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calling the 22 and a half year sentence of from police office at derek. shaven for his murder last year, shook the united states pumping calls against racism and police reform as well as protest worldwide. for many, the sentence is not enough. and they argue that racism and discrimination are damaging just how the u. s. functions out of there is john henry has this report for us from minneapolis. derrick jovan, his drawn the longest sentence for a convicted police officer in minnesota. history for the murder of george floyd felt one. the court committed the cause of the commission of corrections for a period of 270 months as 270. that is a tenure addition to the presumptive sentence of $150.00 pounds. this is based on your abuse of a position of trust in authority and also the particular cruelty shown to george floyd. the $22.00 and a half years sentence was well under the 40 year maximum. but

a decade over the state guideline of 12 and a half years. but floyd's family says it's still too short. we've got justice, but not enough justice. the sentence marks a historic deterrent that civil rights leaders called a down payment on justice. one or not all a criminal justice problem, the united states credit must show the same courage. there's jury show at home, police accountable. inside the courtroom floyd's family spoke of their loss. when you ask about him, what are you asking about or how that how my day is okay. do you wish that he was still here with us? la, rushing through his spirit. yeah. yeah. what were you thinking?

what was going well, you had you neil, my brother's neck. the families called for a maximum sentence was answered by sho vins mother. when you sentenced to my son, who will also be sent to me when he is released, his father and i most likely will not be sure. shelven himself spoke briefly, but still facing an appeal and federal charges for violating floyd civil rights, said little. i want us there, mike and also for a family hours before the sentence came down, the court denied jovan request for a re trial. under minnesota law, 22 and a half years doesn't really mean 22 and a half years. jovan is expected to spend 2 thirds of that time 15 years in prison. by that time he'll be 60, he spends the rest on parole. federal charges could add additional time and is

expected to spend much of his time in prison as he's been spending it. in solitary confinement. the case began with a bystanders viral video of a black man dying under a white police officer's knee. launching a protest movement that erupt it across the united states, sometimes violently revealing a deep cultural divide. the murder trial that accelerated the black lives matter movement has ended. the but in the streets of minneapolis in cities across the us, demonstrators said the movement goes on. john henry and al jazeera minneapolis on george lloyd is just one case between 2013 and last may more than 9000 people were killed by police in the united states. and data shows that black americans are 3 times more likely to die than white americans. let's take a look at some of the high profile incidents that has been exposed by social media . and 2014 eric gone, was killed in custody in new york, after

a police officer put him in a chokehold, his death led to nationwide protests a year later. officers in minneapolis shot unarmed jamal clock in the chest after scuffle as a posse. he died the next day. in 2016 philander castillo was pulled over by police in minnesota. as while he was shot dead seconds after disclosing he owned and was license to carry a concealed weapon in 2018 steph and clark was shot more than 20 times in his grandmother's backyard for holding a phone. that police said they thought with a gun in october 2019 unarmed our tatiana jefferson was shot through the window of her home and killed in the presence of her 8 year old nephew. and then in march 2020 brionas taylor was shot 8 times by plain clothes, officers executing a search warrant in her home. and those are just some of the hundreds of black americans killed by police in the u. s. and the last 8 years. ah, while that's now bringing our guests from columbus,

ohio is trivia, lindsey and associate professor of women's agenda and sexuality studies at a higher state university from minneapolis. mary moria is he a former chief public defender for minneapolis. lastly from las vegas, diane goldstein, a retired police left canons and also executive director of the law enforcement action partnership. that's an organization of law enforcement officers who want to reform the criminal justice system. thank you all for joining us today, mary. i want to start with you because you were the format chief public defender hennepin county where this trial actually took place and you've been a public defender. now for 31 years. did derek show the sentence, surprise you at all? not at all. i think most of us thought he was going to get a sentence in the range of 20 to 25 years so that that was pretty much what we thought. right, in terms of reaction, i'm curious, this is the longest sentence, i believe for a police officer in minnesota. i see george boyd's brother rodney called us

