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it says it will start next month. dozens of people including many children, remain missing. after a volcano erupted in the democratic republic of congo and saturday, but it is still being recovered and at least $32.00 people are confirmed that some of the victims died from toxic gas fumes residents. you flip the erosion and steady returning to the homes. authorities have caution. ah, so this is out there. these are the top stories and us extra state entity blanket meeting palestinian leaders in the occupied west bank. earlier he met prime minister benjamin netanyahu and reaffirmed us support to israel. you also emphasize the need for urgent humanitarian. this is to gather an investment like these will help foster a more stable environment that offended as policies and also benefits israelis
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promise. right. have a chance to discuss other steps that need to be taken by leaders on, on both sides to set a better force for their sure future. as president biden said, we believe the palestinians and israelis equally deserved to live safely and securely, to enjoy the freedom opportunity and democracy to be treated with dignity, that press conference, israel caretaker prime minister benjamin netanyahu born that his country will have a powerful response. if a mass breaks a sci fi, we discussed also how to improve the lives in the conditions of the palestinians. the managerial conditions in gather including the question of the return of our m. a's and to civilians were there, as for peace itself with the palestinians, a formal peace. i think president and biden was absolutely correct when he said, you're not going to get peace until israel is recognized as an independent jewess
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state. and that is the key. i couldn't agree more. delegation in west africa as regional blocker was step in to resolve molly's new political crisis, offers president prime minister and defense minister. we're all detained by the military or growing international calls for the immediate and unconditional release . iran has announced 7 candidates who approved run for president and next month election. all candidates must be vetted by a panel overseen by ron. supremely the toller ali. how many those making lists include runs judiciary, chief abraham, racy, who run unsuccessfully in the last election. several high profile figures were barred from running, including former president, my mood jet and a former parliament speaker. alright, your state headlines here and not 0. we have more news coming up right after the stream. from talk to al jazeera, we can,
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the army were attacking ring, and now they're attacking everyone in me on my do you regret was like, gosh, we listen. absolutely. nigeria with a woman present, it would be great. we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on sierra news. i anthony. okay, you're welcome to the stream. this is a show, the often says to you, our audience, what story should be would be covering and you sent us the stories and we drive back to the beach, them on the show. that's exactly what happened with dr. trach. he is a doctor and he's a journalist and he said to 98 that inspired this entire episodes, have a look of the targeting of health care facilities and health care workers in times of war all considered possible war crimes. so why is it that is your keeps getting away with this? i myself, am
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a doctor who's worked on the frontline and was as before. and i know the importance of having a safe place to treat the very patients were fleeing the violence. they find themselves in this is why i pitched this topic to sonya, one of the ha, stream producers. and to discuss the impact that these episodes abundance of had on health care workers. and why is it the israel keeps getting away with it and how we can hold them to account for the kinds of committed? so the question we are looking at today is what is left of golf as fragile health care system? you can jump into the conversation by being in the comment section, your thoughts, your experiences, your questions, put them in the comment section. i do my best to feed them in today's program. next, meet our guest. hello to mahmoud. hello to dr. gaston, and hello to we am good to see. all of you may retire international audience who you are and what you do. thank you so much for having me. my name is marcela bee, and i work for are you sure to call me? because for me, as
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a senior program manager and the guys office get to having the san, if people been following your work online, they would have seen you doing surgeries in garza in the past few days or so. it is really good to have you on the stream. we introduce yourself to international audience. thank you. my name is cassandra center, i'm a plastic reconstruct surgeon, an associate professor in conflict medicine. nice to have you and we are welcome back to the stream ramada audience who you are and what you do. thank you. my name is leanne from luca. i'm an assistant professor at the institute of community and public health that is at the university of san i'm just looking at a tweet that you put out and just in the last few hours, m is a barber injured. when i mr. howe hit a car outside his shop, a garage of missiles fired at the crowd that gathered and amputated his right leg and mangled his left leg. today we were able to save his left leg so that he can
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walk again and work again and not be will chair bound. how is that when you know that you have changed, improved someone's life? so the work that we do within reconstructive surgery, particularly in times of war, revolves around an attempt to reduce if not reverse disability that has been caused by the weapons of war. and so in case of this patient, it is critical that he is able to 3 months, 6 months down the line where a prosthetic leg where the right leg used to be at least be able to use the left leg to stand. if he's ever a going to be able to provide for himself or for his family as a barber, which is the only job he knows what to do. and
