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with the government you represent is now a legitimate reason we listen we do not sell the fence material any country the conflict in yemen we meet with the global news makers and about the stories that matter. i am for me ok today on the stream a you die lemme what happens when our country discovers fossil fuels why the world is facing a climate crisis extract them or leave them exactly where they are this is not a hypothetical situation today's stream is all about the east african crude oil pipeline when it's finished it will run from uganda all the way through to tanzania so that the crude oil can get to a port now there are considerable economic benefits potentially from this pipeline
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but environmentalists want to shut it down here are 2 opposing positions have a listen. essentially we see this project creating quite a substantial number of jobs. including turns in the air and perhaps the internet is something can regenerate. but what it's meant to day is about 5000 jobs that will be directly related to the projects that will be in serious jobs and there will also be induced benefits from the projects we write in the 11th hour or police to save the planet from the most catastrophic climate scenarios which we will see in our lifetimes if we do not significantly department of the global economy in the next decade that means we simply cannot afford to be opening up that new oil reserves and it makes no economic sense for any country to bet its future on a fuel that is guaranteed to become obsolete it's give me
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a little taste of the debates weigh in as well if you and you could be in the comment section and be part of today's discussion that's made our guests samuel had a landry hello elizabeth really good to have you here on the stream samuel welcome to tell everybody who you are and what a day thank you very much for my memory of somewhere to go i what we've done better meant governor of. the big negative up with the r. and b. and the betterment of one of the students on it and you know that the walk to the prom what if you know what i'm going to win battlement i'm not going to put in uganda i know what for environmental rights across i've been walking on the equal of that i would either yes or get to have you hello tell our audience who you are what you today. i'll run one of these laundry interests are managing director pretty. pretty we are a global company organization and we work we program community. partners
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to stop the progression of for the future and to cure matusow the energy that conserved the planet connecting from nairobi nice to have it connected with us here on the stream and welcoming us of of to the stream tell audience who you are and what you day and my name is liz that go into the list let's go i'm based in nairobi kenya and here is the president of south africa or the african energy chamber i'm also an entrepreneur and their own oil services company basically nairobi with diesel is allowed because. we are around. so elusive i've been watching some local t.v. in uganda local news in tanzania before some people are very excited about this pipeline super excited about the potential if you could explain in a nutshell what it is what its purpose is what would you say. welcome me
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this is a world class development that's a part 2 to happen. to uganda 2011 well now tell or was still exploring and there was a lot of excitement as to what was what was ahead of us it has taken us this long to finally see what looks to be the beginning of the line of the project that to langer as well as the kingfish development. so yes that. will bring on the all development will bring a lot of jobs as was mentioned by your former guests is also a big factor in the economic drive for uganda like in the it projects but also where those of us who are in the oil and gas industry that it comes with certain constraints and we know what that is about where in an era right now where things are drastically changed the climate change is a big big debate the environment is
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a big debate and believe is a lot those of us oil the oil and gas sector we stand with people who are there to protect the environment however we still say that development has to go ahead you still say that countries have sovereign rights to determine how they're going to use their resources and we say that this will be done in a very sustainable manner and let me just share with you this is a pool of 11 this is where he. has in the lead us they signed an agreement land i want you to watch this and tell me how you reacted when you saw it this is from you they say. the printer for good is to prove it to give us a bigger market on russian roses you can do is this a no no this agreement is in a special circulation not just for uganda interns and there but the entails south
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africa region israel where this project will have an impact and social government development aid. they now mix. and that was quite a ceremony as a lot of pomp and circumstance that it's incredibly it seems from the outside to be incredibly important to uganda and tanzania your thoughts. certainly on that day and at the same time i was in the meeting weaver fellow colleagues and from east africa and across across the continent and they were exactly reflecting on how can we do it but in this particular moment how can we come up we've new ways innovative ways such anabelle ones to ensure that the planet gets back better after the pandemic and i was inspired to write to both president
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to get a we might call it one isn't a cut it was a not a client you're going to commit activities telling them our concern tell him in expressing our really great and deep concern about the development of this project because one of the concerns the concerns are multiple multiple we have not only environmental concerns but also social injustices economic concerns as well and the whole. lack of transparency and lack of information around it is property so we feel this is a project which is going to be a socially catastrophic indeed has already for many of the affected communities this is a project which is likely to be disastrous for the environment because. it emitted that was constructed the pup plan would generate over $34000000.00 tonnes of carbon emissions and today's especially in does to occasion when toward leaders are meeting to meeting about the climate images and when they've been guided by
