tv Studio B Unscripted Al Jazeera May 4, 2021 6:30am-7:01am +03
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$7000000000.00 on apps from google's clay store but there are billions not millions and that's 40 percent higher than last year this is a huge business and it's growing and it's growing fast there's nothing wrong with that but what's wrong is if we don't have competition the central question in this case will be if apple is a monopoly is it abusing its power the ruling made by a lone judge could have consequences for the entire digital market the trial is expected to last 3 weeks and gallacher al-jazeera. am fully back to go with the headlines on al-jazeera u.s. president joe biden has raised the cap on refugees entering the country despite an earlier decision to keep the limit imposed by the trump administration more than 62000 people can now be admitted this year from 15000 mike hanna has more from
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washington well it's a complete turnaround by president biden a massive u. turn a few weeks ago he was insisting the cap would stay at 15000 does a stop lift by the trumpet ministration but now in a memorandum to the department of state he says that this cap will be lifted to 62 and a half 1000 now he says the change of mind came because the $15000.00 figure that he'd agreed to was always an indefinite one that he was going to take further advice from colleagues and various departments about that particular figure india is fast approaching 20000000 confirmed coronavirus cases after recording a 12th straight day of more than 300000 infections 24 patients have died after yet another hospital ran out of oxygen. colombia's finance minister has resigned after days of protests against proposed tax increases left at least 17 people dead have been calls for more demonstrations this week despite president iran do with drawing
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the plan at least 30 people have been killed by gunmen in eastern bloc in a fossil of the attack happened in come one jari province near the border with me share the government says gunmen surrounded a village and went house to house killing people and setting homes on fire libya's new interim government has called on turkey to withdraw its foreign troops and mercenaries foreign minister. uncorrect to comply with un security council resolutions. 2 of the world's top philanthropists are splitting up the bill and melinda gates say they've decided to end their marriage after 27 years in that time they've given billions of dollars to charity including committing 1.70 $5000000000.00 fighting cove it 19 those are the headlines on al-jazeera i have more news for you right after studio b. unscripted stay with us. it's a very bleak picture for
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a lot of americans out there white supremacy impacts all of our life issues you're putting more money into the hands of some workers taking money out of the hands of other workers everyone goes to their camp it becomes us 1st is that this is the deal about constraining your nuclear program the bottom line the big questions on out is there are. no right or is just a store to store its allies or whose story is a psychologist is a philosopher my name is well a syrian coffee. being a novelist in a country like turkey is a bit like being slapped on the once again being kissed on the other cheek at the same time i am in a shock. people like to think that then nationalism is not as ugly as someone else's one of the
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major fears i had when i was in exile was the might get me because i didn't want to . use your identity is one which. would also admit it applies not just to writers of course. in fact it's other part of the. of the sort of dialogue nationalist died lamma which plagues europe for this sort of identity has become. seems to become a critical issue. generally in the world and yet there are human beings. who transcend not always in a positive way the nation for instance certain religions certain religionists feel
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that they are all moral and that their identity should be seized or are related to through their religion ultimately a writer like myself especially who draws a so much from this society and of course who's a global wonder aspies are pretty articulate well i know high seas by sell my subsidies or i know what that is but what really a my 2 to the other m i defined by a mission a want. what's your response i was i think i'm a bit more prepared to. write about our emotions but a whole season i did it or you see it in your you know it's it's a question that matters a lot to me because i do not think that we have to have a monolithic identity despite what they say to us there's
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a lot of pressure on so many of us to belong into one single box and stay in that box you know are you a muslim just be a muslim i you this just be that and stay there forever but i think as human beings we have multiple belongings and it's worth fighting for that multiplicity when i look at myself i realize very clearly of course and they attach to stumble and i carry it with me wherever i go but i'm also very attached to the age in the balkans i carry in my soul so many elements from the middle east my european by birth by choice the values that i share over the years i became a londoner a british citizen and despite what our politicians say today i think i would like to think of myself as a world citizen and the global soul why can't i be multiple things people like to think that there nationalism is not as ugly as someone else's nationalism that
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there nationalism is actually the right type of nationals and that is a civilized nationalism and i don't i don't believe in that i think the core of nationalism is quite ugly it is divisive it is based on a distinction between us versus them and their assumption that are somehow better than them and it takes one financial crisis or takes one political crisis for that core to surface so when i say that i do make a distinction between loving your country loving your culture you know being attached emotionally these are. useful feelings as an author every time you know i have written a book in turkey people said oh short of a couple i mean stashing must be a secret i mean that i wrote some other booklets say another story they say oh she must be a secret jew initial must be a secret code because all these conspiracy theories in places where there is no democracy but underlying is the assumption that if it's not your story why should
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you even care you know if it's not your identity why would you even try to write about someone else's story and i think we need to be they aware of thought and very critical of that. in west africa some years ago. the nigerian government decided to expel all gummy hams from niger in fact as an expression in niger today called god i must go oh yeah an i phone by solve. personally violated i feel that if i listen i've taken place on my behalf in my name yeah and i found it very repugnant in fact in my university my department became a kind of a refuge and i defied anyone to go and touch them or was it because
