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tension between tajikistan and stand on a scale not seen in years fighting broke out over the disputed border area although it truce was agreed it's not stalled. because of what it into a wider conflict this is inside story.

hello welcome to the program. kyrgyzstan stan have been in a dispute over land and water resources for more than 3 decades but that's recently escalated into the have is fighting and raise fears of a wider conflict against 40 people were killed in the cross border shelling and thousands evacuated the fighting broke out on wednesday near water facility in an area claimed by both nations villagers from opposing sides threw rocks at each other and border guards then fired guns and mortar the 2 sides now say they have breached what they call a complete cease fire that's also an initial truce broke down the hands of the country's security bodies announced the agreement in a joint briefing on saturday. when we discussed this we reached principle agreements to solve the issues in the interests of security peace and stability in

both kurdistan and to christiane i think we can. if that. does work. i hope there will be full silence the peace the calamity in our countries in particular in the territories on the border we very much hope that the reach decisions which will rot in the protocol will be executed. the latest fighting began after a fishel set up cameras to monitor water supply facility near the caregivers village of caulked ash both nations have claimed areas mainly after they gained independence from the soviet union when it collapsed in 1901 a large part of the border remains are marked fuelling disputes over water land and pastures. delegations have held several rounds of talks but failed to and there are disputes kyrgyzstan and both members of the russian dominated collective

security treaty organization and they both host russian military bases moscow has offered to mediate urging both sides to negotiate a lasting settlement. char's transferred reports from in kyrgyzstan the kurdish ministry of internal affairs has announced that 25 bodies have been found in the town of goal of their reporting that these people were killed in a mortar attack by the military on april the 29th they've also released into the fish sticks only kind of structural damage damage to homes. during these attacks they're saying that 70 to 78 houses have been burned to schools 3 border posts and 10 petrol stations now the press office for the president saw the ridge of power off they're saying that the situation is in their words relatively stable in that area we're hearing reports that the military have withdrawn back across the border

we know that there's been a large mobilization of the kirghiz army to that area as you would expect and interestingly some news coming out from the base can local authorities along those borders they're saying that 58000 people were evacuated from the area 52000 of whom they're reporting as being women and children so another indication of just how severe how serious these clashes have been chance trafford the inside story in oshkosh in southern kyrgyzstan. let's bring in our guests in prague we have bruce pioneer journalist and correspondent at radio free europe specializing in central asia in moscow victor political analyst and lead expert at center for actual politics in london.

in security and development in the department of war studies at the king's college london welcome to the program bruce are we talking here about an isolated incident or something that could potentially become a wider military confrontation. well you couldn't call this an isolated incident you know it lost it teen years anyway they've been having problems on the order that used to used to just end with some ads or handlers and up a car or something like that. so it's been going on for a while but this was much much more serious i mean usually in the states things were you know isolated is your term i mean they were confined to one small area this time all the sudden we saw the tajik forces attack a long long stretch of the border with kyrgyzstan and several different places the problem started in one area but then it quickly spread you know many many kilometers on the borders is the 1st time that we've seen pockets of fighting break

out so quickly and such a long distance along the border so it's much more serious than whether this means or your military but you know i don't know they're all back and usually there is a period of arm up at this and we're up to see like you said far more serious than it's ever been before victor the russians have offered to mediate the asking of both parties to set aside their differences and seek a permanent solution to this particular program do you see an opening for such such as permanent settlements here. well it's important to note that the current borders of the central asian republics were drawn in the in 1920 s. and 1930 years when they were part of the same country of the soviet union and so all of the potential economic political ethnic and other conflicts at that time were not as important since they were within the same country and those are

the mean streets of borders did not play as important a role of course when the soviet union collapsed in 1901 these border is that don't always reflect the economic ethnic and other interests of the neighboring central asian republics the came to the fore and played a much more important role so we have seen these border conflicts including quiz kyrgyzstan for a number of years several years ago there was an internal conflagration in kyrgyzstan involving ins was back when or it you as far as the russian position on this both to take a stand on kyrgyzstan as your correspondent noted several minutes ago members of the collective security teacher can use asian that was founded by by russia by moscow and of course moscow is interested in this internal in this

disagreement between 2 members of the organization being resolved as soon as possible and of course moscow is willing to provide its diplomatic and other. resources to help resolve this matter all right but that being said. a let me let me go to because now we're talking about as you said something that goes back to the demarkation of the border during the boot of joseph stalin with complete the. sprigg god for the demographic and tribal considerations now you're asking people to come together and rethink in new jersey graphic map is that possible from a perspective of both the just and the kurgan is i think we're not asking them to redraw their borders i think part of the problem is exactly there was a there were seen at risk that there would be a redrawing of the border because the kid is head of the security national security

