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back to to reenter sadness fear over the weekend as you point yet tell you just top of rocky it specially designed so many components will disappear and be destroyed during the pre-entry process the probability of causing harm to activities in the air and on the ground is extremely low because human departments covering to full promptly report a situation to me to populate. this is our desire these are the top stories at least 278 palestinians and 6 israeli police officers have been injured in clashes in occupied east jerusalem violence broke out at the al aqsa mosque and elsewhere in the city dozens of muslims have packed the site for the last friday prayers of the holy month of ramadan it abraham has more from hamas in the occupied west bank the situation seems to be call made down and the tidbit near a mosque compound but we've been told that there are still ongoing clashes near the
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compound in the old city of jerusalem and we've been hearing from many palestinians who would going back to the occupied west bank from. that they were subject to humiliation and torture at the checkpoint one of the checkpoints is separating juice and them through. the occupied west bank and that they are subject to. arrest as well the chinese covered 1000 vaccines sign a farm has become the 5th to receive the world health organization stamp of approval for emergency use it means it can now be added to the u.n. backed kovacs scheme. coronavirus numbers in nepal of shot up as the crisis spills over from neighboring india it has 57 times more cases than it did a month ago a lockdown has been extended in the capital katmandu. india has again recorded more than 400000 new coronavirus infections in
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a day but experts fear the numbers actually far higher infection and death rates have been spiraling out of control the united nations is calling for an investigation into a police operation in brazil that left 25 people dead it says officers used disproportionate and unnecessary force in thursday's raid on suspected drug traffickers in rio de janeiro anger is growing over tactics used by officers in the jacket it is easier for vela in the north of the city activists are demanding answers saying the operations a stark example of police brutality in poor communities a former president of the maldives is in the critical condition after being injured in a bomb attack outside his home doctors say mohamed nasheed who's the current speaker of parliament has had multiple operations police are now investigating what they called an act of terrorism what the president says was an attack on democracy. those are the headlines the news continues on al-jazeera and health and goodbye it's a very bleak picture for
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a lot of americans out there white supremacy impacts all of our life if you're putting more money into the hands of some workers taking money out of the hands of other workers and everyone goes to their camp he becomes us 1st is that this is the deal about constraining your nuclear program the bottom line the big questions on out is there are. no right or is just a store to store its allies or whose story is a psychologist is a philosopher my name is wallace sorry and got. to being on the country like turkey is a bit like being slapped on the once again being kissed on the other cheek at the same time i am in a shock. people like to think that then nationalism is not as ugly as someone else's one of the
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major fears i had when i was in exile was a they might get me because i've been declared want to. use your identity is one which. would also admit it applies not just to write as of course. in fact it's other part of the. of the sort of diet. list which plagues europe for this robot entity has become. seems to become a critical issue. generally in the world and yet there are human beings. who transcend not always in a positive way the nation for instance certain religions certain religionists feel
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that they're all moral and that their identity should be seized or are related to through their religion ultimately a writer like myself especially who draws a so much from this society and of course who's a global wonder aspies are pretty articulate well i know high seas by cell my sub caesar i know what that is but what really a my 2 to the other and i defined by mission a walk. what's your response i was i think i'm a bit more per better to a writer there are martians but a whole season i did it or do see it in your book you know it's it's a question that matters a lot to me because i do not think that we have to have a monolithic identity despite what they say to us there's
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a lot of pressure on so many of us to belong into one single box and stay in that box you know are you a muslim just be a muslim i you this just be that and stay there forever but i think as human beings we have multiple belongings and it's worth fighting for that multiplicity when i look at myself i realize very clearly of course i'm a attached to stumble and i carry it with me wherever i go but i'm also very attached to the age in the balkans i carry in my soul so many elements from the middle east my european by birth by choice the values that i share over the years i became a londoner a british citizen and despite what our politicians say today i think i would like to think of myself as a world citizen and the global soul why can't i be multiple things people like to think that there nationalism is not as ugly as someone else's nationalism that
