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designated and put into place. so this is a challenge we're facing. it's a challenge of both at the local scale of areas undertaking assessments of management effectiveness and conservation outcomes. and it's a challenge at the global scale to aggregate that information together to get an understanding of the global level of progress being made. china us release the 1st images from it's sharon, martha washing rover. they show the craft of that mazda vast utopia, initiate the flap flap plans that touched down on the red planet last weekend. ah, could tell me where the fellow adrian said again, here in the headlines on al jazeera people living in to crowded, gaza residential neighborhoods that they want to leave the homes ahead of his radio strikes. this is the city skyline right now. the area still to evacuate near main roads. so these ready military says it's planning to attack l 0 stuff. what
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alkaloid isn't garza with more one of the most. let's say crowded and populated neighborhoods called alpha tale, which is in the halfway between the city and job. fiji people have received all the had clark or all the people who are living in that neighborhood. we speak about a few thousands of people living in a very crowded houses are close to each other. so they have been received warning to evacuate their homes because they are going to bond bought the main road, which is one of the most essential roads. busy in the gaza strip, because it's simply links the governor city with the north of gover. earlier is ready as strikes, have more targets in the southern garzon city of con eunice. more than $220.00 palestinians had been killed in gaza since the conflict began among them more than 60 children, while both sides publicly, se they'll fight on secret stations is said to be on the way. the white house is
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with us president joe biden put his rails leader benjamin netanyahu on notice during the latest phone call. several of us democrats back to resolution opposing the sale of $735000000.00 of military weapons rates. israel pressure is mounting from within the us presidents own policy, there is administration to do more to end the violence and other is to talk to diplomats from the us. and russia have struck an optimistic tone after the 1st face to face meeting and the blinking. and so gay love spoke on the sidelines of the to council summit in iceland. the u. s. secretary of state repeated warnings against what he called aggressive russian actions, but also talked up the benefits of working together. the russian foreign minister said he agreed others had lives when he is here on al jazeera after the bottom line, which is coming up banks. me.
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ah ah, i am steve clements, i have a question, is the democratic party is traditionally rock solid support for israel slowly eroding. let's get to the bottom line. ah. when president joe biden got to the white house, he had a long list of priorities that he wanted to tackle. and the palestine israel issue was probably competing for last place on that list. but it always does that open wound of the palestinian israeli conflict has a way of forcing itself onto the world's agenda. and now biden is facing calls from within his own party to really address it. the u. s. president finally called for a cease fire after about 10 israelis and $200.00 palestinians were killed, including scores of women and children. but the administration has mostly
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emphasized strong support for israel and issued some mild statements expressing concern about the loss of life on both sides. the bite and white house is also blocked, the un security council resolution criticizing israel for the hostilities. 3 separate times. there's been harsh criticism of israel not only by progressive members of congress and even centrist like foreign relations committee, chairman senator bob minette, as are now demanding that by do more, some american see a change in the dynamic of the palestine. israel issue in the united states, but are things really changing. today we speak the university of michigan history, professor juan cole, who's influential blog on u. s. foreign policy in the middle east, turns 20 years old. next year. it's called informed comment, and it's a must read blog on this crisis. professor called before we begin, i had a chance to ask senator chris murphy about the biden administration stance on the bloodshed in palestine and israel. do we have tools in our tool kit that can help the u. s. b in flu all this time because we seem to have been in this episode again
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and again and again. and the question is, do we have more latitude today after the abraham accords? do we have less latitude? what tools do we have? well, as you know, it's harder for us to influence events in israel or in the palestinian territories because of the lack of leadership on both sides that are interested in dialogue. unfortunately, netanyahu has been rewarded politically for moving further away from the palestinian state. equally, hamas has been rewarded for organizing militant opposition to israel, so we don't have the kind of brokers that we used to have in the region to get to a peaceful future. so well, we still have tools, right? we have leverage important security relationship with israel. important humanitarian relationship in the palestinian territories. we don't have the leadership there that we've had the past. okay, so that was sen, chris murphy, democrat of connecticut, whom i caught up with in congress earlier today. now let's get to our discussion with fessor call one. let me just ask you,
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we've been discussing this for decades. are there elements of this particular crisis that seem different to you? the well, the differences primarily on the american side in the sense that you have had impassioned speeches of while mainly democrats on the left in congress, pretty roundly condemning the net 10 yellow government and israel for its actions in gaza. and not accepting the israeli narrative about these things, which is that this is merely a matter of necessaries. self defense are the issues are being re framed almost like black lives matter in terms of palestinian human rights. there is a change also in the middle east and that we have for the
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1st time in a long time seen solidarity across the green line. so the palestinians are striking today, not only in the west bank and gaza, but in israel proper, where 20 percent of the population is a palestinian heritage. so there is a cross border solidarity in the middle east. there is some solidarity with palestinian right. that doesn't necessarily mean a lack of sympathy for israeli wounded in congress. and this is not something we saw in to 2014, 2012 or earlier. you know, i think a lot of people are looking at, you know, what were the sparks of this was the grenades and the ox um off. was it the, you know, you know, the residents in east jerusalem that had been were being removed and now it's under supreme court review it when we kind of look, is it, is it
