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they go once this time and homewards a systems the infrastructure is supposed to be completed by 23 but be due isn't who would announce much she's preparing fun not alone courts will search for what's in the morning even. the new gun well a molly and a woman has given birth to 9 babies to more than doctors detected during scans the 5 girls and 4 boys were delivered in a specialist care unit in morocco it appears to be the 1st time on record that a woman has given birth to surviving nonappearance. hello here's a check of the headlines on al-jazeera the german pharmaceutical company that developed the cove in 1000 vaccine along with pfizer has hit out at
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a proposal to suspend intellectual property rights by own taxes easing patents wouldn't boost vaccine stocks around the world any time soon india has been pushing for the waiver on the patents elizabeth problem has more from a vaccination center in new delhi. this is good news but the world trade organization has to reach a consensus and even if and when that is achieved india and other countries will have to set up the technology used to manufacture some of these vaccines like pfizer for instance uses more advanced technology the messenger r.n.a. technology and this is why people here say that this would have been more welcome last year when india 1st pushed for it before the situation became so out of control here allowing more new and more contagious variants dozens of french fishing boats have ended their protest in the waters around the british island of jersey in an escalating dispute over postdocs that fishing rights french fishermen say new licensing rules imposed by the island prevent them from operating in the
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area the international criminal court has sentenced a former ugandan militia leader to 25 years in jail for 61 war crimes and crimes against humanity dominico and became a commander of the lord's resistance army officer being abducted as a child's at least 10 people have been killed in flooding in algeria several provinces were hit by intense rain in the past couple of days many properties were badly damaged and cars were swept away in a province rescue teams have been deployed authorities in afghanistan say gunmen have killed a former television presenter now much ron was shot while travelling in kandahar the former told news presenter had been working for the finance ministry is media office no group has claimed responsibility as a few of its those are the headlines the bottom line is coming up next.
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hi i'm steve clemons and i have a couple of questions have relations between russia and the united states reached real rock bottom can they improve or will things get even worse let's get to the bottom line. u.s. president joe biden openly says he believes his russian counterpart president vladimir putin is a soulless killer but biden putin relationship is less of a love fest compared to what donald trump and putin had but that doesn't mean biden and putin won't be working together both sides are now testing each other's red lines ukraine is one of those contests but so too is cyber space after washington
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determined that the russian government was behind a huge hacking of its agencies that started in 2019 known as the solar winds hack the bite into ministration sanction dozens of organizations and individuals in russia and kicked out 10 russian diplomats russian responded by telling the u.s. ambassador in moscow there's probably a good idea for him to take a vacation in america for a while tit for tat knuckle rapping aside biden has invited putin to a face to face personal summit meeting in a 3rd country sometime this summer to reset relations but in the era of biden and the ongoing story of lattimer putin what kind of cooperation or competition is normal for these 2 countries today we're talking with someone who's been one of the keenest observers of russia u.s. relations for decades dimitri simes is an author and professor on soviet and russian studies and an expert in geo strategic affairs he's met with putin and he said by the american presidents on relations with each other and he's the president and c.e.o. of the center for the national interest and publisher of the form. policy focus
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journal the national interest dimitri simes it's great to have you on the show today let me just ask you as we have now moved into an inflection point politically at least in the united states and as both countries are sort of trying to figure out how to manage their equities their interests i know you have a very realist lens of how to get that right what do you think is most important right now for joe biden to try and accomplish with lattimer putin. things if as soon as the most important. american ship going to go into this. new way would look at it can you google. for it is simple in principle motivated you to accomplish because if you were better allies whoa you would go. to put it in there. for good to go nuclear weapons well then you're going to design so it's
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quite a challenge for them to write about them you know one of the things you wrote recently in the national interest is the united states had to decide whether it wanted to be a hedge of monic democratic empire that prevented anyone else from basically having a say in the world or whether it had to recognize its constraints live within those and allow other nations to do that where do you think the u.s. is going right now with that calculation. well i thought it was. talking about of the united states not just being the number one but creative being that india. has if you will in the free world a supposed to be a minute that is to do with present this completion with russia as an end of logical struggle it's almost like he's did it because it best itself but if we're
