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boss and earlier our prime minister netanyahu that the united states will notify congress of our intention to provide $75000000.00 in additional development and economic assistance. for the palestinians in 2021 will also provide the 5 and a half $1000000.00 in immediate disaster assistance for gaza and a little over $32000000.00 for unrest, emergency you mandatory and appeal. the white house and the kremlin have confirmed the us president joe biden, and russian president vladimir putin will meet in geneva. next month. summit comes from a growing tension between the 2 nation biden, as described russia as the biggest threat to us security. the leaders will discuss the full range of pressing issues as we seek to restore predictability and stability to the us russia relationship and to more specific to your question. we expect they will spend a fair amount of time on strategic stability where the arms control agenda goes
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following the extension of new start. obviously, we're both members of the p 5 plus one as well as those negotiations are going present. will also raise ukraine, underscoring america support for ukraine, sovereignty and territorial integrity. and he will also plan to raise bell roofs and conveyor, grave concerns as he has now done publicly. international community is calling for the immediate release of molly's president and prime minister after a former cooley to ousted them and took control of the country. the interim vice president, colonel, se me. goiter who had a minute to take over last year, accused them of violating transitional government agreement, frances threatening sanctions, and as cool for an urgent un security council meeting. the stream is up next, looking at the uncertainty faith by syrian refugees in denmark to stay with us. if you can. morning fi after that by for me.
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ah i asked the okay to day on this stream, refugee is not welcome. in denmark, the temporary residency state has given to syrian refugees is currently being reviewed by the danish government. this means that some refugees from syria may have to go back to syria, have to leave denmark, or perhaps will be detained in immigrant centers for an indefinite amount of time, neural danes. so our on board with this many have hit the streets to protest in favor of refugee rights. i mean,
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i think it's very puzzling for most pain. why are government seems to want to take the lead in for thinking back into the hands of a dictator? if i'm thinking back when i was 18 years old, i would have been sent to some country with some wars rating. and while the rest of my family would be in another country extremely far away, and i don't like that. and that's one of the last question. that we're looking at today is, is denmark abandoning syrian refugees. if your own youtube, you can jump to the comment section, comment, and ask questions of i guess and be part of today show. let's meet the guest hello to mckayla. hello. f was and hello t neil's. i'm going to get all my gas to say who they are and tell us what they do . do you mikaela is good to have you on the stream. can you explain what you to my
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name is mikayla ben dickson and the head and founder of a small, into and in law called refugees. welcome. and we work for full refugees rights and denmark. thanksgiving hello for was welcome to the stream. introduce yourself. hello, my name is for was that the, i'm a civilian activist and the refugee from syria. welcome and her niels get to have you on board as well, and choose yourself to i international audience. thank you and good evening. my name is natal. i'm the editor in chief of the web magazine, the p u, which is a social democrat, a web magazine in denmark, gulf, a hassle. well, let's start with what is happening with seeing refugees right now in denmark. would you say that many are we know the very vulnerable position because it leads to review effect temporary residential status. it was always going to be temporary, wasn't that? well, it was, it wasn't, it was, it wasn't from the start to be a temporary, actually, because when, when the syrian came to denmark, it was the,
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the integration contract that was 5 years. and according to the low, it's like, you know, in the way to, to be so the life of the surgeon, but after all of these legislations or decisions from these governments, so they put to people's life on the unstable daily anxiety. i'm just wondering why the danish government is reassessing syrian refugees are right now. neil's in in denmark. what's happened to make the situation different for the government to say, i think some, some of the, some refugees they can go back to syria right now. well, 1st of all is actually the government decisions. we have a refugee appeals bought who take these decisions and it's based on the laws passed by most partisan the danes parliament. so,
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so that's the reason for it. i think the, the logic behind it is that if you want to make room for refugees in denmark, then the refugees who no longer needs protection. well, they would have to leave denmark. and i was have to address that. no one that's actually being deported or census syria, but if you residents permit and denmark gets revoked, well then you will be asked to leave benmark. and if you refuse to leave denmark, well then you will have to go to the departure center us. i'm just going to bring in the smokes person for the social democrats who's summing up a little sense of how the social democrats are thinking about refugees in denmark. have a lesson for me. yes. it's was all, most every asylum's he got a right and then michael ended up as an immigrant and the mac and ended up staying in denmark and we have had increased integration