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a mahmoud abbas not postponing presidential elections yet again. but when you look at that origin, and you sort of look at joe biden, and i have to say there's love loss between b, b, netanyahu and joe biden. what is your, how would you grade the, by the administration's response so far? because it seemed to me that he really said, you know, as a days before he called for a cease fire, and i'm not really sure yet what the us position is. so there isn't any daylight between the biden administration and the not to know government on the issue of the israelis are taking advantage of the height intentions and the firing of those little rockets from garza to degrade mars military capabilities. and to do so without regard to civilian life in property. and probably although this is difficult to know for sure,
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some of the israeli actions and gods are intended just to make the gaza strip even more uninhabitable, to encourage emigration or from it. but in any case, the barton administration has blocked un security council attempts to call for a cease fire and has given every support is real now, $725000000000.00 in or $1000000.00 in, in through the military aid, right. in the middle of all this, there isn't any daylight between washington and israeli government on this issue. one, i want to play a clip for you of an exchange with net price, the spokesman of the state department. let's listen. i won't ask you, buddy gerson, but the talk about what you said about the principle. so defense does that in any way apply to the past. can you do?
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they have a right to self defense. do palestinians have a right to self defense? i'm in broadly speaking side, we believe in the concept of self defense. we believe it applies to any state. i don't think that, but i certainly wouldn't want my words to be construed as i understand i want to do . i don't want hub on this either, but you know, there's really skill 13 people just now. you know, including maybe 5 or 6 children. you can them that you can condemn the killing of children. said, i'm asking you condemn the killing new children. obviously these reports are just emerging and i understand i was just speaking to the team. i understand we don't have independent confirmation of back on the ground. yes, i'm very hesitant to get into reports that are just emerging. no, i think many people understand the notion of self defense and they understand that there's that, you know, there are issues on all sides of this. but when it gets to the horrific pictures that we have seen, of the death of women of young children score is of them may be more than 100,
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as we, as we said earlier in the show, why is it so difficult for our officials to basically say that to red line. well, because the doctrine of force in self defense pertains to states are, according to the united nations charter. and the palestinians don't have a state of the self defense tense issue as the red herring. in the case, the issue is rights. the palestinians have no rights or stainless. when you don't have a state, you have no court, you have no. you have no structures that guarantee your rights palestinians don't know if they own anything. is really can show up and take away their home. and the only recourse palestinians have at the moment is really court. sometimes you really military wards by which you're on the whole and by and large going to favor is really things. and so they don't know if they actually own their own home. they
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don't know what rights they have. and, and guys, at the moment they don't have a right to have a bookshop that may be blown up at any moment. and so this is the actual issue here is rights. and it's not a matter of self defense. the palestinians can't defend themselves. they're seamless. they don't have means to defend themselves. the world community is always talking about her last as a terrorist organization. and him, us engages in terrorism occasionally. but the fact is that there are a few tens of thousands irregular militia men who, if they actually went out to fight israeli army would all be killed in an afternoon . i'm os has been firing those little rockets at israel. most of them land in the desert or 3rd of them have landed inside garza, some of them have injured palestinians. they're not an actual military force. and
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they've killed so far since i still of these began over a week ago, very tragically, because all life is precious, but they've killed le people then in some mass shooting attacks in the united states by one individual. so this is not a military confrontation. they're not, we're not talking about self defense here we're, we're, we're talking about occupation. we're talking about denial of rights many years ago, professor cole, we were together at a conference and the late now late national security advisor is big. the brzezinski spoke there about a crisis sort of like this, and he said, look, this is like killing hostages, that you know, these people are in the care, they're occupied by israel, and this is like killing hostages. and the, i'm quoting brzezinski, this, these are his views. but when you kind of look at that legacy of time at that moment, palestine always came that came up as
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a strategic fault line between the west and the arab world. that was, it was filled with that much consequence with the abraham accords. now with so many arab states, having normalized with israel, one wonders if there's any strategic relevance in palestine. any more. and whether it's just a moral play at this point. what are your views of that? because i remember you being in the room and brzezinski said that, but that was a moment when, when palestine in its fate seemed a matter more than it does strategically to the various stakeholders in the region today. i would argue that the palestinians have never been strategically important and that's why they're in the position that they are. i've never been important to anyone to settle this issue and make sure that they don't remain stateless. there been lots of statements people, but their state listening has been resolved by the international community because
