and the philippine military launched and all not offensive to free them. 5 months later, the battle was over. but we was by now the most devastated city in the philippines since world war 2 more than a 1000 people were killed and millions more displeased. the president to legal their to promise the city would be rebuilt. but 4 years later, many men and now feel they have been forgotten. there is still a search for missing loved ones, and hundreds of bodies buried in haste. during the conflict, we mean an identified reconstruction efforts in the city are slow and thousands of people are still unable to go home insights golf, a non governmental organization focused on mapping, we're always recovery, says it is hard to fully assess the real cost of the 5 months of war, all you want or urban city destroyed is this like me being

bound to be, it's not acceptable and that the priority has to be helping people go home. security remains a problem too. according to international alert, which monitors conflict, glenn warns, are making a come back. enlisted drug use is rising to while i'm groups continue to recruit young men, even in areas where conflicts have ended. while we desk interview about to the sensor in the least they were up and said that, you know, if the, about the course by the extra miss groups, they're using the, the delay in the reconstruction of what are we as a rallying point to try and stop frustration of the task force formed by that it's hard to administration admits there have been challenges including the cobra, 1900 pandemic, and the economic recession, which of course delays to the reconstruction of met. it says it remains committed

to getting my we back to a thriving and viper city. but critics say so much time has been squandered by a government that was once given, sweeping powers to implement reforms across the line of province. while survivors say there is nothing to commemorate because another year equates to another layer of hardship, for most of them were left to fend for themselves. jim l as in dog and i'll do 0 manila. and finally, italy has won the eurovision song contest of the 1st time in more than 30 years. i might be glam. rock band, main skin claims, the title thing the song called shuts up and behave t v. viewers from the 1st 9 countries voted from home was longest running tv music competition didn't lose any of it. sparkle, despite covered restrictions inside story is next season. by news

news, news. news on the safe fire and garza appears to be holding. now comes the enormous task of rebuilding with thousands of palestinians made homeless. but what will it take to achieve a lasting peace between the israelis and palestinians? this is inside story. ah, ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim jones, the air strikes and rocket fire have stopped. but both the israeli military and how much have warned that attacks will resume if the other side breaks the cease fire

on garza. the focus now turns to the rebuild. that's expected to cost $100000000.00 . tens of thousands of palestinians have been made homeless. nearly half of the population has no access to clean water. hospitals and schools that were already struggling before the latest round of fighting are now just piles of rubble. the u . s. president has promised to help, and joe biden hopes to cease fire will help restart diplomatic moves towards peace . we still need a 2 state solution. it is the only answer, the only answer. and what i'm convinced of is that we can now move as i had did, even before whereas i was able to negotiate wash. and before the fire was to go shade that i made it clear that i spoke with president of the boss. we were going to make sure that we are going to provide for security in the west bank. and recently we renewed the security commitment,

as well as economic commitment to the people on the west bank. our diplomatic editor james bays says the recent violence has pushed the binding ministration to reconsider its peace efforts in the region. the key diplomatic moment in the coming days is the arrival of the us secretary of state antony blinking in the region. we don't have any exact details this trip, but he's going to be meeting is railey and palestinian leaders. clearly the international focus right now is getting humanitarian assistance into garza. a un security council resolution drafted by frances, being rewritten to focus on humanitarian assistance. one of the problems there for the us is that it doesn't deal directly with mass, so is going to have to work through intermediaries and the united nations. the big question for the blinking visit is whether this changes the calculations of the by with ministration for the 1st 4 months they've had in power. they've not seen this

issue as a priority. they've been focusing on the iran nuclear deal on climate change on afghanistan. and on relations with china and with russia, will they now change that and refocus on negotiations between israelis and palestinians. of the u. s. actively pursuing them. palestinians continued to demand an end to israeli occupation. thousands protested in the occupied west bank ambia la mos compound an occupied east jerusalem on friday. the response from israeli police was done grenades. ah, i ride for more on this. i'm joined by our guests in houston, texas. mm hm. and i will see attorney and vice general coordinator for the palestinian youth movement in new york. beth miller, government affairs manager for jewish voice for peace action. and in washington, d. c. david pollock, senior fellow at the washington institute for near east policy and author of

a nation divided palestinian views on war and peace with israel. a warm welcome to you all, david, let me start with you today. whether or not this cease fire ultimately holds, it really doesn't address any of the underlying issues, does it? no, it doesn't just assume fire, but at least that isn't necessary. first step before any serious diplomatic moves or even managerial assistants can get started. i'm a, do you believe that this cease fire is going to prevent any further escalations in the near term? no, i absolutely don't. i think it was we can see with the sort of clashes that have occurred, the firing of tear gas and rubber coated steel, bullets, the worshippers that all of the mosque just after the fire was announced. this won't change. and as long as there is popular resistance in confrontation with the occupation and the various encroachments on palestinian religious and cultural