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president biden to reflect on how can. it's quite hard to imagine that the both countries have decided to proceed with the project which is going to have extremely dire consequences for. a 30000 families in both countries going to detroit natural habitat is going to have multiple impact on what i'm source is. in the league to reapproach person and not to talking about. the betting on the oil industry at the moment we know the course just believe in. global market and of course the world. argument that it's put is going to create jobs for the locals but are still to hear how many jobs are really going to benefit the locals in this particular context so there's a question something what i've confessed about is elizabeth talking about the
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fossil fuel industry standing by environmentalists i don't know how those 2 things are possible at the same time samuel. i think i gone to couple 100 doctors shaped what they are you can find there's nothing i'm saying that they're going to the oil industry is going to craig job how about you realize my colleague what about my father and the op and this most of these are going into a record how many of them are going to benefit in the court before the court there's a debate saying they decline in that occurred york by the we the people need jobs yes but they need not say in their board of jobs that can be with god and get future we cannot continue getting divorced or in the future is about ending what i know in uganda look a potential in god or thing that we invested in putting in the thing then we can build again at a job that can be sustained i want to think the economy i as well as be able to ensure the people i want to benefit from the investment if you're saying enough is
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one of the bombings but there's one right and you can as from an espresso what i make i don't know the investment in this area has a lot of potential and that can be able to what to create in number of jobs that's the thing that will that investing in the tech that that is about to end within the at the same i had worked on was just frustrating to play in that year and we didn't but that we shall not be having the year of that have been promised now that we need to invest in this but they nibble away which you've got after a potential of. i believe a lot for the people i'm just looking at you choose to live off the end of a couple of comments coming out that where people are very concerned about what real sampling the prospects may roping so just solve that problem ship 5000 friends with experience in the field rather than hiring course a list of thoughts. well if the foreigners look like me i hope that won't be
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a problem coming from one year but this said this is a development that has never happened in this part of the world so yes you are definitely going to start off with a large international but during the period during this transition period we would expect the ugandan and country to instill strong local content laws thereby allowing its people you know to to gain experience if i'm a kenyan left my home country to go to america and to learn about oil and gas and become a practitioner of oil and gas and decided to come home and then many many more of us will have taken taken that route and are back back home so at the beginning it may seem as though it is very western in terms of the the the expos that will come via but with time you hope you will transition to the not just only ugandan project this is an east african project and it's not just uganda and tanzania so if i make
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any i think i think sometimes it puts too much emphasis on just the jobs remember the east africa cop as you call it is just one part of a development you have the. development that's the field themselves and then you have the refinery and i don't know if you're aware that uganda being a landlocked country relies kenya to cost for oil its refined products comes to the $41.00 bass and taken by road to uganda this is a lot. for uganda to be able to be become horse self sustaining by building and finally they also be able to sell products within within the region and sell the excess to the markets yes i agree with my colleagues that we are making though there is an energy transition but that transition is no heart stopped . going to say that in 2035 we're all going to new york will energy kenya is
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a country where you will energy strong where the largest just sample provided in africa but we still have an energy mix we still use fossil fuels so my argument is that if we are able to do develop this particular part of this world class project the weight should be that is best in class technology and very good care of the environment then i think we have we have a chance to be able to push uganda where it needs to be as well as the region so i urge my brothers and sisters in the environmental science. just understand we are we do i don't think there is any industry like the oil and gas that is day particular when it comes to let me help so i can i continue to be confused about how you can be with communities when there are going to be reading very specific
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challenges that we pay here on a 00 is a very specific not about the jobs about what happens when a pipeline goes for your community here yes. mr nuke are there with the bodies through which this biplane is going to pounce in or dissuade off the community of east africa extensively because 1st of all it isn't the weed we have in uganda from reports it's one that needs to be heated 42 floors up to tonga i mean to process what she did you don't know what what they did see between it can easily look at this inside look toria i lived through that is not just nor does this kind of confinement over they can cause a lot of to be thought it's not true i think that the entire community of east africa how we dismiss aggressing future is what we don't know so why would we need to know or discussion of you know lines so that we see how is it going to help the people here and how is it going to help the economy of this country if this going to be a great stay in it for there's a lot of challenges done to benefits that d.c.