a slap on the wrist. but other observers, including members of the massive movement have said that they've been really encouraged by the length of the sentence and treaty. let me bring you in here. how do you feel about this? do you feel like there's some sense of closure now? i think it's very complicated because the systems instructions that were in place that allowed for george floyd to be murdered, still exist today. i think with this conviction, which brings this about the point 4 percent of police officers who are convicted for killing civilians is important. and significant, i don't want to diminish what this means to the family or to undervalue the length of the sentence. i think any one, no one has been incarcerated. no 22 and a half years. it's quite a long time. however, we know about sentencing disparities between communities as well. so i think there are people who will feel like this is slap on the wrist. i think there people will feel like this is not accountability. that should be here. hearing that statement

from his 7 year old daughter yesterday about missing her father. but there really is that justice, per se, in this instance, there's kind of punitive accountability and i think you'll find a range of motions. the range of reaction within black community to this. and, you know, looking at that number of point 4 percent of police officers being held accountable for these kinds of crimes. so i see the us president joe biden himself has called the sentence appropriate, and his administration is pushing the george floyd justice and policing bell pretty hard, and that would be a banjo colds and also make it easier to hold accountable offices in court as you've been suggesting that teresa, but this is really about the culture of the force. there's another diane, as a former police officer yourself, do you think this is actually going to make offices think twice when they're approaching a st. you know what? yes, i think this is, i think that the sentence, well, let's also be very clear. i agree that this sentence is the 1st step

or accountability for law enforcement. it can never bring mr. floyd back. it can never undo the trauma that has been done to his family and to the communities. but from a law enforcement perspective, i think it sends a pretty significant message. and it also, you know, from our organization viewpoint it has star or goodness on a road of having these really uncomfortable discussions that need to happen. where law enforcement has to be more insightful about what their role is and how to better serve their constituents. you know, for, for so many years, law enforcement has been asked to do too many faith, because frankly, our legislators have invested on the front in to prevent crime infrastructure, mental health treatment, drug treatment on demand. and so long foresman gets past with solving problems that

we can't. and so, you know, we have to take this from a multi disciplinary and a top down level. but it's, but it's a message whether the judge wanted to send a message or not. it is a message to law enforcement that we need to further discussion and value everyone's life. you know, we need to change our use of force stand thirds. we need to really look at how we provide vent, the next george flag, death or really murder from happening. of course, diane, you mentioned that this idea of sending a message, i want to dig into that a little bit because by my understanding the judge said that this wasn't about necessarily sending a message. it was about dealing with the case at hand. mary, i'm curious, how do you think that works when the whole trial was televised and this is really the 1st time i try to this kind of been televised. how do you do that without sending a message? i mean, presumably that's what this is all about. well, from a legal perspective, it isn't. in fact,

if prosecutors had sat or argued that this verdict dissent seem, was about sending a message. actually, if they said that during trial, it actually would have been prosecutorial misconduct because a trial is about one particular individual. and whether they were proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt isn't about the rest of society or community or what should happen. so that's the legal perspective, and that's i think what k hill was trying to say. but that's not how the community thinks about it. and that's not probably a law enforcement thinks about it. so people do take from what they will take. i wanted to, to comment to about what kind of message is sent to law enforcement. and one of the things i found really interesting is that it's certainly i've been in this situation before. if a client is convicted and they want to appeal, and especially somebody who has to pending federal indictments, they don't want to say anything that's going to prejudice or harm to them. they are

. however, when the probation officer did a pre sentence investigation, they did talk to shogun about his history and that kind of thing. and they gave him an opportunity to talk about this offence. and i believe he did not talk about it. and so he missed an opportunity there to say something to judge hill about what judges often look for, which is do people have insight into their actions? and do people have empathy or remorse? and i was just reflecting this morning on that list of what yes, that children's lawyer talked about at the sentencing. he said derrick show, ben has in is always thinking about what yes. what? yes. but those what, yes were. what if i didn't take that extra shift that day? what if i hadn't responded to that call? it wasn't what if i had not put both my knees on george floyd in my weight? what if i had listened to lane? when said, we should put him in a side recovery position. what if i had listened to the bystanders?

