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in the 4th round of discussions that wrapped up on wednesday, they are beginning to see the contours of what a final agreement would look like. and the renews are now saying that the next round of talks should be the 5th, due to be held here from next tuesday, but could be the most crucial. there is a sense that time is of the essence because the europeans are, are really looking to try and secure disagreements that will see the united states return to nuclear agreement of 2015 as well as iran to return to for compliance before the presidential election. set to take place in iran on july 18th. there is a sense that these next rounds could be the most important. and as for the deadline for the technical agreement, it is expected to be extended in the coming days by rating officials. ah, hello. this is al jazeera, these are the headlines a sci fi between israel and a mass appears to be holding. it went into effect on friday after 11 days of
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fighting, which killed at least $243.00 palestinians. 12 people died in israel, both sides. meanwhile came in victory. i shall not be to him that shook it. we stood united shoulder to shoulder looking only at one thing, bringing back the security and quiet to the people of israel as the prime minister of israel. the only thing that influences my decision is the safety and security of israel and keeping at citizens and soldiers alive. the main goal of this operation was to hit the terrorist operation, had bring back peace to date. not everything is known to the public and to whom us and it will come out in time. at the stage, what i can say is we did brave and new things. boy, elaine had a muscle allow these 2 are palestinian people into all free men worldwide. i bring to you this good news, good news of the victory. and it is the victory created by the palestinian people. it is a victory carved by the noble blood of the fallen marchers. all resistance groups
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on joint forces and delta, one heavy blow to the enemy. this blow will leave an indelible mark on these really occupation forces on their political security and military. we salute our resistance and their leaders, what they still tensions remain high across the occupied west bank. but dozens of people have been injured during demonstrations on friday. these are some of the latest pictures from ramallah where they have been trashes between palestinian protest and israeli forces and faith. the red crescent says a total of $82.00 palestinians in the occupied west bank. andrew england had been injured in classes with israeli forces. analia. they were also gonna show between israeli police and worshippers. the alex and mosque compound witnesses. a gas was fight of armed police trying to disperse the crowd following friday. pres, at least 15 people were injured. next up, it's inside story. ah,
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ah ah ah, is us opinion shifting on the israel palestine conflict? people opposed to america long standing supportive israel are becoming more vocal. so how will this affect future ties between the 2 traditional allies? this is inside story. ah, the, the who's hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much room the latest round of fighting between israel and hamis has ended in a cease fire. more than 250 people died over 11 days. most were palestinians killed
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by israeli air strikes on gaza while how much rockets killed 12 people in israel. the palestinians celebrated as the egypt broker truce went into force. both hamis and israel are claiming victory. the u. s. israel's biggest ally had been putting on the pressure to stop the violets. president joe biden reportedly warned benjamin netanyahu that he couldn't withstand international criticism of the gaza strikes for much longer. gabriel elizondo has more from washington d. c. president joe biden had come under increase pressure over the last week to do more to try to stop the violence, particularly with progresses within the democratic party who were calling on biden, to pressure prime minister benjamin netanyahu to pursue more aggressively a ceasefire. so ultimately, when biting did announce a cease fire, he wanted to show that the u. s. was very much involved in it and wanted to take
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some credit. we've held intention, high level discussions, our by our literally egypt, palestinian authority and other middle eastern countries with a name of avoiding disorder, pro long conflict we've seen in previous years when, how still it is broken out. i believe the palestinians and israelis equally deserved to live safely and securely and enjoy equal measures of freedom, prosperity and democracy. my administration will continue our quiet, relentless diplomacy toward that end. i believe we have a genuine opportunity to make progress and i've committed to working for the question now becomes as well the bi administration used this opportunity to pursue peace with israel and palestine in the region. we are getting late word now that secretary of state antony blink, and we'll be heading to the region in the coming days to meet with both israelis and palestinians and regional players to pursue some sort of peace agreement where
