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the sea so the vegetation can absorb fertilizer and pollutants and prevent algae blooms in the baltic so it's one part of the puzzle in preventing dead zones. some hope emerged last month in the indian ocean where a college just found a sea grass meadow the size of switzerland a vital site of carbon capture and supporting thousands of marine species but with evidence of areas like this are receding it may not be enough to mitigate the ever increasing loss of oxygen from the world's oceans a number that stands at 77000000000 tonnes of o 2 in just 17 years old research al-jazeera on the baltic coast of sweden. her again i'm fully back to go with the headlines on al-jazeera israel has continued its bombardment of gaza with more than 150 s. strikes in the past hour at least 154 palestinians including 41 children have been
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killed since monday and nearly a 1000 others are injured meanwhile hamas has fired more rockets towards israel most were intercepted by the iron dome defense system cannot as have died in israel since the conflict escalated earlier on friday israel flattened a building housing international media including al-jazeera and associated press both companies have condemned the attack. from gaza. the last couple of hours. army crowded are the most tense of. all over the guards over the past 3 days of collusion today 'd according to the latest information we have received the israeli jets carried out 150 early strikes all over the gaza strip from saw how to the door
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6 field them a cleave. israel's own bottom end of gaza has sponsored global out christ solidarity rallies have been held across the globe as tens of thousands of people gathered to show support for the palestinian people in iraq demonstrators held a rally in the capital's tahrir square many were shouting slogans want some were seen burning israeli flags they were similar scenes in the u.k. thousands of people in london called on the government to take immediate action to help end the fighting and in the u.s. solidarity protests were held in several cities including the capital washington accusing u.s. government of funding what they call israeli war and torture in palestine there were also launched demonstrations in both new york and boston. those are the headlines on al-jazeera i'll have more news for you after inside story do stay with us it's a very bleak picture for
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a lot of americans out there white supremacy impacts all of our you if you're putting more money into the hands of some workers taking money out of the hands of other workers their own goes to their camp it becomes us versus them this is the deal about constraining your nuclear program the bottom line on the big questions on out is iraq. is a 3rd intifada on the way some are warning of a new palestinian uprising as dozens are killed in israeli airstrikes and mob violence triggers talk of civil war so can this tension be contained this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program i'm hamad jim jhoom the word intifada is often used to describe mass palestinian uprisings against israel 2 such events have
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happened in the past each lasting several years both were fueled by simmering anger at israeli occupation and oppression and right now some see the beginnings of a 3rd one. israel is intensifying airstrikes on gaza killing dozens of palestinians every day the latest victims include children and their mothers in a refugee camp funerals often turn into mass demonstrations armed groups in gaza including hamas are retaliating by firing thousands of rockets into southern israel and in an unprecedented escalation jews and palestinians living side by side are turning on each other in mixed cities across israel mobs attacked homes synagogues and muslim cemeteries israel's president is warning of civil war on top of all this palestinians are marking nakba day to remember when tens of thousands of them were forcibly displaced as israel was created back in 1988 the day but i hear reports
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from the mandala in the occupied west bank. many palestinians have been telling us over the past days that they are protesting because they believe that the next combat is still ongoing it's not just an incident that happened 73 years ago but that all of what happened over most of what's happened in 1948 is still ongoing now when it comes to palestinians lives under occupation the lab grabs there is nobody gets ready sustenance the secular attacks that are intensifying against palestinians the house evictions so you name it so for many palestinians this day not just remind them of what happened 73 years ago but it's it's it's it's good it reminds them that they are still living under these circumstances this is why many protesters are taking to the streets of different cities in the occupied
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west bank the 2 previous palestinian uprisings took place in the late 1980 s. and early 2000 the 1st intifada lasted 4 years and began in the gaza strip in december 1987 it was largely a series of spontaneous protests about 2000 palestinians were killed by israeli forces all more than 200 israelis died a 2nd intifada started in the occupied east jerusalem in september 2000 and quickly spread to the occupied west bank israel launched air strikes and sent tanks into heavily populated palestinian areas armed groups in palestine and launched attacks from occupied territories about 5000 palestinians were killed over 4 years. all right for more on all this i'm joined by our guests in iaffa sally aboud member of the national leadership standing together a jewish arab social movement in london you'll see michael berg associate fellow of middle east and north africa program at chatham house and in dublin yes
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a lot of assistant professor at trinity college dublin and academic member of the center for palestine studies at university of london so i asked a warm welcome to you all sally let me start with you today from your perspective is what we're seeing here the beginnings of a 3rd intifada. i don't think you're going to get an answer from me a yes or no answer i'm going to tell you what feels different this time. but feel different this time. this time i think we have accumulation many many things that are happening. in the past few years we are seeing a tremendous development in the settler movement in easter and you know they are settling in mixed cities such as. such as. a