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that's what we do with adults with children. it's even more difficult because at the end of the day, what you are trying to do is reduce this ability and an ever growing body. and therefore, that's why children with war related injuries require a life time of surgeries because their bodies try to out grow, discard a wounds of the war. and so require repeat surgeries until they reach adult life mahmoud. i was looking at a video that you recorded as you were trying to take essential medical supplies from one place to another place, doing a conflict, basically during during a war situation. i'm going to play that and then asking what it is like when you're in golf when the conflict is happening. but let's have a look at that, that incredibly dangerous journey fest. this is marcela
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b and i am documenting my journey today. going to the warehouse that we have lots of guys, a little more, some drugs and disposal than some loved agents for the ministry of emergency religion that needed right now. i assume it's my duty to show your son was a dummy he was actually one of those things where did mother and fortune between 7 and 4 years old. this is what you're seeing right now. we are currently sorting out and getting them out of the
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warehouse city to be transferred to the of them. i mean, when you're watching that back, will you feel for it the time as you were recording that video showing? this is my work. this is what i need to do. even during a complet i was terrified to be honest with you, and so many of my colleagues and family members who so the video, they could actually told me that we could hear your, your, your beth, and how scared you where i was literally the only one in the streets, going towards the warehouse to release those emergency related, reposition, the, you know, drugs and disposable. otherwise, if those sweater released due to the fact that cancer doesn't have so much stock, the minister of health doesn't have a strategic stock of items. and that's why we come into this picture, we preposition supplies and release them during times of emergencies. those being
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natural disasters or man made like the ones that jeremy wasn't easy and i was really scared, but it was my duty. and i felt obliged to do this journey and video idea just came to my mind just to show the people that are, that we were living. and during those 11 days of our saw some guys and i was like, just to go back if you will, may allow me. so the point of liberty construction as a result of this war, we have been told by the ministry of hand, from initial assessment. so far that's probably more maybe 10 percent of the people who were injured during this war would need blend. reconstruction would need that, you know, limps salvage and limby construction surgeries are things that take 6 months to 3 or 4 years of continuous surgery is continuous rehabilitation and so
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much money that you need to board. and just to say one, him and that lim could see one life. we i'm, there's a lot of activity and conversation on youtube. i want to share some of these thoughts with you. got mommy says, how long does palestine have left regarding medical aid, oxygen, oxygen sterilized equipment? so basically, what is the health care system like right now today? well, the health care some as config as the various constrains and especially i think one thing i mean, do you have to keep in mind the all that the top in the middle of a pandemic and before the hospital is also undergoing like one of the spikes and kinda mac response for the hospitals were already under resource already facing shortages. they've been facing shortages and essential drugs and equipment and human resources throughout the last 14 years, especially with a seizure topic that's been imposed are welcome that's imposed on them. so this is
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something that's to keep in mind that we're already dealing with health system that has been severely constrained and largely by manmade conditions. and i think this is an important point about was brought up. a lot of this is not, it's not because of a natural disaster. like i said, most is like a lot of essential drugs are under stock. there's a reliance on the health care system, sometimes for referrals and other things. lots of permits are denied. there's been a lot of development overall and also applies to the health system. so it's already, it was already in a very bad situation before the latest version of the war. one we've got go ahead. i just want to give you a glimpse of the statistics because numbers are also powerful just before this, these 11 days of assault on gaza, the central drug store of the minister of shared with all organizations that
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monthly report. what you should know is that for the 1st time i joined, madden 2016. and i have been reading those monthly reports frequently. what for the 1st time, ever the essential drugs list that the ministry keeps to save, you know, lives in gaza each 50 percent of shortages. this is, this is harder thick. if this means that 50 percent of the drugs more of life. what does that mean? i'm a mom is if you trying to like if you go into your, your local hospital, shoeing garza, you're going to your clinic. what does that actually mean? 50 percent of drugs not available. so you are you turning people away? basically what that means is that half of the rugs that are needed for your treatment aren't available. that's why organizations such as me because it for understands and others squeeze. and we have yearly budgets to try and help them ministry salvage some of these drugs and medical dispose of. and i just want to