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these meetings will take place and with exactly whom is still unknown, but it does give an indication that at least in some degree, by and does want to seize this opportunity to pursue a more lasting piece in the region. a shift away from america, long standing supportive israel appears to be happening. progressive democrats, this is where she does believe alexandria, casio, cortez, and in the openly challenged us policies and demanded protection for palestinians and sen. bernie sanders has introduced a bill to block the sale of $735000000.00 worth of weapons to israel. the truth is, these policies like this current wall will continue to strengthen to strengthen extremists on both sides, including how much you want to strengthen hamas support this
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war. we congress must understand that in more than a decade of his right wing rule in israel, benjamin netanyahu has cultivated and increasingly intolerant and authoritarian type of racist nationalism. the hundreds of thousands of americans, particularly young people, have been rallying in support of palestinians. a recent gallup poll found that although most americans still have favorable views of israel, record 25 percent sympathize, more with policy. another survey found younger american jews feel less attached to israel and their parents and grandparents. ah. all right, for more in this i'm joined by my guess in washington dc. i'm a daughter member of the national policy council of the arab american institute in
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it'll be to that as on, on palestinian activists and doctoral student in psychology and in new york. jesse mechanic, writer and contributor to publications such covington, post mother jones and truth out a warm welcome to you. all does not let me start with you today, this citizen journalism that we've seen that's being done by palestinian activists on the ground there. how much do you think that has changed the conversation and the narrative about the plight of palestinians in the us? i mean, do you think that this is really shifting perceptions in america that americans are beginning to rec and much more with the reality on the ground for palestinians? yes, thank you for this question and hello to all the viewers today. i definitely think that having personal narratives off the ground, representing and rendering visible was often very easily concealed by systems of power. is very, very influential. i mean, this is the same thing we've seen happen with black lives matter movement. the united states. it was local communities coming together and saying that enough is
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enough and no justice, no peace is and we ought to reflect what's happening on the ground. what is the daily reality? earlier in your introduction, you were also mentioning how i did announcement was saying that both palestinians and israelis deserve peace and safety and freedom. and one thing i would say is, i think there's an everyday person, we always hear the kind of people that hear these things become kind of like the trucks and the people on the ground stand up and say, no, actually we have not seen any ounce of equal equality and freedoms and safety since 948. and that's something very important. and that's what people on the ground every day. people are doing their using their instruments. these tools to simply say this is happening outside my window. this is what's happening on my way to school. this is what's happening on my way to harvest land that i've been harvesting for years. and i feel like it humanizes, but because so much over the last 73 years,
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palestinians have increasingly been to humanize through means of also just the personalizing us. so using the label of palestinian is even more common today and was pretty eliminated and equipped in the past. but even doing so or like reuters recent headline of calling the high math versus israel, the completely di, personalizing our people. and so i think that each individual coming up and speaking about what they're living and experiences firsthand is been foundational. what we're seeing happening and local and global mobilization. i'm from your vantage point there in the u. capital, do you feel that the ground is shifting in the us when it comes to perceptions of what the palestinians have been through and what they're going through? is there a new focus on palestinian rights and are more people in the u. s. seeing this conflict framed through social justice and you know, the issue of human rights there is absolutely no question that we are seeing this
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very significant shift in public perceptions and part due to what resent herself has just outlined in terms of technology. just giving people access directly into what's happening on the ground in palestine in a way that does not necessarily always have to be filtered through corporate media and the united states, which still continues to cover that issue. not so greatly still with a lot of false equivalences and missing context. but also there is a lot of mobilization from the ground up here within the united states. there is grassroots activism and supportive palestinian human rights. there is so many, you know, the diversity of the american jewish community is now a full display with so many more progressive organizations, jewish organizations emerging to challenge a pack, the traditional pro israel lobby. and we are at a point right now. we're a majority of democrats favor reducing american military funding to israel because of israel violations the policy in human rights. that is a massive, massive shift. this did not used to be the case 20 years ago or 10 years ago. and that is leading us to this moment, right now, we're more and more members of congress,