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eastern jerusalem. exchanges and it is really a very very special case but really you know. they are going 'd into israel. not occupied territories. according to international law and they are actually settling there and. creating many provocations these things are happening and they are you know escalating from time to time and in recent months it really has escalated both in the effort in loads and on that. that's one thing that's happening the 2nd thing is happening is the nation state law the nation state law or what israelis but the nation state law has really shifted the conversation for for palestinians and he threatens it's really has shifted the narrative. of the people or weakens the narrative that that many israeli it just is ready. you know politicians and leaders have tried to
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create which is that you know the narrative of the arab israelis or the fact that we are a democratic country where we enjoy full rights and you know there is no contradiction between a dynasty and a democratic state and that the nation state law really made that very deep break in that narrative which many many many palestinians and israel has really grasped gress gone it has to do with many things that we can go on but we should you know you could ask me about that later of why many palestinians really. but let's not go into that a 3rd thing is the fact that we are saying that there are. very very violent extremists who are affiliated with x. with violent organizations that have been elected to do that address the knesset
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and who are seen as legitimate trip you know representatives of the israeli public and these people are you know such as that entity of and small street sure are. you know. these attacks the jewish attacks that are happening you said it's intercommunal violence it's absolutely nothing to community by and that what we're seeing is outside organized attacks off. of a jewish myth militant settler militants coming and actually attacking palestinian homes there are signing them they're actually marking palestinian homes and going 'd and having organized attacks on houses with the help of the police in many cases it's actually i know it sounds it sounds like it's not real but. there are many cases where the police has actually invaded houses in haste on 2 days ago and settlers came and after the police and actually banned the life the
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place while the police was there and the private home of the sunni and. so that's another thing. that the arab palestinian violence on the other hand is very similar to what we what we've seen in 2000 in october 2000 at least within israel you know we are seeing a lot of 'd. arson we are seeing a lot. and burning you know palestinians are burning their own cars and their own. their own trash cans and you know it's really is and obviously there is you know palestinian citizens of israel who are attacking jewish that if that also is happening however it's really a very different type of violence i wouldn't call it into community by alliance so they let are the difference sure sorry let me stop you there because i do want to get back to that point in a few moments but i want to go to u.s.c. now you say you heard sally there talk about what's different this time from your
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vantage point how does what is happening now compare to the 1st and 2nd intifada. i think even tell us what's happening inside these is probably one of the weapons that can lead police know there was a situation where fights being. jews you know. because the show since you shot in the 2nd mainly beats me. israelis these are the israeli military and security full service and palestinians indo by terror talk this this change just is inside the zone poker and i think this policy should bully all these and it effects look if you believe i think into a civil war i think this should be a wake up call and when you see a lynching when there and understand the cemetery's attack when it went missing it will be set on fire when these name change in the state that's i don't think we've
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seen him in the in the past and this would well i would be everyone and i think sally's ups a little people where there were changes in this society that as big as him being other less than his opponent next lacked all of the alps society you need and the nation state you know is that was definitely a water shit game the feeling among the israelis are that now a listing ends in the way they feel inside it because if the state is that if the law says if the city of the jewish. and everything that the jews will be superior to to the minority then she lives there this supposed to be equal citizen but a lot so what's space left something to prosper to become part of this society and this is one of the things that i think this dissent is a wake up call to boston's what happens if such a situation of all of. this is the endless on the feed and one more thing about the
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police. extreme elements in both sides to possible and specially the rise of the highlights this is well that standard is under no defined themselves and how to go in cool folks but his stance regime is i don't buy into wilson don't you buy yes it is the grievances that fueled both the 1st and 2nd intifada as those grievances are still very much present today are they not. yes absolutely i agree with you i mean that's remember those is a grievance is are nothing new the story palestine is not and you are the story of the palestinians and the new all together the palestinians have been under attack by zionism. so the 1st world war and before that the palestinians also. being engaged in a nationalist are get
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a sense the the better for their collaboration. this is a prime when a president agreed that palestine would be transformed into a national home for jewish people which later became the state of israel and palestinians have been engaged in this nationalist for the 1948 again this is a very the occupation and glowing in the practices. and we can see now that today the the 4 palestinian national groups are in bloating there is an implosion in the region that's what i see and that's what i understand the 4 palestinian groups that i'm talking about or national the groups and communities are the 1st one is in the gaza strip in the gaza strip this to google people has been subjected to a very severe blockade since 2007 which has the bribe them of their basic if you are right and this look it has been controlled by israel by land by sea and by air.
