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it is a candidate not this is silly because it becomes like. so important thing is the joint letter. of general assembly president concedes the process is not spelled out in the u.n. charter to terrorise has pointed out that more than half of his executive team are women for now it appears that's as close as any will get to leading this organization kristen salumi al jazeera the united nations. watching all jazeera with me said holroyd the reminder of our top stories israeli security forces have fired tear gas at palestinian protesters at the gaza israel border it comes after more than $200.00 palestinians were injured on friday night when israeli police stormed the aqsa mosque compound several states in india are going into lockdown as officials try to bring the creative virus outbreak under control india is the 3rd country after the u.s.
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and brazil to record more than 4000 deaths in one day has more from new delhi we've been reporting that both the case count as well as the debt that we remain under reported there are growing calls for national lockdown but you will remember the prime minister a few weeks ago said that a national law will be his last resort in the meantime states have been announcing their own cobbs sort of creeping coffin was if you will call fuse that have torn into complete lockdown then we've seen that in states today this morning the chief minister of tamil nadu has announced a 2 week lockdown starting may 10th when only essential activities will be allowed more than a 1000000 doses of the astra zeneca vaccine have arrived in pakistan once the country imposed a nationwide lockdown 10 days it's an attempt to stop cases spreading during the muslim holiday of. the head of ethiopia's orthodox churches accuse government
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forces of carrying out genocide integrate province since november fighting between the central government and to great people's liberation front is believed to have killed thousands of people england has unveiled a green list of 12 countries where residents can visit without going into quarantine when they return the new rules come into effect on may the 17 band will mean international travel will no longer be illegal australia new zealand are on the list even though they've both closed their borders to u.k. tourists. there's uncertainty as to whether a launch out of control section of a chinese rocket will end up most of the $23.00 ton booster section of the long lunch 5 b. roll because it's better to burn earth when it reenters the atmosphere but any remaining pieces could fall anywhere on earth china says the de berry is unlikely to cause any harm. those are the headlines nicholas will be here with more news in half an hour he will be here next with the inside story but 1st it's the bottom line to stay with us.
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hi i'm steve clements and i have a couple of questions have relations between russia and the united states reached real rock bottom can they improve or will things get even worse let's get to the bottom line. u.s. president joe biden openly says he believes his russian counterpart president vladimir putin is a soulless killer but biden putin relationship is less of a love fest compared to what donald trump and putin had but that doesn't mean biden and putin won't be working together both sides are now testing each other's red lines ukraine is one of those contests but so too is cyber space after washington determined that the russian government was behind
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a huge hacking of its agencies that started in 2019 known as the solar winds hack the bite into ministration sanction dozens of organizations and individuals in russia and kicked out 10 russian diplomats russia responded by telling the u.s. ambassador in moscow this probably a good idea for him to take a vacation in america for a while tit for tat knuckle rapping aside biden has invited putin to a face to face personal summit meeting in a 3rd country sometime this summer to reset relations but in the air. biden and the ongoing story of lattimer putin what kind of cooperation or competition is normal for these 2 countries today we're talking with someone who's been one of the keenest observers of russia u.s. relations for decades dimitri simes is an author and professor on soviet and russian studies and an expert in geo strategic affairs he's met with putin and he said vised american presidents on relations with each other and he's the president and c.e.o. of the center for the national interest and publisher of the foreign policy focus journal the national interest dimitri simes it's great to have you on the show
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today let me just ask you as we have now moved into an inflection point politically at least in the united states and as both countries are sort of trying to figure out how to manage their equities their interests i know you have a very realist lens of how to get that right what do you think is most important right now for joe biden to try and accomplish with lattimer putin. things if as is most important. but if you go into this. new way the good mood is can you google. the simple principle to motivate you to accomplish. better allies whoa. or. do pretty. good to go nuclear weapons well then you're going to be. so it's quite
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a challenge for them to write about them you know one of the things you wrote recently in the national interest is the united states had to decide whether it wanted to be a hedge of monic democratic empire that prevented anyone else from basically having a say in the world or whether it had to recognize its constraints live within those and allow other nations to do that where do you think the u.s. is going right now with that calculation. well i thought it was. talking about of the united states not just being the number one but created being that india. is if you will in the free world is supposed to be a minute that is to do with present this completion with russia as an end to the logical struggle it's almost like he's did it because it was just itself but if was
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talking about a go trickle struggle. and the imminent victory over 'd the soviet union as a leader of socialism there's no way talking about of the united states. going to do a democracy just and again being by him to succeed but if you look not a pathetic but it what is it in a company think you can see that the united states and russia white's a speech because the future of the. united states and russia or has become different into this and very different venues but there at the same time well it was nations today allies you could go whoa is not a sensible option the brinksmanship is too dangerous and accordingly it is important to day identify it is a bit 8 foot no laws it isn't because we need to manage difference as you know one of the things i've been trying to understand dimitri is how russians inside russia
