of the box. it requires an investment yes but employing science to counter the depletion of natural species has already become a necessity so that as darwin once said we don't all perish you see in human al-jazeera peachey coolly cine. stop a quick check of the top stories on al-jazeera the us national security advisor has expressed concern about the violent confrontations between israeli forces and palestinians in occupied east jerusalem an emergency meeting of the un security council is set to take place on monday over the potential evictions of palestinians from the shed gerar neighborhood to make way for illegal israeli settlers are a force that is that damascus good so far things have been relatively reduced the the tactics used by the israelis have largely been firing skunk cannon mortar

which is water laced with foul smelling chemicals and also using fairly liberally using stun grenades as well but we haven't seen at least here around damascus gate the same kind of hand to hand physical scuffling we saw several times on saturday night israeli police forcing people to the ground and beating them and then just sending them on their way in the u.k. people have gathered across london manchester and birmingham to show solidarity with the palestinians calling for sanctions against israel protestors in the iraqi city of kabul are demanding answers after an anti-government activists were shot dead in apparent execution supporters of. the iranian consulate on fire iranian backed fighters are suspected of being behind the shooting. the taliban has announced a 3 day ceasefire in afghanistan during the muslim festival of 8 outfitter this

week it comes just 2 days after the government blamed the group for an attack outside a school which killed more than 50 people marks the end of the muslim fasting month of ramadan and the holiday begins according to the site of the new moon the communities across spain have held impromptu street parties as the as the national code 900 state of emergency ended spain is one of the hardest hit countries in europe and like other e.u. nations it's putting its trust in the ongoing vaccination drive. well rain couldn't stop people in the russian capital moscow from turning out to remember a battlefield victory that changed the course of history it's been 76 years since the soviet union's defeat of nazi germany in world war 2 in addition to fireworks military parades the russian president used the occasion to denounce the rise of neo nazis across europe. so those were the headlines the news continues here on al-jazeera off the inside story statement that's a watching. waving

covies vaccine patents he says u.s. president joe biden's proposal isn't practical it's exporting more doses is a faster way to help developing countries is this politically motivated and what does it mean for the millions of people waiting to get shots. inside story. hello welcome to the program. almost everyone agrees one way to be the pandemic is

to increase global vaccine production but. on how to give more access to poor nations that lack doses the u.s. has supported suspending vaccine intellectual property rights that could allow developing nations to acquire the knowledge needed to produce jobs locally but some european leaders argue a patent waiver would not help boost supply they insist making and sharing vaccines walker. clee is the best way to do that european nations say they have been generous in exporting vaccines to other nations they've called on the u.s. to do its part. default on cover you access from your traditional deal we should work towards the vaccine becoming a global public product what does that mean firstly producing more that's why i'm calling directly on the united states to end the export ban on the vaccines but also on the components of these vaccines which is preventing production the idea is

rejected by pharmaceutical companies who argue a patent wavers could compromise the quality and safety of vaccines it's also been opposed by germany that's home to biotech the firm jointly holding a patent on a modern day technology with pfizer this is why the german chancellor had to say or and you know how much i made it clear that i do not believe that giving away patents is the solution to make fractions available to most people i believe that we need the creativity and the power of innovation of those for and that is why i believe in a patent protection. cause i have been growing for the patent waiver after supplies to poor countries were affected by india's cove in 1000 crisis the country is the world's main vaccine producer has been prior to rising doses for its own people after the devastating so in a factions along with south africa it led

a push for the temporary waiver of the world trade organization last october. they are supported by at least 61 nations why both countries reject the initiative waiving patent rights means that any country that gets the scientific know how could produce doses without having to worry about being sanctioned or find the w.t. decision requires a unanimous vote by all a 164 members for the measure to pass 10 meetings have failed to reach a consensus and to go she expected to take months. let's bring in guests in barcelona jeffrey lazarus had of the health systems research group at barcelona institute for global health in new delhi and i just. is an intellectual property lawyer in robert as the abraham is director

