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a woman president it would be great we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on al-jazeera. waving covies vaccine patterns he says u.s. president joe biden's proposal isn't practical it argues exporting more doses is a faster way to help developing countries is this politically motivated and what does it mean for the millions of people waiting to get their shots this is inside story. a welcome to the program. almost everyone agrees one way to be the pandemic is to increase global vaccine production but we're leaders defer on how to give more access to poor nations that lack doses the u.s.

has supported suspending vaccine intellectual property rights that could allow developing nations to acquire the knowledge needed to produce jobs locally but some european leaders argue a patent waiver would not help boost supply they insist making and sharing vaccines war quickly is the best way to do that european nations say they have been generous in exporting vaccines to other nations and they've called on the u.s. to do its part. we should work towards the vaccine becoming a global public product what does that mean firstly producing more that's why i'm calling directly on the united states to end the export ban on the vaccines but also on the components of these vaccines which is preventing production. the idea is rejected by pharmaceutical companies who argue a patent wavers could compromise the quality and safety of vaccines it's also been

opposed by germany that's home to biotech the firm jointly holding a patent on a modern day technology with pfizer this is why the german chancellor had to say or and we're not i'm not good i made it clear that i do not believe that giving away patents is the solution to make fractions available to more people i believe that we need the creativity and the power of innovation of those for and that is why i believe in a patent protection. because have been growing for the patent waiver after supplies to poor countries were affected by india's cove in 1000 quizes the country is the world's main vaccine producer has been prior to rising doses for its own people after the devastating surge in affections along with south africa it led a push for the temporary waiver the world trade organization last october there are supported by at least $61.00 nations why both countries reject the initiative

waiving patent rights means that any country that gets the scientific know how could produce doses without having to worry about being sanctioned or find the w.t. decision requires a unanimous vote by all a 164 members for the measure to pass 10 meetings have failed to reach a consensus and to go she says are expected to take months. let's bring in our guests in barcelona. jeffrey lazarus had of the health systems research group at bustard honest a tooth for global health in new delhi and i just watch. is an intellectual property lawyer in robot as the abraham is director of the medical biotechnology laboratory medical and pharmacy school welcome to the program geoffrey one would think that patent wave was always going to be something people would be unanimous

about why is this divide now i think this is more about politics than proper pandemic control. president biden has had a real p.r. coup showing solidarity around the world by offering to support it temporary waiver in the patent in the pants and we need to remember that madonna already back in october 2020 said that it would not enforce and control and no country has as big that so i think you know it's really more about the e.u. and the u.s. battling it out a little bit and it isn't out making a change in the short or medium term because it will take a while to increase production if we can even increase production in the countries that just to take advantage of the. rubbish why this is an extraordinary moment and therefore the need for extraordinary measures and one of the measures are proposed by the americas is the patent waiver from

a legal perspective how delicate is this as a task. maybe by the way i want to pick the girls though why. with you or back. one of the other our back to. the well if you lie about me with a big debate. because the big thing was that i meant by this was this and use that . like that as a. woman coverage a number of the number of manufacturers to come up with 2 that. there is a lot of. action back in the world of giving back and we got by that mean altera those. that make a living in the world so. those are actually. being back what need role you would need back and. visionary if you get

a violent back that i am but out of all that you were in the fire i'm going to be waving the right ok i just feel that the only defines as long as that of a person of the 'd ways of the like regular army wasn't part ok then i would assume the moral is in favor of waving intellectual property protection what does it mean for a country like morocco it's very important for morale or for a simple reason actually and i think for ono fricken country is most likely desist for i would call it this way because you have agreed you have money or being greedy and for a soap opera but you said something very important national in the beginning you said that if one country were not pulling the docu to this decision not since it would not go through so we can see that's not going to go through but i think for a lot of countries what is important is just to set the precedent so you in

a time of crisis it's a really we have to have some kind. measures like that so we know we don't look to africa are less than one percent of the population gets vaccine i think we have to try says either we accept that or to fight to get some vaccine to africa the way to the west is to say that we cannot obey the rules of the patent and we want the patent waiver and that's what did south africa with in the and other countries that bush actually did this question between the brought in in europe and the rich countries and then in the beginning after i have to remind everybody that they were of course with that that's why them decided by the and so go for the waiver and when you go to europe actually when you look at the countries of course and it's did not have the same reasons actually germany is opposing it's because it has 2 companies could have ak and i want tech they are producing and they didn't didn't get their money back on the other hand when you were listening

