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evict palestinians of forcibly removed them from their homes to handed over to satler's. exactly the same, main quoted that you did about forcible transfer of refugees. that is the international law position on what is happening in occupied the serious them. of course he is re lease done, except that they have, in terms unilaterally annexed these jerusalem. and they wished to apply israeli law, the national law of the country, of israel in what is internationally recognized as occupied territory with an occupying power that has obligations to refugees. who already been displaced inside that occupied territory. and that is the key point when we spoke to the lawyer in this case that he repeatedly made that he was come strong by having to operate within israeli domestic law. as he put it, saying that, you know,
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every attempt to appeal the decisions have so far failed this final appeal that was to be heard in the ready supreme court. that has yet to take place, even a hearing on whether they will accept that appeal that has yet to take place. it was due to take place on the 10th of may and was postponed because i pretty clearly of the, of the concerns about the growing tensions oversexed your, that have been taking place the weeks up until that point. and of course, that was the day that the escalation with gaza began with those rockets fired out of gaza at jerusalem. so there is in some respects and acceptance by the israeli government, that this is a political situation because the attorney general has inserted himself into this and he has until the age of june to give his own opinion on the situation that at the same time is is where the foreign ministry is talking about this as a private land dispute, an illegal dispute within the israeli system?
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well, you just heard from the head of another that there's nothing of that kind that it is an international law matter that these refugees who face forcible expulsion from the homes that they were given because of the existing refugee status in the 1950s. all right, we'll leave it there. thanks so much. harry faucet from west jerusalem. although i your stories here, we can recap maybe what we've been following here. let's bring some pictures off. we kind of shift your ryan east jerusalem visit there by the underwear. chief felipe that's really denouncing what he calls a force of force eviction and forceful removal of people from their homes, which from the country to national law, is that israel was violating its obligations as an occupying power. it's the stream now we're back at the top. i am sorry,
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should be about raising prices and harley down to the current government. we bring you the stories and developments that are rapidly changing the world. we live in time in that says, i don't have the baby has the task of fixing a war torn economy, counting the cost on al jazeera. ah hello, i sent me okay on the thing today, we explore hidden history. finally, being openly discussed 100 years ago this week, one of the worst massacres in the history of the united states took place during the tulsa race massacre. white americans bombed, hunted down and killed black men, women and children, while burning their homes and businesses to the ground. an african american community once so wealthy that it was described as being black wall street was torn apart. the massacre with them played down to such an extent. it wasn't even mention
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in history. books are taught in schools for decades. and these presses really played a large role in racing, that tulsa reese massacre from living memory. and it's only been last 2025 years. the historians are really sort of digging through some of the documents that are existing to be able to piece together what really happened. and that's why they're there such white estimates on the number of victims. and there are so few accounts existing today in the 1st few years after the event. it was not written about in the, in the newspapers here in tulsa and in fact, on june 1st and 1921. that tells the tribune the cover page with what is thought to be an auditorium about massacre is entirely missing. all existing copies of the paper have that page missing actually physically cut out. and so that sort of set the stage for how the event would then be wiped from the historical record for the following 75 years. what do you want to know about the tulsa race,
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masika and its impact to this very day? if you're on youtube, you can be part of this discussion, jump into the comment section and you can ask, i guess anything. let's meet the guess. hello at lisa. hello, carlos. hello laura is so good to have you on the scene and this, this historical week. i'm a lisa in the context of the tulsa race masika. introduce yourself to our global audience. hello, i'm anna lisa bruner, the great granddaughter of mary elizabeth jones parish, tulsa race massacre, survivor offer of a nation must awake, nicely seattle. lisa, thanks for being with us. hello, carlos, hello audience, who you are? hi, my name is carlos marino. i'm the author of the victory of greenwood, which tells readers about the founding of greenwood and it's historical figures up until the present day. get to have had