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particularly on the democratic side of the aisle, are willing to challenge is really behavior at american support for is really behavior and demanding that the united states hold israel accountable. and this is certainly looks like the beginning of a much broader shift that we're moving in the right direction and a country that is becoming much more socially conscious. all around with the emergence of the black lives matter movement, the environmental justice movement, and just about every movement that's trying to create a better and more equitable and just world. and we're seeing that spill into american foreign policy as well. jesse, if i may, i want to read from something you wrote and posted on both twitter and instagram. there was a post in which you wrote for the record, i'm jewish. i have experienced anti semitism. israel is a us back nuclear power running in apartheid state. and deploying one of them was advanced military's on the planet to kill trapped palestinians in gaza. that statement isn't anti semitic, it's honest. the sentiment that you were expressing there, this is something that i have seen met american jews grapple with and express in
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the past couple of weeks. essentially what you and many others are saying is that opposing israeli government policies does not equate to anti semitism. what kind of reaction did you get from this post and was it what you would expect it that's a very good question. no, to be honest. i, i put that sentiment out there and i had been putting, well, i mean, i, my social media following has gone way up over the past year before when i was just a journalist speaking out about these things. it was more in person to people, but i will say this, i put out a lot of different messages about justice and equality. and this one absolutely took all it. i think what everything that's been said thus far is absolutely accurate. there has been a shift. i think it has to do with myriad factors,
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definitely which was already said social media has played an enormous role. i think it's hard to overstate its influence because even, you know, the last big conflict 2014 social media wasn't what it was. and not, you know, not everyone had a camera in their hand. so really democratize is all that. so yeah, when i put that up it exploded really and most of it there was push back for sure from, from pro israel people. but what i really am trying to do with speaking out about this is to be couple all that right to separate the fact that you can criticize the right thing is rarely government and the occupation of palestine and the settlement, which has been there for over 50 years now and you're not criticizing jewish people, there are 2 entirely different things. and i've tried to reiterate that even after that post. but i will say this, the support that posts got has been absolutely incredible and way beyond anything
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that i had imagined for it. i, i thought it would just kind of be like some other ones and i thought there was a possibility that it would just get a ton of hate because, you know, in the united states, i think it's actually more accepted to criticize your own government. right. especially right now, i mean, we can speak out people speak out of the justices that you know, that where perpetrating that the u. s. military is perpetrating, the us government is perpetrating and inequalities and we have to work on. but for some reason it's like forbidden to mention a bad word about israeli, about the israel, the israeli government, which is just it's, it's a wild thing for me to even fathom. but yeah, brazza's, one of the most prominent and popular progressive democrats in the u. s. is representative alexandria casio, cortez just a few days back. she called israel and apartheid state. and in a tweet she wrote apartheid states aren't democracies. we've also seen,
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has been expressed by palestinian american representative or sheet of believe she's another prominent progressive democrats give an impassioned speech on the floor of the house of representatives and decried what she called israel's apartheid government. how significant is it to you that you were hearing this word apartheid being uttered by us legislators? yeah, i mean it's a big deal. i grew up, i've been born and raised in full esteem in palestine, and it's always been the reality. we've named it sites. we've been able to label it, but i always found, you know, like, going to pursue my higher education in the united states. simply identifying myself as palestinian was already met with backlash. it's not complete confusion. and so you have language calling it apartheid state, remembering that it's the united states, the president before trump announced jerusalem as the capital of israel. and so to,
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to have a dissenting voice, a voice that disrupts this and calls it as it is, is refreshing. it's invigorating, it's needed, as i hope to see, occur in the united states itself, which is a subtler colony and many indigenous communities continue to struggle. and so i feel like this is one step towards collective liberation for all of us, all marginalized people. jesse progressives in the democratic party and activists in the u. s. they're not just accusing israel of apartheid practices. they're also, you know, very much drawing parallels now between the plight of the palestinians and injustices faced by black americans. and palestinians are seeing a lot of solidarity being expressed from the black lives matter movement. so how much of an impact is out having right now? i think it enormous it backs. i think that movement specifically and all of the sort of satellite movement grew along with it really started a ground swell of activism, particularly like you said before,