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give you an example to date. you know, just before i joined this show, i received an appeal from the ministry of health to procure filters for him or they under says patients for kids specifically under the age of 13, that need their kidneys watched. without those filters, 25 children and guys have their lives endangered. it simply means that a single drug, quite a single disposable that is not available in gaza, could cause a fatality morbidity or a long term disability. that's the unfortunate situation that we actually did that . but as i've seen, you talk to reporters while you actually operating in a theater, but these shortages are supplies. what does that mean to you when you're operating to your cliques or your writing? so it, it, it to fold. it means that you are using equipment that is well beyond its shelf
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life. re sterilizing surgical equipment that actually a should have been thrown away and replaced a long time ago. and you are making do with at equipment that is not meant for use for that specific case. but you improvise and you provide the best possible service i want to, to, to be basically what we need to keep going back to is this idea that actually, whether it's the siege or this war or the previous wars which is really military leaders of, you'd refer to the fast as moving the law is a man made disaster and it is a process that is very akin to a titration experiment where you titrate life and death. and the aim of the siege is to maintain that people in gaza at a reduced level of life,
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slightly above death. and the crippled and disabled health system is one of believers that is used in this titration to ensure that a diminished quality of life in gaza. to ensure the persistence of a humanitarian crisis, which allows the debate to be shifted away from any political roots of the problem, to how many pieces of of medication we brought in. how many hours of electricity do we have? how much drugs and medical teams that you bring in and what is the caloric intake of a family in gaza rather than the political roots of the crisis? which is what the debate is it should be about should be about the
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return of the palestinian refugees about the history of the creation of gaza, the biggest refugee camp. but what the intentional humanitarian crisis does is it shifts the whole debate and creates a debate that revolves around drugs and goals and syringes and doctors, as if you are living as, as we said in a natural disaster, rather than a man made continuous titration of death i don't think you will not allow me. don't have good we, i'm you go 1st mamma, you go 2nd guy who knows is going to, i'm just about point and i think this is part of the problem and this, and this is also when we're focusing that conversation strictly on humanitarianism
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. we're actually moving away from the root causes and in public health. this is what we are supposed to be focusing on, and we need political solutions for these things. and it's not only that we are distracted by this conversation, but the thing of, you know, this is before such a fall and you know, and less than 14 years piece. and there was a really popular post by, by this young artist. and that's where she felt that she's now 21 years old. and she's gone through this for the 4th time. and i think we need to be asking ourselves not, and how much equipment we actually need to allow. and, but we need to be asking ourselves why is that? we're still talking about this. why is about the situation of continuing with no accountability for those who are responsible? and that's primarily israel as long as go ahead. what i would like to say that while i totally agree with doctor our son and we, we as humanitarians and organizations in the field, we are actually faced by those struggles daily of the people and gods. we like
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people come knocking at our doors and asking us for humanitarian assistance. that's why it's important to provide aid, but at the same time to tack developmental issues. but i encourage organization. so i have strong advocacy, strong campaigns, and be able to add bruce, you know, those causes and we all know what the root cause of this is socio economic status if you are affecting a gods with more than 50 years of occupation and 14 years of located you're affecting the economy and that is at the effect that is the head of punish teens negatively why it is important that we keep focusing on humanitarian plus developmental work. while also trying to address with causes, i hear origin gas fishes got to be a conversation about politics as well as it's going to be
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a conversation about medicine because they'll to you, you bought out. we bought that out too. these are some tough thoughts happening on youtube. i'm going to ask you to react them very quickly. so we can get in as much as possible. michelle says how much i can afford to give people bomb shelters, but they can afford to give them plastic surgery. dr. response so i am older than high mass, and i remember israelis were killing palestinians in plaza before 88 and before 82. and you know, before i was born and before the p, a low was born and 65. gaza was under attack by continues is rady rates. there was a big massacre in newness when ariel sharon, as a young commander and these really army, led a raid into her newness in 56 and killed. over