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a door in the context of the tulsa race masika. introduce yourself to international students. hello, i'm laura pitter. i'm the deputy director of the u. s. program at human rights watch, and we've offered a report called the case for reparations. in tulsa, oklahoma, get to have the gas analissa and call us in order to understand what happened in greenwood, in tulsa. you have to appreciate what an extraordinary place it was. i am not sure if the, the descriptions i've seen. the pictures i've seen have been slightly exaggerated. here was such an amazing place. cos. what did you know about that? what do you want to share with us about greenwich festival? well, greenwood was an amazing place. booker t washington, the very famous historian, author, speaker, at the time in 1917 did name this place, the negro wall street,
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and the name has stuck with the neighborhood ever since. it was $36.00 blocks of an incredible business district that had just an inspiring amount of wealth and vibrancy. enjoy. and i see your great grandmother wrote an account of what happened in the tulsa race masika. did she also talk about what greenwood was like? yes, she did. she came to tulsa from rochester, new york, and she said that she was drawn not only by opportunities to make money, but by the sense of cooperation and community that was so strong. there, there were civic organizations, churches, places where people could participate and feel the full expression of their american citizenship in freedom and insecurity. so these are the elements of tulsa greenwood district that drove her there and others. i mean,
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to be clear, this was segregated america, this is why there was a black neighborhood and then across the train tracks there was a white neighborhood. so if we go back to june of 1921, was started one of the worst race massacres in history in the united states history color. he start and then on a lisa, i want you to tell us who the eyes of your great grandmother call us. go ahead. yeah, so me, i think one of the things that we need to understand is that this city was segregated by law. there was a housing ordinance that was passed in 1916 that said that if there was a neighborhood where white people were living, that a black family could not live there. so this segregation was structural was systemic in nature and greenwood needed to build its own neighbourhood out of
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necessity. yes, it was a thriving neighborhood. yes, it was an inspiration throughout the nation. but it was a neighborhood that was built out of necessity because this black community was segregated from the rest of the city. and so what? yeah, so, so i'm offense. i am from the segregation. we're going back a 100 years. it is a segregated america on lisa, what did your great grandmother say started this race masika? well, there was an underlying condition, simmering racial tensions. there was some land left on the part of city fathers who wanted to take over greenwood. and what we can understand from history now is that there was a precipitating event, but it was a pretext. there was a young man by the name of dick roland 19 years old, who was in an elevator downtown in the dressel building. 17 year old sarah page was
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the white, young woman who was operating the elevator. some event happened within the confines of the elevator. she let out a scream, the door opened, he fled, knowing the consequences of even the perception of a young black man saying something awkward to a young white woman. and so he had, she ran, she was later arrested and taken to the jail slash court house. where there was sewn as soon after the assembly of a mob who threatened to lynch him. black people responded, and the conflagration began. but it was a pretext. he was never fully prosecuted and found guilty of any crime. she refused to participate in any case against him. and so it was
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exactly a pretext for what people had wanted to do all along and according to some research, really yes, go to college college, go ahead pace. now i just, i really appreciate the framing of the conversation that just laid out because it's very important to know that the story between dick roland and sarah page was not the cause of the master. that this is an event that was pre planned, that tells a police deputized $200.00 people. the national guard supplied 2 branches, 2 divisions to evacuate the neighborhood of greenwood. there were businessmen who supplied fuel for the airplanes that bomb to this neighborhood. and so all of this, there were 3 detention camps that were set up to in term 6000 people. so we need to understand that all of this was planned ahead of time. and all of this
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was done in cooperation with, with the city officials at the time. and researchers believe that the young man who was in the left with a young woman that the lift of the elevator jerked and he accident a bumped into her. and she panicked and started to scream, when a white woman screams and a black man runs out of an elevator in 1921. that is never a good thing. and so when he was putting to jail a whole bunch of white locals stood outside the jail asking to lynch, and i want to kill him there. and then, and then coming down the street were black americans. some of them were from well one with guns and then that that resistance set up what you then described. carlos, what did your great grandmother say about this anna lisa, what did she say in how was i'll tell you what she said and what she saw.