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there nationalism is actually the right type of nationals and that is a civilized nationalism and i don't i don't believe in that i think the core of nationalism is quite ugly it is divisive it is based on a distinction between us versus them and their assumption that us is somehow better than them and it takes one financial crisis or takes one political crisis for that core to surface so when i say that i do make a distinction between loving your country loving your culture you know being attached emotionally it is a. youthful feelings as an author every time you know i have written a book in turkey people said oh short of a couple armenians that she must be a secret i mean that i wrote some other booklets say another story they say oh she must be a secret jew emission must be a secret code because all these conspiracy theories in places where there is no democracy but underlying is the assumption that if it's not your story why should
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you even care you know if it's not your identity why would you even try to write about someone else's story and i think we need to be very aware of thought and very critical of that. in west africa some years ago. the nigerian government decided to expel all gummy arms from niger in fact as an expression in niger today called god i must go. and i phone by solve. personally violated i felt that evolution a taken place on my behalf in my name yeah and i found it very repugnant in fact in my university my department became a kind of a refuge and i defied anyone to go and touch them or was it because
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i could not understand why there should be such a distinction amounting to the right of expulsion between been me. and we've had that experience all over the continent and as soon as there's a slight problem created by ms government mismanagement of economy the media impulse is to look for scapegoats of course the 1st line scapegoats are those who are quote unquote foreign as well and of course see what's been happening in south africa the amounting even to the link chain the pursuit of the lynching of a foreigner as people who are mozambique or affected at one time zimbabwe nigerians of course see this leaves one in such a weak position when one now house to decry the ultra nationalism
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and the waves are which. for the taking over europe effect in politics immigration policy. even the internal governance in which the the machinery of the government is arranged primarily against. foreigners what are my sort of guide in my i'm trying to let nations die that humanity may survive it. the problem i have is i don't know what had taken place missions will become sure long in the tooth to me. explode bent to stew over the joke but they all seriousness is a safe we have no memory as if we have forgotten and i'm not talking about history that took place long time ago and that effects everything there is a complacency as well. service a lot as if some parts of the world were more solid lanse more safe and steady you
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really didn't have to worry about democracy in those countries most of the western world was seen in the sway you really didn't have to worry about human rights or freedom of speech or women's rights or minority rights you would have to foot think about these issues in a liquid glance outside the western world and i think after the year 2016 that perception has been shattered to pieces but still there is this assumption that some countries are inoculated against the far the rise of far right germany was thought to be one of those countries because people thought after experiencing the horrors of fascism people would never make the same mistake ever again and now for the 1st time since the 2nd world war we have a far right group within the german parliament and of course sweden was regarded as another inoculated country because it's a welfare state and the bust in of social democracy now we have the rise of the far
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right in sweden and the u.k. was thought to be inoculated against the rise of the far right why because it's of it has very different traditions it doesn't even have a written constitution a very strong hold of you know liberal democracy and so many other historical reasons but again we can't say it why it will never happen again and we are seeing the rise of. hate speech hate attacks particularly targeting minorities immigrants suddenly this toxic language in politics made it ok for people to say things were that were unstable until recently. and yet i sense this contradiction in me you do so does for instance on the african continent. i feel closer. 2 africans in the diaspora and i
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feel to be my grub region in north africa. i feel a closer affinity definitely and i find myself far more interested in the fortunes of cultural of course retentions in brazil for instance where you have the eureka young people in cuba etc i know i have a kind of visceral connection even in sports i must confess i'm a racist when it comes to sport i'm interested i'm interested internist only wants to remain. the last williams playing. golf i don't care for golf but any time i hear tiger woods name i want to know how it is going to go on. so that is that and i wonder whether we should be thinking more in terms of cultural blocks but definitely a confers to the contradiction in me that this is that i can contradiction i think