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stuck in a ball at a go 'd trickle struggle. and the imminent victory or was 'd the soviet union as in need of socialism there's no way talking about of 'd the united states being going to do a democracy just and again being bowing to succeed but if you look not a pathetic but that what is it in a company think you can see that the united states and russia a quite suspicious of for each other that the united states and russia or has become different into this in very different venues but i had the scent that i was nations today allies you could go whoa is not a sensible option the brinksmanship is too dangerous and accordingly it is important to day identify it is a bit 8 foot no laws it isn't because we need to manage what differences you know
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one of the things that i've been trying to understand dimitri is how russians inside russia look at their leadership look at their choices look at what's happened with ukraine look at what's happening with alexina vonnie and i and i and i think it's fair to say that you know domestic support for vladimir putin's actions in russia is rather high and a lot of us looking are just very surprised by that and i know you've been to russia recently what is your sense of putin's popularity in putin's choices are they rooted in domestic support in russia. wealth has told you this book because could you have declined it because the client who was actually leaving spender's because of the client or was it arson difficulty in getting was a pun better mic and it kind of declined the way is ready for you for him polish success is huge increase in theaters but it filled the client in combat isn't always being debated right let's say in 2014 when there are some still call of
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a career in the debt done which is popular idea was 83 percent while not only are slow but to still 60 it took that ascendant. we job is leaders cut and you may ask how can we trust. these opinion polls well i will tell you i am courtin the new blood the pope belongs to the position that arson go home and come see it is a sporting good thing use ation a foreign agent and i think most russian the position to do is take nobody bullets very seriously so what can be said fusion plea will kill or at holme not to do a war it abode that mystics the war in his get into with the united states and they don't look up to say zip zoom or us is pressure zoom or us is a lecture the great tip we can support is because the more good if russians it wins
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those who are quite uneasy who is the wall that you would consider the ship there but to look at the people and the dog like you and for him paul was still the most quotable let's listen to a clip of president biden and some of his early comments on dealing with russia united states is not looking to kick off a cycle of x. and skull ation and conflict with russia we want a stable predictable relationship and russia continues interfere with our democracy i'm prepared to take further actions to respond dimitri do you think that message from president biden is one that is welcomed in moscow and in the kremlin or is it one that is saying we're going to have a rocky relationship how do you think of a or hearing the present night state. us humans you know will host a bloody difficult all show than most goal which is called the great game. and lust
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says the game we interview can spread a 2nd pitted me to bespoke who should is also a deputy chief of the presidential administration and that a couple of us could best go for a day and a phone conversation of. what would be the one thing he sings he believes is a biden administration should know about production but dish and what would the lower russia duck said as a supplement i was president biden was the us president has recently proposed and it was still no response from putin and bischoff said he saw it for a 2nd q. paused and said well. president biden said that he is interested in the would be in the scottish and and got a can with the russian way does book the book but the sense of problem ace the 2 and then there's a button that amused relation makes a statement leave it as it is immediately it bought up but do we still will desist
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or are we would force russia to pay a price if they don't full well i made it them guns for almost the stand point is it is not a way to talk with our fear and the problem is indeed is that. being tough will with russia to do it could maybe many popularly into the united states that may stick with it but it doesn't make what you the most flexible way of going to hear good things a great bright or never read that in god before him priska and do the calcium that mr could so often we can pretty present by him but being inflexible rhetorical is because being put in that mr clean when you talk about respect and the and that and the posture that america should take in dealing. with a powerful russia i'm interested in this this because not something is often discussed do you think if the u.s. were to become more self aware of some of that that you would find
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a more. workable pliable you know russian participation in trying to solve some of these problems say in ukraine with crimea well steve being publicly that our show is over this are not a panacea right you always do negotiate from a position of strength if you have strengths and but big it is the u.s. agenda is sufficiently and vicious little bit doctrine on there used to put a huge using negs states that would not be strong would be strong economically it would be strong condemned so domestic unity still in contempt if i made it on the lenses and of course their own limited at it having said that if you just throw them in self-confidence you don't need to put your opponents don't. demonstrate to them your strengths you demonstrate that you will force of