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her young daughter, 7 years old, was at the window. my great grandmother had been teaching in her teaching school for typewriting and secretarial services. my grandmother, the young girl in the window called her her mother. mother, i see me with guns, with a great urgency. my great grandmother sprang to her feet and she looked out and she saw people advancing with torches. people passing by an automobile with guns hanging out, committing drive by shootings. actually there were planes overhead as carlos have mentioned. and my grandmother, my great grandmother, prayed to have guidance. you know, if what is what you can well imagine was a life or death. quandary should i remain in my home where it can be burned to death, or should i take my chances and amongst the flying bullets outside, she thought it would be better. she says to die in the street from bullet shot than
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to be the subject of incendiary devices within her home. so she, she ran out onto the street. someone cried out, get out of the street with that child, or you both will be killed. she ran north, seeking refuge at a house of a friend farther up. and we do know now that the entire quarter was surrounded. we talk about the guard and the divisions that were deployed. they surrounded the entire district the entire quarter so that they could slaughter people as they ran for their life. so this was an act and a scene of warfare from above, from the st. machine guns were mounted on stand pipe hill, which just out into the northern part of the city and people were mowed down on the street as they ran. no, when you're listening to this from the vantage point of
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a 100 years later, from a human rights watch point of view, what when on there, and what could be the potential accountability? well, so what i guess what i would just add, and it's really wonderful to be on this panel with with carlos and lisa, just because they've contributed or you know what the works that they're discussing or is, you know, it's important. they've made important contributions to what we know about the top rated massacre. it would just say that the, you know, what happened in 1921 was something there was instance, there were, were incidents of racial violence happening all over the country. the tulsa race massacre was one of the worst incidents racial violence in the history of the united states. but these events, and particularly the tulsa race massacre, was precipitated by you know, jealousy and frustration. whenever black people would advance, you know,
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there was this backlash that had been brewing intention had been brewing for some time. so if it was a pretext, there were many reasons why the white mob, you know, use this moment to lash out at the black population of tulsa. but you know, 100 years later the issue is, is that today we still do not have any repair or restitution for what happens. 7 following the massacre, the authorities did nothing to prosecute anyone for the violence that took place. no restitution was provided. the, the people sued to try and get the insurance claims that they had for their, their property and their belongings. they thought for years and course and ultimately lost that battle. but subsequent to the massacre,
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they authorities just tried to cover it up north and i are 100 years and did cover it up for a 100 years. so that's why we don't have justice today. no, let me ask you this because i did invite audience to contribute to the, to the conversation found is williams wants to ask the insurance company, so still around should they be forced to pay up in current dollars, the claims they refuse to pay 100 years ago laura thoughts? absolutely. you know, there are millions of dollars you know, of, of property insured and you know, just because they've avoided being respond ansible for paying back those claims for a 100 years doesn't mean that they should continue to get away with it. yes, more information is coming to light now about what happened during the massacre in the past 20 years, particularly. but the reason it was suppressed for so long was because of intimidation and fear. and if the we let intimidation and fear when out, you know,
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then that certainly is not justice. and even though it's a 100 years later, you know, they're responsible. the authority to responsible in the insurance companies are responsible and the city is responsible for repairing the harm that was done and providing restitution for the property and lives that were lost. absolutely as much today as they were. then let's go to this, this movement, this growing movement that is picking out some steam about reparations accountability and justice. i was introduced to violet viola fletcher and also hughes uncle. read fun, ellis, 2 of 3 survivors from the tulsa race massacre. he, they all may the 19th a, talking about their experiences during the massacre to the house judiciary subcommittee have a listen analog i will never forget the balance of my mom. when we live
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our home, i still see black men see and being shot black line in the street and i still smell smoke and see far i still see lag visions is the and burn. i still hear airplanes flying overhead. i hear the screams, live through the nascar every day. counter may forget this history, but i cannot the also the math school math fan driven. we were left with nothing. lee was made in our own cut. and lisa, so when we're talking about reparations, we're talking about reparations fee. you and your family and all of your relatives as well. what would that look like?
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i think that's a very important point, but more urgently. these people are over 100 years old, and we must address reparations for them even on an emergency basis, if necessary, so that they can live out their days and dignity and security, the security that was rested from them, as mister van ellis's, making them homeless and leading them with nothing. there also lost their sense of security and belonging. these people need to be made whole immediately with cash payments. that's my opinion. and everything else is still for discussion, but i do in general support cash payment. and this as the 1st step toward the broader discussion of reparation in cash or enslavement. cut off.
