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a volcanic eruption has covered dozens of homes and eastern democratic republic of congo. the pro is said to be 3 stories high at some points and golfing large buildings on the outskirts of grammar. at least 13 people have died in northern italy after a cable car plunged to the ground. 2 children have also been hospitalized. rescue will say the carriage with high off the ground when it fell. the cause of the accident, near the summit of macaroni in the italian else has not yet been determined. brazil's presidential able center has led a motion procession through rear diginero both and our husband widely accused of mishandling the corona virus pandemic. and it's currently being investigated by a senate commission. well, those are the headlines. i'll have a news hour here for you off the inside story. me. ah, ah ah,
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ah, the holidays are back on europe. ease is covered, $900.00 travel restrictions just in time for the summer. so will the tourism industry recover? and is it safe to reopen as new virus strange cause concern around the world? this is inside story. ah, ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim, jim, most of us haven't been able to travel in the past year because of border closures to contain the pandemic. but with increasing numbers of people receiving cobra, 1900 vaccines, some countries are ready to welcome back tourists. the european union has agreed to reopen the block to vaccinated travelers, but it's up to the 27 member states to make their own rules on who can enter and
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decide visitors need to spend time in quarantine. patients that depend on tourism such as portugal and greece have already ease some restrictions and spain is allowing all vaccinated travelers to enter from next month. yeah, there must be received the julio look on the 7th of june, tourists from all countries that do not have an agreement on freedom of movement, including a country that is also very important for us to respect to the united states. will be able to enter spain, provided they have a certificate stating that they are fully vaccinated with vaccine authorized by the european embarrassments agency or the world health organization. i mean, in other words, from the 7th of june or vaccinated people and their families will be invited to come to spain, regardless of the country of origin. going to 2020 was devastating for europe's economy with borders and businesses close spending more than have to cross the block. while they're still debate over the timing of the reopening, there's little doubt on the effect it could have. italy is one of the countries
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fully adopting the planned e u. health pass after suffering a record economic drop last year. the recovery has been called an uncertain ascent from the abyss. france is also adopting that pass, but it's yet to fully lift. it's covered 1900 restrictions. the 1st wave of travelers will still have to keep the rules on indoor dining and evening curfews. but not all countries are as eager to start. reopening german leaders are hesitant to live restrictions after holiday makers caused a surgeon cove in 1000 cases last year. they've also imposed compulsory quarantine on travelers from the u. k. ah, all right, let's bring our guests in london, sharon livingston, founder of the travel magazine dot net, an online travel website. inverse burg. oh, rick brook in our political analyst professor at stanford university in berlin. and also in london. richard, thou would director of fleet street clinic and a specialist and travel medicine, a warm welcome to you all sharon,
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let me start with you today. by and large. from your perspective, do you believe that most countries are well prepared to start welcoming tourists right now? they are preparing well rather than being well prepared. this has been a very known scenario and because there's so much uncertainty about bought the vaccinations are good for what the variance of the mutations. it's a constant challenge to keep on pointing out what the status quo is. and of course, the vaccination roll now is so important, and the quicker that happens, the more prepared they will be to get tourists in. and that is happening at different stages around europe. but it is beginning to happen when we are getting countries working very, very hard to get there as quickly as possible. so i think that would be another couple months yet,
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but we are getting their risk when it comes to this new criteria about the you starting to relax, travel rules, how many countries were considered safe before and how our country is going to be determined safe going forward, i mean, do we know this at this point? not really. i mean, each country seems to be developing its own criteria that certainly the case from the u. k. banding countries into, you know, red, green, amber. but there's never going to be a truly perfect time to really in trouble. and i think now is as good a time as any for that process to begin. and it will be very carefully monitor. there's a very, you know, i think we are increasingly confident the vaccines do give robust protection even against the variant strains that people have been worrying about. and there are also very robust testing regimes, you know,
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pre departure and on return in various trees. and i think that this is something that's going to be monitored very cautiously, as time goes on, so that it can be fine tuned if we feel, if it's found that problems are encountered, that so many people's livelihoods depend on travel and that people have so many reasons for needing and wanting to travel. i think that you know, we've got to reach a point where the things begin to open up. oh rick, are there other hurdles that are going to need to be cleared before these new rules that have been announced by the you are set to become formal policy? and if so, when do you expect that that's going to happen? well i think it's way too early to make a forecast and just say this on that date in summer we have a perfect system rolling. i think we will just continue with trial and error la.
