certainly military because as it is used our military is punitive and monitored and in many ways there's an expression of an unbridled occupation that has existed with impunity for all these years that has never been held accountable since it was created 72 years ago since the other occupation if people use a girl as a has acted with impunity as doug it is the palestinians as they get it up your nation under its control and outside but this is not new this escalation is new it has been emboldened of course like the tramp administration exclusion it has been emboldened by biden administration's lack of action and the that the sense of the europeans and its lid on government so now the question was who knew i now is there and to give jerusalem to kick out palestinians do target that only has a slam excite here and them and middle of ramadan and to get away with it now they

were want him as one of them everybody else wanted and you are classing not just that lines you act are blocking you at provoking them and stimulus beyond your acceptable king arabs and muslims and christians everywhere just stop it not only didn't they stop the escalate. as you can see and as ready as strike targets another high rise building in gaza the 14 story i'll shut up tower was destroyed. 2 hours ago now. half an hour before that is ready chance partially bombed the building as a warning for people to evacuate in response hamas has fired rockets back into israel one of those landing in starts where we had that a 6 year old boy has been killed the news continues here on to syrup of the inside story next.

2 letters and many warnings a group of former and current military soldiers accuse the french president of giving in too much to islam as they claim the country's survival is at risk a political maneuver or does it reflect a real malays of french society this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program i'm how much civil war is brewing in france that's the warning from a number of french soldiers to president emanuel mccrone for the 2nd time they

accuse the president of granting what they called concessions to islamism the open letter was posted on a far right website. and echoed a similar text published last month by a group of retired generals but this time it was open to the public on the web site says it received tens of thousands of signatories at least $800.00 soldiers involved in april's letter face sanctions before a military court both letters were condemned by the french government but welcomed by far right leader marine le pen who is seen as micron's main rival in next year's presidential election. in parts of the letter addressed to president micron and his cabinet soldier said we're not talking about extending your mandate or conquering others we're talking about the survival of our country the survival of your country they describe themselves as part of a younger generation of soldiers who quote have offered up their lives to destroy the islamism that you have made concessions to on our soil they went on if a civil war breaks out the military will maintain order on its own soil the french

government reacted to the letter with fury prime minister's own custom told the newspaper that the letter was a political maneuver by the extreme right interior minister money and accused the anonymous signatories of the 2nd letter of lacking courage defense minister of florence part of the dismissed the text as part of a crude political scheme france has seen several attacks in the past year mainly blamed on what the government calls terrorist groups among them was the beheading of a teacher after showing prophet mohammed cartoons to his class the attackers outraged the french who called for the defense of republican values across launched a crackdown on muslim groups following the attack a number of mosques and islamic organizations have been forced to shut down across has also proposed a controversial bill to tackle what he describes as islamist separatism he was condemned by muslims and leaders in several countries critics accuse the president of unfairly targeting muslim groups. i alright let's bring in our guests in paris. chief foreign correspondent at le

figaro in if ron morocco newsarama sorry associate professor of international studies at the university and also in paris yes at a well to human rights activists and head of the committee for justice and liberties welcome to the program yes let me start with you today how significant is this 2nd letter compared to the 1st open letter. lead unfortunately it's really a doubling down on how things are going way to the far right seat in france now the 1st letter was published on 21st of its for 2021 in commemoration of the aborted a coup d'etat against a general in charge of the goal of back in 1961 of us and we have now what the military meddling in civilian affair is a speaking of civil war and the thousands of deaths and we have no people who are in active duty in the military you know doing the same thing with what people have also missed that was a 3rd to call it by

a french 46 union and this time it was calling for the upper occasion of israeli methods of courts and courts and like the checkpoints that you define as to new territories and even to find inspiration from terror to inflict if it pins and personnel in brazil what we see today is a difficult normalization of the far right ritual because we have normalized this are done at the tentative of reality in which listings are the enemy within conspiring to overthrow the french republic nobody speaks of terrorism in terms of what is happening abroad in terms of foreign intervention house consequences here are told and that functionalism is in the overwhelming majority of us just want to be french and want to be left alone and molest point sir when this when people are going to accuse muslims of our so called the radical islam of being the problem just give me one list of organization or listening leader that house cordell for separation from the republic let alone to a spark

a civil war this is the problem today we have white supremacy in the military and we hope the normalization of this rhetoric but the military is this solution and i know from your perspective how is this 2nd open letter different from the 1st one and also do we at this stage know how many active members of the military actually signed the 2nd letter for me. it is you absolutely cannot do overcome by reason with the approach of the generals in april 61 in nigeria there were real troops there were it was a huge charge to go the 1st was written by retired generals 'd who gave there were a little bit i don't know eat about. danger of syrian

