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their future in a secular land. in the line to france's 2021 contentious so-called separatism as we look back at the history of muslim immigration to the country into 3 parts. from this episode to our knowledge is here. hi i'm steve clemons and i have a couple of questions have relations between russia and the united states reached real rock bottom can they improve or will things get even worse let's get to the bottom line. u.s. president joe biden openly says he believes his russian counterpart president vladimir putin is a soulless killer but biden putin relationship is less of a love fest compared to what donald trump and putin had but that doesn't mean biden and putin won't be working together both sides are now testing each other's red

lines ukraine is one of those contests but so too is cyberspace after washington determined that the russian government was behind a huge hacking of its agencies that started in 2019 known as the solar winds hack the bite into ministration sanctioned dozens of organizations and individuals in russia and kicked out 10 russian diplomats russia responded by telling the u.s. ambassador in moscow this probably a good idea for him to take a vacation in america for a while tip for tat knuckle rapping aside biden has invited putin to a face to face personal summit meeting in a 3rd country sometime this summer to reset relations but in the era of biden and the ongoing story of lattimer putin what kind of cooperation or competition is normal for these 2 countries today we're talking with someone who's been one of the keenest observers of russia u.s. relations for decades dimitri simes is an author and professor on soviet and russian studies and an expert in geo strategic affairs he's met with putin and he said vised american presidents on relations with each other and he's the president

and c.e.o. of the center for the national interest and publisher of the foreign policy focus journal the national interest dimitri simes it's great to have you on the show today let me just ask you as we have now moved into an inflection point politically at least in the united states and as both countries are sort of trying to figure out how to manage their equities their interests i know you have a very realist lens of how to get that right what do you think is most important right now for joe biden to try and accomplish with lattimer putin. i things affairs is most important. to the american ship but if you go into this. new way the good nobody can you who will. be simple in principle motivated you to accomplish because if you are better allies but if you have wall you would go russia. and if you were to put him

in there were to. others that you forget about nuclear weapons well then you're going to dissolve so it's quite a challenge for him to write about them you know one of the things you wrote recently in the national interest is the united states had to decide whether it wanted to be a hedge a monic democratic empire that prevented anyone else from basically having a say in the world or whether it had to recognize its constraints live within those and allow other nations to do that where do you think the u.s. is going right now with that calculation. well i thought it was. talking about of the united states not just being the number one but creative being that india. has if you will in the free world is supposed to be a minute that has to do with. this completion with russia isn't the end of logical

struggle it's almost like he's did it because it best itself but if was talking about a go digital struggle. and the imminent victory or was 'd the soviet union as in need of socialism there's no way talking about of the united states being the need to of democracies and again being bowing to succeed but if you look not a pathetic but that what is it in a company think you can see that the united states and russia white's a speech because the future of the. united states and russia or has become different into this and very different venues but there at the same time was nations today allies you could go whoa is not a sensible option the brinksmanship is too dangerous and accordingly it is important to day identify it is

a bit 8 foot no laws it isn't because we need to manage difference is you know one of the things i've been trying to understand dimitri is how russians inside russia look at their leadership look at their choices look at what's happened with ukraine look at what's happening with alexina vonnie and i and i and i think it's fair to say that you know domestic support for vladimir putin's actions in russia is rather high and a lot of us looking are just very surprised by that and i know you've been to russia recently what is your sense of putin's popularity and putin's choices are they rooted in domestic support in russia. wealth has told you this book because could you have declined it because declined it was an option leaving spenders because it declined was it arson difficulty in getting was a pandemic and because of the glider and the ways of ready few foreign publishers successes huge increase in theaters. it's going to decline in combat isn't

always being debated right. let's say in 2014 when there are some super career and did that which is popular idea was 8 years that he could have said well not only are too low but just you know 62 percent. job is leaders cut and you may ask how can we trust. these opinion polls well i will tell you i am courtin the new blood the pope which belongs to the position that arson go home and come see it is a sport i'm going to use ation a foreign agent and i think most russian the position to lead this big you know about 30 bullets a very seriously so what can is sufficiently paul pillar at holme not to be too awarded a bow that mystics the quote in his get into going to the united states and they don't look up to say zip zoom or are is pressure zoom or are is

a lecture the great tip we can support is because the more good your freshens it wins those who are white that means you who is the wall that you would consider the ship they had to look at the people and the dog like you and for him paul was still the most go what to do let's listen to a clip of president biden and some of his early comments on dealing with russia united states is not looking to kick off a cycle of x. and skull ation and conflict with russia we want a stable predictable relationship and russia continues interfere with our democracy i'm prepared to take further actions to respond dimitri do you think that message from president biden is one that is welcomed in moscow and in the kremlin or is it one that is saying we're going to have a rocky relationship how do you think of a or hearing the president night state. us humans you know will host