of the medical biotechnology laboratory medical and pharmacy school welcome to the program geoffrey one would think that patent wave was always going to be something people would be. unanimous about why is this divide now i think this is more about politics then proper pandemic control. president biden has had a real p.r. coup showing solidarity around the world by offering to support an temporary waiver in the patent in the patent so we need to remember that went out or any back in october 20 twentieth's that it would not enforce that control and no country has has picked that up so i think you know it's really more about the e.u. and the us battling it out a little bit and it isn't out making a change in the short or medium term because it will take a while to increase production if we can even increase production in the countries that just to take advantage of the waivers rubbish why this is an extraordinary

moment and therefore the need for extraordinary measures and one of the measures are proposed by the americas is the patent waiver from a legal perspective how delicate is this as a task. by the way i want to pick the girls though why i. would use those or back. one of the closer up till our back to. the wallaby line. with the big debate. because maybe there's something to that man back this was in terms of use for the play that is the. rolling coverage a number of number of manufacturers to come up with that. there is a lot of. action back in world of giving back and we've got why that mean altera for the game will be

a little more so out of those actually. being back what need role you would need back and play well i'm a visionary if you get a violent back that i am but out of all that you were in the 5 i'm going to be waving the right ok i just feel that the only defines as long as that of a week before the 'd ladies of the 4 is a lot of great. work and part ok then i would just feel the maracas in favor of waiting until actually over to protection what does it mean for a country like morocco it's very important for morale for for a simple reason actually and i think for ono fricken country is most likely desist for i would point this way because you have greed you have money or being greedy and sort of soap opera but you said something very important national in the beginning you said that if one country were not pulled into

w 2 you this decision that said that would not go through so we can see that's enough going to go through but i think for other countries what is important is just to set the precedent so you in a time of crisis it's a really we have to have some kind. measures like that so we know we don't look to africa are less than one percent of the population gets vaccine i think we have to try says either we accept that or to fight to get some vaccine to africa the way to the west is to say that we cannot obey the rules of the patent and we want the patent waiver and that's what then south africa with in the and other countries that bush actually did this question between the brought in in europe and the rich countries and then in the beginning after i have to remind everybody that they were of course with that that's why them decided by the and so go for the waiver and when you go to europe actually when you look at the countries of course in its did not have the same reasons actually germany is opposing it

because it has 2 companies who are vying and by on tech they are producing and they didn't didn't get their money back on the other hand when you respond to what's macross said he wasn't a reader of course towards but he's saying give us the ingredients because they have the know how to do it so you can see that everybody is trying to get some writing out of it but and this city is here and this is exactly where the lines up get blurred the jeffrey as a deal was talking about the the case of germany now when you when you look when you listen to i'm going to merkel saying that the the patent wavers would dump and the interpreter know little innovation spirit is she generally is acting on that spirit or just trying to protect biotech. it's i think he's trying to protect by an attack because you know the companies develop these vaccines with a lot of public support and i don't see any reason why this would stifle innovation we're talking about

a possible temporary waiver during global crisis in order to help the poorest countries you have to remember that oxford developed and that scene and partnered with astra zeneca pfizer received hundreds of millions of dollars in public support to pharmaceutical companies will always importantly be able to continue to innovate i think this is really a show of solidarity and that i said earlier we've already seen one patent from would happen and not be enforced and nothing is really changed. it's almost like a david versus goliath when poor nations would go to the world trade organization they would say when did it it will save lives but then the goliath with reply back saying about you know what this is not going to be a magic bullet you're it's going to be a long way for you to acquire or the know how infrastructure to be able to make many facts a vaccine so how is it going to work that of the world trade organization do you

think. you know or i'm one of them into a can there i've been going to be a long winded bunch of people mission actually given us more in the. long winded maybe you should and we're going to relax and fuck the fire wall know what ingles about. by having better one of the reasons why it is that the ideas we will be to get we end we shall be able to be the bad bad bad are to be seen how it works all just so you gotta make an announcement is going there still being there maybe getting to know that the black wall which always by the heart of the odd ball when knowledge you know. so what become either trying to say or what got me assigned was say that all 'd you know is with all of the why they don't hang just protected by the lack of water bridges what do you by the ally of ivan i

want a subject that's ready that they're going to be out of i'm giving the book to be generous and they have to them all just the that all right each of them you know to find and the more out of me do you go back to use the technology makes us are going to want to hold a religion and maybe some do maybe go back to the wider community back and you know this is the will of. the longest running back which ok so it's not about the will get what it takes and i'm. going fast as the conscience then because since was thought to show about covalent a year ago the debate has always been about this disconnect between what the health community is aspiring to achieve and what the politicians bow down trying to to to work out and this is why i'm trying to ask you this question what do you think should come 1st not the past and why eva listing all the export restrictions that countries like the ok on the u.s.

