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but cannot really be achieved. this is inside story. ah, ah hello there and welcome to the program. i'm the styles here. take a down payment on justice. that's what george for it's family and supportive. calling the 22 and a half years sentence of from police office at derek. shaven for the matter last year, shook the united states pumping calls against racism and for police reform as well as protest worldwide. but from many the sentence is not enough. and they argue that racism and discrimination are damaging just how the u. s. functions out there as john 100 has this report for us from minneapolis for derrick jovan, his drawn the longest sentence for a convicted police officer in minnesota history for the murder of george floyd. as

for the one, the court committed to the cause of the commission of corrections for a period of 270 months of 270. that is, that tenure addition to the presumptive sentence of $150.00 votes. this is based on your abuse of a position of trust in authority and also the particular cruelty shown to george floyd. the $22.00 and a half years sentence was well under the 40 year maximum. but a decade over the state guideline of 12 and a half years. but floyd's family says it's still too short. we got justice, but not enough justice. the sentence marks a historic deterrent that civil rights leaders called a down payment on justice. one not call a criminal justice problem. the united states credit must show the slave courage. there's jury show at home, police accountable inside the court room fluids. families spoke of their loss. when

you ask about him, what are you asking about or how that how my day is okay. do you wish that he was still here with us? yeah, rushing through his spirit. yeah. yeah. what were you thinking? what was going to? yeah. well, you had you neil, my brother's neck. the family's called for a maximum sentence was answered by sho vins mother. when you sentenced to my son, he will also be sent to me when he is released, his father and i most likely will not be here. shelven himself spoke briefly but still facing an appeal and federal charges for violating floyd civil rights.

said little, i want to give mike and also for the family hours before the sentence came down. the court denied jovan request for a re trial. under minnesota law, 22 and a half years doesn't really mean 22 and a half years. children is expected to spend 2 thirds of that time. 15 years in prison. by that time he'll be 60, he spends the rest on parole. federal charges could add additional time and is expected to spend much of his time in prison as he's been spending it. in solitary confinement. the case began with a bystanders viral video of a black man dying under a white police officers. ne, launching a protest movement that erupt it across the united states, sometimes violently revealing a deep cultural divide. the murder trial that accelerated the black lives matter movement, his ended but in the streets of minneapolis in cities across the us,

demonstrators said the movement goes on. john hinder and al jazeera minneapolis on george lloyd is just one case between 2013 and last may more than 9000 people were killed by police in the united states and asia show as black americans a 3 times more likely to die than wife americans. let's take a look at some of the high profile incidence that has been exposed by social media and 2014 eric gone, who was killed in custody in new york after a police officer put him in a chokehold whose death led nationwide protests a year later. offices in minneapolis, shot anom, jamal clock in the chest after scuffle at a party. he died the next day. in 2016 philander castillo was pulled over by police in minnesota. as while he was shot dead seconds after disclosing he owned and was license to carry a concealed weapon in 2018 steph and clark was shot more than 20 times in his grandmother's backyard for holding a phone. that police said they thought with

a gun in october 2019 unarmed our tatiana jefferson was shot through the window of her home and killed in the presence of her 8 year old nephew. and then in march 2020 brionas taylor was shot 8 times by plain clothes, officers executing a search warrant in her home. and those are just some of the hundreds of black americans killed by police in the u. s. and the last 8 years. ah, while that's now bringing our guests from columbus, ohio is trivia lindsey, an associate professor of women's gender and sexuality studies at a higher state university from minneapolis, mary moria. he a former chief public defender for minneapolis last year from las vegas, diane goldstein, a retired police left canons and also executive director of the law enforcement action partnership. that's an organization of law enforcement officers who want to reform the criminal justice system. thank you all for joining us today. mary. i want to start with you because you were the format chief public defender hennepin