to what's mcgraw said he wasn't a reader of course thoughts but he's saying give us the ingredients because they have the know how to do it so you can see that everybody is trying to get some writing out of it but and they said it is here and this is exactly where the lines up gets blurred the jeffrey as a deal was talking about the the case of germany now when you when you lose when you listen to i'm going to merkel saying that the the patent wavers would dump and the interpreter know little innovation spirit is she generally is acting on that spirit or just trying to protect biotech. it i think he's trying to protect by an attack because you know the companies develop these vaccines with a lot of public support and i don't see any reason why this would stifle innovation we're talking about a possible temporary waiver during global crisis in order to help the poorest countries you have to remember that oxford developed and that scene and partnered

with astra zeneca pfizer received hundreds of millions of dollars in public support so pharmaceutical companies will always importantly be able to continue to innovate i think this is really a show of solidarity and that i said earlier we've already seen one patent from whatever not being enforced and nothing is really changed. it's almost like a david versus goliath when poor nations would go to the world trade organization they would say when did it it will save lives but then the goliath with reply back saying that you know what this is not going to be a magic bullet you're it's going to be a long way for you to acquire or the know how infrastructure to be able to manufactor a vaccine so how is it going to work out that of the world trade organization do you think. you know or i one of them into a can there i've been going to be a long winded bunch of missions actually given you were more worried

that the long winded maybe nation and we're going to relax and fuck you firearm all know what ingles about. by being better one of the wise than the ideas we will be community and we shall be able to be the bad bad bad are to be seen how it works all goes just so you gotta make an announcement is wrong they're still being there maybe getting good are the last will which always buy these are the odds well my knowledge you know. so what become either trying to say or what got me a friend was a now all 'd you know and with all of the why they don't hang just protected by the lack of water bridge the divide the ally of eyes and i want a subject that's ready that they're going to be out of i'm giving the book to be generous and they have to them all just the that already to the mind and the more

out of me do you go back to your use of technology makes us our god you want it all a religion and maybe some do maybe for back the wider community backing you know this is the will of. the longest running back which ok so i don't get what it takes and i'm. going to dances well maybe conscious then because since was thought to show about covalent a year ago the debate has always been about this disconnect between what the health community is aspiring to achieve and what the politicians bow down trying to to to work out and this is why i'm trying to ask you this question what do you think should come 1st not the past and why eva or lifting of exporter restrictions that countries like the ok on the u.s. have been imposing for quite some time that would allow for more doses to be flown to different countries immediately for people to be vaccinated. well we'd like in

poor countries actually to help both of them i think it would be great but i think for the short term would love actually to see the u.s. and actually britain given up a lot of horses because i think the situation in their countries is much better and they think they could afford to do that when you see in the u.s. you have 17 millions actually those of us trust an account that they don't need either and they are not going to use them but they are just piling them i think we should give them up and middle term or long term i think it's very good to set up a precedent say and when there is a crisis and a pandemic everybody there is no place for patent because that when you talk about patents you're talking about money and we have an antecedent of that people forget that in the ninety's we had the same problem with south africa actually decided to waive or to break down the patent for the drugs against. aids actually 3 if you had i think it was very important that this question will

come back every time but for us i think countries like morocco would love to see both of them happen jeffrey how do you respond to those who are say the pretty much concern basically in the us that a patent waiver could end up in transferring some crucial critical sensitive technological information to countries that should not have it particularly china and russia. i'm not concerned about that so madonna isn't in force in the hand as mentioned but importantly you know the countries have already made the high income countries and already purchased the doses that they need some cases many times over could access purchased a large percentage of the deuces they're going to need so i think this is really an issue about allowing the vaccines to be exploited allowing the components to be exploited and if other countries you know acquire the ability to produce and

not emanate accedes i think that that's just a better situation for the world. india itself is a remarkable case the biggest producer of pharmaceutical products suddenly boag done with the covert 19 infections it's desperate for the 1st of all of the lifting of the exports that was imposed by the americas desperate for the patent waiver what it what is it going to make for a country like india do you see a potential for a speedy recovery if the patent waiver is established. by which we were is managed the election you really has a lot more than just one of the entire of the world and you just want to see the inside of the soul of man we love the subs and we have we in the supreme court will be able to cause hearing and something cool just being the as the government of 2

of those as giving you what tools like i'm supposed to be like so the government don't mean to. be looking at the back fully independent of what happens as a double digit lead nation by them they don't have. to be act like that but maybe when you get to the times in the. learn a bit of it comes up it comes to manage batch of the last all but beyond that of the team and i work the phones and so i think the little steps that we need to date because we all need to want to. do it in a minute or the god result mind any day of the was the reply and what we're going to talk about greater than that of the book you will be ok i think the let's be realistic a when we say that the path and wave a is a good thing in practical terms. to the way that takes place tomorrow how much time would it take a country like morocco to establish the manufacturing capacity the supply the

