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our programs cooking with documentaries and dad who. subscribe to you she would slash al-jazeera english. scotland was for independence given a boost by its parliamentary elections the ruling party says it will make yet another bitter break from the united kingdom but will it succeed this time and what would it need for the future of the union this is the inside story. hello welcome to the program. a parliamentary election victory has emboldened scotland nicola sturgeon to push ahead with
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a referendum on anding its union with the u.k. her scottish national party has won the elections for a 4th consecutive time and combined with pro independence candidates sturgeon has a majority in parliament this means she has the numbers to win a vote in scotland on independence the government says sturges still needs the british parliament approval to hold the vote but prime minister boris johnson opposes the move setting up a potential legal battle if scotland goes ahead with a referendum journal reports there might be change coming down the track from edinburgh to london shaking the time is that of bounds scotland to the united kingdom since the 1700s. in the border regions the scottish national party's electoral reach wanes here specially a vote for scottish independence would have profound consequences basically i think
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that the border and both sides of it is almost as one for people in this area separation is absolutely the last thing that people wants in my experience of talking to people locally and the idea of a hard border is completely unworkable. and i think scotland is so in twined despite the u.k. . separation we just build some absolutely insurmountable problems there are questions about currency and travel but more concerning is trade england accounts for 60 percent of scottish exports the possibility of border controls and trade tariffs could do harm to the economy and there's disquiet on the english side of the border to where the ruins of berrick castle a testament to territory changing hands at least 13 times during the late middle ages the walls of barrack upon tweed were built in the 14th century a great defensive structure for this town on the front line the wars between
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scotland and england for hundreds of years now they'll never be that sort of conflict again of course but what may lie ahead for this border area for these 2 nations are new barriers new defenses are hard border perhaps with deeply uncertain consequences. in the fishing port of i mouth both certified up post breaks it rules limits seafood exports to major european union markets a border with england could make matters worse for some here there's only one solution i'm sure some day i'll come in a friend yes. and i think it should one contained in that order it's wash no when when when will what and directs it because it's because we were able. to export. products no it's just it's just a name people walk and so forth and obviously the 1st thing they call us started it and she is just going to go and dependence when we get back into europe. out of one
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union and back into another recognition perhaps that an independent scotland can't afford to be entirely alone the break up if it happens will be hard felt in this border region jonah hole al-jazeera on the scottish border. scotland's union with the u.k. has existed for more than 300 years and nationalists have long pressed for independence this led to an overwhelming vote in favor of a separate scottish parliament with devolved powers in 1907 there's m.p. one the parliament's 1st majority government into a 1011 paving the way for an independence referendum almost 3 years later 45 percent of the scots voted in favor of leaving of the u.k. while 55 percent voted against it in 2014 the sentiment for independence was fueled again after britons to 1016 brought it referendum the majority of scottish people
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voted against leaving of the european union the u.k. government rejected sturgeon's demand to hold an independence referendum in 2017. let's bring in our guest in edinburgh or nicola mckeown is professor of territorial politics a university of edinburgh and syria fellow at you again changing europe in glasgow . is a scottish green party politician a member of the scottish parliament and also jim gallagher on honoree a professor at university of glasgow and a former civil servant welcome to the program nicola does the outcome of the elections set the 1st minister on a collision course with the government over the issue of the referendum almost certainly yes i don't think it's got its government under nicholas don't you in a rush to press on with. an independence referendum i think there are many things
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to do 1st to prepare the grange far that. it mission the sponsor of the u.k. government has suggested that actually this is good i think of good sense in that now is not the time to be having an independence jeff it ended in the past so we'll come in a couple of years probably and when the scottish parliament with its true independence majority will want to legislate you hold a referendum and it will be for the u.k. government to decide at that point if they want to choose to potentially block it by defining it's the courts for the past for others to look at it ross are we talking here about a political battle or a legal battle about the need for a referendum to take place ultimately that's a choice for the u.k. government elected in scotland or spoken they've elected
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a majority of m s p's from unambiguously pro independence preferential platforms so there's no choice for the u.k. government today except that democratic mandate that we have for a referendum do they want to try and hold the u.k. union together through democratic exercises through consent or are they going to move to position where the only because only called the union together through the force of law if they take that matter option if we believe they can stop us it is not through democratic debate and voting but through the course all are going to do is increase support friend dependence by completely vindicating the argument those of us on the pro independence say to meet all along that scotland can only ever get what it votes for once we are an independent nation jim how do you think his arguments will ultimately prevail that's of a nickel assertion when he says basically that the referendum is the will of the people or what it's done so when he described the move as reckless and irresponsible. i think any and 9 of them will win out right i think the
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interesting question here is what we do with the time when it isn't going to spirit friend and everybody knows there is going to be a referendum sort of for quite some time indeed if ever you get a chance to be in that period to think a bit more about what the full range of choices that people scotland have what the range of possible relationships you to scotland and the rest of the u.k. is all of which from independence to descend to school and there are many choices in between and what each of them eventually especially where independents who meet because nobody knows who they would meet presidents or the currency incident so i think we can see that the u.k. government has more choices to simply say yes or no to nick mr jim nicola you said earlier that is something though that is not likely going to take quite some time
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but what about those on the streets in scotland think it's about time since the momentum is building up to words a 2nd threat random don't you think that they might just feel like that their vote has been hijacked by the political establishment back in london i don't think so i think we're still in the middle of a pandemic and and it seems to be that the majority opinion is on the side that says no deal with that 1st and then when it's the date time and if many people who were offended it's all of course i but for those who do want it i think it is an acceptance that the pendennis to come 1st and then maybe in 23 years of course the closer the further away you get from the election the more that might become a contentious issue but like i said in that make that clear in the campaign that it was cruel that 1st then minutes i knew his rights as he prepares for the ref and.