county where this trial actually took place and you've been a public defender now for 31 years. did derek show the sentence, surprise you at all? not at all. i think most of us thought he was going to get a sentence in the range of 20 to 25 years so that that was pretty much what we thought. right, in terms of reaction, i'm curious, this is the longest sentence, i believe for a police officer in minnesota. i see george boyd's brother rodney called us a slap on the wrist. but other observers, including members of the trans, massive movement have said that they've been really encouraged by the length of the sentence and treaty. let me bring you in here. how do you feel about this? do you feel like there's some sense of closure now? and because very complicated, because the systems instructions that were in place that allow for george floyd to be murdered, still exists today. i think with this conviction, which brings this about the point 4 percent of police officers who are convicted

for killing civilians is important. and significant, i don't want to diminish what this means to its family or to undervalue the length of the sentence. i think any one, no one has been incarcerated. no 22 and a half years. it's quite a long time. however, we know about sentencing disparities between communities as well. so i think there are people who will feel like this is slap on the wrist. i think there people will feel like this is not accountability. that was what should be here. hearing that statement from his 7 year old daughter yesterday about missing her father. but there really is that justice, per se, in this instance, there are kind of punitive accountability. and i think you'll find a range of motions. the range of reaction within black community to this and still looking at that number of point 4 percent of police officers being held accountable for these kinds of crimes. so i say the us president biden himself has called the sentence appropriate, and his administration is pushing the george floyd justice and policing bell pretty

hard, and that would be a banjo colds and also make it easy to hold accountable offices in court as you've been suggesting that treva, but this is really about the culture of the 4th. there's another diane, as a former police officer yourself, do you think this is actually going to make offices think twice when they're approaching a scene? you know what? yes, i think this is. i think that the certain, well, let's also be very clear. i agree that this sentence is the 1st step or accountability for law enforcement. it can never bring mr. floyd back. it can never undo the trauma that has been done to his family and to the communities. but from a law enforcement perspective, i think it sends a pretty significant message. and it also, you know, from our organization viewpoint it has star or goodness on a road of having these really uncomfortable discussions that need to happen. where

law enforcement has to be more insightful about what their role is and how to better serve their constituents. you know, for, for so many years, law enforcement has been asked to do to many faith because frankly, our legislators haven't invested on the front in to prevent crime. infrastructure, mental health treatment, drug treatment on demand. and so long foresman gets past with solving problems that we can't. and so, you know, we have to take this from a multi disciplinary and a top down level. but it's, but it's a message whether the judge wanted to send a message or not. it is a message to law enforcement that we need to further discussion and value everyone's life. you know, we need to change our use of force stand thirds. we need to really look at how we prevent the next george flag, death or really murder from happening. of course,

diane, you mentioned that this idea of sending a message, i want to dig into that a little bit because by my understanding the judge said that this wasn't about necessarily sending a message. it was about dealing with the case at hand. mary, i'm curious, how do you think that works when the whole trial was televised and this is really the 1st time i try to this kind of been televised. how do you do that without sending a message? i mean, presumably that's what this was about. well, from a legal perspective, it isn't. in fact, if prosecutors had said or argued that this verdict dissent seem, was about sending a message. actually, if they said that during trial, it actually would have been prosecutorial misconduct because a trial is about one particular individual. and whether they were proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, it isn't about the rest of society or community or what should happen. so that's the legal perspective, and that's, i think what cayhill was trying to say. but that's not how the community thinks

about it. and that's not probably a law enforcement thinks about it. so people do take from what they will take. i wanted to, to comment to about what kind of message just sends to launch force minutes. one of the things that i found really interesting is that it's certainly i've been in this situation before. if a client is convicted and they want to appeal, and especially somebody who has to pending federal indictments, they don't want to say anything that's going to prejudice or harm to them. they are . however, when the probation officer did a pre sentence investigation, they did talk to shogun about his history and that kind of thing. and they gave him an opportunity to talk about this offence. and i believe he did not talk about it. and so he missed out on an opportunity there to say something to judge hill about what judges often look for, which is do people have insight into their actions? and do people have empathy or remorse?