war 'd but as you know about this our former chief of stop wrote in the figo or. don't speak he area of their own expertise. this week as citizens so of course you have freedom of expression gives it whatever you like in france but maybe it would have been better if they had not put the rats in front of the name general so little so whatever. so but busy for me it's still beat. as you said english is storm in a deep cup it is not real movement there is no rebellion and so the whole army is only several offices other officers have written to the 1st stop stop there all thing they said in the few go is because you know about this up so 'd i think

the minister of humor not overdo this crisis yes you can take some sanctions because generals have what we call ability should of reserve they cannot see they have to speak with accordance with their minister but it's not that big big. dog 'd make a storm in a teacup yazid i see you reacting quite a bit to what they know is saying there did you want to jump in. i mean i would have loved to be able to minimize and agree with this issue the problem is it's in 3 days now for the government to react so the days of and the 1st to open it up by a retired indeed general or as has been a companion to or there was a 2nd parent assigned but this time by active duty military personnel and we saw no investigation whatsoever and we have not seen a reaction to actually call these people buckle into order and yes of course the

head of chief the chief of stuff that did to react and he did that his job but the problem is before don't take seriously the amounts of threat this represents when the military personnel intervene in civilian life but also when you had a 58 percent of surveyed people in a freshman's i look at agreeing that with the net they're so not i mean i would love to agree with that but when you take a look at the overall atmosphere in france the anti separatism it been a debates we have seen and this or this and i'm listening to rich rick i'm not fear is that we have crossed a another or went up another notch and i know it will be people who keep pushing forward them and this time asking for military intervention unfortunately the government is not up to it and now it's going to be on emanuel mccall and he's a vehicle to bring the army buck and send them back into their recent operation which means that there would require they call it because they're on them and there's our if we can just take a step back for a moment to look at the larger picture here these letters are alleging that

president micron has made concessions to fundamentalist islam what exactly does that mean. it means that he's not getting seriously with what they see as extreme 'd or extremist islamist movements in in france which is not correct. in these 2 letters these are some of the retired military and some of the current military are saying that they went to the front on the give their blood or risked their lives for france but when we see the conflicts in which they were caught contributing in afghanistan in mali we see that there were confront in this so-called. islam and justice islam and i think that this is how the seed work this year a word in which we have us against them and this and deceit that the.

muslim community friends is. no it is the other it's not part of france and the seats as a threat which is absolutely the misleading to how that's community in a trance and once just to its life and let alone so i think that if we want to step back we will see that these people bring a reading or interpretation of the word that is. a confrontational and they bring they don't read only the word but they read also friends called into those lines of confrontation and then oh the sentiments that we're seeing expressed in these letters how much of an impact are they going to have on the upcoming elections. it's true that you have like upsetting

events you know of what happened in france he simply you had this. is to mr x. a dance few years ago. shall you go on in a concert of the 5 plants are and you had recently. a postman killed a lady police and killed by. an islamist and so 'd it's true that you have problems but. 'd i would say that this ok it. is. gross exaggeration of the threats that. front is confront to 2 but yes you have a freedom it was it's very difficult to draw the line between 8 useful

all i would say freedom no expression and happy enough charles de gaulle before the war could express is views that were against the chief of staff of the time and said that the french army was not well prepared and it happened that generals who was true because financially with egypt a german only 100 $48.00 and probably today it would be expelled from the army for writing it gave them the measure of the chief of staff but. under the current crisis or fair we can see that it's an exaggeration and especially we do not need to the army in france to mend deep well or there where police have less of a bad movie and this is totally enough so 'd it's

a little bit in exaggeration and it's true that this generals and it's a little bit a problem they they took without and it was said in an expertise in mali or in afghanistan fun this iteration is not the same of course in france that it's rape vote there are problems in france there to be addressed this problem of violence and of i would say decreasing law and order in france. is not. in the rant of the rights we hold as you now the big is the no i don't know sorry to interrupt you let me let me stop you there i'm going to i'm going to pick up on that thread in just a few moments but let me go to yes or right now yes but i want to ask you specifically about the fact that there analysts in france who have said that of

late president micron has been tacking right word that he's trying to appeal to more right wing voters do you believe that micron is going to be embracing more right wing policies and a more right wing vision of how france should be ruled in the run up to the election. well actually a minor michael has a corner of the sense that he thought that by using the far right or the far right it's a bullet or is that you would somehow get inside of an edge over the rest of the problem is this is brilliant up in his face the 1st on the top and when the dominant chords might have been quote unquote too soft on islam that's the minister of interior or they might have been michael calling her sultan liston's at the 2nd point is that is commemoration of snap when you don't and not going to go to slavery or after we passed a note now 20 years ago to call it a crime against humanity or these are signs of emmanuel mccall will continue well disarray right wing down ward a spy what are the primaries that's or is that not only is it doing