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look at their leadership look at their choices look at what's happened with ukraine look at what's happening with alexina vonnie and i and i and i think it's fair to say that you know domestic support for vladimir putin's actions in russia is rather high and a lot of us looking are just very surprised by that and i know you've been to russia recently what is your sense of putin's popularity and putin's choices are they rooted in domestic support in russia. wealth has told you this book because could you have declined it because declined it was an auction leaving spender's because of the client or was it arson difficulty in getting was a pun better mic and because of the client the way is ready for you for him polish success is huge increase in theaters but it still decline in combat isn't always being debated right let's say in 2014 when there are fans to go
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a career and the debt done which is popular idea was 83 percent might not like such a low but does still 60 it took an ascendant. we job is leaders cut and you may ask how can we trust. these opinion polls well i will tell you i am quite good and they do love that quote which belongs to the petition their arse and go home and come see it is this poor i'm going to use asian a foreign agent and i think most russian the position to do is take nobody bullets very seriously so what can it is sufficiently local at holme not to be too awarded a bowl 'd of that mystics the quote in his get into going to the united states and they don't look up to say zip zoom or us is pressure zoom or us is a lecture the great tip we can support is because the more good if russians it wins those who are white that means you who is
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a wall that you would consider to shoot their attitude you would get people into dog like you and for him paul was still the most global to do let's listen to a clip of president biden and some of his early comments on dealing with russia united states is not looking to kick off a cycle of x. and skull ation and conflict with russia we want a stable predictable relationship and russia continues interfere with our democracy i'm prepared to take further actions to respond. dimitri do you think that message from president biden is one that is welcomed in moscow and in the kremlin or is it one that is saying we're going to have a rocky relationship how do you think of a or hearing the present night state. us humans you know will host a bloody good go talk show the most gold which is called the great game. and lust says they will interview and who can spread 2nd fitted me to business koch who is
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also a deputy chief of the presidential administration and i cut us biscoe for a day and a phone conversation of. what would be one thing he thinks he believes is the biden administration should know about production by dish and what would the lower russia duck said as a supplement was president biden was the us president because recently a proposed and there was still no response from clinton and biz close said he sought for a 2nd keyboardist and he said well 'd of. president biden said that he is interested in the would be in the sky lieschen and got a can with the russian way disposable but the sense of brought them ace the 2 and then the button that amused ration makes as statement leagues it is it is immediately bought up but we still will do this to russia was russia to pay
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a price if they don't full well i made it them guns for almost the stand point is it is not the way to talk with our fear and the problem is indeed is that. being tough will with russia do it could maybe many popularly into the united states that mystically but it doesn't make what you the most flexible way of going to hear good things great bright or never read that in god the foreign press and good helps him that mr could so often we can pretty present by him but being inflexible rhetorical is because being put in that mystically when you talk about respect and the and that and the posture that america should take in dealing. with a powerful russia i'm interested in this this because not something is often discussed do you think if the u.s. were to become more self-aware of some of that that you would find
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a more. workable pliable you know russian participation in trying to solve some of these problems say a new crane with crimea. well steve being publicly that our show is over this are not a panacea right you always do negotiate from a position of strength if you have strengths and but big it is the us agenda is sufficiently and vicious little bit doctrine on there used to put huge is united states would not be strong would be strong economically it would be strong condemned so domestic unity strong contempt of climate on the lenses and of course their own limited at it having said that if you are good is there room in self-confidence you don't need to put your opponents don't. demonstrate to them your strengths you demonstrate to them you will force of conviction but then
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you do member this is a film dignity and they may be but people who may feel that their own was exhibited disagreeable but at the same time if we do not follow up to intimidate them we need to need to she to his them and if you negotiate with somebody who can do them down and insulting the did this is a good motivator good sync to do i don't need a billy-o. or a little break them was tough as nails in union was a summit union i've looked at a little physical instance when reagan was president had taken sort of it lead to this and it was an olympic game because he'll a soft on communism but because you want to do what is else there are others and that means to grandstand and what are russia's options strategically and it does it does russia really have an option of embedding itself more closely with china i know it has has troops in an alliance with syria it has troops in libya what are
