have improved back home, they say to grass continue to be targeted because if they have many problems are being reported and all becomes taken refuge conditions here. last time. i . $1200.00 g m t. here on al jazeera, come all santa murray with the headlines. indonesia has recorded its highest daily increasing curve at 19 cases. more than 21000 new infections registered on saturday . there were also $358.00 death over night. denisia has the highest number of infections and fatalities in se, asia, president joker, we go to says the countries facing an extraordinary situation. let's hear from bang, bang, honeymoon t t who is a public policy analyst who says some hospitals in indonesia are already operating

full capacity. i'm afraid they're actually quite a bit of panic now, because i think most of the hard to tell has to be 100 percent of their capacity. in fact, just in a book cassie a little out of the 100 feet. so you can see outside people waiting on the then even on, you know, on, on the car sleeping on the street because they were waiting to be on prior roster daughter so they can be known way that they can be treated or not. so many hospitals already the 100 percent, even the cemetery services are now being over capacity. so in thing, don't get better soon. we saw a great that we will reach a breakdown in many cities around indonesia, the country,

and therefore really have a lot down. because early in the game, the government considered a lot down as a politically not right, because it's, it gives them to send that there. were they get into the opposition. so politically speaking, lot down is kind like taboo word. war. the government discarded it as you are in opposition side if you who swore a locked down. so it is very sad when public policy issues is very much what it does. i still in the asia pacific, millions of people in and around australia's largest city sydney had been ordered into a 2 week locked down sydney and the site of new south wales which is seeing a fast growing cluster of the highly infectious delta cove at 19 variant the one 1st identified in india, you sealant has suspended its travel bubble with australia for several days. we're

going to do these, we need to do it properly. there's no point doing it's rate. i locked down and then having the bars continue to bubble away in the community. now, if after 7 days, there's a dramatic change in the trend. well, obviously we'll evaluate the situation, but at the stage the best tilted box we had is that a 2 week period or until mid not the friday, the 9th of july is necessary in order to make sure we get to our target of your community transmission, which is always been our target from the beginning of the pandemic. onto other headlines 38 workers from doctors without borders have been killed in ethiopia, ticket i region. they bodies were found near the vehicle on friday. the group included a spanish national along with 2 of her colleagues lives 128 work as have been killed in take license, fighting broke out in november early our diplomatic as to james bass asked the un secretary, general spokesman for his response to these license killings. we cannot condemn strongly enough attacks on humanitarian workers,

humanitarian workers, whether in t gray or in south sudan, we've talked a lot about that as well. are all too often targeted with we fear the goal of scaring away humanitarians. but what it does is it denies. men, women, and children who need help the help that they need. so we sent our condolences to our colleagues at mid us awful. you and members of iraq's popular mobilization forces have held rally in deanna province, a show forced by the umbrella of sheer paramilitary groups that had been blocked from holding earlier protests. in may, the government arrested the leader of a p. m. f group and, and the province later releasing him without charge. you're up to date with the headlines on to the era. the bottom line was state clemons next. ah,

hi, i'm steve clements, i have questions. why are so many americans refusing to go back to their old jobs and this is creating a labor crisis. let's get to the bottom line, ah, of all the side effects of the corona virus pandemic. this may be the one that affects the economy. most millions of american workers are staying away from the service jobs that actually make america run. that's retail stores and restaurants, truck drivers. you name it across the board. businesses say they're desperately looking for new employees and there are millions and millions of job openings. but folks just aren't interested in some places you can get $50.00. that's a lot just for showing up for a job interview and others, you get a $1000.00 signing bonus. fast food and gas stations are offering double the national minimum wage in some places, but there's still aren't enough acres. economists say this is really slowing down america. he can amik recovery from the pandemic and it's driving up inflation.

meaning the cost of everything is going up. but why are people reassessing their lives after the global pandemic? and deciding that, staying at home with their family or just retiring, is more important than their old job. or are they happier to stay at home and receiving unemployment check rather than work? as many republican governors are saying. today we're talking to melissa swift, the global leader for workforce transformation at the management consulting firm, corn, ferry, and jeremy robins, the executive director of the research and lobbying group, new american economy. thanks to both of you for joining us today. let me just out and ask melissa right now we have this picture. it's very interesting, after talking for so long about those workers who were displaced during this pandemic. we're now getting to the other side of this, and we're seeing a lot of folks not lining up to take those jobs back. is that because they're feeling a change in work life and work quality life quality is needed? or is it a function of, you know, they've been receiving a lot of bail out money and they, they're making their,