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i'm personally very happy that we have an agreement on our certificate, but to implement the certificate into a functioning system requires so many steps. we need data, we need the software. we need to find a way to compare the different vaccines. there will be different pressures, politically, and countries that are massively dependent on tourism and others still suffer from very bad numbers when it comes to infections. so the picture is so diverse and the interests are so complicated to moderate, that it's good to have a seek. no, yes, we have this green certificate, but i think the summer will not be long enough to find a system that works smooth enough that everyone is happy with it. sharing your heard or we're going to talk about how complicated all of this is,
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how various countries have different interests and how all of this makes it a more complex picture. so let me ask you, based on what you're observing thus far, do you believe that it's possible that the tourism industry in the e you could potentially recover this summer? i think this summer is a bit to say, i wouldn't call it for this summer. i know that some countries may find their tourism, increase it depending on of course, on their own restrictions and the restrictions to their country from other places. so none of that is in stone, yet everything is still being modified as new data come out. so i don't think it'll be in time for the summer. there will be spurts of tourism in some countries, but as a rule, no, i don't think so. i think really to go back to any sort of proper normal. we'd be looking for 2022, richard. i want to talk about
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a different region right now when it comes to cobit 19. i want to talk for a 2nd about taiwan because i want reported 457 new domestic cobra, 1900 cases. on sunday, taiwan had no local co transmissions for over 200 days. and it had been widely held up as an example of a country that was successfully containing the corona virus. in regard to this discussion, i mean we're talking today about the e u and loosening restrictions. things may be looking better across the u right now, but what's happening in taiwan and even in singapore, which was also held up as a model country and how they dealt with covered 19. i mean, doesn't this really show how things could get out of hand? very quickly. well, it doesn't day the, the, the problem is the countries that has brought down the number of cases purely by a lockdown strategy, leave themselves very vulnerable to things changing down the line. so essentially
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what they're doing is kicking the can down the road. and you know, i think this is very wiring. my mine looks it's, you know, the post world that have had that of the so strategy without implementing a very robust vaccine program. because really, the only point of delaying the delaying the opening up of borders under resent normal is if you use that time very productively to boost the level of immunity in the population. so that cases cannot spread. once the, once the re re infused, there is no way that we are going to end up with a 0 cov, it outcome. in this, in this world we are never going to get to a point where there is so much immunity through natural infection or by vaccination. i think we've just got to use the time to to prepare
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ourselves for things to ultimately returned to some kind of normalcy. so we do need that scene programs to be wrapped up and in every country and, and to be deployed and be prepared for what may happen or want to go back to the point you were making before about how complicated all of this looks. you know, the, you is aiming to take a coordinated approach to travel and tourism, but individual member states are still going to be allowed to set their own requirements for travelers from individual countries based on their own epidemiological criteria. how much does that complicate all of those? well, it certainly complicates more, but i think it's also the wrong perspective to only look at it from a medical point of view. last year that top priority was, can we save lives and that's legitimized. every possible stack of lock downs or