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ross if this tell me it's contin is and then the green is along with a s. and p. decided to go for the parliament to legislate the vote how is it going to work out the election that we've just had returned a majority of pro independence protests for end m.m.'s pieces very clear that any referendum bell that goes forward in this parliament well be passed there is a majority for both independents and for a referendum because these are 2 separate issues you can and should be able to accept that there can be a referendum on independence without supporting it yourself it's just unfortunate there aren't independents colleagues don't accept that democratic legitimacy so we well at some point and this term apartment pass that legislation parliament will see there should be a referendum the people of scotland should have the opportunity to choose their own future at that point the u.k. government can either accept the democratic mandate that's been delivered by the people of scotland and by their elected parliament and we can do this exactly the
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same way as we don't in 2014 through a negotiated agreement and what's called a section fair to order or they can take it to court and as i said it a moment ago if they decided to go down that route if abandoned the principle of holding the u.k. union together through consent and they've decided that they can only hold it together through the force of law and if that's what they do in the unions that definitely on its last days jim says we're talking about the different interpretations about this whole move for a 2nd referendum what do you make of those who say that this was the 1st referendum was a once in a generational porch ality which means that the scots have to wait for at least 40 is before they will for what it was a 2nd with a random. well who knows a generation knows it was of course he's going to scum and you sent the who said it was a once in a generation of virginity i think the interesting thing about the 24000 referendum
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is how it didn't settle matters. the independents say was too camp to finish or the start of the game and to be fair but were given a bit more white by the brakes an issue that is 20 full team didn't settle it used to see that another referendum set i think we've got to think not only through all range of options under storage of possibilities and ways in which the scottish people can deliver their point and then finally decide upon a future which is going to be stephen for them to finish the king of scotland they don't think they're rushing to referendum in the short run who don't want this and it's not going to happen anyway nicola the unions have been saying basically that sturgeon has to focus more now on targeting tackling covert 19 improving public sector particularly health and education and give it some time before moving towards steptoe which is talking about a 2nd through
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a friend and does it do you think that this masses will resonate among those who are desperate for quite a significant change in the country those who said it's about time to go for a 2nd vote oh i mean yeah you're right in that that's part and what you call us politicians i think that's what is likely sturgeon saying to them i don't think she is under any pressure to go early with this and as jim pointed a earlier there is a lot of work to be done and to qualify part independents we need an example with bricks it was there are difficult issues that brics it has created a great set in my view has definitely strengthened the key is to revisit the issue . sure scottish independence the constitution ship with the european union is fundamentally a pact that prospect but it has also raised new challenges for what independence would mean not least at the border between scotland and that is if
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the united kingdom in the event of independence and we saw in the campaign that the answers to those challenges aren't very good at and so i think for simply government i think they will be wanting to try to come up with something if shearing's is again the new anxieties that might emerge in the context of a campaign ross had the braggs it happened in 2014 things would have dramatically changed now do you think other bets that what could be a no a moment for all the parties particular pro independence activists to gather some sense of a consensus among the scots and those who are very skeptical about the notion of an independent scotland that is about time to reach are to each other and move forward . we are absolutely capable of working together across the constitutional divide on how we rebound after the pandemic and as pointed out we all agree on that no one's
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saying there should be a referendum on independence tomorrow or next month or the month after that our number one priority right now is defeating eradicating the pandemic and then rebuilding from it but we have won a majority and this parliament we want to match it to invest care of parliaments that's and mess 5 year tear hole that referendum no the issues that are directly related to the pandemic you just mentioned health and education it is the scottish government the s.n.p. didn't particularly perform well on even before the pandemic those are areas where the dividing lines in scottish politics are different so i'm from a proven dependence part of the greens the greens and the anti independents labor party agree quite a bit on issues of education and have worked together to defeat the s.n.p. scottish government on that we'll continue doing that these are separate issues but for those of us who have a vision for scotland rebuilding course pandemic is being fundamentally better than what we had prepared to make the only way we can get it can recovery that we want
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is by having all the relevant powers here in scotland became a feeder a greener country i want to live and post pandemic just isn't going to happen with boris johnson's u.k. government holding the major economic weavers of power. jim in a year or 2 years from now if it boils down to going to a referendum against the backdrop of the limited legal powers of the scottish parliament of the scotland act of 1998 we're likely to go to the supreme court to decide on this particular issue. i don't think that would be particularly helpful is to keep clear of the supreme court decide if they were asked there's no real incentive the legal position to show you what would be helpful is if the scottish government were prepared to probably stay don't legal view in this critically wounding repeat and find us in the u.k. government publish it sneaking views well be no doubt really the scottish