doing better not working than working? well, it's always going to be a balance, right? it's going to be, how am i rewarded for doing this job versus what's in this job? right. so it's very easy to look at the kind of how am i rewarded right, about the unemployment benefits that do we need to pay for more, et cetera, et cetera. but the more interesting side is, what's in this job? and i think through the pandemic, what indifferent job has changed. so as for instance, if i'm a restaurant worker and i now feel like i might, you know, i'm in a jurisdiction, we're not a lot of people are vaccinated, right? i feel like i might still get exposed that that calculus change is how i feel about my job. similarly, if i'm a retail worker, i'm having to argue with people about where math, that emotional labor. and in some cases it folks have been physically endangered. and that changes how i think about my job again. so that those scales where you

balance what's in my job versus what i get paid for. it really do change. and then there's some of the intangible, you know, if i'm going into a workplace where there are fewer people, right. and i'm not getting that camaraderie that sits on one side of the skills to . and i think that's what's interesting is it's easy to kind of look at the compensation aspect, but the job side is kind of where the action is. i think one of the other question, jeremy, i've been thinking about a long time that we've come out of 4 years of a presidential administration. i think i'm probably under stating there ambivalence about immigration into this country. but as we have looked at a lot of the jobs that, that are not be the oftentimes there's a mix of, you know, young people college students. but we also have a lot of immigrants who want to come this country. and these are a lot of the jobs that they do, you know, on farms in and, you know, labor and in restaurants and service jobs. and so i'd love to get a sense of whether or not, you know, we walked into something that the pandemic began to show. guess what? we really need immigrants. yeah, that's

a great point steve. and i think one thing that became clear in the pan demi was his idea of the essential worker. and who were the people that were fundamentally important to getting our economy to work into keeping us safe and keeping food on our place and keeping goods moving and, and long before the pandemic. we knew we had a skills mismatch, right? there have been, if you look at survey after survey from the bureau of labor statistics, there are always 56000000 jobs that we can't bill because the skills that we meet are different than the skills that americans have. in the latest survey, it's over $9000000.00 jobs, $9300000.00 jobs as of april at up a 1000000 over the month before. because we simply don't have the skills we need where they are. the one thing that america has, it's going to make us rebound from that can damage better than just about any other country, though, is that we have really robust immigration. we have people who are coming here to work with a different set of skills, who are more mobile or more willing to work tough jobs when they 1st get here,

partly by necessity partly by the fact that we're selecting for people who want to work. and that's a huge benefit, but as you said over the last 4 years when there's been a real crackdown on immigration, some of that has slowed. so at the same time that americans are becoming less mobile, this great competitive advantage that we have of having people come in and work and regenerate. the economy has slowed in a really dramatic fashion where we have right now and tell our audience over 9000000 unfilled jobs. this is a record high in the united states. as you look at, i also know i'm and i know people on all sides of this question. i know a lot of people who say, you know, we've now gone digital, they have a very different kind of social contract they want with their employers. they may not have been able with, through the absence of child care or, you know, schools being shut down to sort of manage that home life. but they love their time with their children. some do and, and others are kind of looking at that whole question of how can they negotiate

a new deal? do you think we're going to see a lot more of new deal negotiating? melissa? absolutely. i mean, we are certainly when you get a dramatic labor shortage, right? that really empowers the individual work. and i think we're going to see some interesting push pull over what work should look like going forward. the reality is that the kind of traditional office construct didn't serve everybody well, right? to serve a certain subset of the population pretty well. but if you're, let's say, a working mother who has to sneak out early, right to take care of your kids. if you're the only person of color in your office and you don't feel included, there's all kind of bunch of ways that the traditional construct wasn't working. and so now with some actual kind of power on the workers side because of the shortages, i think we're definitely going to see a renegotiation. i think what's interesting is that the rhetoric that c e o level is so different than what you see in survey after survey worker level. and i'm fascinated to see how that plays out. to be honest. if you were to give advice to

an employer, i have a friend who has about 90 employees here in washington, d. c. and she was saying she's beginning to talk to her people about coming back to the office and working with what they really want. and she kind of, you know, sarcastically smiled, she said, no, they want to have mondays and fridays at home, which of course, you know, makes nice for day weekends if you go so i guess what, if you would advise an employer, would you, would you push them to say, hey, give them tuesdays and wednesdays, or wednesdays and thursdays as opposed. they're trying to work time into free time . it's certainly what we're seeing. i mean what we're seeing, there's a fulcrum point around 2 to 3 days a week in the office. and generally those days are not monday and friday, but you know, i think that the bigger picture is also the flexibility and understanding who really needs to be in the office. right. does your work demand that you'd be in the office and looking at some of the interdependencies, you know, i say my group has to be in, but this other group that we work with all the time,