sites, there's going to be continued sort of back and forth as long as they are siege and occupation. beth their efforts underway and congress right now to block the u. s. administration. 700. $35000000.00. sale of us weapons to israel. do you think that these efforts are ultimately going to be successful? will they actually be able to block this? we don't know if the efforts will ultimately be able to block the sale in part because there is so little transparency about where the status of the sale currently is. regardless of where that goes though, what we've seen over the last few days is an unprecedented response. from the progressive wing of the democratic party standing up to the by the ministration and saying that they wanted to stop. and we will continue to push hard in that direction because that alone shows that there is a huge wedge growing within the democratic party, an unwillingness on the progressive end of the party in particular to allow for us

to continue just sending a blank check. that is really to fund is really apartheid. david from your vantage point, what would it take to try and achieve a lasting peace between israelis and palestinians? well the 1st thing is that from us has to abandon its refusal to recognize israel and accept a 2 state solution that the major obstacle to piece. and i think unfortunately i see. ready instead of moving in that direction from us, moving in the opposite direction toward violence, terror militants, hardline rejection met earlier in the show, we played a soundbite from joe biden. the president was saying that, you know, really a 2 state solution is the only way forward. what does that make you think when you hear that, and we've heard this so often is a 2 state solution even viable at this point?

no, i think it's a fantasy. i think anyone who holds to the notion that there will be 2 states and this one territory is diluted. i think the reality of the situation is, is settlements only continue to increase. there's expansion and what it's called inside of israel. the judy zation of palestinian territory including east jerusalem . all of these things are not going to stop political will inside of israeli society. it is in favor of continuing settlement in favor of continued occupation in siege. and until that changes, there won't be any sort of prospect for resolution on the ground. the reality of the situation is we had one state already. and that state is governed by the state of israel, and it's subjecting palestinians depending on where they find themselves in that territory. different forms of rule and gaza. it feeds it's an open air prison. it's essentially a concentration camp in the west bank. it's military occupation, effectively bantustans with semi autonomous rules for particular territories where

the p a and i'm democratic entity is essentially effectively just a security coordination apparatus for the state of israel and administering their occupation on the civil level. and in east jerusalem palestinians do not have any boarding rights. they don't have any sort of prospect for rule there. there's continued encroachment on palestinian neighborhoods and holy sites and in 48 palestine or what is called modern day israel. there is further a 2nd class citizen status for palestinians there. and so these conditions, the system of apartheid that extends from the river to the sea is effectively a one state already. the question is, do we face that reality and move towards a solution that sees a secular democratic state within that territory where there's rights for palestinian, where there's reparations for palestinians victimized by zionism and where there's the right of return. that's allowed of means who are languishing refugee camps in

the surrounding states. that is the, that is the passport solution. this notion of 2 states. it's something that is held up to keep palestinians at bay. when in reality, we're not going away. the palestinian struggle, the palestinian will to be able to access all of palestine to be able to live within their homes and villages as free people. it's not something that will be relinquished like help. and beth, i saw you nodding along to a lot of what hammered was saying. there's what looks like you wanted to jump in, please go ahead. i just strongly agree that we have to recognize the reality of what the situation is right now. in congress, for example, we still hear an overwhelming majority of members of congress who some of them won't even say the word occupation let alone name the reality of apartheid that is really existing right now in palestine. and i, i think that the, the more we can just understand and wake up to the reality that there is one

government that controls the lives of all people between the mediterranean sea and the jordan river. and that, that control is a system of oppression for palestinians. the more quickly we will be able to move forward toward what's actually going to be future, where everyone lives with justice full rights and equality. earlier, you know, you played a clip from president biden speaking about how we have to now buckle down and move forward to the 2 state solution and be committed to that. i don't understand why our commitment shouldn't be to human rights and freedom for all people. why it has to be that our commitment is to this, this framework of the 2 state solution. rather than a framework you a commitment that all people will live with full human rights, dignity, equality and in freedom. david, what do you think is a 2 state solution even viable at this point? yes, i think it is. i think it's the only road to peace and i'm truly. ready very sorry

to hear both of your other speakers rejecting the idea of peace between israel and the palestinian state. if they want continued conflict, if they want civil war, if they want oppression, that's what they are asking for. not for human rights. they are asking to perpetuate the conflict. they are asking to keep millions of palestinians and israelis at each other's throats instead of a just an equitable solution which would preserve the rights and dignity of both peoples. i want to ask you about a new generation of palestinian activists that's really been noticed by many around the world in the last couple of weeks. and i want to ask you how much this new generation of palestinian activists, many of them part of the diaspora. how much does that change the way politics are approached by palestinians around the world?