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i could not understand why there should be such a distinction amounting to the right of expulsion between them and me. and we've had that experience all over the continent and as soon as there's a slight problem created by ms government mismanagement of economy the immediate impulse is to look for scapegoats of course the 1st line scapegoats are those who are quote unquote foreign as well and of course see what's really happening in south africa the amounting even to the link chain the pursuit of the lynching of a foreigner as before mozambique or affected at one time zimbabwe nigerians of course see this leaves one in such a weak position when one now house to decry the ultra nationalism
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and the waves are which are sort of taking over europe effect in politics immigration policy. i mean even the internal governance in which the the machinery of the government is arranged primarily against. foreigners what are my sort of guide in my interest is and let missions die that humanity may survive it. the problem i have is i don't know what will take its place missions will become surely long in the tooth to me do. explode bent to strew but never really know what but they all seriousness is a safe we have no memory as if we have forgotten and i'm not talking about history that took place long time ago and that effects everything there is a complacency as well. service a lot as if some parts of the world were more solid lance more safe and steady you
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really didn't have to worry about the more chrissy in those countries most of the western world was seen in the sway you really didn't have to worry about human rights or freedom of speech or women's rights or minority rights you would have to foot think about these issues in a liquid glance outside the western world and i think after the year 2016 that perception has been shattered to pieces but still there is this assumption that some countries are inoculated against the far the rise of far right germany was thought to be one of those countries because people thought after experiencing the horrors of fascism people would never make the same mistake ever again and now for the 1st time since the 2nd world war we have a far right group within the german parliament and of course sweden was regarded as another inoculated country because it's a welfare state and the bust in of social democracy now we have the rise of the far
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right in sweden and the u.k. was thought to be inoculated against the rise of the far right why because it's of it has very different traditions it doesn't even have a written constitution a very strong hold of you know liberal democracy and so many other historical reasons but again we can't say it why it will never happen again and we are seeing the rise of. hate speech hate attacks particularly targeting minorities immigrants suddenly this toxic language in politics made it ok for people to say things were that were unsaleable until recently. and yet i sense this contradiction in me you do so does for instance on the african continent. i feel closer. to africans in the diaspora.
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feel to be my grab region in north africa. i feel closer affinity definitely and i found myself far more interested in the fortunes of cultural of course retentions in brazil for instance where you have the eureka young people in cuba etc i know i have a kind of visceral connection even in sports i must confess i'm a racist when it comes to sport i'm interested i'm interested internist only wants to remain. the last williams plane. gold photograph or gold but any time i hear tiger woods name i want to know has got to go on. that is that i wonder whether we should be thinking more in terms of cultural blocks but definitely a confers to the contradiction in me that this is a quantum contradiction i think it's feasible to feel that kind of attachment
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emotional belonging isn't i don't associate that with you know nationalistic way of thinking or any more reductionist way way of thinking so the opposite i find find it important that we feel those emotional attachments that's why i insist on making a maybe distinction between patches and men nationalism i think the truth is way too important to leave to the nationalists i also think pay for instance is way too important to leave to the religious i think politics is way too important to leave to career politicians and i'm curious about your views on the language tour how does it feel to write in english and did you get any reaction because i did get a lot of reaction for i do write in both english and turkish but more and more i write in english and it's difficult to explain to people sometimes only think in nationalistic terms because folk. it's always an either or choice so if you writes
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in english it means you have abandoned your essence your mother tongue and yes i think this is the in which so many of us dream in what more than one language and so when i look at my writing i realize if i'm writing about melancholy sadness longing i find it easier to express distinction talking but the humor irony in particular and much is in english. but there's no question at all for me language is both a vehicle. it's a technicality for use at the same time it has this extension and to be a repository. of history of philosophy so the pop for me i'd seen a reason why he wanted to come out have its cake and eat it. and that's why i talk about being multi-lingual for me this is ideal if you want the streets of nigeria
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for instance the start of english and open your switch into broken english for me is an expression of. of the complexity of the thinking process but it's instinct if you don't find the expression. in one language you switch naturally to the language from which the idea derived originally of course i got this flack also why do you write in english lesson that our english is in fact the language oh cool make us you know i do when i want to take over and take over you know control of our lives to speak in english so you can get anything more basic than the sudden transformation of yourself from even a partial democracy to outright dictatorship but anyway you know but i think it's about time we brought in many of us go through their 4 years ago. i was wondering
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if you have ever felt the states particularly frustrating 8 about the lack of impact given the rising. erosion of democracy and shrinking city spaces so do you think that the language and narrative of human rights defenders including yourselves some water should try and change to reach out more effectively to the people that currently seems to be lured more by the demography by the language of the far right nationalists and populists in this age we all need to become more engaged citizens to me that's incredibly important and there's one thing that worries me when i read the memoirs all right so some points who have survived the worst calamities in human history including the holocaust almost all of them are saying something similar they're saying bad things happen not because people are
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bob's well some people but relatively speaking their numbers are small and so they're saying the opposite of goodness is not necessarily the bobbins the opposite of kindness is not necessarily evil. the opposite of goodness is in fact. is the moment we become numb the sensitized and indifferent that is a very dangerous turning point because upon the ground we can sow the seeds of all kinds of racism all kinds of sexism and xenophobia once enough people become numb so it matters to speak about human rights and each other's stories but you're so right some things to change in our style as well sometimes populist among works are better in terms of addressing people's emotions than their liberal counterparts it's so dualistic they talk about the people versus the elite but i think more and more of us deliberately need to start using the words the words in a break them into pieces so i deliberately use populist elite because populist
