god away in $2910.00 the government said where there will be deposits and where they're not all liquefied natural gas it's going to be the moment to transform. the country into ways of wealth that didn't happen
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could it be that the insurgents or the armed groups are tapping into that sense of failure of the government and saying our demands are legitimate because we have been abandoned by our own elite. oh yes that's the whole point but i want to go back to the previous statement isis has not had any contact with al shabaab for almost a year if you go back and look they were there was a link that in may or june of last week was broken last year sorry was broken and isis has stopped making claims about the victories and if you look at the recent claim on homa it's entirely fake news and the forty's the pictures that they used and the videos that they used were from
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a similar profile last year so the isis claim was totally fake and what it indicates in fact is the lack of contact because they could not get current information on what the insurgents were doing because insurgents weren't talking to them and one of the reasons insurgents weren't talking to them is because one of the changes that took place again last year is that the 1st thing they do when they go into an area is they cut the telephone lines. and this is very simple stuff it's machetes going through fiber optic cables but the raid the the raid started at 4 o'clock in the afternoon and by 430 all the telephone links were down and there have been no telephone links except by satellite phones which the insurgents don't appear to have and so what happened is that isis literally had to fake that report
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and i think the very nature of that claim shows that isis isn't involved anymore ok and that we shouldn't be seeing this says a province of isis this is local insurgents are said we're not interested in isis any more they didn't do it any good no for what would isis or the islamic states gain from the fun size in a southern offical when isis has historically been established in its own a safe haven as in the middle east particularly in syria and iraq with a totally different set of narratives about who they are and what they would like to achieve when you see that particular message itself is blurred in a way or another when it comes to africa in particular. exactly we know how to operate absolute up raced through what i can call it a vacuum. either the media vacuum or governance what the curative racket
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so in terms of the media back and everybody with focus in on a cop in 19. wasn't big news was not out there and of course you know we have been seeing some movements from might have to be trying to be ok somewhere else that or to become something of. an hour they're trying to come into big where it is and there are some and it's also. you know share the same opinion is that it is some kind of marriage of convenience a marriage but convenience between the locals insurgent in our shop and some member i so i'm not looking for the games was there before now but what they're looking for 'd any perception that we would have been defeated in iraq and syria but we are growing and going somewhere else is very important to some of the point that might use these that demo going to understand country they're going to be critically
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injured and they are not they're also going to a coastal country and it's very symbolic that they're trying to hold on you know where they are controlling a port so the memories of convenience between the right and i suppose better importantly i meant we're resupplying to what it has become almost impossible to identify has when it comes to armed groups operating in africa those affiliated with al qaida those are the data with the islamic state there's all this talk about the islamic state in west africa islamic state in the sun has an excessive africa islamic state in the southern part of africa but when you look at the chain of the command it doesn't really make sense because when you see the way i see it has been operating in syria and iraq it was a top. in a different mindset totally different mccann ism that is true every day if i make statements. really is as it were indigenous to iraq. and in lesser extent in syria. where it actually achieved the height of success in 2014
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so-called concept of 10 key establishing control administrative land they never actually really had she. never really been able to achieve that level of success they had in iraq in syria in any of the external provinces or just a problem they caught sight of the discourse like libya sinai libya only briefly for a time it. 221516. but you know these are places like mozambique. congo west africa yes it's not the same level our days and there isn't this level of change but i would stress the ideological angle that it. is there is success so safe with 3 big energy companies operating any x.m.l. and total do you see the potential for greater international intervention from not
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all words well i think so but i think that it is the isis or i see a link that becomes important because if you believe the united states if you believe there's no i saw a link. then that will encourage countries to send troops if you treat this is simply a local insurgency then who cares it's just another local civil war so that's part of it the other thing is that exxon mobil has already said it's not interested gas is a is a family resource everywhere in the world and so any has a small project which is running ahead which will start next year total was going to produce some gas probably in 5 years but had started were i think the attacks raise questions about whether any more of this project will go ahead as a whole so i think that the what's on the table is perhaps that it's not going to
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happen now i think total will want foreign military on the ground to protect them. but whether that will happen whether mozambique will accept i don't know. no for whatever happens next is going to be an extremely delicate task for the international community and the southern african countries because if they are to deploy troops they might be widely seen as one of the foreigners operating in a different territory if you are to bring about other formulas in might it might backfire the same way it backfire in places like this region with the massive weaponry that was put into place by the armed groups are still operating there yes so what is interesting 1st of all is to that when we see a terrorist organization operating in somewhere we have seen decreases operation. for instance and that indicates somewhere somehow that there is some kind of cordon