have been imposing for quite some time that would allow for more doses to be flown to different countries and made it difficult people to be vaccinated. well we'd like in poor countries actually to have both of them i think it would be great but i think for the short term would love actually to see the u.s. and actually britain given up a lot of horses because i think the situation in their countries is much better and they think they could afford to do that when you see in the u.s. you have 17 millions actually those of us trust in a car that they don't need either and the are not going to use them but they are just piling them i think we should give them up and middle term or long term i think it's very good to set up a precedent say and when there is a crisis and a pandemic everybody there is no place for patent because that when you talk about patents you're talking about money and we have an antecedent of that people forget that in the ninety's we had the same problem with south africa actually decided to

waive or to break down the patent for the drugs against. aids actually 3 if you had to i think it was very important that this question will come back every time but for us i think in countries like morocco we'd love to see both of them happen jeffrey how do you respond to those who are say they are pretty much concerned basically in the us that a patent waiver could end up in transferring some crucial critical sensitive technological information to countries that should not have it particularly china and russia. i'm not concerned about that so madonna isn't in force in the hand as mentioned but importantly you know the countries have already made the high income countries and already purchased the doses that they need some cases many times over could access purchased a large percentage of the deuces they're going to need so i think this is really an issue about allowing the vaccines to be exploited allowing the components to be

exploited and if other countries you know acquire the ability to produce and not emanate accedes i think that that's just a better situation for the world. india itself is a remarkable case the biggest producer of pharmaceutical products suddenly boag done with the covert 19 infections it's desperate for the 1st of all of the lifting of the exports that was imposed by the americans desperate for the patent waiver what it what is it going to make for a country like india do you see a potential for a speedy recovery if the patent waiver is established if. you managed that. it was just one of the entire of 'd the world you want to see the inside of me so we will have subs and we have

we in this regard will be valuable because doing this and it's a been cool job as the government of 2 of those of giving what tools like compulsory life to the government does mean. you're looking at the back fully independent of work as of the you know the nation by events that will have. to be act like. you know the times in the. learn a bit of it comes up it comes to manage batch of the rack and all of that is the team to me and i worked the phones and so i think a little steps that we need to date because we all need to want to. do it in a minute or god result mind you any day of the whole of of you find what we're going to talk about greater than that of the book you will be ok i think the let's be realistic a when we say that the path and wave a is

a good thing in practical terms. to the way that takes place tomorrow how much time would it take a country like morocco to establish the manufacturing capacity the supply the supply chain to be able to deliver the vaccine on time for the people needing the vaccination. wow that's a great question no hash mate thank you went jeffrey said is true because modernizing was in force in the patent right beds and none of the countries the 60 countries that you're not trying to break waiver are actually doing all of manufacture in vaccine i think in the 60 countries that is to kind of countries that is south africa in the end a couple of other countries that they have the know how and the capability of the audit and they are pushing actually because they can do it right now but i think countries like morocco and others it will take time to do with it but i think we want to have this kind of precedent because it's great to have it because if we

have another pundit mic or a play to me at local it be that we could be able actually to use it and to be able actually to manufacture this kind of piece jeffrey sometimes we tend to simplify things for just for the sake of of conveying the message but we're taught which comes to the patent to waver the industry itself is not just about that it's about the the plastic bags the filters the cell culture media the limpid none of particles the micro carriers you're talking about a set of sophisticated highly developed things they have to put together to be able to come to a manufacturer vaccine when it comes to those details how are you going to go around them to be able to say you know what i am willing and i will do it on time for all the people. that's exactly right this is when the president had delivered this is about this is a wake up call to the world that in an emergency during