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if you look at the 2nd national the group which is in the west bank. in the west bank it's been the west bank is under israeli full occupation and under the control of israeli supplements and the israeli settlements in the west bank represent 65 percent of the total amount of land in the west bank so 65 percent of the butler of the west bank territory is under israeli direct military control the control of the israeli settlements which are living in the last oh now palestinians in the west bank continue to face discrimination continue to face its israeli checkpoints and also the reality of the wall the wall and the occupation have taken over palestinian areas or is in the west bank including i get a cut or resources of natural resources. this is this has been
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a difficult challenge for well athenians we also have to remember that in the west bank there are more than. $500.00 israeli checkpoints which couple if any of the from each other not israelis from palestinians but really cutting off palestinians from palestinians. that is a goal if we move. to the 3rd group which of the terrorists in your national group which is in jerusalem in which are 7 palestinians have been facing a systematic policy since 1967 on the occupation of youth jerusalem they have been facing that systematic policy of home infliction and demolitions and discrimination in occluding sensorites their rights are not recognized internationally and political rights in their city in jerusalem and in their lands you know their rights are not recognized how is the malaysians have been continuing the 167 it's
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a systematic israeli policy that is supported by these right i'm sorry i am hard interrupt you to the worst we're starting to run out of time and i do want to get back to. about the point in just a couple of moments sally i want to go to you about something else that a lot of people are saying is a bit different this time and that's the role of or the type rather of activism that we're seeing among the younger generation of palestinian protesters from your point of view how different is it i ask that because at the moment we are seeing so many defiant young demonstrators they're constantly posting videos on social media platforms they're posting info graphics to try to break down what's at the root of all of this and it seems to be breaking through to many people around the world in a way that it didn't in the past what do you think about that and how different is it from years past. absolutely i think that. the ability of the stimulus to actually document their experiences at the
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stimulants and actually it creatively amazingly you know with fortune after the world has really affected among other things among many other factors that has affected the global narrative and the global so solidarity and has really weakens you know the narrative of. how you know how legitimate is the is all the tactics. of the israeli governments to actually maintain the occupation and the siege on gaza and what's happening inside of israel as well and. it's i'll tell you another thing with an instrument i think palestinians if palestinian youths has more than ever been active. and not afraid in the sense that you know i remember my grandma my grandma is a palestinian who who experience than a cabal of my grandparents the 4 of them and i don't recall ever them actually
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talking about the narrative in a way that is politicized in a way that is you know let's go and resist and that's that's the experience of you see there was resistance within israel and palestinians within israel always there has always been but there was also you know a sense of fear a sense of one seems to just assimilate and along and they started learning the language my parents' generation they actually started going to universities and started getting a job that are in offices with the with the jewish job colleagues and they actually started being fluent in hebrew so they were even more assimilated within the israeli society and assimilated into the narrative of arab israelis and you know distancing themselves from the palestinian narrative our. generation is very different we are actually more educated than ever we are more assimilated than ever
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we speak fluent hebrew we live in tel aviv and we live in and have been all the places that are very mixed and we are in there is more sense of equality in many areas such as like. you know in the space when you speak the language fluently and when you're educated obviously there is still systematic discrimination but we feel more confidence to actually identify as palestinian actually identify you know it expressed our anger and express where. in our desires of freedom enough for existence and that has affected israeli left that is for any left it has been a very. traditional liberal left that has been standing in solidarity with palestinians in the west bank and gaza without actually acknowledge ink the palestinian narrative that the arab public in the arab society in israel
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and that has been changing you'll see let me ask you this there are many actors around the world stage right now that are calling for deescalation they are calling for a sation of hostilities or a ceasefire and let me ask you 1st you know is there a possibility that we could see a cease fire because we're not hearing a lot of deescalate or language from you know the israelis or the palestinians at the moment but the other thing i want to ask you is even if there is some kind of ceasefire or sation of violence how does that impact the violence that we've seen playing out in these mixed communities it's much harder to contain that going forward is it not. i think it's important dawdle obviously don't obviously things between what happened in gaza and the west bank and inside israel and should mention also if i can half 1000000 by those things that others are just different of the middle east of the linkages at the same time