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don't have a problem with elitism as long as they are the elites when they're not really criticizing it it's the man many of them are the elites in fact when we take a closer look and the 2nd thing is they think of the people as a homogenously whole but they feel they divide people into real people who are says on real people people who really matter 1st as people who don't matter that months much so all i'm trying to say is the problems are real but populism is the wrong answer to those real problems and we need to do a better job in terms of addressing those real problems and remind each other and ourselves that human rights matters. thank you i wanted to ask you both about your periods of exile when you spend on able to return to nigeria or to turkey for your own safety but yet you continued to write about these places what is it like being so intimately connected
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to a place so absorbed emotionally intellectually in a place but physically separated and how has that influenced your writing i found it very difficult to accept that i was in exile very very difficult especially the major one the 2nd one which was forced on me and it was actually a life and death scape escapade if you like i think carried. that but sense of belonging with me so deeply that one of the major fears i had when i was in exile was that they might get me in exile because i've been declared one to live by that the dictator was actually setting up consulates to hunt down the opposition but. from peace this is a self revolution was that i began looking for
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a place where i would be buried if i was got outside my fear was not so much being killed outside but pub and some my family or some well meaning friends take my body back why are the dictator was there now that's how you know after not wanting to come by the way i was at peace with myself so good don't take my body back if that conduct are still in charge i don't want to trample in all over my corpse. i still laugh at myself so look at you and sort of buy more weeks for disguising yourself you're paying the money to go but that's exactly you know what i did that's part and parcel of. but once composition rather than. those do sociable to call changes in your country's interest you for example still affect your writing style as much as it used to when you started writing it's
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so so connected with the previous question isn't it exile sometimes self-imposed exile can we have multiple homes multiple homelands cameco politically ever this connect from our homelands which i think i don't think it's possible. just the opposite perhaps you even follow it more closely when you're abroad you you care about every single detail so it's a very very fragmented existence in a way you're always a bit of an insider outsider. which could be a good position for arts or the art of storytelling because you're enough of an insider to feel attached to places many places but maybe a little bit of cords of distance just a little bit of distance maybe to say things from a different perspective but if it's a good situation position for art i think it's a very long the place for the artist you know you're always in between them and i
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and i carry that feeling with me to be honest the number of people from all over the world who have started to feel as if they were in some kind of exile you know that number is increasing more and more people have started to get worried about their mother you know they can't recognize the changes that are happening even when they live in those countries so it happens to me a lot when i give talks there are people you know in the audience they say i come from minnesota and i come from brazil i can't recognize my country either nor can i you know we're all asking what happened to my sweet country i was wondering how you think that colonia mindset has had an impact within our culture and ball possible changes you think that we could bring to ourselves us people from different countries who leave you know in europe or in countries that are in our countries. to better society in the future. the culture is
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a powerful weapon by you know but at the same time cultural come through very very feeble. interests or some real. intractable situations in nigeria or use expression or in those descent into. inhumanity. and i was speaking of. an astronomical arises in kidnapping for ransom in. in rape in pedophilia and ritual killing sex trafficking and we ask ourselves what what's happened to our humanity and what's the. solution solve these girls who are sold into prostitution. truly put under some kind of supposed to show's. chain
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with their terrified that if the remarriage on the terms of the of enslavement that terrible things will happen to them and to their family. and they believe it because they come from a superstitious goat but the same culture is being used now to remove that fear from them you have somebody like the above been in for instance who sort of pronounced 1st a curse you know with his entire family of priests and choose the curves on all. traffic to continue traffic you know on people into sex slavery but one should not depend to a belief on the part of culture culture. and lightnings relieves entertains strains but at the same
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time the negative aspects of culture which just becomes an extra burden even outside on the burner and. just just to follow up on the i i think today it's the major clashes that we're experiencing are taking place in the field of culture we are so obsessed with data you know measurable quantities of data but there are things that matter so much that can't be measured that easily and yet they're extremely important so as you know there were all these predictions about a question of civilization small space between the western world and islam that's not what we are experiencing but i think what we're experiencing rather than a clash between civilizations within the nation states within our societies we're experiencing cultural fractures you know cultural battles almost and so there's
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a lot of tension going in that in the field about identity belonging who are we how do we raise our children but at the same time of course as writers we also believe in the transformative power of culture when societies are deeply polarized the only people who benefit from that are the populists demagogues so how do we find a way to go beyond our equation armors beyond our comfort zones around and i think that's that is ourselves most of us a little tolerance a service in such such a pleasure to talk to you as i said i thought i was sure i knew you. and i hope this kind of commune. continue. yeah. thanks. his is the perfect analogy of everything that's wrong in this world is broken in
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