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but the young people just really want to get out in the streets wanting to disrupt wanting to change things being entirely impatient, like people do not want to wait to get rid of the demographic. people do not want to wait to get everyone health care in the united states. people do not want to wait. people do not want to, you know, keep pushing money into this imperialist u. s. machine into the war machine and to the military, industrial complex and that specific movement for social, racial justice. i think it got people really fired up to make a change. and i think the organizing the under it was incredible and it just, it, yeah, it's hard to it's been remarkable really the impact of the social movement. i mean like when i was in high school. ringback right, we, even though i was pretty involved, far more involved than most people, especially, you know, towards the later years we didn't go to protest though, you know,
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i can't speak for everyone, but now, i mean, i went to a rally right shortly after george fly floyd in long island, new york, which is a pretty conservative place and there were thousands of young people out there yelling and screaming and disrupting and taking over the streets and it was, it was absolutely incredible. so i think it, it definitely plays a role. people want to fight for fight against oppression and fight for oppressed people all over the place. and this is a continuation of that. i think i'm not, you know, there's been so much reporting the last several days about how much pressure president biden might be putting on prime minister netanyahu in order to try to get a ceasefire to come about. and now i heard you say that a cease fire alone will not resolve the israel palestine conflict and that a cease fire does not address these underlying issues that have been at play for so
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long. i mean, on twitter you wrote, we remain far from justice. so from your vantage point, what are the steps that need to be taken to begin to address all of this on a fundamental and lasting level? i think we should remember that biden's initial response to israel devastation of gaza was to insist that israel was only defending itself and that it's not doing anything wrong. and it's not reacting. he essentially reverted to the standard mantra of american presidents, which is to simply back israel no matter what israel does. and it was only intense pressure from within his own party, including a confrontation with conk, with congresswoman receipt of police, a palestinian american by the way, which reminds you why representation actually matters. that eventually changed his tune and started calling for de escalation and telling israel that he really expects. and as he's fire to be in the works immediately. and what we currently need right now is to make sure that this pressure remains the same. we can have pressure on the button administration only when israel is carrying out massive
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massacres against palestinians. it has to be sustained during times of the status quo, which is the lower intensity violence that palestinians are experiencing every single day. just today, israeli forces have attacked the compound once again, beating up in protesters and firing and firing stuff. grenades. this is the reality of life for palestinians. every single day. they are under the complete and total control of these really military. they have no voice, they have no right to vote for the government that controls their lives. they don't control their own borders. in the case of the people in godaddy, not even have access to clean water, do not have the ability to trade with the outside world, so they're completely economically suffocated. if they go on fishing, they got shot out by these really, maybe this is an unacceptable reality. right now we're palestinians do not have the most basics of human rights or any freedom at all. and as long as that injustice is in place, we are going to continue in a situation that is just bound to result in more and more violence. and you have
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the people in shifts who are still under the threat of ethnic cleansing simply for being palestinian. so if the united states is going to be furious about putting human rights 1st as the binding administration has repeated multiple times, since he's taking, then we need to see the by an administration be held accountable to those words. and that comes through sustained and relentless pressure. so that israel, i'm pretty sure that within your house, counting on right now is that whatever pressure biden came under was temporary and they can pull back a little bit, but then continue carrying on the way they have. but that is the fundamental issue . we have to get to a point where the united states does not supply unconditional military funding to israel and does not offer unconditional diplomatic protection at the united nations . be towing every effort to hold israel accountable. if we're going to see a meaningful change, and that's precisely what we have to keep pushing for jessie, i saw you nodding along to a lot of and i'm going to was saying there. so i want to give you a chance to jump in. yeah, i just completely agree. i mean this is not peace,