a thought but you also have an overall normalization of the far right rhetoric you as these opus have been citing the us a man who in a cold is a shift to the to the far right thinking he's going to win in the 2nd round i guess but in a pen we also have a person not genetic on d.v.d. a former general in the middle french military positioning instead of us potentially a candidate and he has been making you know i'm feeling some pressure from the bronx for him $100.00 on over there should be reestablished hotly debated area called to save the frogs given their experience of the already reasons to worry so of course the open wasn't over exaggeration yes the problem is that the overall context and a week of government we haven't and is so sure constance is in france mr duck the these op eds will go far beyond the initial intention yes you meant the bosun but afterward you're normalised the idea that far right ideas are for the country and these are is it at all possible to extrapolate from these 2 letters just how much

the writers actually represent opinions that are shared among rank and file members of the armed forces. very difficult to do to do so because well the 2nd letter was not even signed. anonymous signatories of the letter. but this is not something new in the french army. 'd i mean it's the french or the french army or 'd let's remember is 'd. some part of the french army aligned itself with with. the government of the sheen that the french army was also in 1961 resisted the 'd independence of. the guns the goal so this fact of leni due to the extreme right is something that has existed in the french army for some time and these 2 letters are revealed

enough that's what i think that the 2 letters revealed also all of the most amazing in france indeed in with the diversity. 'd 'd 'd and the challenge of inclusion the french model is not 'd far from being a total failure but there has failed in many ways and the rebellions in in 2005 reminded us how the french model. or did not meet the expectations of this new generation of french purely french people and we keep seeing this repeating itself so i think that the letters are not as much and revealing often but is read in the army as they are revealing of. a malaise reading french society. french society that is the does not know a freshly sighted that does not know how to deal with diversity and that does not

know how to deal with to accept this diversity as a richness instead of a challenge that as it has been the front and then our few moments ago you were speaking about the far right in france let me ask you this does this whether or not as you said you believe this is an exaggeration a storm in a teacup but does this in the end benefit the far right in france does it benefit far right leader moving the path. it's too early to say. what is. a demand in france and there was a poll recently that the 1st request from french voters is low on order safety in the street light and. and the private moment was only 2nd and gave me was only 3rd so it's very important to understand that law and order now is a challenge is

a big question in front which is was not so important like 20 or 30 years ago so it's true that either i had the image in my coat in his last year he fenced strong measures to. put back if you lived busy. no other order 'd in france and we had to give you a live terrible example just recently elected in avignon a drug dealer just purely onselen in the street in front of everybody and so. so. they request by the people by the nations not by the i classes of the popular classes this west of morse will security and and maybe of more severe punishment by judges this is true

it's very simple if michael is not able to deliver on that matter which is requested by the french people and we still have a democracy and still people get photo whatever mainstream media just felt that too . if michael does not meet these challenges there is a possibility that the man of the pen is elected president yes. yes or i saw you reacting we are sorry run of the times can i ask you to please keep your answer brief but if you want to jump in. yes definitely a much more akin to many when michael do he cracks down on civil liberties in the rights we the mafia somebody you know what expression freedom of the press permissible to emergency laws unless surveillance now the miracle can to do more than this so what you can say it is a month into it then it can benefit in the short term but in the long term if she has a credibility problem and only time will tell whether a person from outside of the political spectrum made

a rise out of calls did or if you mean the closeness of the election to be about him i guess might have been and in which case he would play the corrida i am hard on a her but a come with the accord ability of how to be a president these are let me ask you this what can emmanuel necron do right now when it comes to these letters we have seen repeatedly that members of the government are quite upset that these letters have emerged. actions to punish some of the officers have been proposed but all in all what can be done and if more action or more punitive action is taken would that backfire on micron and his government. i think i would agree with your the 2nd part of your question absolutely i think that very little can be done because it has been said here previously that there is freedom of speech in the country so people who are 'd

should should be able to express their their month. but under the sense the victimisation. replay in favor of these people is down. 'd and as it was also mentioned the opinion polls show that some of the arguments in these letters of the support of a substantial part of the french population so i think that the money and but call . does not have that the choice of repressing hardly the signal to those who signed those letters just to do his policies but if his policies are to keep siding with the right i think he might be losing to the leaning to the far right i 'd should rather say i think that people might think whoa why are we going to vote for the imitation let's go to the origin and that's the risk for french the mock

received from my point of view and those are very quickly also one last question are there actually any laws in france that forbid members of the military from expressing opinions like this in public and in a more broad way of looking at it what does the military or most members of the military what would they think about the fact that there is now this mixing between the political and the military based on these these statements these letters. the leaders of the army the army our guns in the exposed it's clearly that these letters are against the spirit of the army on the normal length of the hour lunch in the french political spectrum so the leaders of the military are clearly positioned as the gusts let us however this some measures would be taken against those who signed the 1st letter says the 2nd letter was unknowns but i think that there is in politics there is what is legal and there is what is doable but it's

from a political point of view of that is what's cohen to his. assistance we need to take each a consideration at the stage all right we have run other times we're going to have to leave the discussion there thank you so much all of our guests i know here on his arm a sorry and yes and a lot to and thank you too for watching you can see this program again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a.j. inside story from am i am a gentleman the whole team here by for now. now

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