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national party is quite interesting that made a promise in the referendum in the invasion campaign to do something they don't have the legal to do and what they're doing is using that as a lever over boris johnson to say as we've heard rossi that he must or you must defer to the to the result was going to so actually actually doesn't force johnson to do it and is trying to sue the u.k. he's got a responsibility to the who you keep also the people scotland to find a way forward because we can go on like this partly split down the middle and a 3rd of the population are deeply deeply committed to independence a 3rd of deeply against it and a group in the middle would actually for the most part when it comes to go on with doing what all those other things whether it's to the pandemic improving education improving the n.h.s. and so on and so we should something we can unite on scotland will be in
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a position nicola i mean aside from those legal considerations you have 55 percent of the people scotland who decided voted to remain in the e.u. and these people see that their saw use their voice has been hijacked by the political elite in the in london. do you see a sense in their rational that the call for a 2nd referendum is a call for them to take their own destiny into their own hands. i think that's a really interesting question so i mean i think bret's it changed things in terms of the referendum and you're right 62 percent in scotland want it in favor of the you kiran meaning within the european union and that ultimately didn't matter any u.k. wades decision but i think it's part me and the frustration of mind the leadership of the european union but it's also partly tapping into what i think your question
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is getting at is that idea of scotland's voice within the united kingdom and there have been some developments since the end that in particular the polish johnson's administration seems intent to compete with a difficult governments rather than work in partnership with them and potentially undermine the us i want to have a devolved institutions that if he goes time passed and tries to bypass the devolved governments and work directly to look when it is then i think and he is potentially biscayne and some of the value rather than embracing devolution as a value of the union and his detention i think i think some new risks and on big unions say this will ross do you think that the support for the independents will continue in the upcoming years waiting for this legal
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debate to be settled. absolutely we've seen a clear trajectory it's stabilized recently but we've seen a career trajectory since 2014 a really since 26000 in the bronx it will gradual increase in support friend attendance that then increased quite dramatically during the pandemic that's only going to increase further because the current u.k. government's vision for this country for how to rebuild after the pandemic is fundamentally different from the one that most people in scotland voted for and that was just raised the issue of devolution itself that's our scottish parliament which was established after a referendum in the late 1990 s. the current u.k. conservative government are directly attacking our parliament and the principles of devolution they've given themselves enumerate a veto over any decisions that we make they are reserving the right to spend money and to take it initiatives that are within our responsibilities nadya's like
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transport and education f. people in scotland see a u.k. government that is well known to not just deliberately go right into the parliament that they have just elected but to directly undermine that parliament it simply proves again the case that those of us in the pro independence camp have always made that you can't governments well not act in the best interest of the people of scotland they will act in their own best interests and the only way that we can get the government that we actually need here in scotland is through independence there's nothing in the current you keep governments behavior that makes me think they're going to change course from the aggressively anted evolution course they've been on over the last couple of years tim by inviting the leaders of scotland wales and the island to join joined him to the u.k. wind recovery summit is boris johnson trying to in a way or another to contain what he clearly sees as a growing sentiment pushing for what could be an uncharted territory for the u.k.
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. well that invitation is the 1st thing that what assistance has done right quite some time and no go process exaggerated. that is a fair point in which he says and that says that if the u.k. government thinks this is a competition between britishness and scottishness it is spending to lose in scotland and because that's what national snake this country's nationalists and gross's is none of them think it's less competition of the scottish and british snus. most people in scotland want a bit of both they're mostly people who are scottish but also have an element seriousness and that event today under thing a huge key government does a sensible you cover u.k. government does is try to build on the track to frame the space for people to cooperate and see that both the governments which work for scotland can work
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together in scotland centrist so to give you a concrete example of the one which worked well and that's because the delivery of vaccines it was you can't want you to risk a perch at oxford university and you kate production and sourcing combined scrushy stove every which has made the u.k. a world leader and getting covered back see into the arms of people who need it that's usually the corporation can work if you ask people in scotland what do they want of that governments more than 70 percent of them see what they want is more cool. and we need a mechanism for that not constant standoff over the course. whose research on it in the supreme court i have less than a man as how this got to my question for both nicola and ross do you think that there will be a 2nd thread for and i'm very free place. nicholas i do
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yes i do because i don't see how you get your stable settlement ok with my visits in that question ross yes the robie 2nd referendum and best time of parliament because that's exactly what we're up to if you're in scotland just voted for and we are a democracy after all thank you very much indeed nicola mckeown and jim gallagher and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our web site c.n.n. dot com for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com for was last a.j. it's a story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is inside story from the hash and the entire team here in doha i cannot. drink
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