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it's visible to feel that kind of attachment emotional belonging isn't i don't associate that with you know lashing the stick way of thinking or any more reductionist way way of thinking so the opposite i find find it important that we feel those emotional attachments that's why i insist on making a maybe distinction between patches and nationalism i think such it is way too important to leave to the nationalists i also think faith for instance is way too important to leave to the religious i think politics is way too important to leave to career politicians and i'm curious about your views on the language tour how does it feel to write in english and did you get any reaction because i did get a lot of reaction for i do write in both english and turkish but more and more i write in english and it's difficult to explain to people sometimes only thinking nationalistic terms because for the. and so is an either or choice so if you writes
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in english it means you have abandoned your essence your mother tongue and yes i think this is the in which so many of us dream in what more than one language and so when i look at my writing i realize if i'm writing about melancholy sadness longing i find it easier to express this things in turkish but humor irony in particular and much easier in english. there's no question at all for me leonard is both a vehicle. it's a technicality for use at the same time it has this extension and to be a repository of ideas of history of philosophy so the pope for me i've seen a reason why he wanted to come out have its cake and eat it. and that's why i talk about being multi-lingual for me this is ideal if you want the streets of nigeria
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for instance the start of english and open your switch into broken english for me is an expression of. of the complexity of the thinking process but it's instinct if you don't find the expression. in one language you switch naturally to the language from which the idea derived originally of course i got this flack also why do you write in english assume that our english is in fact the language oh cool make us you know i do when i want to take over and take you know control of our lives to speak in english so you can't get anything more basic than the sudden transformation of yourself from even a partial democracy to outright dictatorship but anyway you know of but i think it's about time we brought in many of us go through their 4 years ago. i was
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wondering if you have ever felt the states particularly frustrating 8 about the lack of impact given the rising. erosion of democracy and shrinking civic space so do you think that the language and narrative of human rights defenders including yourselves some water should try and change to reach out more effectively to the people that currently seems to be lured more by the demography by the language of the far right nationalist and published in this age we all need to become more engaged citizens to me that's incredibly important and there's one thing that worries me when i read the memoirs all right so some points who have survived the worst calamities in human history including the holocaust almost all of them are saying something similar they're saying bad things happen not because
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people are barbs there are some bad people but relatively speaking their numbers are small and so they're saying the opposite of goodness is not necessarily the bobbins the opposite of kindness is not necessarily evil. the opposite of goodness is in fact moments is the moment we become numb desensitized and indifferent that is a very dangerous turning point because upon the ground we can sow the seeds of all kinds of racism all kinds of sexism and xenophobia once enough people become numb so it matters to speak about human rights and each other's stories but you're so right some things to change in our style as well sometimes populist demagogues are better in terms of addressing people's emotions than their liberal counterparts it's so dualistic they talk about the people versus the elite but i think more and more of us deliberately need to start using the words the words in a break them into pieces so i deliberately use populist elite because populist and
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have a problem with elitism as long as they are the elites when they're not really criticizing if the man many of them are the elites in fact when we take a closer look and the 2nd thing is they think of the people as a homogenously hall but they feel they divide people into real people who are says on real people people who really matter 1st as people who don't matter that must much so i'm trying to say is the problems are real but populism is the wrong answer to those real problems and we need to do a better job in terms of addressing those real problems and remind each other and ourselves that human rights must. thank you wanted to ask you both about your periods of exile when you've been unable to return to nigeria or to turkey for your own safety but yet you continue to write about these places what is it like being so intimately connected
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to a place so absorbed emotionally intellectually in a place but physically separated and how has that influenced your writing i found it very difficult to accept that i was in exile very very difficult especially the major one the 2nd one which was forced on me and it was actually a life and death scape escapade if you like i think carried. that but sense of belonging with me so deeply that one of the major fears i had when i was in exile was that they might get me an exile because i've been declared wanted to live by that the dictator was actually setting up a consulate to hunt down the opposition but. i found peace this is a self revolution was that i began looking for