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problems, challenges since live in 1900 navies lack of employment, high criminality rates, cultural pleasures so on and we don't want to increase these problems every year. mikayla, what i'm hearing various, this concern that refugees might turn into immigrants and then they have going to be permanently part of danish society. is they genuinely a problem with that? it sounded from the social democrats perspective that there was a problem and the refugees will trouble while they used to be a problem, the ones who came in the a to they didn't integrate as well as the newcomers because we didn't really have a well functioning integration system back them, but we have that now. it's actually working better than ever. and that's why it's so stupid to change the rules right now. and i have to say refugees is a long term thing. if you ask the you and hcr,
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which are the experts in this world about refugees, they will say refugees in general and need a protection for 17 years. and i don't think anybody agrees that the refugees should be returned after 17 years in the country. so refugee is not a temporary thing, it's not something that you, you can't say that you're a refugee one year or 2 years. you are probably probably going to be a reference for a long time and maybe your whole life. yes. and maybe even the next generation, that's how it is if you look back over history. so this new idea of temporary t is just not possible. it's a misunderstanding of the whole concept of refugees and what they have run away from. and with the syrians, it's extreme, i mean, syria isn't, isn't worth humanitarian state. now that then during the war, in many ways, they have nothing to come back to these people. and they supposed to go back to the dictator that they ran away from to build up his country that he bombed. that's an
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absurd idea. coming from the social democrats really. what like like to like to put to people's life. if i might interfere. like it's the people, well, we are tweaking people instead of be in humans like put them in the situation like absurd them and the society instead of you know, help them to claim again their humanity instead of put them, put them in the cases and boxes and threats through them like you know, numbers it's, it's not anymore like human beings, it's numbers for the government and how many, how many been revoked and how many came and how many out and how many we are. we are talking about human life, human lives. we sent them to, to the, to the gates of health nielsen's mikella go ahead. i'm really curious cuz news is what the scribbling notes down. as you're
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speaking to the camera, you go 1st and then neil's. i needed to articulate those notes, share them with the world, mikella gas. go ahead. if you look at some of the people who have actually lost the, the residents from it so far, it's very few so far but, but we have a clear pets of who they are. many of them young women, some of them mothers and older women with, with children. they already integrated into society, many of them and they are losing their family members who didn't lose their permit to stay here. so they, this law and this practice is splitting up families and this concept of a refugee taking up space of somebody else is just ridiculous in my view for what is not taking up a space for anybody else. he's working in denmark, he's a great resource to denmark. i'm so happy that he's here and we have enough base pull all these refugees that we have taken. we didn't take that many, you know,
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we have a very, very low rate of refugees compared to the rest of europe. mil, just not have any space for these references. turning into immigrants is just like there's no faith in denmark. you need to go back to syria. i think there's a lot of public support for helping refugees in denmark, but there's not a lot of public support for, for having a huge immigration that the country can control. and i'm a say make it, i wish it were right, but this integration is not working so well if you look at on employment and crime and things like that. well, it looks pretty bleak. and i think that's the point that then mike has a welfare state, which means that you are entitled to, to some, some internet lavish conditions content compared to a lot of places. and. and if you go back 40 years ago, there was a round, 50000 non western immigrants in denmark analysis around half a 1000000. and i know to american listeners that might not be very much. but,
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but in denmark which has around 6000000 population, that's actually the biggest demographic shift ever in danish history. you have to go back to the, i'm a to something and they're simply not public support to continue having an immigration in that magnitude. and i think that the thing that you arrived in pointing out what is happening right now is that these refugees, they turn into immigrants and i cannot perfect. i'll stand that. and i would do that the same if i wasn't that can do the situation. but i will put something to you because i'm not going to like you to read your entire notepad because we, we, we want to talk to each other. so this is sarah. she seemed human rights watch. and she is saying that it is not safe right now. for syria, refugees to go back to syria, have a listen to a point and then respond directly off the back of human rights watch, has documented ongoing violations in damascus and damascus countryside that relate
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to the ruth causes her wise syrian refugees had misplaced. this includes arbitrary arrest and miss treatment by all parties of the conflict, including the syrian security services, catastrophic humanitarian conditions, lack of lack of health care, access, lack of shelter, lack of food, continued abuses, experienced by hearing population inside the damascus in damascus, governor it all leading us to the conclusion that syria and the mask or not safe for return. no, go ahead. well, i can totally understand that argument, but there's a lot of places, sadly in the world, dictators, and they don't have good conditions. you could also argue what about people who lives in baghdad? what about people who live in san on yemen? what about people who live in mogadishu and, and felons decision is that the country in the world are rude by dictators. and i