a pandemic we are unable to produce the number of doses of an axiom that we need to for over a variety of reasons including acquiring all of those necessary components that you just listed out as well as the factories that can finish and fail including the ability to store the m.r.i. in a. very local temperatures in countries that don't have that kind of large scale refrigeration capacity so this is i think this is going to serve as the wake up call to the world that we need to do something about that production companies that have the technology aren't able to produce the doses fast enough and you know we haven't at least heard that there's been. rejections offers for military licensing and the countries are simply not able to produce the vaccines and i'm not sure in the end women will really make the difference of needs to come together it says stop

blocking the export necessary component stop blocking the export of that scene that just an advertisement for new york that said you know comment ters are welcome to get back to that at their favorite sites clearly there are enough available doses in the u.s. this does this need to get india brazil and other countries that need them. why sometimes unfortunately how to play by the voice of a international game but my question is this is it right for any country just because it's which to scoop up all the contracts when it comes to the vaccines when their neighbor just next door of dying because they don't have any access whatsoever to. yeah i think it's just there and you know that this that that you those long just justifying being after all by guns on them just to fight is all and that's all muslims all i get on thing that's defined by a standard that is that a lot of human beings wind of it comes. but you know we've invested so much of.

dying they manage 'd the results and the sound of the moment the more just give it a read and it is a lot of lenore how did you all feel jared who's there with that but that's the maybe the goal of all of that knowledge which they think they have them that it's not that big that looked into being at all made a lot of them and you know which is what we have in the public doesn't buy we were getting would mean that yes we get the news when you can but the result of it always that of faith always means that i don't read of those so for example on the your behalf of and acknowledge ok maybe it was then i would use that that was then you get also this augment advance by many experts who would tell you that you know lots of countries in africa for example where a behind when it comes to the messenger on an i technology and therefore if we

ought to sort of. go for the patent way but there's absolutely no way that would be able to acquire the skills the technology they need to be able to manufacture particularly something similar to the finds and well done of accidents. well i think for the basic technology hashim it's quite simple actually to do this kind of things that even a budget of the greased students could then stand this kind of technology and put them better i think the proof of concept and the upscaling to the manufacturing causation will be difficult for these countries but we should start i think for the pascola with i'm not talking for countries lee in africa right now i think it will be difficult to have a torrent now but i think it's something that's we have to start right now maybe the pandemic will be longer for a simple reason and just talks about it because if we keep up the african countries from getting the vaccine and we saw what's happening in the you know we'll get violence and if we get violent that's really scared the immunity or the worm and

all of this country will be playing catch $22.00 and would come back to square 0 and we get back to another pandemic so i think this countries should the really think twice before limits in access to this our case to the vaccines jeffrey for the time being what would be the earliest to see an additional capacity flowing into the global market if we start with the patent waivers and bear in mind that we're dealing with new. mutations and new variants coming into different parts of the world do you think that 2022 would be the ideal time frame for the capacity to be expanded. well the ideal time frame is right now and i think 2022 is when we realistically see it kicking in and right now you know as was just mentioned there are there are 2 big issues one is the issue of variance of concern that are emerging like the recent declination in the u.k. and in the area and integration of concern and then there's the ongoing human

tragedy i think the world rather than discussing and focusing so much on a patent waiver that will be many many months under negotiation needs are going to how we can scale up on the question why only scale production faster and i just want a less than a minute if you don't mind how do you respond to those who a tell you that the patent wave is not going to work for the simple reason everyone who has cast is concerned this could set a precedent beyond vaccine so they'd rather see it dead now instead of being depicted across different sections of the world's economy. or all of them coming in cash and a lot of people off of the baton. at the polling the government and the army or it wasn't part of the big. question that there are you know you. think. oh i need here in the mail definitely or

certainly the bad news the lack. of the buttoned up in the head and the what's. well jeff a lot. of writing me a redefinition at your insight i thank you very much indeed for your contributions to the program and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. for further discussion goes our facebook page that's facebook dot. a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation. on the entire team here in doha by 4 know.

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