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conviction but then you do member is it is a film dignity and they may be better people who may feel that they're wrong as a devoted disagreeable but at the same time if we don't know clearly. to intimidate them we need to need to sheet to his them and if you negotiate with somebody who can do them down and insulting the did this is a good motivator good sink to do i don't need billy-o. or all of the reagan was tough as nails in union was a summit union i have the will physical instance when reagan was president had taken some of it lead to this and it was no up again because he'll a soft on communism but because he wanted to could result at others and that mr grandstanding. what are russia's options strategically it does it does russia really have an option of embedding itself more closely with china i know it has has
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troops in an alliance with syria it has troops in libya what are the elements with iran perhaps that he kept giving iran sort of a sideways move in dealing with the us and things that it was party to like the j c p a way what are the elements of the sort of great you know chess board out there that would give russia strategic depth and options that would help maneuver around the united states well the russian will consider that to go it intends to building strong go lenses and look but good. i would say again to my interview last week was specific admit to biscoe and there is that maybe question became. russia could have good relations with a number of companies starting of course with china but i'm sure doesn't seem to cody a little ice who is solo i say expanding. as a sign of that is that it was the united states and was the czech republic not
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a single country is expanding i made it can or european diplomats to support the russia in the us is it was to do it. in china would become a life it was as subjected to the wrong guy made it compressed and then go to a very interesting disciplines. instead of saying well. great friends who is china and. that asian is only getting stronger every day and going to result in a form only did that alliance instead mused the best club said. the next states and russia could have a different concept of poland's introduction case alliances to come people who own bus companies don't contribute to the says you. rick impressed but it then nope didn't get engaged in your deals and when i'm not looking for formal security get range wins was a on the company's not you have to understand that this is. a meaningful
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statement not because i used to set it to complete the holy but because it didn't do gates. more school does not expect an alliance with china anytime soon is the chain used and there are shims kind of similar good even says to get into the next state they want to with local o'flynn to get the but russia does not want to go to war when we get to confront patient wheezy next state because 'd of china and the same is separate the rule was that cheney and his visit onion former florida means the judge very. recently has shed his perspective on russia and he complained the film game and that he did not want to come to promote. agreement nuclear disarmament agreement do we say you should put it so that russia
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does not permit stronger alliances like the united states in building such alliances is not in the cause but i do think that if. 'd the united states a no careful with can create some kind of talk then put out arrangements between china and russia which would move because right on the lens but you know there was no lens between hitler and spun but arrangement of this book on his mate cultism to spot weld what to go with up to but it careful nobody believes this you patient in the nuclear age now dmitri a lot of people frame russia as a you know moderate or even a small economy they may look at it as an oil and gas superpower but i know that russia. it has the ability to destroy the united states and has more deployed nuclear warheads than any other nation on earth and i think it's something that's forgotten but another element of power out in the world exists in what nations can
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do and muster in the cyber world and we've had a lot of debate in this country about what russia has done meddling in the elections and i'm just sort of interested in your insights into this new arena of information dissin from ation which which as you've written russia has particular expertise in but in this new world of cyber does this give russia another dimension of power that much of the world is underestimating. let's give fest i would not underestimate the russian economy quote off the death was not in the same way he who is the united states. not the bill clinton said that if you look at the purchasing power of then numbers 6 and 2 of those then number 2 in europe just off the gentleman here i cannot make clear i would say a very troubled country in minya dispense but this 2 major economic presence no if
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you look at that often made it to the budget to. official feeders than just something going to the range of 7 could be dem voters i don't seem to think it would you take that seriously if you are in a little up and them so pictures in poems this is a much more meaningful feel good there are needed to budget isn't very ancient over 141 continent 50 beat and all of us this a vague 80 c.d.'s number but to get a foreign country where 'd. the manpower is much cheaper than in the united states where they don't spend same money all on pensions for the veterans in the united states in terms of siva difficult for me to judge him not to be an expert in that didn't official and in the kremlin is is instead doing good or well that jam on the world leader is in that bed of course it is and i'll bet on