like, i think, you know, following the also process, what happened was there was the, the linking of the palestinian diaspora from internal policy and politics. and that was in a way the reproduction of geographic and political fragmentation within the palestinian society following the next group and the new emergence of these youth. these youth who grew up under the also process both inside of palestine and outside come to recognize the failures of the awful process. the failures of this notion that there will be an independent palestinian state and the need to move back towards a multitude of tactics that were utilized historically by palestinian, including a general strike that resulted in the loss of $40000000.00 to the israeli construction industry. and just one day, these sorts of tactics, popular confrontation with the occupation mobile, i think mobilization across palestine and the resumption of the tragedy of the

boycott divestment and sanctioned movement. these are all carried by palestinian palestinian youth, especially across the entire globe. and this is that we're not talking about one or 2 cities. we're talking about the entire globe. we're talking about from madrid to berlin, to los angeles, the year and used in texas to palestinians. and she laid the policy in the refugee camps. all of these youth are mobilizing under a banner of justice under a banner of dignity, and not only are they mobilizing for their own struggle, there, mobilizing in support of other struggles of justice palestinians. youth especially, you know, we, we've carried sort of the legacies about our, our, our families and our ancestors in terms of how we understand our experiences, palestinians. but most importantly, we've carried the principals that have undergirded, the palestinian cause, which is justice, which is liberation, which is dignity. these sort of principles extend to our daily lives. they extend to our relationships with our peers here in this case,

expense our relationship to our society around us. and it means that we will, as long as we believe in these principles, we're going to be unwavering as it relates to the conditions of our people. and i just want to quickly address one of the things that your other gets mentioned. he says that we support these sort of continued possibilities, civil war and things like that. yes, in his opening he mentioned he had made no mention of the death of paulson. he had made no mention of the settlements in relationship to the undermining of so called all of these beings are what perpetuate the conflict. so the so called conflict, what we need is justice. what we need is an end to a decades long occupation was, which is an effective apartheid system. what we need is to look at the experience of south africa, where segregationist, who are screaming about the dangers of civil war, who was screaming about the dangers of black rule. avoid an angel apartheid. now look like the completely detached people they were. and so the

reality of the situation is if we want peace, we need to confront that there is no, no, no 2 state solution that could be put on a table that can reconcile with the fact that palestinians are subject subjugated. even in a 2 states framework that's not solving our problem and tell us the and use like myself, like the palestinian youth and the youth movement like the palestinian youth who are on the front lines of struggling ships on or off in jerusalem in a locks. i'm off in a lid and i have all over historic color. we are not relinquishing our call for justice. and if people who view a call for justice, see it as a call for civil war. and the problem is with them. not with beth from your perspective, has this latest run to violence cause younger american jews to confront the issues in a way that's different than how their parents or grandparents did. i guess what i'm asking is, is there a general generational fall line when it comes to the issue and perceptions of

israel and palestine that is playing out now in american jewish families? there certainly is a growing number of young americans. you too are increasingly waking up to what the reality of what's happening in palestine is and what the reality is of how the israeli government treats and oppressed palestinians that is absolutely true. and it's a big part of the growing jewish left that is working to be in solidarity with palestinians in their struggle for justice and for right. but i think it's also important to name that it's not just a generational line. and in fact, there are we have movement elders in the palestinian rights movement, jewish people who have been deeply in struggle with palestinians for decades as well. and that for a lot of us on my cell, a lot of us were brought into this movement by people who have, who are, who are jewish, and who been diagnosed or supporting the boycott or engaged in solidarity,

where the palestinians for years and years. and so it's important that we name that as well. it's not simply a generational divide. jewish voice for peace and base is a beautifully intergenerational movement, for example. and i think it's where the strength of that movement comes from. and absolutely, it is also true that there is a rapidly growing trend that young american jews are very, very quickly moving left on. the issue, which i think is one of the reasons that we can see the direction. this is heading in that there is crumbling support for the israeli government apartheid policies among increasingly young american jews as well. david, the by the administration has been trumpeting what it calls its quiet diplomacy around the conflict. they're saying that that's essentially the reason why this cease fire, however delicate it may be. but as the reason why this cease fire was ultimately achieved, do you believe it? that is the case? or is it more that israel and hammers really did not want to see