a bloody good go talk show than most goal which is called the great game. and lust says the game we interview can spread a 2nd fitted me to bespoke who should is also a deputy chief of the presidential administration and that income of us could be a school of a day and a phone conversation of. what would be one thing he thinks he believes is a biden administration should know about production but dish and what would the lower russia duck said as a supplement was president biden was the us president has recently proposed and it was still no response from putin and bischoff said he saw it for a 2nd q. posed and he said well 'd of. president biden said that he is interested in avoiding the skull ation and got a can with the russian way disposable but the sense of brought them ace the 2 and then the blended amused relation makes as statement like bit that is immediately

bought up but we still will desist or often we would force russia to pay a price if they don't full well i meet them guns for almost a standpoint is it is not the way to talk with our fear and the problem is indeed is that. being tough will with russia to create maybe many popularly into the united states that mystically but it doesn't make what you're most flexible quite the contrary you things are great bright or never said that in god before him priska and good helps him that mr could so often we can pretty present by him but being inflexible rhetorical is because being put in that mr clean when you talk about respect and the and the posture that america should take in dealing. with a powerful russia i'm interested in this this because not something is often

discussed do you think if the u.s. were to become more self aware of some of that that you would find a more. workable pliable you know russian participation in trying to solve some of these problems say in ukraine with crimea. well steve being publicly that our show is over this are not a panacea right you always do negotiate from a position of strength if you have strengths and but big it is the us agenda is sufficiently and vicious little bit doctrine on there used to put a huge it was united states would not be strong would be strong economically it would be strong condemned so domestic unity and strong contempt of climate on the lenses and of course their own limited at it having said that if you are good is there room in self-confidence you don't need to put your opponents don't.

demonstrate to them your strengths you demonstrate to them you will force of conviction but then you do member this is a film dignity and they may be but people who may feel the did wrong as exhibited disagreeable but at the same time if we don't know kind of follow up to intimidate them we need to need to sheet to his them and if you negotiate with somebody who can do them down and insulting the did this is a good motivator good sink to do i don't need a billy-o. or a little bit reagan was tough as nails in union was a servant union i've looked a little physical instance when reagan was president had taken sort of it lead to this and it was nope again because he'll a soft on communism but because you want to do what is else there are others and that means do good on spending what are russia's options strategically and it does

it does russia really have an option of embedding itself more closely with china i know it has has troops in an alliance with syria it has troops in libya what are the elements with iran perhaps that he kept giving iran sort of a sideways move in dealing with the u.s. and things that it was party to like the j c p a way one of the elem. it's of the sort of great you know chess board out there it would give russia strategic depth and options that would help maneuver around the united states well the russian up chansons it to god intends to building strong go lenses and look but be goot. again to my interview last week was specific to admit to biscoe and then the rest is that maybe a commission to him and they said that russia could have good relations with a number of football can come to just starting of course with china but i'm sure doesn't seem to cody a little ice who is so low i say expecting better than diplomats as

a sign of stated that it was the united states and was the czech republic not a single country is expanding i made it can all european diplomats to support russia invest is it disability russia and china would become a life if this subjected to strong guy made it compression and then look at a very interesting response. instead of saying well of great friends to his china and his could but asian is only getting stronger every day and going to result in a form only did that elegance instead ms depends quite said. the next states and russia could have a different concept of full lends it into russian case a license is to come people own books companies. contribute to those as you get impressed but it is then not didn't get engaged in you would deals and what

are not looking for foremost you to get range ones was a on the country or not you have to understand that this is. a meaningful statement not because i used to set it up to complete the it but because it didn't get gates. more school does not expect an alliance to east china any time soon the chain hughson that our friends could simulate that even says to get into the next state they want to with local o'flynn to get the but russia does not want to go to war when we get to confront patient always the next state because of china and the same is separate the rule was that cheney and his visit onion former florida means the judge very. recently has shed his perspective on russia and he complained that the exhibit lns old game and that it did not do one too good to promote. agreement nuclear disarmament agreement do we say you should but.

russia does know could have stronger alliances like the united states and building such alliances is not in the cause but i do think that if. 'd the united states a no careful with them could make some kind of talk them put out arrangements between china and russia which would move because like an alliance but you know there was no alliance between hitler and spun but arrangement of this 2 countries mate cubs them to stop well do what doe we have to do but it careful nobody believes this you patient in the nuclear. you know dmitri a lot of people frame russia as a you know moderate or even a small economy they may look at it as an oil and gas superpower but i know that russia has the ability to destroy the united states and has more deployed nuclear warheads in any other nation on earth and i think it's something that's forgotten

but another element of power out in the world exists in what nations can do and muster in the cyber world and we've had a lot of debate in this country about what russia has done meddling in the elections and i'm just sort of interested in your insights into this new arena of information dissin from ation which which as you've written russia has particular expertise in but in this new world of cyber does this give russia another dimension of power that much of the world is underestimating. let's give fest i would not underestimate the russian economy quo of death because not in the same way he who is the united states. not the bill clinton said that if you look at the pictures you can follow then numbers 6 and 2 of those then number 2 in europe just off the gentlemen here i cannot make clear i would say