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wish that you ok, we're sending people back to the title from than once it's is being sent back. but if you do lose your residents permit and denmark, well then you will have a denmark. i'm in, but that, that different reasons. but getting residents probably not the vendor for security, then you will not have the rest of the permanent vote. but if you flatter ball and general violence and the area came from, there's no more war. there's no more violence leasing that magnitude. well then, the chance that the, the refugee appeals board will re offend your reference permit, but it doesn't make it make sense to send an old woman like i just received the message today as an old woman. her son is a danish citizen and and her then been revoked today. how, how does that make sense? and in another world, again, we are, we are going back to,
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to immigration. and it's like again, we treat people like a gog and, and some something of a fricking the society and did demographic is changing and something human beings life. and he was sending them back to the war zone, whatever. wherever they came from it's, it's a problem. it's a threat in their lives and i put in them under some people exaggerated and call and it's, it's psychological terror daily in these people's life. they can't go to school, they are anxious about about their, their home, their life and back home it. so after 17 years after all of the reports, and then you are, you are saying about the human rights that watch report and in the situation on syria, inferior that this is argument and this is not argument, this is, this is
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a report and they are, it's not like, you know, some, i'm not sure who are making this decision if organization and saying that the situation in syria is not safe for people to return. and if i will go, if i may have a few seconds for michelle, it said refugees at least need 17 years to you can't ask a person who build his new life in and the new society 17 years. ok. you don't have a place here. go back to so he is not accepted here and not accepted in, in the home country if we call the home country. guess if i may, i want to bring in the, i'll fire out family to, to give you an example. i was gave you 11 example for from this week this is the alpha yard family. so mom and the 2 daughters are being told they have to leave denmark. the songs are allowed to stay in denmark,
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because if they went back to syria, they will be recruited into the army would have died. lemme have a look at her story. have a listen to our family. when of a half a shot for ya, i'm scared of returning to syria of this regime that killed my husband and his brother. and i'm scared of being arrested. they may ask me, where are your sons? they must do military service. i came to them and i was settled. but now i am not because i might have to go back to syria. no. the dinner on alice for you. for me more when as true, i expected her to be able to stay. i could never imagine her not being able to stay . my mother is sick and she's very depressed. i could never imagine her license not being extended, nor my 2 little sis. my eyes to moisture falling. he's over to guess we have audience watching on youtube right now. they have some questions for you. i'm going to ask you to respond very briefly so we can get in as many as possible. i will
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says, why did the danish government taking these refugees in the 1st place if they couldn't give them protection mikaela to have a stop at that one? well, the danish government is trying to balance on a, on a very, very narrow line of human rights. because on one's on one hand, they want to follow the rules and not be expelled from the international society. on the other hand, they're trying to please voters which are becoming more and more in fabric it because of many reasons. and mainly because of the social democrats and other parties turning around on this issues. so they're trying to keep kind of a balance, so they will revoke some of the resident permits and not others. and in this way, split up families, which is crazy. and i think this family that we so live here is a good example of what we're talking about. because the mother will, will obviously be hard to integrate in denmark. she will have
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a hard time learning danish and finding a job here because it's not easy. but the young man and her and his young sisters, of course they will be a resource and an asset to denmark and they can integrate easily. there is no reason to split up this family and refugees is not about integration only or about the benefit of the whole country. it's about protecting, protecting human lives, as was also said, it's about too many terry and rulers and about respecting human life. and yes, there are many people in danger all over the world as mills mentioned before. and of course, we can't take all of them. but it's a fact that 85 percent of the refugees in the world in the developing countries, because we've very, very few. i have, i want to put a few more youtube questions because all of you are inspiring more thoughts and, and then really want to understand what's going on in denmark. tapes. this is few