a long drawn out concert? i think it's both, and i'm sorry again to see both of your other speakers constantly reiterating their call for continued violence in terror and civil war. although they dress it up in the language. right. and justice, what they really mean is justice only for one side. the palestinians not reviews railways. what they really mean is constant conflict instead of peace between israel and the palestinians. so the, by the ministration unlikely to other speakers is aiming for peace. and that i think is the direction of american policy. and i think it's the direction that will preserve the rights and dignity both palestinians and israelis in the future. what divided ministration did with the help of egypt and jordan,

and other arab governments with the help of palestinians who wanted peace, not continued conflict and depth on both sides, which i regret very deeply what the bible ministration did was support the efforts of the true moderates on both the palestinian and israeli side to bring this latest conflicts to a rapid end. and in fact, this conflict with over in just 11 days, not 56 games. as we saw in 2014, with many fewer casualties on both sides, on the indian side, and on the israeli side, where people were killed and wounded and displaced on both sides. so i think the bind units gratian deserves some credit. and i think that palestinian and israeli desert credit for deciding that conflict is not the way forward despite what your 2

speakers are advocating. mohammed the earlier you mentioned the word apartheid when talking about israeli government policies. beth also mentioned the word apartheid in describing israeli government policies. and i want to ask you about the fact that in the past week we've heard some very prominent progressive voices in the democratic party in the us speaking from congress or tweeting and using that word, saying that there are par type policies being carried out by israel toward the palestinians. does that signal to you that there is a major shift afoot right now when it comes to the u. s. government, and perhaps it's potential policy toward israel? i wouldn't necessarily see it as a shift with the u. s. government and its policies towards israel, the, the progressive wing of the democratic party while it's growing, it's still a small segment of, of the democratic party. i think i still think there's bipartisan consensus around and wavering and sort of unconditional support for israeli aggression against

palestinian lives. i mean, as echoed by what your other guest is saying, what see he seems to support himself and as he praises bite and in his approach to, to, to what's happening to palestinians and the territories. so while there is sort of new voices that are speaking and i think there has been a considerable media shift, i think the most dramatic shift. and this is where i will challenge the narrative of, of the us as role in the cease fire. i don't believe that the fire was achieved as a result of negotiations purely looking at. do we want to minimize death or not? i think this was israel looking at the situation, looking at the international pressure, the wave of condemnations from various governments, the wave of condemnation from civil societies and masses all over the world. the fact that palestinians mobilized using a multitude of tactics, not just

a military engagement with the state of israel, but a multitude of tactics to confront their conditions, both in terms of ethnic cleansing and east jerusalem in terms of the system of 2nd class citizen and ship in cities like a lead, hey far and nazareth, these tactics including the general strike or what brought this bombardment of gaza . and though your other guest continues to use the word both sides as completely flattening out, the differences between both parties, one of which has a large swath of people under occupation in fiji and, and systems of apartheid and the other arm to the tooth by this greatest superpower in the world, the largest superpower in the world, as for today, is not one of sim cemetary. it's one of an oppressor in the press. now, we must next recognize that reality to reach any sort of solution. recognition towards apartheid is a step in that direction, but it's not, it's not what we need. what we need is continued popular confrontation,

including in the diaspora, including b. b. s. campaigns, including pressuring corporations completely in occupation and our government, the end. it's military aid for the state of israel. beth, what do you think about all this? i mean, the fact that there is a lot of criticism being levied toward israel from both progressive and moderate democrats in congress in the past week. how big a shift is that? and do you believe that this is ultimately going to have an impact on us policy toward israel in please keep in mind, we only have about a minute left for the discussion. i think that it indicates that we are heading in the right direction, majorly in a huge way. it does not. i completely agree that this does not mean that there is a shift right now. the faster the matter is, we are still sending $3800000000.00 to the israeli government and military funding every single year. and the overwhelming majority of congress is unwilling to put even the most basic conditions on that aid, even the most basic human conditions, which should be

a very obvious thing that we do with military aid that goes to any country in the world. having said that, it is also a very, very significant shift that for example, we could get 15 members of congress to put their names on a joint resolution of disapproval in the house. a top holes, a weapon sale to the israeli government in this way is also unheard of. and it does indicate the, the, the direction we're moving in and where the political winds are heading. and the fact that there is this growing, growing shift that we just need to keep building on through grassroots organizing. and that will eventually continue to move up and influence congress and how they approach this issue. all right, we have run out of time, so we're gonna have to leave the conversation there. thank you so much. all of our guests have been able to see beth miller and david pollock and thank you to for watching. you can see this and all of our previous programs again, anytime by visiting our website or dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at

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