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a ship between some groups in that's a hail and a group in doing. what can be done you know where mozambique was very good in the war and violent conflicts civil war dirty laps of conflict sense of what the problem was actually to sustain peace and this is going to be your piece this time indication or it will be exactly what other. is in relation to the grievances of the microlevel a lot of. it's you will be very interesting to observe what's going on isn't it with what's going on in wouldn't be a member however when you look at the political elite in mozambique they're fairly more party which has been in power since 1970. fire is why does seen as corrupt disconnected from reality and whatever happens in the near future even with all the forces that it can bring about it's not going to make any difference
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to the local people who see themselves. abandoned by their own government. i agree of that. as long as the logo even says that they will help if you will. if you will these searches by recruitment ground for it. regardless of the issue of ideology which as i've said before i do think shouldn't be downplayed. but yes long as you have this issue of the. corruption and divide that taboo delgado's certain marginalized problems. in the context of mozambique it all sort of you know how to provide fuel the insurgency continue in the future even if you did have large scale or an adventure to help the mozambican forces ok chose if this is what is going to happen in the near future total exxon mobile and any
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are saying that the only operate if car body and other becomes a green zone with a korea door which is on the buffer zone and presence of sophistic sophisticated weaponry there to prevent any further attacks by the group if that does not happen they were put out when the put out the billions of dollars that were offered to the government won't be that which is going to bring the country to a disaster. it won't bring the country into a disaster because the whole point of the insurgency is none of the benefit of the gas was going through our nerve people anyway but the other point is that the bonanza that was promise was based on producing literally a 100000000 tons a year of like what 5 natural gas. the most we're likely to get at the moment is 16000000 tonnes years so there's been a huge reduction there's not going to be great amounts of money and that will be
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siphoned off by the elite so most somebody is already not going to benefit very much from the gas and that's not going to solve the war exxon mobil isn't worrying about security at the moment they're worrying about global markets and they've sent in the queue of gas project mozambique is very low now so we only have total and total and so far only committed to this one piece all right so that you're not going to get a gas bonanza going to happen i have in a few minutes here if you don't mind very briefly could africa has become the new frontier for groups like al qaida and i said after losing their ground in yemen and in syria and iraq and potentially using energy as their next platform to further expand their political influence you know very good question and i just want to add one to 1st of all gather the applause or it's yes yes it's not the only resort
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there are still out there some and that's where it's also the foreground. security 2nd thing is that what what is going on in africa shows that for every country there should be organics that lucian's do it. from of course on security perspective you could be some kind of africa kind of reaction but every country needs to find organic solutions to their own problems and i think it was only one piece here we should stop. do you see the african union stepping in and trying to clean up the mess in the continent because southerly is how it has to deal with the use programs in different parts of the continent right we seen the same problems play out of somalia for example and also in the sato that. all the foreign interventions try to help local government forces maintain security . but. i don't really see
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a significant net games in that in the in the long hair. i think there's a risk of overreach. in the same the same way out in mozambique i would actually just and i don't see african nester into the new center jihadist. groups i got i did i did some extent still md very much iraq syria yemen those areas. not and also well into the style region but not afterwards all that being state you yeah you global sector to joseph with focus on i said with a focus on what is happening in was a big but we need to ask a question about the political establishment in power in mozambique for almost 50 years don't you think that they top priority should be now genuine political reforms in the country itself for the country to be able to be immune from such
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problems in the northern part i would support that entirely the question is how do you do it the international community only wants to invest in mozambique to make a profit from the gas. all the international community has dropped its governance from their list of priorities they wanted. so there's no pressure on the mozambique you need to change they figure they can tough it out they figure they can keep with these resources and they don't see any reason to change either even with the war yeah because this is a very fascinating thing because when you go to the african union some is this talking about silent guns the need to combat extremism and poverty and tackle the issues of environment and cycles of drought however when it comes to tackling the assistant issue of corruption mismanagement of public funds that's where they have been lagging far behind josephs the no for a man who was it to me a really appreciate your insights and thank you for watching you can see the
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