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it's been recognized as a kind of atrocity tywon who's in japan and 971. when, when japan recognized the one china we're left without you know, diplomatic recognition for a while, but eventually the japanese solve that problem in one way or another. but the palestinians are there are $5000000.00 of them who have been left state less inside the area controlled by israel plus the state was palestinians in lebanon, in syria. and even the palestinians in jordan, who were given citizenship by their citizenship is 2nd class citizenship. and often fragile and 40000 of them had it taken away from them not so long ago. so that's the big issue is that these people are state was and there's no, no, it's instances since egypt made peace with israel, which was a separate piece. and the late 1970 or there's been no
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strategic player. any place that had an interest in protecting the house and one, richard hoss the president council on foreign relations has said that the, that the real instigator of this was president mahmoud abbas, of palestine. who yet again, postponed elections? he's been in office, you know, something like 1112 years past. he's going to his 12 years passed his 4th 4 year term. and that this created the dynamic where mosse wanted to demonstrate its muscle in strength and legitimacy to palestinians. what, what complicity does mahmoud abbas and the palestinian authority have for the conditions we see now? well, no, no. the boss is irrelevant. and, you know, the palestine authority was supposed to have all of palestine by the late ninety's
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and b, b, not 10. yo himself. destroyed that prospect of the peace accords and left the color staying authority was only 40 percent of the west bank and even they're, they're, they're under the thumb of the israeli military occupation. they can't do anything with israel, doesn't want them to do. and then they're basically policing, these people for israel. so ma'am, i mean richard. haas is just wrong to one of us is the situation on the ground. the people in the united states don't, don't actually follow events in the west bank and gaza and they're almost never on the news unless there's some big blow up like this. but if you read the palestinian israeli newspapers about what's been going on in every little town in and dillard's in the west bank, then you see brutalization,
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you can see colonization. you see these militant squatters settlers from israel on palestinian land that they stole from palestinian families of burning down there. all of trees. cutting them down in dating their property, a building on it, taking over their homes. and this is a daily staccato performance of occupation. and in garza, the israelis bomb the airport 20 years ago. and there's no harbor the guys depends heavily on protein for fish, for protein. they're not allowed to fish beyond 3 to 6 miles by the israeli navy. the israelis carefully monitor what material and when building material goes into the gaza strip. oh, so these people are,
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are living in health and it's a tinder that can explode at any time. and so looking for a particular trigger for it is a fools, aaron did not at my boss. i mean, the particular event of the invasion by the israeli government outrageously of the locks the mosque of the attack of worshippers throwing a flash bombs, the setting of fire due to rugs during a holy period of the fasting month of ramadan. sure, that's that set off a lot of problems, but it's not one incident. it's it's, it's everyday life that's creating these, these, these constant tensions and flare ups. and as long as the occupation goes on like this, and as long as israel actively colonizing palestinian land,
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then there's going to be trouble. one in my discussion with not only senator chris murphy, but just casual conversations with other senators i had up to day. i heard from them that what has hit their radar screen with they feel is different that they have noticed about this conflict versus that many other times we've been, you know, around the circle is that area of israelis or rising and protests that there is violence inside between jewish israelis and arab israeli, inside israel, this is a new feature. is this a key element of how this unfold? how does this fit into the puzzle? right, so i called the palestinian israeli on the model of italian american, or the palestinian israelis had been relatively cool. yes. and they're heavily please. and until $966.00, they were actually under internal military rule inside israel. but they,
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you know, a lot of toasting in, in israel live in the villages that are not officially recognized by the israeli government as existing. and they don't have permission to, you know, it's a wall falls down to repair it or to fix their, their, their toilets. and the, it will include party has actually gone in and recognize some of these villages. and given them these permissions to have a decent life in return to which some of the palestinian israeli voted look good even though it campaigns on them being terrorists and threats to the state and so forth. so you know, there had been mechanisms inside israel whereby the palestinian israelis were kept, we have since they are the least educated and the least will last a part of the israeli population. i think their frustrations have to
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do with in part with their attempts to become more part of the israeli fabric, their, their joint list in the we've been so many recent elections but last summer or they manage to get 13 members of parliament of 120 and they should have been a swing vote and all the other parties which are jewish based parties refuse to deal with them, refuse to have them in the cabinet, refused to have any talks with them. and they were sideline. so it would be as though, you know, the african american caucus in the house of representatives were poised into all the other politicians and congress, and you can never have an african american in the cabinet and so forth. so i think
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that nice the relative electoral success of joint was and then it sidelining and then recent election, they didn't bother to come out and vote very much. all of this as added to the trust ration there are local problems that i said they're heavily policed with regard to security. but actually there's a lot of crime in the palestinian israeli areas that we really please don't bother to follow up on. and there have been protests about lack of state provided security in the right agent. so there are, there are a lot of tensions here. and then i think the actual mosque invasion really set them off because the majority of the one i remember back in 2006 instigating an enormous uproar against himself. jimmy carter said that israel was becoming an apartheid state were now many years past that point. and i guess the question is, what are your views on, on, on that framing?