they're not. right. so does my group have to be in and, and really pressing on the work not just kind of trying to snap back to the prior reality, which we're not living in anymore. the one, the one thing i did that quickly is just to we need to experiment. i mean, i think one thing we're learning, even our own organization is that there are huge benefits to work at home. i mean, i'm doing this for my children's play room, right? now, right, and i have those extra commuting hours to, to do more work, get more things done and take care of life. but they're also huge things loops, right? we're, how do we have the office cooler conversation where ideas are generating? if you're not going out for lunch, when your team is seeing each other, only in meetings and not in these other organic conversations, and i think it's what we're struggling with and the business is we work are struggling with this. how do you do both? how do you have a balance that doesn't assume that when people are working from home, they're not being productive because a lot of ways, i think what this year shown is that people can be more productive working from home in some ways. but how do you also facilitate all the things that happens when

you bring people together? and i think that's one of the, certainly in the, in the idea generative innovation economy. that's where so much of the, of the sauce happens. jeremy, thank you. one of the things i've been trying to think about is the mathematics of this. so about 2 and a half 1000000 jobs in american, the restaurant sector wiped out, gone, you know, who knows, they'll come back, but, but right now they're gone. and other 2 and a half 1000000 people have chosen to retire, take retirement benefits, benefits and move on. and, you know, travel, hang out with their grandchildren, you know, do all other things. and i think, you know, when you begin looking at, it was interesting that we just had a debate recently about what the national minimum wage should be and that national minimum wage today is 7 dollars and 25 cents. the debate was whether we take it up to $15.00 or $11.00. well, i've been driving across a lot of western states that have been very opposed to raising the minimum wage. ah, and guess what? dunkin donuts, $15.00 an hour offered sheets auto. auto centers and gas stations and convenient

stores, $15.50 an hour. these are big numbers to people who previously were working at fast food joints for $7.25 an hour. so is that debate about the minimum wage? now? moot, is it silly given the fact that the, that the market price is, is now double that? it's a great question. i mean, i think, i think certainly people are going to show that you can pay a higher wage and still run businesses, but you're going to see some businesses that will struggle with that. i think one of the really interesting debates when you look at those jobs is not even those jobs themselves, but the broader jobs have been those industries. when you look at that, you mentioned 9000000 jobs open in april. well, when you look at the jobs where the fastest increase in those jobs and that in that job, journals, labor statistics report, the biggest growth was in accommodation, restaurant, hospitality. so the industries that had been the hardest hit but better now coming back. and especially when you look at the, in, within those interviews,

there are some really good college educated jobs too. but those aren't going to exist if you can't fail the really hard jobs the night and weekend jobs, the cleaning jobs, acute problem start jobs. and so those are ones where i think certainly are going to see or rejecting of like what do we have to pay? what do we have to do to get workers? how do we change the jobs and, and restructure them in a way that works for all workers? let me go ahead, go ahead and listen. no, i was gonna say just jumping on that point, which i think is a fantastic one of this idea that job changing work is changing. i think this was happening under the surface for a while. and what we got out of public was an acceleration that people really do want their work to be structured differently. and now that we have the opportunity to do it, right, let's, let's keep going with it. i don't, there is a belief that people want to do good job and at the same time, you also had a large population that was kind of pens up to retire but working longer and longer and you're getting that population saying ok,

i am going to pull the trigger on retirement bus holy, what was kind of artificially inflated supply of talent out of the market. and so really part of what happened was that there were a bunch of things that were kind of creeping up on happening. and then they happened once we talked to you both, who is most you 1st, they will just say, i find them very i on a, at some level both of you were thinking about work force transformation about what it takes in a new economy. and i have to tell you before cove it hit before we made this big jump from really what was still an analog world to a digital world. we were talking about digital skills. we were talking about the coming disruptive technologies that were going to, you know, transform work, transform the workplace, and a lot of people were going to be put out of work if they didn't keep up with that level of skills that we were going to have automated trucks, ah, economists vehicles and you know, we would see this uber driver force and truck force. right. but if you go out right now, correct drivers get such a premium in getting trained and out. there it is. a,