supply chain to be able to deliver the vaccine on time for the people needing the vaccination. wow that's a great question no hashmi thank you went jeffrey said is true because modernizing was in force in the patent right beds and none of the countries the 60 countries that you're not trying to break waiver are actually doing all of manufacture in vaccine i think in this 60 countries there is still kind of countries there is south africa in the end a couple of other countries that they have the know how and the capability of doing it and they are pushing actually because they can do it right now but i think countries like morocco and others it will take time to do it but i think we want to have this kind of precedent because it's great to have it because if we have another bundy mic or a play to me in iraq will it be that we will be able actually to use it and to be

able actually to manufacture this kind of piece jeffrey sometimes we tend to simplify things for just for the sake of of conveying the message but we're taught which comes to the patent to waver the industry itself is not just about that it's about the the plastic bags the filters the cell culture media the limpid none of particles the micro carriers you're talking about a set of sophisticated highly developed things they have to put together to be able to come to a manufacturer vaccine when it comes to those details how are you going to go around them to be able to say you know what i am willing and i will do it on time for all the people. that's exactly right this is when the president had delivered this is about this is a wake up call to the well that in an emergency during a pandemic we are unable to produce the number of doses of an axiom that we need to for over a variety of reasons including acquiring all of those necessary components that you

just listed out as well as the factories that can finish and fail including the ability to store the m.r.i. in a. very local temperatures in countries that don't have that kind of large scale refrigeration capacity so this is i think this is going to serve as the wake up call to the world that we need to do something about that production companies that have the technology will to produce the doses fast enough and you know we haven't at least heard that there's been. rejections offers for for military licensing and the countries are simply not able to produce the vaccines i'm not sure that the waiver will really make a difference it needs to come together it says stop blocking the export and this is a component stop blocking the export of that scene that just an advertisement for new york that said you know common ters are welcome to get back to that at their

favorite sites clearly there are enough available doses in the u.s. this does this need to get india brazil and other countries that need them. why sometimes unfortunately how to play by the boards of a international game but my question is this is it right for any country just because it's which to scoop up all the contracts when it comes to the vaccines when their neighbor just next door dying because they don't have any access whatsoever to. yeah i think it's just there and you know that this that that you know those long dust justifying the actual bottoms of them just to find a soul and actual knowledge of god and get on the dusty my way of sandals that is that the human. mind of the comes. that you know we've invested so much of. dying they manage the results and that of the technology more just to give it

a read and it is a lot of them nor how it. will carry over that but that's the maybe the goal of all of that knowledge which they've been they have them that it's not that big that looked into being at all they did a lot of damage you know which is what we have in the problems of the last we were getting would mean that yes we get the news when you can but. it always that are they always mean but i don't read of those so for example on the your behalf of the technology ok was there when use that there was didn't you get also this augment advance by many experts who would tell you that you know lots of countries in africa for example where a behind when it comes to the messenger on an i technology and therefore if we ought to sort of. go for the patent way but there's absolutely no way that would be able to acquire the skills the technology they need to be able to manufacture

particularly something similar to the finds and well done of accidents. well i think for the basic technology hashim it's quite simple actually to do this kind of things even a bunch of the greased students could then stand this kind of technology and put them better think the proof of concept and upscaling into the manufacturing causation will be difficult for these countries but we should start i think for the pascola with i'm not talking for countries lee in africa right now i think it will be difficult to have a torrent now but i think it's something that's we have to start right now maybe the pandemic will be longer for a simple reason and just talks about it because if we keep up out the african countries from getting the vaccine and we saw what's happening in the you know we'll get violence and if we get a virus that will escape the immunity or the worm and all of this country will be playing catch 22 and would come back to square 0 and we get blown back to another pandemic so i think this countries should the really think twice before limits in

access to this our case to the vaccines jeffrey for the time being what would be the earliest to see an additional capacity flowing into the global market if we start with the patent waivers and bear in mind that we're dealing with new. mutations and new variants coming into different parts of the world do you think that 2022 would be the ideal time frame for the capacity to be expanded. well the ideal timeframe is right now and i think 2022 is when we realistically see it kicking in and right now you know as was just mentioned there are there are 2 big issues one is the issue of variance of concern that are emerging like the recent declination in the u.k. and in the area and integration of concern and then there's the ongoing human tragedy i think the world rather than discussing and focusing so much on a patent waiver that will be many many months under negotiation needs are going to

how we can scale up on the question why only scale production faster and i just want a less than a minute if you don't mind how do you respond to those who are tell you that the patent wave is not going to work for the simple reason everyone who has cast is concerned this could set a precedent beyond vaccine so they'd rather see it dead now instead of being depicted across different sections of the world's economy. for all of them coming in cash that a lot of people off of the government. get that at the polling the government and the army or it wasn't but part of the big. question that there are you know you. think that. oh i need here in the mail definitely or certainly the bad news the lack. they want. the baton to be like.

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