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nills off. each country has the right to choose who comes and stays, and who doesn't. then what has the right to do what it's doing right now. we'll go ahead think briefly and, well, well, yeah, it does. but what we have seen for the last 40 years and denmark is that we have had what we call an asylum migration where asylum seekers to become immigrants. and i think that the refugee conventions were made at a time when the norm was that the refugees would go back when there was peace in their own country where a lot of germans after the 2nd world war and they went back to germany afterwards. so it's a fairly new thing, and i think that has changed a lot. and also it wrote the public support for helping refugees, because as for the case, refugees to become immigrants in denmark, what i'm seeing between the gastro, you'll see a movie speaking for robin killer and nodding their heads. we're seeing a deep 4 lines between how they see migration and the impact of while refugees can
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have a country and whether it's positive and negative. we see that place. but let me just get back to this current because i'm not opposed to immigration, but i think that denmark needs to have control over who gets to immigrate as immigrants as a resource in the country. so you don't want the ones who are already in the country to stay that i think that when you give asylum, you give it to people who i need of protection. and there's a lot of people in the world who need and protection. so if people don't you protected anymore, i think that this will give up the place to someone who i need to protect because a lot of people in the world who do not receive the protection that they need off. yeah. that nothing of the had going all again back here. this is from the danish minister of immigration and integration. this is really important. we spoke to the ministry and they were very clear about what's going on right now. assuming
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refugees is a denmark has been open and honest from day one, and the reference permit is temporary and that the public can be revolted if the need for protection ceases to exist. we was earlier disagreeing with that. now the conclusion of the board, whether it was safer, the syrians to go back general security situation. the area in and around the mascot has improved such an extent that the knee for protection for persons who are not individual persecuted, etc, etc. so this is what the danish minister of immigration integration is saying is it is safe, it is safe right now for sue refused to go back to syria. but here's the problem. if they don't go back of their own volition, if that temporary residence status is revoked, they can't go to another country. they are put into an immigration center, and that is problematic. i want to just bring up from one of the people earlier that we spoke to. this is mckayla, put the se, and she's talking about refugees being imprisoned because their temporary status
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has been revoked. have a listen to mikaela, see on refugees refuse to return. voluntarily could end up leaving in the partition camps in denmark even for years. this is far from a durable and sustainable solution. the location of the refugee status is insufficiently grounded to pretty much where they can provide it should have changed and profound and enjoying manner without the precondition to enter into specific, safe parts in order to be protected and free for what. what do you know about these immigration center seats detention centers? well, this is like open open. i don't know, i don't want to exaggerate, but if you have 3 meals a day in this you know, specific times and you are allowed to go out after a permission and this is my knowledge about it and you are not allowed to work. no school, nothing, and maybe whole family will,
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will sit in small room and that is no purpose like they can go to the, to their homeland because their life in danger. and they can't leave here in denmark and have, have the opportunity to take a brace and maybe have a chance to contribute or to reclaim because we are talking from refugee to the immigrant. but we are not talking about refugee who had become a human human being again, knew of, i'm just, i had many of the yeah, yeah, that's it. go ahead and go ahead. i have visited all these camps many times. i just wrote a report which is coming out here in june about the petition camp. and they have just been established with the sole purpose of pressuring people to go back voluntarily. so cold, voluntarily, they deliberately, as,
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as empty and as limbo like as you can make life. there is no activities going on. you're not allowed to work. you're not allowed to study. you can leave, you can, you can walk out the door, but you have to come back within 24 hours and you can't go anywhere because they're very, very remote places. so it's like in many ways, i mean even the prison staff say that it's worse than the real prisons in denmark because of rena placement. you have some rights and you have some activities. you can actually do something with your life and you have a future. and a plan when you get out these places just breaking people down really deliberately to push people to, to vanish or. busy to flee under the ground, and we always do many things, which they do. and i know my one my and never go to these places. i heard the lying, anyone would with envy anyone who placed in one of the sensors. but if there is no
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consequence when your residence permit gets revolt in denmark, if you're allowed to stay and to work and to study and to integrate in data society, well, then you do have migration the well, then why would anyone leave when their residence permit gets are provoked and i can say massage with a lot of blessings. the purpose is so out and but there's some consequences to it. if you say the 7000000 people in syria and i think they all agree that the not all of them would try to get to denmark the west, but, but a sizable portion of the woods. and if you accept that, it just being in a dictatorship, not just but, but being in it, they said that so bad a being in a unstable place that's so bad, resettle other places. well, what about people in and do us? what about people in middle america? what about people in africa? well, what about, that's really a lot of down for me,
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