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people speak about or the 2 governments that signed this agreement speak about. something that is a real fail right that is one that samuel comment on this as they environmentalist in the conversation sunlight is a real fair right that is a f.e.m. is it likely hood away when you put a pipeline for communities is absolutely going to happen the water will be polluted the land will be police said some of your thoughts. i think very much i think. put it into context you find the pipeline in uganda say that money is going to cross what then district that is from from all the oil producing the high amount of the motor and this is going to displace what qualifies on 5 minutes from the house and passing through on the by a vast parsing through all the legs of which form into something depending on this the court will quite a long period of time and there's
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a problem is that i'm going to have studies i'm going to have done quite a number of studies by level but it was not in the way in africa where. we had to buy into the board to buy land development together with the together with a environmental conservation so we caught up on we know that there's always going to be able to balance the development you know if you've done this in much importance one of them more by the by 3 in the africa and you've got a lot of and then mick because in this region not only studies that were done in western or in the nothing of the course of nature and in fact some of the endemic this is i don't want to buy they've lost it as that would be impacted however up brushing up by plane we just missed the boat and not only live the land that they're being dismissed on they are not. as african even increases more impact on environment so believe that. as much does the studies are being done as much as the
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early companies putting on the apprentice putting that mischa to see how they can build the violence does the government you know that the broad isn't in that they might have the potential to get their rate on the revenues that you've got i would need to prepare to do the know it's got a great job the fishing industry time alive or not i mean revenue as a crude oil pipeline can tories come up with that much revenue. this once we invest in our imagine if we invest in the fishing in death we want to invest in me that go out with him in the 3 he does the potential again breakthrough evidence that that's going to need shelf attention potential potential go ahead what do you want to say. so to say is the product being described as a world class project is really a catastrophic one just want to state that again because at the moment where we are
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in living in double trouble prices and we're thinking about how do you do but in a better way in most sustainable way really been drilling in. a region which is. one of the most. critical diverse and rich also in terms of wildlife in the product in an area were thousands of people are going to be affected and displaced in the area worried not say to be generating jobs but also some are saying it's probably very junior drops for the locals it's quite ironic and i put it to go and i just want to point out that this is a kind of project which is going to benefit the companies the developers and probably. the elite that i've been working with this project this project has been hasn't been demanded and asked by the locals to look at there are so many viable
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sustainable ecology call project and deployment ventures that can still be made available for them where they can contribute and ensure the future these products are bought by probably people who may not be around in the next 30 or 40 years when we start feeling the impact of it as a muscle to say the question around the risk of the problem exploding or pollution is very likely to happen as we have been seeing in the night as i have lots of questions for you are right so we've got 5 minutes to questions excuse me because i want to share this conversation with out and i want to spend eva sponsor . if you say here let's start with this one chess this jobs or not compare potential jobs to the destruction that the east african crude oil pipeline could
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cause elizabeth instant reaction go ahead. well you know and yes you believe that this is a product in the product that is all for uganda and then. i don't know how to. how to convert the person who said that i strongly believe that this. is going to be the standard to decide do these one does it all or don't do they want to reach any benefits from it or don't they so we can sit here and debate or we once. again . moving on i think into its day as the country uganda has felt accomplished various projects how will it be able to finish this giant project. yes i know dear the number of projects that you bend it but there would be a been in it and i know you're going to predict that you've been there some of them are being run and up with
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a look or if you're going to get the order up you on monday they picked long to be complicated and end up. that you've got at the end to inquire look a bit it's been a long run so i really don't think that the this is a viable predictor uganda we are either wearables or that we need to invest in and which would work out less than a bully would have country and that is real and i did. grab him while preaching in that i'm a good god there would have been a buck born or our economy or even before it was discovered and i believe in the. uganda there's quite a campaign that's going on elizabeth right now the stop a c o p campaign to stop the pipeline and one of the ways activists are trying to stop the pipeline is to squeeze the money if there's no money how can you develop the pipeline we got in touch with standard bank and this is what they told us because some of the big financial and i'd say since he would normally back
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big infrastructure projects like this the environmentalists are saying you shouldn't be doing this let me show you what they said to us and sent this statement to us stand up banks' new fossil fuels financing policy sets out stringent conditions for lending to fossil fuel projects among other conditions project owners must commit to minimizing of adjacent greenhouse gas emissions standard bank group statement a full 192021 so this is still confusing elizabeth i don't know how you can be extracting fossil fuels i know so i would use in greenhouse gases that i get that some kind of magic that i'm not aware of does it even occur to you a something is working fossil fuels that you need to come up with a solution is there another solution that's renewable sustainable and not to do with extraction is that possible. i mean they are the solutions as i've told you
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jane if they dump lieutenant. as well as in uganda but it's to live in it's and i'm still of the opinion that there is a particular project if it can be financed if it follows very stringent environmental criteria is if you use the best technology there you'll be able to mitigate a lot of the concerns that people are releasing any large structure any large worlds. 100 percent you will not. you will have some issues have huge issues that oil or gas or fossil fuels. is basically how badly this project had come a line 5 years ago. i think it was i think you'd still be on the stream but you might not be on any other networks what you want to have and if they're really on the street because where that kind of show i hear you i am just i am fascinated by where this debate will go because the
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environmentalists are very determined the developers are very determined and who scored in the middle the people who live in east africa elizabeth landry samuel thank you so much for your time really appreciate if you chipper is very good comrades excellent very excellent questions there thanks for helping me out or at so all of this week is climate emergency week here on the street april the 22nd is earth day and i colleagues in the newsroom are going to be rolling out multiple stories let me show you some of them have a look here on my laptop because cheney you act correspondent in china sent me these pages investigating the future of fossil fuels in china and the coal industry also look out for step fasten step is going to be at the level and biggest dike trying to reinforce it against the north sea. what may well be happening in the netherlands these are fascinating stories keep watching al-jazeera not just for the
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streams climate emergency week but also for a special earth day coverage thanks for watching really appreciate you see you next time. if you see. a family. politicized by the forces of nature. they'll know before you. i can and documents his struggle for his community. and builds a template for global action on. the climate. a witness documentary on. the political debate show that's challenging the way you think i want to know where you're. sitting in the range of ideas that can be heard from international politics to the globe and everything in between. are the
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