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the elements with iran perhaps that he kept giving iran sort of a sideways move in dealing with the u.s. and things that it was party to like the j c p a way one of the elem. it's of the sort of great you know chess board out there it would give russia strategic depth and options that would help maneuver around the united states well russian up chansons it to god intends to building strong go lenses and look but good. again to my interview allow us to it was specific to me to biscoe and then the rest is that maybe question to kim and they said that russia could have good relations with a number of football can come to just studying of course with china but i'm sure doesn't seem to cody a little ice is so low i say expanding production diploma as a sign of stated that it was the united states and was the czech republic not a single country is expanding i made it can or european diplomats to support russia
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invest is it disability russia and china would become a life if this subjected to strong guy made it compression and then look at a very interesting response. instead of saying well of great friends who is china and. that asian is only getting stronger every day and going to result in a form only did that alliance instead ms depends quite said. the next states and russia could have a different concept of poland's it into russian case a license is to come people own bus companies don't contribute to this as you get impressed but it is then not didn't get engaged in you would deals and when i'm not looking for formal security get rangelands was a knee on the company's not you have to understand that this is. a meaningful
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statement not because i used to set it up to complete the it but because it didn't get gates adept at. more school does not expect an alliance with the anytime soon. jane use of that arson squad of similar grievances against the united states they want to with local o'flynn to give the but russia does not want to go to war when we get to confront patient with the next states because of china and the same is separate the rule was that cheney and his visit onion former florida means the judge very. recently has shed his perspective on the russia and he complained the film game and that it did not do one too good to promote. agreement nuclear disarmament agreement do we say you should put it so that russia does not strong alliances like the united states in building such
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a lens this is not them to cause but i do think that if. 'd the united states and no careful with good some kind of talk to put out arrangements between china and russia which would move because right on the lens but you know it was there was no lens good to him he had led stun but arrangement of this book on his mate cultism to stop well what do we have to do but it careful nobody believes as you day ssion in the nuclear age you know dmitri a lot of people frame russia as a you know moderate or even a small economy they may look at it as an oil and gas superpower but i know that russia has the ability to destroy the united states and has more deployed nuclear warheads in any other nation on earth and i think it's something that's forgotten but another element of power out in the world exists in what nations can do and
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muster in the cyber world and we've had a lot of debate in this country about what russia has done meddling in the elections and i'm just sort of interested in your insights into this new arena. information dissin from ation which which as you've written russia has particular expertise in but in this new world of cyber does this give russia another dimension of power that much of the world is underestimating. let's give fest i would not underestimate the russian economy quot off of death because not in the same way he who is the united states. not the bill clinton said that if you look at the purchasing power of then numbers 6 and 2 of those then number 2 in europe just off the gentlemen here i cannot make clear i would say a very troubled country in minya dispense but this 2 major economy presence no if
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you look at the russian military budget. official feeders than just something going to the range of 7 could be dem voters i don't seem to daniel would you take that seriously if you are in a little up and them so pictures in poems this is a much more meaningful feel good the russian needed to budget isms arrange a 141 continent 50 beat and all of us this a vague 80 c.d.'s number of particular for a country where 'd. the manpower is much cheaper than in the united states where they don't spend same money all on pensions for the veterans in the united states in terms of siva difficult for me to judge him not to be an expert in that bit and refuse show him the kremlin is zim said doing good or well that jam on the world leader is in that bed of course it is and i'll bet on
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a different being in that mania of the mistrust and then a scientist i am a great king and you can find them in this you too can but it and can do for him. and sama seem to fix sent at close to muffle it to stuff ice to say whoa way again i don't know. how to compare them with the united states as you can see that a bit because i didn't but they do have capabilities which can be of any meaningful it is the. she has made it confront patients and they're doing things that they knew would you want to experiment in that area but you can do because you never know when cyber warfare going to lead to an actual wolf and when we did to confront patients do you think sort of i'm on the strategic class in washington that nuclear weapons and their prevalence have become kind of you know but knol that people don't think about them anymore because i am interested in how little folks think about the nuclear possibilities in
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a negative encounter with russia. i think you're absolutely right it's stuff that i think any big things obama administration when president obama could not believe the danube would be in his right mind would sink a boat you can nuclear weapons in a new kind of confrontation well of course there are limited to go up there and. says when it clear that if mother is in danger even of weapons and look at who has nuclear weapons is it would concede to you can you clinton and what you've said what a graph it could if we could we should they shouldn't when there are isn't danger or when there are may be destroyed well of course once the world was open russia maybe have to do it to us do well to didn't even exist he said it obviously the same is that a customer can do what they think and no amount of throws them to flip can.