a very troubled country in minya dispense but this 2 major economic presence no if you look at the russian made it to the budget to. official feeders than just something going to the range of 7 could be dem voters i don't seem to think it would you take that seriously if you are in a look up and dems of pitches in poems this is a much more meaningful feel good there are needed to budget isms arrange a 141 continent 50 beat and all of us this a vague 80 c.d.'s number of particular for a country where. the manpower is much cheaper than in the united states when they don't spend same money all on pensions for the veterans in the united states in terms of siva difficult for me to judge him not to be an expert in that bit if you show him the kremlin is zip dead doing good or well then jam on the world

leader is in that bed of course it is and i'll bet on a different being in that mania over the mistrust and then a scientist i am a great king and you can find them in this you too can bet it in can do for him. and sama seem to fix sent at close to muffle it to stuff ice to say whoa way again i don't know. how to compare them with the united states humans have considered it because i didn't but they do have capabilities which can be of any meaningful it is the. she has made it confront patients and they're doing things that they knew would you want to experiment in that area but you can do because you never know when cyber warfare going to lead to an actual wolf and when we did confront patients do you think sort of i'm on the strategic class in washington that nuclear weapons and their prevalence have become kind of you know but knol that people

don't think about them anymore because i am interested in how little folks think about the nuclear possibilities in it in a negative encounter with russia. i think you're absolutely right it's stuff that i think anybody is obama administration when president obama could not believe the danube would be in his right mind would sink a boat using nuclear weapons in a new kind of confrontation well of course there are limited to go up there and. says about it clear that if mother is in danger it would have been said nope it was a nuclear weapons is it would concede to you can you prove it and what you've said what aggressive could it if we could we should they shouldn't when there are isn't danger or when there are may be destroyed well of course once the world was ok russia maybe have to do it to us do well to didn't even exist he said it obviously

the same is that a customer could do what they think and no amount of throws in terms of privilege can. hold up roach oil fields of to say that. he has a somewhat important but their own in terms of what we do when you can do well here of course with the ball enough to the oil but. his prevalence of the incident because of work no other than time with a little cold lending going to the bloke 8 both emitted people died and let him do that and mum was there was young brother so i. hope we can pursue bill or if i'm a jew all this is a current affair you know it. was his approach to major confrontation was the united states is in my view good of it but does it look if people if it were younger. in your view experience in the world would do much more quietly as

a himself said just you all kinds of we did it it did asians against what was a beauty and if they made a computer gemini right what unity is not a threat what can is that our nation that is but he's a pro much former intelligence officer he is not like you know a couple that in general who wants to much forward no matter what but it's such people in there are. a much more what i would say a sedative less corpus of approach. than we did that elation for the united states let me just ask you finally dimitri president biden has made an offer to president putin to meet him sometime this summer for a one on one personal summit i've read in russia in the russian press that they don't want a repeat of helsinki in 2018 they don't want

a do nothing summit that ends up looking like a clown show basically they want something serious if you were helped to identify the most important elements of an agenda that these 2 leaders would find worth their equity sit home what would those be what would you put on the table to advise president biden as a way of saying here is a way to make this more serious than not in terms of bringing vladimir putin into a consequential dialogue. well climate change is wanted in iraq and the next base level of income and i see nuclear proliferation included you hope is the case of north korea again that is considerable agreement and that i would say crisis management strategic stability where actually i think. one of the best efforts of cooperation between 0 net and states and thereafter is that innovation should be doing to me to that is there was to do disagree there was do

concede to each other i will say but they do no call them to work together and to manage to do them beyond that with a one great dividing line in this it is ukraine who need states but he's going to go by because of the hope that ukraine is. a defunct their ally and look the sheepish and between russia you and ukraine as a black and white was in the united states accepting that ukraine is a victim of aggression russia and the rest and they basically adopted to you. that crane if you wish is the biggest i'm against for the russian aggression in the order for the russian ukrainian exist then show be sure they do believe that dual was immediate that it wouldn't in ukraine beckon to sell isn't 14 they don't

need to it could happen to his considerable assistance from the united states and only after that there are to go of crimea and support into separatists it's very difficult to have any agreement on ukraine if news aside is willing to compromise and understand that this edition is a role that can play well dimitri simes president c.e.o. of the center for the national interest i really appreciate your candid bots thank you for joining us today thank you very much so what's the bottom line everything that washington doesn't like about russia is exactly what makes putin more popular invading ukraine and annex crimea well that's super popular in russia doing away with term limits and basically keeping putin as president for life or at least the next 15 years. that's super popular in russia even trying to kill his critical lexan of only throwing him in jail half of russians say it's his own fault for

criticizing putin and don't forget all opinion polls in russia say that folks there see the united states is their number one enemy so putin stays popular as long as he finds new ways to poke america whether by hacking or by social media campaigns to mess with american society what incentive does he have to play nice with biden so let's keep it real as my guest today would have it america is going to have to figure out a way to live in cold peace with moscow warmer than the days of the cold war but not warm and friendly and that's the bottom line.

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