the george floyd was in trouble. what if, when george wade became unresponsive, i turned him over and i started to do cpr. so he continued to maintain this narrative, which was in the defense memo, that he did nothing wrong that he was just following his training and experience. and i am sure there's a segment of law enforcement. there's certainly a segment of the community that supports him that still thinks that's true. and so i, we have a long way to go in changing the culture of police departments. well, i do want to throw that back then to diane, because there were a number of police officers who testified against derek. i've been nuts, prosy, ran included, police chief murderer redondo. did that make a difference in terms of sending a message, diane? yes i, i think it did, you know, let me be very clear. i watched back pay from beginning to to end.

i made myself, i thought it was important that i fully understand what happened and it was horrific. and there is no amount of law enforcement who can ever say that that was how he was trained. i spent a career in law enforcement and the utter lack of compare action shown to mr. floyd was something that i never want to see. again, add, you know, every officer that i know that is currently working or retired. all feel that the sentence was appropriate. this was not, you know, a, this is how we train people. that's not how we train people. he had so many opportunities to stop his actions show and do the right thing. and so yeah, you know, it's, this is, this is accountability. i want to bring to build

a tree the have are sorry, diane, because i do feel like it's important to take a bit of a step back because part of this whole process, right, including the idea of televised in the trial. this was really meant to both that confidence in a, in a justice system where that confidence is often seen as lacking. given what we saw unfold in the courtroom, how critical a message, the sentence itself was, and the process. i'm curious at treva, how important was the sentence versus actually watching the trial in terms of watching justice unfold? is there a greater confidence now in the justice system? i honestly think it depends on who you ask. i think if we look at some stark numbers in relationship to the trial, it's hard to be competent still within the criminal legal system. we're still in an average of 3 police killings a day. lack americans are still disproportionately represented in other there. even

then police killing in those specific areas which stores like with kill. and so we see this case and in many ways, when the judge said this is not about policing broadly, this is this specific incident. this incident does feel particularly we have a 9 minute and 29 2nd video filmed by 17 year old girl to provide us with year records, like irreparable kinds of who, right. like what happy revocable of what happened. and you have officers who are testifying, who have all of these exceptional moments to illustrate something that the people that took to the street after may 20, 2020, have been screaming for years with regards to the leasing and the criminal legal system. and so i think people can certainly feel a sense of relief, perhaps even a building since competence in regards to the criminal legal system in response to

b. c. holidays in a response to holding accountable in instances like this. and look at what has happened since then. and what we're looking for to a moment's in saying this is not rational per se, even if it is accurately terrible. that the number you're warned further investigation, further exploration, legislation reform in or some people that mean funding for some people that policy for some people that need greater training and emphasis in police department. so i think again, you're going to 1st array of responses to the sentencing that reflect the levels of confidence that people came into this with little guards to how to treat it. in particular, black civilians are treated within the criminal legal system and we think we've had the sentence now that the legal process is actually not over. there is potentially an appeal, mr. show been facing to other indictments, one of those, a federal indictments violating this before it's civil rights. also 3 other

officers who are going to be facing trial and march mary, where to from here. well, i suspect sheldon's federal indictments will probably resolve. there's a lot of incentive on both sides as to the 3 officers, they are also federally indicted in minnesota, eating and bedding. if you are charged with eating and betting your sentences exactly the same or could be exactly the same as the principal who was the who would be show ven. and so those 3 former officers are looking at a great deal of time. so there's also incentive for them to try to resolve their cases. it will say, you know, pick up on like, what does this mean and what's happened now, because i think it's important for people and i know this happened all over the country. there were many people, especially in our black community who didn't think up until the verdict was actually read that a police officer would ever be found guilty. and although this is the 2nd time a police officer was convicted, the 1st time was