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and is there any solvency any more to a 2 state solution which, which is hardly discussed anymore, occasionally comes up with sort of, you know, the, the, you know, the religious incantation that the 2 state solution must exist. but what are your thoughts on, on the choices that face israel and palestine now? well, there is no plausible to state solution any longer. if you look at a map of where the squatters settlements are from israel over into most di and territory, it's become swiss cheese. the bellows, damian's bided up into can times they're, they can't even get to one another without going through is really checkpoints, there roads. whereas really only, so there's not going to be 2 states. and by the time jimmy carter talked about apartheid in israel, palestine, it had already been a reality for decades. and that's just going to go on. i should on your
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line that apartheid has become a term of art in international law. some people say, well, the situation isn't exactly like in a far south africa. but actually, south africans often say that from their point of view, what's going on seems to well worse than what they experienced in the park in south africa. but the rome statute of the international criminal court defined apartheid as a systematic denial of rights to one ethnic group by another. and that's certainly what's going on in israel palestine. the palestinians are being denied rights that the jews out there on the order of 40000000 people between jordan and the mediterranean. all of them under israeli rule and one way or another. and jews are privileged. and they're just the which, if you were sitting down with president vine or other stakeholders who may matter
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more than president biden, what would be the bank shot that might get us into a different course than we're in today in this, in this tragedy that's unfolding every day as we watch, you know, the new palestine is real, situation is so heartbreaking, and most people just turn away from it. and there's always this hope that there is some magic bullet. there's some solution. there's some set of negotiations that were resolved. there are it, this is, this is as hopeless a diplomatic situation as you could possibly imagine. this is, this is beyond diplomacy. now this is apartheid. and then we'll just go on like this. you and i will be ancient and sitting on a rocking chairs and near desk, and we'll still be talking about it. there is no prospect of us getting better anytime soon. well, it's one of the few times i, i fear you're right. i wish you were wrong. thank you for your sobering comments. juan cole, university of michigan professor of history and founder of the inform comment blog
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on u. s. foreign policy. really appreciate you joining us today. thanks so much, steve. so great to you. so what's the bottom line? the murder of george floyd spark the national conversation in america, the centers on white supremacy and the races legacy of colonialism. so naturally the debate on palestine and israel has shifted slightly in the united states, especially among the younger generation and within the democratic party. notice how new york city candidate for mayor andrew gang had to immediately acknowledge that palestinians actually exist after he took a one sided position on the conflict last week. and notice that some american media and human rights groups are coming out israel for being an apartheid state now. but that doesn't change the harsh reality of us policy toward the region is really interest still reigned supreme in washington. and israel is the regional superpower . and as closely aligned with the united states. now that israel has normalize relations with the u. e with bahrain, sudan, and morocco plus jordan and egypt who are already there. you can see that the fault lines in the region have dramatically changed the israeli government. thanks.
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there's little cost of doing what it's doing right now. and in less than 2 years, the republicans who are unapologetic, supporters of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu majors went back control of congress from the democrats. all he has to do is wait. so even if it's true that support for israel in the democratic party may be shifting ever so slightly. it's not likely that america is going to save the day. and that's the bottom line. ah, news, news, news. news . i'm harry davies and kimberly, in western australia or indigenous communities,
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