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whatever freedom restrictions. now we are at the point where the rolled out of that explanation show success. and we should also think of what the alternative call that go beyond the pure health oriented ones. and if countries are massively dependent on tourism as the source of income, and if we have a much more individualist culture in european countries compared with single or some other countries in asia, and it's extremely complicated to just say, well, look at senior, for, and implement what they have done and then we are better off. this is not how it works. i think if we wouldn't come up with an integrated solution in europe, people would simply not listen anymore and don't obey to the rules any more. and the situation will be much worse. sharon, you were talking before about when the tourism industry across the you may recover . i want to now for a moment, look at the state where it's at right now. i mean,
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how devastating has the pandemic been to the tourism industry and you nations and, and you know, how much will loosening restrictions help the industry to recover the travel industry is non non existent right now. people haven't been able to travel for you for a year. there would have been restrictions on him and many of the countries the in the you have been on the look them in terms of their own tourism financial gains. there hasn't been any, when tourist own come, there are loads and loads of businesses that will collapse, including tour operators, 2 companies. it's been devastating them. we've seen that cruise is cannot cruise. we cannot fly. countries are not letting people in from other countries. it's been just awful. i mean billions of pounds has been lost. millions of dollars has been
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lost because of this in the travel industry in terms of will actual travel come back travelers? will they do it? i think from around research, we found that people are hesitant. they're looking to see what will happen in the long term. because so much uncertainty has happened. been here in the u. k. we've had to look them. and sometimes they were the very last minute. some people got banned and abroad while they were on holiday and it was chaos. so we don't want to have to suffer anything like that again. and it could happen. i know we don't want to not look down. no country wants to know the look down. it's just devastating for business and the streets that are usually filled with colorful tourism artist empty . even portico now, which has have spurted towards me, especially from their favorite, where i would say favorite, but that most prolific travelers from the u. k. even though that has been quick of
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mark travelers, it's still quiet. so in terms of rebuilding tourism, i think it's going to take a long time and some people are going to have to have nerves of steel to continue. richard with the new variance that are out there just how risky a proposal does this become? well, i think there's a loss of emerging data to support the idea that the vaccines are effective against the variance. so i think this is something that needs to be watched carefully. you know, again, be surveillance on people returning from trip suddenly in the u. k. and i know in many other countries the testing regimen on returning travelers and u. k. the 2nd returning home there is mandatory testing for all returning travelers. other than those from the those there's a green car, it will only
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a very small number in that category. but for everybody else on the 2nd day, full return home, there is not only a pcr test, but also gene. i'm sequencing for any positive results. so there's very robust monitoring for variance. and i think on that basis that will allow some of the concerns that people have because if it suddenly turns out that there is an uptick in the number of variance, it would be very easy to implement for controls. so i think that they're all good systems in place to allow some recovery unreturned to normal. i totally agree that it will take some time. that would be anything like i usual picture of what travel is like, but it's got to begin to return. you know, the cost of not doing it. if it is a huge economic costs,
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have ripple through every other area of our lives, you know, whether it's mental health, economic health, and indeed the physical health of the people are prevented from doing all the things that protect and improve the health you know, you know, the process of being locked down and resigns, not the, the old very considerations that need to be balance. and i don't think, you know, i think that there is really good surveillance now in place to enable a cautious return for the travel industry. oh rick, is it it all clear yet how the vaccination status of a visitor is going to be determined? i mean, will, will europeans have digital certificates? and what about non european travelers? do we know what kind of certification that they are going to need?