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a 1000. people lined them up against the wall and shot them. so this idea that a kind of music view of gaza history as starts and ends with us. the other issue is plastic surgery is reconstructive surgery. you know, if you cannot use your hand, you cannot use your hand, you cannot use your hand. it means that your, your income generating ability diminishes greatly. it means that your life is heading in a trajectory. that's my barber needs classic surgery. so he can stand up not so that he can pace this and a little large but know so he can feed himself and his children so he can try to undo even by what ever measure that we can give him the damage
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that the weapons of war has been shifted on his body and his life. so this idea that these people are having some kind of luxury surgery is false and insidious a can i can i add also some things that the viewers must know. doctor or son is actually visiting guys that i know he's not phasing guys. he is dr. now, the best plastic surgeon that guys has does that doesn't have a place sort of plastic surgeons. the only one who was said is really qualified, retired a few months ago. this is not a luxury. people are suffering due to the occupation and due to the located the block. it has prevented people from going outside and gaining their degrees. and you know, knowing those nice specialities in order to be able to help the guys that does not have so much plastic surgeon and this goes on for all other sub specialities. we
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are suffering hugely from the lack of medical professionals. and by the way, we don't have shelters from bumps and garza, i'm going to move on to i'm going to move on because we're almost at the end of this program. i want to get in a few more thoughts. no, no need to apologize. i. i would have you on for hours on monday, if i was able to hear. com says i want to know how we can restore the facilities in hospitals, which goes hand in hand with some of our community that we reached out to to awesome about recovery on the gaza strip. have a little when i have got the fight, haskin forces got them. i was like, oh my god. it's finally over. there will be no more distraction. there will be no more to kelly or n g or on beings. i feel relieved, but i know i have a lot of trouble in the next day. does a starting the process of feeling and recovery. this includes medical supplies and
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other humanitarian aid finally coming in to gaza. and if we are beginning to plan for also rehabilitating the health infrastructure and 17 primary health care centers need to be rebuilt or repaired, the central lab is starting to function again. so there is a chance the health system will at least partially recover mama and once again we find ourselves as an international community, asking people in gaza. what do you need to recover? what do you need? we need loads and loads of forks and those are including one if you're fords, advocacy efforts and all that. but i just hate the word resilience as a senior. i have been living in garza and i have been described as there is any and individual definition of resilience mean bouncing back to the previous state that
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we were. but after those 11 days of a sort, you're talking about live in facilities that were severely damaged, including one that is totally wiped out. and more and more destruction that is happening. bouncing back to the previous status go is inadequate because you are talking about 80 percent of the population dependent of 18. 61 percent of the us are unemployed drugs and dispose of as are continuous shortages. what are we bouncing back to? what are we recovering back to? we really need to address what causes as doctor i sent, and we said in order for us to be able to rebuild back better, not bouncing back to the previous state. so don't notice they are like there is don't are fatigue and guards that it has been on the block it for 14 years. some of the donors say we have been supporting you for 14 years without any you know, think tangible on the ground. that's because we are under a blockade, you need to put in funds in guys the strip to enhance the infrastructure to address
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other issues with him for guarded with start out. he's what drugs with disposable. and after that, people can think of developmental work and actually enhancing the system to standards that are there with international ones. i just want to share this with you. a gas, israel garza see, slide doesn't mean the idea should be excused for striking health facilities. that piece was written by doctor watch. he was the doctor who suggested that we do this program in the 1st place. we em, we've talked about this disaster for garza's health care system which has been struggling anyway. what about accountability? will that i mean, as judging by past occasions, there's probably going to be very little if any accountability and i think this is what's really important to us. and it's really important to actually push that. and what's been different this time around is that there has been more immobilization,
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their health, and their health and more calls for accountability. we do have tools at our disposal, but they're not being used as consistently as the exception to that rule and their legal analyst. if these attacks and health facilities could qualify as war crime and what we do need to keep in mind and we're talking about and i think there is a false parallel that's actually sometimes made between panels of capabilities and israel pick food is there is one of the lead military powers in the globe, and also one of the lead producers of military technology. so they have the precision technology that they actually market as being bottle tested. if they wanted to avoid these sandwiches, they could have to reason this continues over and over again is precisely because of that lack of accountability. we em hassan mahmoud. thank you so much of being on our program today for helping us understand got a health care system and where it stands right now you cheapest. i appreciate your
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