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heal up roach i also have to say that. he has a somewhat important better on in terms of what we do when you can who will he of course was a ball enough to the wall but. his prevalence of the incident because of work no other than time with a little cold lending going to the bloke 8. emitted people died and living that and lungs it was young brother so i. hope we can pursue bill adair for a major wall this is a current affair how it. was his approach to major confront be sure to leave the united states is in my view. but does it look to people it will younger. in your view experience in the world would do much more quickly as a human so said just you all kinds of we did it it did asians against what was
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a beauty if they made a computer gemini write what you mean is not a correct work in is that our nation that is but he's a pro much former intelligence officer he is not like you know a couple that in general who are too much forward no matter what but it's such people in there are. a much more what i would say a sedative less corpus of approach. than we did that elation for the united states let me just ask you finally dimitri president biden has made an offer to president putin to meet him sometime this summer for a one on one personal summit i've read in russia in the russian press that they don't want a repeat of hell sinking in 2018 they don't want a do nothing summit that ends up looking like a clown show basically they want something serious if you were helped to identify
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the most important elements of an agenda that these 2 leaders would find worth their equity sit home what would those be what would you put on the table to advise president biden as a way of saying here is a way to make this more serious than not in terms of bringing vladimir putin into a consequential dialogue. well climate change is wanted in iraq and the next stage level of income and i see nuclear proliferation including you hope is the case of north korea again there is considerable agreement and that i would say crisis management strategic stability were actually i think. one of the best efforts of cooperation between 0 net and states and thereafter is that innovation should be doing to me to that is there was to disagree there was to concede a right wolf but they do no call it to work together and to manage to do. beyond
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that with a one great deal i didn't like him and this is ukraine. states but he's going to undermine because of the hope that ukraine as. a defunct their ally and look at the sheepish and between russia you and ukraine as black and white was in the united states accepting that ukraine is a victim of aggression russia and the rest and they basically adopted to you. is that ukraine if you wish is the biggest i'm against for the russian aggression in the order for the russian ukrainian exist and show be sure they do believe that dual was immediate that it wouldn't in ukraine beckon to sell isn't 14 they don't need to it could happen to his considerable assistance from the united states
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and only after that there are going to go of crimea and support into separatists it's very difficult to have any agreement on ukraine if news aside is willing to compromise and understand of this huge dish and is a role that can play well dimitri simes president c.e.o. of the center for the national interest i really appreciate your candid bots thank you for joining us today thank you very much so what's the bottom line everything that washington doesn't like about russia is exactly what makes putin more popular invading ukraine and annex crimea well that's super popular in russia doing away with term limits and basically keeping putin as president for life or at least the next 15 years. that's super popular in russia even trying to kill his critical lexan of only throwing him in jail half of russians say it's his own fault for criticizing putin and don't forget all opinion polls in russia say that folks there see the united states as their number one enemy so putin stays popular as long as
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he finds new ways to poke america whether by hacking or by social media campaigns to mess with american society what incentive does he have to play nice with biden so let's keep it real as my guest today would have it america is going to have to figure out a way to live in cold peace with moscow warmer than the days of the cold war but not warm and friendly and that's the bottom line. killing the debates you don't see this. on your voice only.
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