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each of these issues and its own unique aspects that we need to listen some of them actually salim age so i see style will take place it might take another there you go there you sometime maybe next week prevents was the nomic of the world in which hamas in in gaza but there will be a decision what happens or finance and he's actually shrewd boy 'd all these at least we feel indignant. whatever the impact of what happened in a dozen the west bank these are things that some of this storm is feeling. very sensitive and unless i'm old and known many i'll be israelis is authentic it's part of what happens in is a look this is really what i've been in the midst being enjoy was an all in all in oh in gaza is again it goes today continues discrimination off 20 percent of the population and again that if i had this not necessarily like now between jews and
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arabs between those who believe there can be coexistence conciliation the 2 people can live in peace in the same and respect each other and each citizen had exactly the same lines and also don't think like this and they think it's an international don't know. if this legislation to change it is to respect the rights and the needs of each community because it's not that easily some of the same equal different people in different communities listen to things like president clinton called it one of the types and this lives need to learn how to talk to each other and how to leaf co-exist. with how boring and one creating this kind of long list sentiment and what we seem to state is not just the sentiment is the hateful to one another and this really should. yasser you were talking about the violence earlier let me ask you this is there any chance
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we will see a deescalation in the violence in the near term and secondly is there any international actor who could play an effective mediation role right now. well i was talking about that with causes to be honest with you other than the violence the root causes of where this violence comes from. the clear on the the the for palestinian national groups in israel in the west bank in jerusalem and the media there have been facing a systematic policy of discrimination of apartheid of occupation of lack of national right and this needs to be addressed in a loop in order for us to move forward i mean bit salem the israeli organization human rights organizations are up a sort of you are right. and also human rights watch for them for national level have all said that palestinian the better senior situation in the occupied territories and within israel is getting worse and palestinians are facing
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apartheid so we need to deal with that we need to better to ignite this apartheid the reality no order to move forward and that's what i've been talking about now the 2nd point moving on is about the long term solution which you were born to is related to i believe in terms of conflict resolution but we need a change of policy on the on the flight of the u.s. we need also a change of policy on the side of the e.u. if you look at the you know the e.u. is the largest economic donor to the palestinians the e.u. also has frayed the relations with it and economic relations with israel but the same time the e.u. hasn't been playing any political or effective political role and the reason is and it's the u.s. pressure it's under pressure from the u.s. not to intervene and secondly it's also divided about israel and it's divided about
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what happened and what happened to the jewish people in europe in the past so there's still there is still that sense of historical guest now moving on to the. u.s. the u.s. has always been to itself as a mediator in the israeli palestinian issue but that accord actually and the policy when you look at it it tells you something different i'm not look that this policy of look at this record it tells you that the u.s. isn't a credible media that isn't an honest mediator the us is a lot of the state of israel and israel is a major are also the us israel continues to serve the interests of the u.s. and the region so that the u.s. continues to provide weapons and financial aid and diplomatic as well support to israel of international lebanon you can also look at what happened at the u.n.
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security council and the last 2 days it hasn't been able to meet and discuss the situation in israel palestine or in gaza why is that because of the u.s. pressure it doesn't want to put pressure on it or of stop so what we need is a reporter for mediation to say to succeed we need to acknowledge that what causes and we need also to have a credible international but players who are already to the with that would cause it's all right we have run out of time so we're going to have to leave the conversation and thank you so much to all of our guests sally abbot yossi metalwork and yasser. and thank you for watching you can see this in all of our previous programs again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com after further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a.j. inside story i mean how much enjoyment a whole team here 500. talked
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