a black police officer who killed the white woman. and in here, even during the george like trial, we had a black man shot by a white police officer. and a couple of weeks ago we had a black man shot, a task force. they were arresting him on a warrant. and it was a joint federal marshals and local sheriff's task force. and they were worried bobby cam and so. and even though the deputy is the local deputies had it, and apparently the marshals had a policy not to wear body cam, which is just astonishing to me. and it's caused more protests here. and so we have this narrative of police about why they shot this man, but coming on the heels of what the minneapolis police department released after the death of george lloyd that he died of a medical condition after interaction with police. so it's, it's almost like the, you know, yes, there was a conviction and that was proof that it could actually happen. but then you have

another shooting and you don't have any video which is really just disastrous in terms of, you know, trying to build trust with the community. so it's, it's a process, not a destination. and we have a lot of work to do to really regain much of any trust in our community here. so well, entirely part of that process is about having a conversation right, diane. i know that you yourself have previously written about how supporting the black lives matter movement doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive from also supporting law enforcement. and i know you yourself received some pretty harsh feedback after that. since then, do you think things have actually changed? is there room now for that conversation to take place? i yes, you know, there is, you know, organization very interesting because we work across multiple areas in and

i wrote that article post ferguson 2016. and we're dealing with some of the same issues now. but with the murder of george floyd in the sentencing, what we've also seen across the country because we work in multiple states in legislation, we're seeing some really good legislation that's coming that's going to help us regulate police conduct. and i think that's important, you know, but you know, to, to the point about the cameras, that's a federal policy. and that's been a long standing federal policy that needs to be changed. you know, when you're working on a local task force is the federal government had made the decision not to allow. why can't, and that's wrong and i agree with you. i think that body camps should be on every police officer, whether they're state, local, or federal and, you know, we're moving in the right direction. we're having very difficult conversations. and

the conversation is, is, what do we want our police to do? you know, is everything from we can all agree that we have under funded communities of color. we have created systemic issues and then asked police to follow proper forms that were just completely incapable. ok. and so broadly speaking, we have to start looking at community responders or co respond or models. we have to look at d criminalizing drugs. we have to look at the course ration, and we have to look at heavy investment in things other than policing. it doesn't mean that police, it's going to go away because everyone that i speak to an activist groups across the country, tell me what people want is good policing. and what we're trying to do is reduce the footprint of policing at this point through a variety of different strategies,

which includes community shalondria models and working with organizations and setting up mediation and coming up with you, i did the rise. i was looking at some of the numbers because at least 181 black people were killed at the hands of police between the time for his mother on may 25th, 2020, and just the end of the trial. i was also listening after the sentencing to reverend sharpton speaking outside the courthouse and something that he said really struck me. he said, we got more than we thought only because we've been disappointed so many times before. we not sentiment that based on all the flow expectations because of history and treatment once it gives you a last one here. does that ring true for you, and how do we change that? absolutely, and i, and i love my co panelists, other suggestions here. i want to get to the point before we get to the body cameras being turned on. what are the things leading to encounters the police and the are? what are the screens like under farming our community,

like not investing in mental health. like teaching how we believe, how engaging these communities best start with a racial justice, the disability justice model that address poverty, that address the causes of why you see what we see in our community. i want that before we even get to the bottom care you good body camera means we already gotten to the institute of har. we've already gotten to a point where now does just have evidence of another instance of violence occurring . and so when i hear responses to the sentencing that like got more, but we have such low expectations going in that tells you where we are in terms of competence in the criminal legal system. and how far we have to go in order for people to feel great, not just in their community connect one another in safety, is not just about not being harm. basically, it's about having security. it's about having one or it's housing. it's about having a job. and these are the things that we do farm and our community violent interactions

between civilian and we do balance billions of billions and all of the effort of the criminalizing are also important because the ration are also important. grateful that people are speaking in those ways. and if anything, the problem certainly box that conversation to the forefront, and indeed it all begins with a conversation. so i'd like to thank you all for joining us for this conversation today. thank you to all of our guests. that trivia lindsey mary moreno. he and diane goldstein and thank you to for watching. you can see this program again anytime by visiting our website that's al jazeera dot com. and to join us for further discussion on our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. we can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is a inside story. for me to say, hey, i'm a whole team, has the

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