it is a great time. if you're a truck driver, but i'm just sort of interested, are we in a, in a kind of a moment and a wasted for a certain kind of low skilled job that all of a sudden we need. and will these other digital transformation issues come back as that's what i find interesting is we're, we're not talking about those high and high skilled jobs. we're talking about regular folks that may be not educated and up to the data in terms of, you know, digital skill sets. melissa, well, i think part of what's interesting is that we bought about those jobs in terms of binary, right? but one day there's a human driving, a truck, and then the next day, right, there's a truck driving a truck. and what actually happened is the pace of automation is kind of crept up. so the sort of computerized component of being a truck driver is much greater than it used to be. right? it's a, it's a continuum, not kind of a fall off a cliff. and i think that's part of what's interesting, you know, working in a, in a starbucks right. there are far more automated computerized components than there

used to be. but the job isn't gone yet. and i think that's the trend that we're going to see. and the interesting thing about a lot of the stuff that we've gotten very fixated on, like, let's say, you know, building software, right? a lot of software building is going to get automated in the next decade. and what we think of great jobs. the folks are supposed to go into those jobs are actually going to go away. so i think it's kind of interesting to then think about ok. automation is human job change, but then other human can tie to come in. i think what we see when jobs get automated is that it also create space for kind of more emotional labor, empathic labor, you know, the pieces that only humans can do. and i think it'll be very interesting to see what jobs get created in that part of the economy. jeremy say what you like, but i want to know. are we going to have a future where we can have emotional and empathic robots? i'm sure we will. i mean, i think we can't even imagine what's coming, and i think that's the point i wanted to mix. i think melissa's point is fabulous,

but we're really bad, or predicting what's gonna happen with automation, right? we've had automation for 30 years. it's been accelerating in a real way and it's like, oh, it's gonna take this job and it is, i mean, there 8000000 truck drivers who are going to, there are going to be self driving trucks and, and all that workers. and i think my amazon factory in the hundreds of thousands or millions of people that are being played there, that will be robotic. and those people, those jobs will be replaced. but, but what will come next? right. i mean, before the recession, we were at 4 percent unemployment after 30 years of automation. and so you think about, the question is not so much i think it is. where will there be enough jobs, but will they be good jobs? and for people, especially people who are not going to be who don't have the, the education level or ability to be part of their, the creative economy, which i think is going to be a lot of the spoils of this automation. for the jobs that exist, especially the service people jobs, which there will be many are they going to be jobs or you can make a living wage? i think the jobs that are safe and that you can support your family. and so i think those are gonna be the questions that are going to dominate far more than will

there be jobs at all? you know, i thank you, but i want to just, you know, be very careful here about one thing because i think we've been focusing on on, on those who haven't. i mean, there are more than 10000000 people who have gone back to work. who have, you know, take up this load and they are back, you know, in the service jobs and doing things so, so we see that we were running a deficit. but also those people in depth. i just want to give them a chance to, you know, to, to be thought about for a moment because, you know, i was reading yesterday about a family who at home there they both have elder care. this lady also has a son with, with who is in remission from cancer. and so there's still a fear out there as we see variance circling around in from cove it in the united states. and this whole question about the fragility of health or fragility of life . i just want to tell our audience back to also a legitimate part of this question. is it not melissa? yeah, absolutely, absolutely. and i think probably one of the most positive things to come out of

cove. it is a different way of thinking about height of what health and safety on the job. right. you know, it's not just, i'm not going to fall off a ladder and break my neck. right. there is a much broader definition and it extends to things like exposure to disease. it extends to things like per amount, you know, we've seen some really interesting data recently from the world health organization about burned out literally killing people very, very tightly after you know what a lot of people's work life balance look like during and i think we're going to think about those scenes more expansively and in more depth. and you know, what does it mean to be a frontline or constantly exposed to, you know, sort of negative emotional impacts or things like that. jeremy, when you kind of look at this question of people where they are and meeting them where they are, as we think about the new american economy. i guess another dimension, i mean, you know, i'm trying to kind of get my head around. what does the modern worker social

contract look like? you know, is it going back down, in my case in washington d. c on k street where we have lots of new buildings and i don't think they're going to be that full for awhile. you know, how do we kind of bring together something that's fair to all sides and also nimble . and i guess part of the question i have for you when you think about the new american economy. we also had a lot of gig workers. we had workers that were not going back for full time work and they were, you know, and we all, we all have, i'll just mention is passing study called the venture forward study which go daddy and the university of iowa. you see a lay anderson school of business in arizona state. did that look, there's been an explosion of micro businesses online that people kind of doing their own thing. and i kind of applauded that i sort of think it, well that's a sign of health and breaking away from the traditional, you know, long term service at one company. do you have any insights into how that evolution is going and what sped up and what you're worried about that? yeah, it's a great question. i think what disruption is messy. but ultimately,