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right? this is the, the fire there is still, you know, i've been seeing a lot of people just call for a 3rd general piece. a general piece made an end to the occupation. a general piece means the us finally standing up, right. the, the 1st settlements were built in 1967, you're talking about multiple, multiple decades. and the reason why they've expanded the 200 federal, the 600000 people, is that the largest imperial force in modern times backs up another under miss military to continue these type of thing to continue expanding territories to continue denying, palestinians. you know, like, what's just that the, the right to vote, the right to travel freely active to the same electrical grid, the same road, the same water system. i mean me as an american you, i can go over there today and instantly as soon as i get there, i have more rights and palestinians who have been there for 80 years. and that just
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has to and the united states has to show up here and i think what was just said was spot on, which is i think by it's hoping now that this all settled down. and he can just go back to the typical status both for all american president, democrat, republican. it doesn't matter which is just support israel, no matter what, as. and i want to take a step back for a moment and mention the fact that over the last week i've spoken to a lot of palestinian younger palestinian activists. who said that, what's important right now is it, palestinian activists are taking control of their own stories that they are producing their own stories in that that is why this is resonating with the rest of the world. and in the u. s. in a way that it hasn't in the past. now that's one thing. but do you believe that the shift that we're seeing happening when it comes to people identifying would apply to palestinians more than they have in the past? you believe that this is going to lead to fundamental changes in policy, especially when it comes to the us going forward? yeah, i'm not an oracle,
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so i can't fully deduce what the future is going to bring. but i can say that i am hopeful, i have faith in it. one thing about i feel is important to highlight and touched on . and, and just use well is that there is an assumption that systematic change occurred like this, like very quickly. and the truth is, is that people have been organizing whether on turtle island in the united states and in various parts of europe. and in the global south for years, for decades there's been mobilization on the ground. and i think what we're seeing now is the combination and accumulation of labor, by grassroots organizers when talk on the ground, getting the message out there. i feel like it's also important to highlight in terms of like wanting to see this consistently into the future is to call upon folks like when we hear, i think we, we start to hear a lot that people don't have access to water. people that are cut off from this and that, and i want to say something many of us,
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all of us really cross borders have experienced what coven 19 has cards. in terms of quarantine, immense degrees, the propelling of psychological disorders and difficulties, and everyone daily life just simply being stuck in one's home. i want you to place that reality into a 15 years. i put that temporal scale into your imagination. i also want you to add to it that all over is rebel. i want you to add over that in the last attack by israel alan onto the they were aiming for people joint. they were aiming for people blend not only to harm a population but to the ability to put an extreme health care costs, so that even in a dwindling infrastructure, how are you supposed to deal with that? how are you supposed to move when you're incapacitated in impaired in this way? and the 3rd thing i really want to highlight about her and turns the thing to cease fire that the fire is as a cease fire of aerial bombardment. it's not
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a sensation of the erection of the legal settlement. it might have mentioned 15 so far have been injured in a lock. so what were people doing? they were celebrating, celebrating 15 injured right now in bethlehem, another very historic and religious fight. young people have been targeted with light bullets. this is happening right now. you speak? well, though, as these fires announce, although, you know, i'm not a political analyst and i trust what the people are sharing here to say that in the, you know, pressure has to be maintained on by then i want to remind biden's a se one, not so many years ago that said all i loved israel so much. if it didn't exist, we'd have to create it. and this is an important thing for people to connect the dots to. i just like anyone else wants to fight against anti semitism, anti semitism should not be occurring and at the same time completing anti semitism with any voice but against oppression is violent towards their jewish brothers and
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sisters and siblings. and so we need to really stand strong right now and recognize that yes, the organizing occurring on turtle island, it's organ that's occurring and tell us, find occurring in multiple other places is being done for the people by the people . and that the only way for us to maintain that is not to back down. and for us to know that we understand what her aspirations when her dreams are. all right, well we have run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation now i want to think all of our guests today i'm going to, but daughter put on and jesse mechanic and thank you to for watching. you can see this and all of our previous programs. again, anytime by visiting our website or 0 dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a g inside story for me manage. i'm driven the whole team here. fi for now. the
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