and i was just reflecting this morning on that list of what yes, that children's lawyer talked about at the sentencing. he said derrick show, ben has in is always thinking about what yes. what? yes. but those what, yes were. what if i didn't take that extra shift that day? what if i hadn't responded to that call? it wasn't. what if i had not put both my knees on george floyd in my weight? what if i had listened to lane? when said, we should put him in a side recovery position. why? yes, i had listened to the bystanders. the george lloyd was in trouble. what if, when george wade became unresponsive, i turned him over and i started to do cpr 2. so he continues to maintain this narrative, which was in the defense memo, that he did nothing wrong that he was just following his training and experience. and i am sure there's a segment of law enforcement. there's certainly a segment of the community that supports him that still thinks that's true. and so

i, we have a long way to go in changing the culture of police department. so i do want to throw that back then to diane, because there were a number of police officers who testified against derek shaven. that's pretty rare, that's included police chief memorial redondo. did that make a difference in terms of sending a message, diane? yes i, i think it did it. you know, let me be very clear. i watched back pay from beginning to to end. i made myself, i thought it was important that i fully understand what happened and it was horrific. and there is no amount of law enforcement who can ever say that that was how he was trained. i spent a career in law enforcement and the utter lack of compare action shown to mr. floyd was something that i never want to see again. and, you know,

every officer that i know that is currently working or retired, all feel that the sentence was appropriate. this was not, you know, a, this is how we train people. that's not how we train people. he had so many opportunities to stop his actions show and do the right thing. and so yeah, you know, it's, this is, this is accountability. i want to bring out to build a tree the have are sorry, diane, because i do feel like it's important to take a bit of a step back because part of this whole process, right, including the idea of televised the trial. this was really meant to both the confidence in a, in a justice system where that confidence is often seen as lacking. given what we saw unfolds in the courtroom, how critical a message, the sentence itself was, and the process. i'm curious at treva,

how important was the sentence versus actually watching the trial in terms of watching justice unfold? is there a greater confidence now in the justice system? i honestly think it depends on who you ask. i think if we look at some stark numbers in relationship to the trial, it's hard to be compet still within the criminal legal system. we're still in an average of 3 police killing the day. lack americans are still disproportionately represented in other. they're even been police killing in the specific area even which stores like with kill. and so we see this case and in many ways, when the judge said this is not about policing broadly, this is this specific incident. this incident does feel particularly we have a 9 minute and 29 2nd video filmed by 17 year old girl to provide us with year records, like irreparable kinds of who,

right. like what happy revocable of what happened. and you have officers who are testifying, who have all of these exceptional moments to illustrate something that the people that took to the street after may 25th, 2020 have been screaming for years with regard to the leasing and the criminal legal system. and so i think people can certainly feel a sense of relief, perhaps even a building since a competence in regard to the criminal legal system in response to ality in a response to holding accountable in instances like this. and look at what has happened since then. and what we're looking for to a moment's in saying this is not rational per se, even if it is accurately terrible. that the numbers still worn further investigation, further exploration, legislation reform or some people that need funding for some people that policy for some people that need greater training and emphasis in police department. i think

her dad, you're going to do 1st array of responses to this sentence. saying that reflect the levels of confidence that people came in to with, with regards to how to treat it in particular, black to bring to treat it within the criminal legal system. and we think we've had the sentence now that the legal process is actually not over. there is potentially an appeal mr. show have been a facing to other indictments, one of those, a federal indictments violating this before it's civil rights. also 3 other officers who are going to be facing trial and march mary, well to from here. well, i suspect sheldon's federal indictments will probably resolve. there's a lot of incentive on both sides as to the 3 officers. they are also federally indicted in, in minnesota, aiding and abetting. if you are charged with 80 and a bed in your sentences exactly the same or could be exactly the same as the principal who was the who would be show ven. and so those 3 former officers are

looking at a great deal of time. so there's also incentive for them to try to resolve their cases. it will say, you know, pick up on like, what does this mean and what's happened now, because i think it's important for people and i know this happened all over the country. there were many people, especially in our black community who didn't think up until the verdict was actually read that a police officer would ever be found guilty. and although this is the 2nd time a police officer was convicted, the 1st time was a black police officer who killed the white woman. and in here, even during the george like trial, we had a black man shot by a white police officer, e. and a couple of weeks ago we had a black band shot, a task force. they were arresting him on a warrant, and it was a joint federal marshals and local sheriff's task force, and they were, were in body cam. and so, and even though the deputy is the local deputies had it,