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a place where i would be buried if i was got outside my fear was not so much being killed outside but. my family or some well meaning friends take my body back while the dictator was there so that's how you know after not wanting to come by the way i was at peace with myself so good don't take my body back if that car is still in charge i don't want him trampling all over my corpse. i still laugh at myself so look at you and sort of buy more weeks for disguising yourself you're paying the money to go out but that's exactly you know what to do it's part and parcel of. but once composition. does the sociable to call changes in your country's interest you for example still affect your writing style as much as it used to when you started writing it's so so
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connected with the previous question isn't it exile sometimes self-imposed exile can we have multiple homes multiple home can make complete the ever this connect from our home which i think i don't think it's possible. just the opposite perhaps you even follow it more closely when you're abroad you you care about every single detail so it's a very very fragmented existence in a way you're always a bit of an insider outsider. which could be a good position for arts or the art of storytelling because you're enough of an insider to feel attached to places many places but maybe a little bit of cords of distance just a little bit of distance maybe to see things from a different perspective but if it's a good situation position for art i think it's a very long the place for the artist you know you're always in between them and i
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and i carry that feeling with me to be honest the number of people from all over the world who have started to feel as if they were in some kind of exile you know that number is increasing more and more people have started to get worried about their mother lance contractor guys the changes that are happening even when they live in those countries so it happens to me a lot when i give talks there are people you know in the audience they say i come from minnesota and i come from brazil i can't recognize my country either nor can i you know we're all asking what happened to my sweet country i was wondering how you feel. all in your mind sir to have an impact within our culture and ball possible changes you think that we could bring to ourselves us people from different countries who leave you know in europe or in countries that in our countries. to better society in the future. the culture is
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a powerful weapon i know but at the same time cultural come through very very feeble. interest or some really intractable situations in nigeria or use the expression or and those descent into. of inhumanity. and i was speaking of. an astronomical arises in kidnapping for ransom in. in rape in. that ophelia ritual killing sex trafficking and we ask ourselves what what's happened to our humanity and what's the. solution solve these girls who are sold into prostitution. truly put under some kind of supposed to shows. chained
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with their terrified that if the remarriage on the terms of the of enslavement that terrible things will happen to them and to their family. and they believe it because they come from a superstitious goat but the same culture is being used now to remove that fear from them you have somebody like the above been in for instance some sort of pronounced 1st occurrence you know with his entire family of priests and choose the curves on all. who traffic to continue traffic you know on people into sex slavery but one should not depend to a belief on the part of culture culture. and lightnings relieves and detainees so strange but at the same
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time the negative aspects of culture which just becomes an extra burden even outside on the burner and. just just to follow up on the i i think today it's the major clashes that we're experiencing are taking place in the field of culture we are so obsessed with data you know measurable constants of data but there are things that matter so much that can't be measured that easily and yet they're extremely important so as you know there are all these predictions about a crush of civilization small space between the western world and islam that's not what we're experiencing but i think what we're experiencing rather than a clash between civilizations within the nation states within our societies we're experiencing cultural fractures you know cultural battles almost and so there's
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a lot of tension going in that in the field about identity belonging who are we how do we raise our children but at the same time of course as writers we also believe in the transformative power of culture when societies are deeply polarized the only people who benefit from that are the populists demagogues so how do we find the way to go beyond our acquaintance hours beyond our comfort zones around and i think that's that is also the most of us a little tolerance a service in such such a pleasure to talk to you as i said i thought i was sure i knew you. and i hope this kind of commune. continue why discovered yeah thank you so much thanks thank. me because it's the perfect analogy of everything that's wrong in this world and is
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broken in this world because it's a curtain raiser for the climate crisis i think we humanize corporations were doing something really dangerous because a corporation if it were a human would act like a psycho. we tout the untold stories. we speak one of us to. be caught up alongside us. no matter where it takes us a pretty familiar feeling seared after my eyes and power i am pasha which tell your stories we are your voice no news to al-jazeera.
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