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absolutely, i mean we think of this conversation of reparations as being new but as early as june, 2nd of 1921, the tulsa chamber of commerce, admit that this was a wrong that the city had done to the community of greenwood and that the city had a responsibility to pay reparations, and a fund was begun as early as june, 2nd of 1921. it was 2 weeks later on june 15th, that the committee was forced to resign under political pressure from the mayor and from the city commission. so here is a city who has admitted directly after the event that it owed the community of greenwood payment to repair this damage. and here we are a 100 years later and that promise has not been fulfilled. no,
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i'm just going to go ahead law. i would just add to that, you know, 20 years ago, a state back commission that thoroughly for 4 years investigated. the massacre made recommendations that that direct payment should be made to survivors in descendants . and that was their priority recommendation. they made 3 other recommendations, but that was their 1st priority. 20 years later that still has not happened. and, you know, at the time when that recommendation was made, there were more than 100 survivors still alive. so i fully agree that at minimum, they need to provide direct payments to the living survivors that we know today of which only 3 remain unfortunately. but then the comprehensive plan. yeah, i need to say that one more time because you are speaking over look ahead. i'm so
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sorry i did want to add one thing. i'm sorry, i didn't realize that you had not finished mare, bye, know, of tulsa recently said, should people today be punished for the acts of certain criminal in the past? that is a disingenuous argument. number one, it wasn't just some random criminal, we're talking about, you know, the city fathers themselves, people who had a vested business interest and so forth. and what eventually happened in greenwood . but also, how can we think about framing the issue of making people hold as a punishment? i would invite those who consider who would consider this a punishment to open your mind in your heart and to understand it's an opportunity to make your sit your fellow citizen whole as you see that they are suffering and have suffered and, and this is an ongoing issue, but think about looking at your neighbor, your compatriot, if you will,
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and thinking how you can contribute to making them whole restoring and repairing what has happened. my biggest challenge right now and lisa and carlos and laura is, i don't know how did you put a cost on murdering over 300 people and moving them out of their neighborhood and destroying their neighbor. i don't know how you put a financial price on that, but i do know that if you look tulsa right now, the people who were left in what used to be black wall street, there were major issues. this is a human rights watch piece about what urban renewal looks like. a what was and what is now still greenwood have a listen, have a look. carbon removal. government calls that oven renewable. i call it over and removal. came through this community like they did in so many other black community
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and literally destroyed greenwood each time they were denied an opportunity to create some generational wealth. and so our families don't know the same generational wealth that they knew in greenwood la, briefly. how do you put a price on the kind of law that happened 100 years ago? i don't think you can ever put a price on it or repair anyone with, you know, monetary compensation. but it certainly is, is what can be done to try to remedy or repair to the extent as possible today? if you're talking about, you know, we know, we know what property was lost, we know what insurance claims existed. and you know, we can at least try and make, you know, people whole, to the extent we can with some kind of compensation or restitution. we do it's good
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public policy and we do it all the time when we compensate people for police violence, for example. it's not an unheard of or foreign concept. it's well established in international human rights law and it's well established in us law. right. i'm wondering up on, on something that kind of thing you brought to our attention. the story of greenwood is not about the massacre. it's about the resilience of the area and it's come back, carlos. yeah, you know, that is something that state representative dawn was said in the mid 1997. i fully believe it. the community of greenwood did rebuild after this horrible event. they did so at great cost to themselves. as laura mentioned earlier, the insurance companies would not pay the banks would not pay, the city would not pay. and so greenwood was really left to its own devices. and yes, there is film footage from 1924 of this being a thriving community. once again,
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there's film footage from 1948 to 1952. this being a thriving community and urban renewal comes along and billed to highways through the neighborhood. and so yet again, we see that 50 years later this generational wealth that and lisa discussed was, was taken away from the community once again. and so i think that also needs to be added into the conversation about reparations. and you know, we see the french government and german governments today dealing with this issue of paying back the damage that they have done to the countries that they have colonized. and so reparations have been paid by us, for example, to the jack is an internment camps. and so now i think this is not what i'm saying . yeah, i have here. take a look at my laptop. the victory of free word is call us this book,
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and then you can find out about an ally says great grandma, of the nation must awake and the details here right here, my laptop, and lisa carlos laura, you cheapest. i mean, part of today shall see you next time. in the next episode of science and the golden age, i'll be exploring the contributions made by scholars during the medieval period in the field of astronomy. copernicus owes this day to these medieval astronomers from the golden age actually in many ways with the computers that you can use it to find the time you could navigate science in a golden age. with jimmy sally on, jesse, you know, it's all to familiar innocent lives ended in an instant then grief, anger and the debate around firearms. but for survivors and families of the fallen
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