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a different being in that mania over to mr rushton that a scientist i am a great king and you can find them in this you can bet it and can do for him. in sama seem to fix sent at close to muffle it to stuff ice to say whoa way again i don't know. how to compare them with the united states humans have considered it because i don't but they do have capabilities which can be of any meaningful it is the. she has made it confront patients and they don't think that they knew would you want to experiment in that area but it could be because you never know when cyber warfare going to lead to an actual wolf and even needed to confront patients do you think sort of i'm on the strategic class in washington that nuclear weapons and their prevalence have become kind of you know but knol that people don't think about them anymore because i am interested in how little folks think about the
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nuclear possibilities in a negative encounter with russia. i think you're absolutely right it's stuff that i think anybody has obama administration when president obama could not believe the danube would be in his right mind would sink a boat using nuclear weapons in a new kind of confrontation well of course there are invited to go up there and. says about it clear that if mother is in danger even when that note at that was a nuclear weapons is it would concede to you can you clinton and what you've said what a graph it could if we could we should ation when there are shit isn't dangerous or when there are way to destroy it well of course once the world was ok russia maybe have to do it to us do well to didn't even exist use it at all because for the same is that a customer can do what they think and no amount of throws them to flip can. hold
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up roach well filk of to say that. he has a somewhat important but their own in terms of forward you can you can google here of course was a ball enough to the wall but. he is presidents of the incident because work no other than time with bill is cold lending going to the bloke 8 both emitted people died and let me interrupt and mums it was young brother so i. hope we can pursue bill or if i'm a jew all this is a question for the other. was his approach to major confrontation was the united states is in my view. but does it look if people if it were younger. in your view experience in the world would go is it much more quickly as a himself said just you all kinds of we did it it did ations against what was
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a beauty and if they made a computer gemini right which of these. can is that our nation that is but he is a brother much former intelligence officer he is not like you know a couple that in general who are i'm sort of too much forward no matter what but it's such people in there are. much more what i would say a sedative less corpus of approach. than we did that elation for the united states let me just ask you finally dimitri president biden has made an offer to president putin to meet him sometime this summer for a one on one personal summit i've read in russia in the russian press that they don't want a repeat of hell sinking in 2018 they don't want a do nothing summit that ends up looking like a clown show basically they want something serious if you were helped to identify
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the most important elements of an agenda that these 2 leaders would find worth their equity sit home what would those be what would you put on the table to advise president biden as a way of saying here is a way to make this more serious than not in terms of bringing vladimir putin into a consequential dialogue. well climate change is one area where our share in the united states level of income and i see nuclear proliferation including you hope is the case of north korea again that is considerable agreement and that i would say crisis management strategic stability were actually i think. one of the best efforts of collaboration between 0 net and states and thereafter is that innovation should be doing to me to that is there was to disagree there was do concede to each other i will say but they do know color to work together and to
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manage to do. beyond that with a one great dividing line in this it is ukraine who need states but he's going to go by because of the hope that ukraine is. a defunct their ally and look the sheepish and between russia you and ukraine as a black and white wizard in the united states accepting that ukraine is in victim of aggression russia and the rest and they basically adopted to your cranium. that ukraine if you wish is the biggest i'm against for the russian aggression in the order for the russian ukrainian exist then show be sure they do believe that do it was immediate that it wouldn't in ukraine beckon to sell isn't 14 they don't need that it could happen to his considerable assistance from the united states and
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only after that there are going to go of crimea and support into separatists it's very difficult to have any agreement on ukraine if news aside is willing to compromise and understand that this edition is a road that can play well dimitri simes president c.e.o. of the center for the national interest i really appreciate your candor thoughts thank you for joining us today thank you very much so what's the bottom line everything that washington doesn't like about russia is exactly what makes putin more popular invading ukraine and annex crimea well that's super popular in russia doing away with term limits and basically keeping putin as president for life or at least the next 15 years. that's super popular in russia even trying to kill his critical exene of only throwing him in jail half a russian say it's his own fault for criticizing putin and don't forget all opinion polls in russia say that folks there see the united states as their number one
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enemy so putin stays popular as long as he finds new ways to poke america whether by hacking or by social media campaigns to mess with american society what incentive does he have to play nice with biden so let's keep it real as my guest today would have it america is going to have to figure out a way to live in cold peace with moscow warmer than the days of the cold war but not warm and friendly and that's the bottom line. 100 years ago britain and france made
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