and apparently the marshals had a policy not to where body can, which is just astonishing to me. and it's caused more protests here. and so we have this narrative of police about why they shot this man, but coming on the heels of what the minneapolis police department released after the death of george lloyd that he died of a medical condition after interaction with police. so it's almost like the, you know, yes, there was a conviction and that was proof that it could actually happen. but then you have another shooting and you don't have any video which is really just disastrous in terms of, you know, trying to build trust with the community. so it's, it's a process, not a destination. and we have a lot of work to do to really regain much of any trust in our community here. so well, entirely part of that process is about having a conversation right, diane. i know that you yourself have previously written about how supporting the

black lives matter movement doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive from also supporting law enforcement. and i know you yourself received some pretty harsh feedback after that. since then, do you think things have actually changed? is there room now for that conversation to take place? i yes, you know, there is, you know, organization very interesting because we work across multiple areas in and i wrote that article host ferguson 2016. and we're dealing with some of the same issues now. but with the murder of george floyd in the sentence, seen what we've also seen across the country because we work in multiple states in legislation. we're seeing some really good legislation that's coming. that's going to help us regulate police conduct. and i think that's important. you know,

but you know, to, to the point about the cameras, that's a federal policy and that's been a long standing federal policy that needs to be changed. you know, when you're working on a local past or is the federal government had made the decision not to allow why they can't. and that's wrong. and i agree with you. i think that body camps should be on every police officer, whether they're state, local, or federal and, you know, we're moving in the right direction. we're having very difficult conversations. and the conversation is, is, what do we want our police to do? you know, is everything from we can all agree that we have under funded communities of color. we have created systemic issues and then asked police to follow proper forms that were just completely incapable of. and so broadly speaking, we have to start looking at community responders or co responded models. we have to

look at de criminalizing drugs. we have to look at the cars ration, and we have to look at heavy investment in things other than policing. it doesn't mean that police, it's going to go away because everyone that i speak to an activist groups across the country, tell me what people want is good policing. and what we're trying to do is reduce the footprint of policing at this point through a variety of different strategies, which includes community to show laundry models and working with organizations and setting up mediation. i'm coming up with you idea these rise. i love looking at some of the numbers because at least a 181 black people were killed at the hands of police between the time for his mother on may 25th, 2020, and just the end of the trial. i was also listening after the sentencing to reverend sharpton speaking outside the courthouse and something that he said really

struck me. he said, we got more than we thought only because we've been disappointed so many times before. we're not sentiment there based on all the flow expectations because of history, and i want to give you a last went ahead. does that ring true for you? and how do we change that? absolutely, and i, and i love my co panelists, other suggestions here. i want to get to the point before we get to the body cameras being turned on. what are the things leading to encounters with police and what are the screens like under, from our community? like not investing in mental health, like teaching how we believe, how engaging these communities best start with a racial justice, the disability justice model that address poverty, that address the causes of why you see what we see in our community. i want that before we even get to the bottom care, your body camera means we already gotten to the incident of har. we've already gotten to a point where now we'll just have evidence of another instance of violence occurring . and so when i hear responses to the center thing that mike got more,

but we had such a low explication going in that tells you where we are in terms of competence in the criminal legal system. and how far we have to go in order for people to feel great, not just in their community connect one another in safety, is not just about not being harm physically. it's about having security. it's about having one or it's housing. it's about having a job. and these are the things that we do farm and our community violent interactions between subordinates and we do balance and billions of billions and all of the effort of criminalizing are also important. and because the ration are also important, grateful that people are speaking in those ways and if anything, the problem certainly box that conversation to the forefront, and indeed it all begins with a conversation. so i'd like to thank you all for joining us for this conversation today. thank you to all of our guests. that's trivia lindsay. mary moreno and diane goldstein and thank you to for watching. you can see this program again anytime by

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