committee and was talking in march about every drawing board does a round of the village of of what or who and that created out of concern are among their tactics and he was suggesting that they would get another piece of land in compensation so i think that the one of the most dangerous aspects would be to sort of repro the borders what i think what is important is to actually demo cage the borders i think the solution would lie and trying to finally decide you know how the borders are to be deal in the united in that area the problem that you know that we have all these and place and many areas where villages of kyrgyzstan tactics are almost sitting side by side and there is only you know that these roads connecting the stans that are mainland where these enclaves and and that creates an lot of instability in are and besides the whole question of water resources as we

know in this case there was also the question are are around that kind of noisy water. intake facility so all these questions need to be finally settled in some way and i think the fact that yes because the thing is here is that we have the demarkation. agreement of the. other was established in 1920 and this is going to be my question for bruce however the took on 2 seem to have 2 different jew political maps of the own the saying let's go back 212924 the koga say we have a 195859 and therefore would like to see some concessions before we can move forward. you know that's one of the problems as they're looking at dipper maps and you know this is one of the 1st things they are or they can make any progress on or remark ation of it to try to figure out which maps are going to use or if they're going to compromise somehow or another you know i mean as my colleagues approach

we've stated our the problem is that the new government and security service the new government i'm curious as really been pressing this you know that they're going to finish these border demarcations i just would touch external focus and also i think it made a lot of people nervous that they may lose something because this was seemed to be going in so quickly are. you know and so this is this is going to be the problem what you know what land belongs to me and what by our own boss or the other search there's a lot of things here you know generations are meaner attending that same town at the same parts of land or are there cemeteries in the area that mean a lot of local or you know so it's really difficult to come to some kind of compromise and i know from being down there are too that it all too up in the decisions that we are at the capitol's don't really reflect the local sentiment i mean the people they are or sometimes that a lot of times they don't they are in some important them are taken into

consideration when you start talking about agreements over the section of the border vic so we're talking about a delicate task ahead for all the parties because we're talking about 471 kilometers which are still disputed art of $171.00 this is a tinder box that could blow up any time. well sure we have to take into consideration their geographic and demographic. facts statistics. kyrgyzstan is the smallest o. of center lesion republics it has a much weaker military and smaller military than neighboring. and those biggest on the tajik is a much more proficient and. resourceful since it took part in the protracted the civil war interject is done in the 1990 s.

the army is much more numerous it's very it would be very difficult for the caregiver's government to change borders in the way that would be beneficial to kyrgyzstan appropriating land that is considered belonging to its neighboring through its neighbors of course the head of the national security committee does she have who has been mentioned here several times has made a number of nationalistic way nationalistic statements both the guarding. the border with those biggest on and these statements have also alarmed caregivers ears giga stones neighbors to the south in project is down and when. when some when the when members of the caregivers government announced that they had plans for construction of a new reserve war in the river that also supplies. and that they were not about to

go into negotiations about this the construction of the season of war of course the drinks. became quite concerned about that and they decided to take this action it's also interesting to note that this conflict took place. exactly at that time when the heads of the national security council's or far of the member states of the collective security treaty were meeting in that kept off the ship just on the induction bare and discussing the fire at the potential threat from of gania stan where americans are of course planning to withdraw and there is a but perhaps from the taliban being reconstructed there and as there is the chairman of the kyrgyzstan national security council was discussing that in bear that tragic forces there took this action right so so far this conflict is definitely we're talking about something that could further degenerate and this is

why i'm going out to them a tele this is a problem you have a border area which is disputed between both countries there we're talking basically about areas which were used for grazing and access to water for centuries and centuries now of telling people it's about time to rethink the way we used to have access to those particular. areas from a technical perspective with seen that it's almost impossible globally to draw lines to draw demarkation xin different conflicts in the world we might be left with one particular option which is bring all the countries to talk about sharing the management of the resources there. definitely as far as water resources in central asia is concerned you know it's very important to reach an agreement don't want to share in the problem is you know who is was benefiting most from these arrangements and if we look at the mechanisms and generally that was a time around sort of there are more of that yes you did already have

a since they tended to benefit this or downstream countries now in this case getting a start and educates to an apples upstream countries and that also creates problems because they are trying you know that the tactics are trying to build a dam as was mentioned the curious one to build the additional reservoir as so certainly there is there's been in the last 30 years a lot of efforts to find mechanisms of joint management and so that is an issue that can be achieved because it has been achieved in many other parts of the world where rivers are being shared and then there is a question of the demarkation of the borders which we discussed and i think that it is not impossible but it sometimes requires compromise and commitment to the agreements reached which is often part of the problem is that the event you know does she have was sort of also renouncing some of the agreements that have been signed with. regarding the border so often the problem is sort of the commitment to agreements reached and the fact that the borders have been drawn in such