if you look at the history of american our economy, it's been very good. right? moments where you had to have something new happened. i mean, i'm one of these we're studying now. we're looking at the last session to try to understand who were, what were the cities that spared well, and what were the seeds that struggled and what, what made them shut them apart. and one of the things we're seeing, we look at immigration is at the cities that were more welcoming towards immigrants were actually the hardest hit in the last recession after 2008. because they had more of those people that were bring in new ideas, new bids on the front lines, and those are the most vulnerable, but also the most responsible for growth. and so when they just like in this pandemic, when the people who are losing their jobs, where the restaurant workers and, and the small entrepreneurs and people who didn't have the capital, the stay going. that's what happened there. but then when you looked at the recovery, the cities recovered the fastest, and ultimately we were doing the best were the ones that were investing in bringing new people and new ideas and people from that. and they were more dynamic. they were more responsive because they had people with different networks,

different capabilities, different interests. they were starting new businesses. i live in new york. and if you look at new york, what happened in there are close businesses all throughout, 2008, just as there are now. but the neighborhood that responded the passage for bay ridge in brooklyn, in jackson heights in queens, where you'd have barred to immigrants. but the people on is coming in starting new mom and pop shops, new main street businesses. and so i think that's one recipes that we have to say. look, there are gonna be people who are going to be displaced. and we need to invest really heavily in them that can't just be about what the job tomorrow, which would also be invest in korea, johnson skills we have today. but we can't lose sight of the fact that it is going to be a new economy. and we do want to experiment, and we do want to invest in entrepreneurs, and we do want to invest in, in trying to, to upscale people and make sure that they have jobs that work for them. melissa, you are nodding. you, you want to comment? yeah, absolutely. i everything you're saying really resonates. i mean, i think of this is if you look at graphs of who was in what sector the economy, 190-0100. right. you see the agrarian graph coming down pretty dramatically and

services a manufacturing coming up, you know, pretty dramatically and they're kind of crossing at one point. i think we're at another point like that. to be honest, where, you know, again, coven speed it up. but there is just a lot of transition between sectors of the economy and to the point that was just made. the whole economy isn't. it's not all sort of industrial right. there are all parts of the economy. and during those transition moments, those parts can be really vibrant and we shouldn't discount the impact or you know how to not look at how we care for that part of the economy, right? we have about a minute left, so really quickly, i'm going to get some free consulting advice from both of you corn face. so don't charge, don't send me a bill. but real quick, the federal reserve of san francisco is said that $1.00 and $7.00 americans that $300.00 a week, extra unemployment insurance that they get would not stop them from going to get a job. so it's a small portion for which that ms. according to the survey, $26.00 republican governors have squeezed off those benefits. another set of

governors are keeping them place until september. do you think that those checks make a difference right now in the calculus? is the work or not going back because that worker is just i'm having a good time getting unemployment check. just real quick, melissa and jeremy. i'll give jeremy the last word. yeah, i don't. i don't think those checks are making a major difference. i think again there are a lot of other needs that work fills for people and so people are not coming back if they're not the right work. not because that $300.00 on the margins makes a difference. and i think it's important to keep that in place to support the folks that really are still teetering about jeremy. i'm to give you real fast, quick word. last word. yeah, i don't have the expertise to disagree or agree, but i will say unfortunately, we're going to get a real experiment where you're going to see and it's going to that the cost of a lot of pain for people. you're going to see how people are ferrying, but i certainly think at this moment we need to invest in workers and we need to invest and making sure that people are able to stay in love. this conversation really appreciate melissa swift workforce transformation, consultant at corn ferry,

and jeremy robins, executive director of new american economy. thanks so much for being with us today . thanks for having me. yeah. so what's the bottom line? the biggest lesson that we've all learned from the pandemic is that life is really short and it can be fragile. is it any wonder that folks are rethinking their lives and their options nowadays? well, i don't think so. this was happening even before the pandemic, and was one of the major drivers of immigration, both legal and illegal into the united states. folks at the border were trying to get into america. well, they want those jobs and a lot of the folks already here. well, they don't want those jobs, so for workers and low paying jobs like retail and fast food, or even in some higher paying jobs like teachers and office workers. many people just burn out during the pandemic and now they're looking for something different. so don't be surprised if soon you drop by a department store or a fast food window. and a robot says, here's your order, the algorithms are coming, and that's the bottom line ah.

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