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well, 1st of all, even a country like germany that faces a massive july station boosts during the damage. we still use most of the people a paper certificate where you blew in a sticker, which is of course far from being proof for whatever abuse of it, or if people can fake it. and that is not something that would match the standards of the 21st century, but there also are a number of other technical obstacles that have to be removed. otherwise people will be frustrated in this part of how the european union managed it. given the criticism that you faced on the roll out of the nation, when we think of people who are not you citizen and who are not part of this, this makes it even harder to find a common denominator. and when we look beyond the nation states in germany, it's up to each and every region to decide what you do with the different
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certificates given the different situation in bavaria compared to the north of germany. that is the tourism sector, which sees very low numbers. but the nurse, a much more health oriented compared with the ones in the south. so it will remain a mish mash of different standards, different criteria. and it certainly won't make things easier. sharon, do you think that we're going to see an attempt to standardize you? vaccination certificates with non e u countries. i did hope so. we finally finally had agreement just the other day about having a digital car for vaccination, passport for the broke. and i believe the even though written after breakfast, it has become a sad country. we're going to be included in that as well, which is great news that will alleviate a lot of hassle for people, because right now we're using just in a chest out. and although that does work,
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we do need something across europe. if it can be expanded, and the good thing about systems that work is, are all the people of the country look at them think, well actually we could have that too. so i think it may happen that way. i'm really hard. so because the more standardized we become, the easier be to trouble move right now. if anyone who wants to go on holidays thinking, oh gosh, what do i need in this country? will let me in my countries saying, i can go there and come back without quarantine. however, i will have to take 3 p c r tests and that's quite expensive. so sometimes the pci attests cost more than the actual holiday, especially if it's a short holiday. so the has to be, is one of the standardization of the passport digitally. we also need to bring down the costs of the testing, so the people can go many been vaccinated. people can go, but they need the test. so nobody can get away without having the test and it is
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expensive. richard, the you hopes to deliver enough vaccine doses to have 70 percent of the you adult population vaccinated by july. is that target actually achievable, especially considering how initially it was a very sluggish rollout? well, i think the focus has to be on the individual's her greatest, refer in it's certainly in the u. k, it's been of age stress. if i'd rather focusing on the people who almost wrong rebel as protecting them, i think the uptake of vaccine does very suddenly seems to vary from one country to another. so i think there's a lot of work to be done to overcome any hesitancy, reluctance on, on the part of people to, to be vaccinated moment the limiting factor is the supply of bucks seen.
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but presumably at some point we'll get to the stage where there is enough vaccine, but there's not enough uptake path. encouraging people to be vaccinated for travel may be a good way of incentivizing people to you know, to make the most of the vaccination. i think the other thing is that once there are once seen is freely and readily available to people, it could be that we moved to a situation such as already exist. some countries where proof of vaccination without testing is acceptable. mrs. me, you know the case for the thumb trips to, to, to some countries. so i'd like to see that coming in as a think until back scene is freely available. it will be more testing based. but ultimately, i think people who can proves that they've had that they've been properly
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vaccinated ought to be allowed to travel more freely. orac. i just want to shift gears for a moment to look at the bigger picture of this. i mean, the fact that it's going to be easier ultimately for vaccinated people to travel internationally. this is really going to deepen the divide between the majority of countries that still have extremely limited access to the vaccine. and to the much fewer wealthier nations that do, isn't it? i mean, this is really going to highlight the inequity of play when it comes to access to the axis. right. exactly, and it also shows a fundamental difference between the united. 2 kingdom and the united states that both insisted on not sharing any of the vaccine that was produced within their countries and the european union that exported as much as they used for their own citizens. because everyone in the european union knew that if we don't share and if we don't express forms of solitary to involve fire back because we will import
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mutations that are bad for mankind. and not only for people who can't afford to build a production site or to use generics or whatever. so it is not only a moral obligation, it's in everyone's best interest to build up more production and to share in a global strategy. and not only my son cri 1st, sharon, we don't have a whole lot of time left to let me ask you. the you also said it was going to grant cobra 19. corona virus safety seals to tourism. business is compliant with health and safety requirements from your vantage point. how much does that help and do you think that these businesses are going to try to get those certificates and be in compliance? i think they will because they are very incentivized to do that because the safer
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other people feel to work with them, the more business so able to upright. so it makes total sense that everybody can show that they all cove, it's safe. it, if one person is safe, that's not enough. you need everyone to feel safe, to be able to go to wherever they want to go. and if you want him bite people to work with you or do business with you, you have to show that to it makes total sense. all right, well, we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guest, sharon livingston, or rick bruckner and richard wood. and thank you to for watching. you can see this and all of our previous programs. again, anytime by visiting our website, observe dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a j inside story. for me, my name is jim jim and the whole team here for now. the
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