a way that they are very complex they are they are not sort of near and they brought they bring they cutting through sometimes areas of ethnic character so certainly there is a problem but i don't think it is not possible to resolve it if it requires 100 of political where you are going to requires not sort of resorting to sort of nationalist rhetoric i think bruce both countries have been talking for years about the need to solve this particular problem but impractical terms both countries have introduced a lens caus basically a reform of the a cultural lens in the disputed area which could result in the handing over of those lands into the private sector this seems to be completely in denial about the fact that there needs to be a problem to solve before you move into any reform. yeah well you know this is true you know the sad part about this is as this conflict as escalated over the years you know a lot of money could have gone toward developing this areas is that

a point or order by in borders and you know bringing more security forces into the regions it is one of the problems and i'm not sure that there is a good solution to any of this especially now it's going to be built up you know there's there's also the bill and you know. it was mentioned which last a touch of a stand but you have to go through a curious turn to get there and you have. you know you have to drive right right through the arctic europeans territory and all the sudden you're at this place and they've been spending years you know developing their culture there and it was mentioned as a possibility 1st lancelot whose name keeps coming up here so we would trade this for something else you know but again this is the kind of problem that they run into and they one official start to talk about what could resolve the issue of the sudden the locals hear about this and it's a total surprise to them you know and so there was instantly pushback from the from

the residents of what rupert is what they're all targets of course. you know in the government the tajik. barrett rare move of the president actually going and visiting this 'd this enclave you know just a couple weeks ago he'd only only been there twice in 25 years and then all the sudden he's going to the start of april to to make the point that we've never discussed trade in this and we never will you know so you see there instead of like needing a compromise that actually solidified basilica that well the government hears vic's when you have populism on the rise of the 2 leaders there's a part of and it will run on rejecting compromise expressing views which are critical of the other party you get a sense that is going to be a long way before there is a practical realisation that it's about time to solve this particular border dispute. well it would be it will be very difficult to find a permanent solution to this

a new time soon for that isn't as you stated and for some others 1st the walls are part of is the relatively new president in kyrgyzstan he is using he and the sri of and some other members of the killed his government are using nationalistic language rhetoric to gain to garner more support and that it would be very difficult for them to make any concessions without without that the king the political responsibility for those concessions which they are not ready to do at this point at the same time interjected stan the president there my leader one is. getting educated been getting ready for some time now to by simply pass. power down to his son and it will be very difficult for him to make concessions to the caregiver side of this but the one other user would be in that. at this moment and

also in other users that as i mentioned before that stan has a much more powerful military here ok then kyrgyzstan there would be they do not feel i need to worry isn't all given you think up to to the caregivers ok so how well are in this situation would be very difficult for the i see your point but then we're talking about vague borderlines that continue to stoke and rust and it brings back the memories of 2004 by 81114 and 15 when classes erupted about the same problem so unless there is a solution we are likely to see further classes and possibly a war between the 2 countries. i'm not so sure we would see a war i think for the for the factors that were mentioned by the previous speaker i don't think i mean we're going to expect after all out war and i think neighboring countries especially russia would try to do anything to to stop this kind of

massive confrontation but i think we can expect these kind of clashes in the future and i think it's very sad because i was reading some of the reports how people you know for many years have been living very peacefully but the area has become increasingly sort of militarized there is increasing suspicion there is a populist rhetoric so i think that probably sort of you know there are tight resources there is an increase in demography no relation so i think that things can be done if we move away from sort of the purely so don't need to to just. sort of find solutions that are mutually exclusive we might find mechanisms of joint you know use of of useful resource safe from war to from land try to find ways to develop the area and to make it profitable for everyone but i think if i'm

i say one of the biggest concerns i think is what was mentioned the fact that you know we have the american withdrawal from afghanistan and that is going to create a kind of stability of a very different nature then this is something that really need to monitor and think about and look at that is to be a much more serious challenge in my view bruce brief if you don't mind you help water scarcity you have cycles of drought which could potentially become major threats not facing all of both countries but the globe. couldn't this be a starting point for both countries to think about alternatives which is basically saying that let's think about how we can manage those resources against the backdrop of this gone the situation without being bogged down in a problem about lines to be drawn well certainly they're going to have to have a big say in this and i agree that you know there are lot more investment needs to be put into this area so there can be a level of comfort that things are moving forward and they are going to be love or

and that's the tutor's up and because of some land deal that's may be you know going to need of these countries have a lot of money to put food in toward so it's going to be a real question of resources financial resources. and of equipment and materials that are in need to go and it is but but it's something you're right that there's going to confront all the communities on the border and in the next few years and if they're ever going to get any kind of order agreement to mark ation reached in this area he really has to start with was developed into that area 1st so that people 'd have the feeling that their future is protected no matter what where the lion is actually along the border and how far they can go before they're in another country bruce pioneers victor on of it's to mattel a tiger most so thank you very much indeed for your insight and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website c.n.n. dot com for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com for

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