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and support staff. so this makes them prime targets for potential attacks. 3 un counterterrorism agencies and the door based international center for sport security have launched what they call the 1st global guide on securing major sporting events is happening as tournaments postponed by the pandemic resume. their schedule that includes the european football championships, taking place now and the tokyo summer olympic set to begin later this month. the document highlights emerging threats such as drone attacks and cybersecurity risks with criminals, potentially hacking critical facilities. the 36 story of the 972 summer olympics in munich. the 2009 there is to take against the alarm come creek, a team, and the boston marathon bomb being of 2017. as well as many other effects against other sporting qu, ends of cream line. those of these awful realty sporting events

not solely targeted because there and then the by alleged groups of people. but also because they represent what terrorists him to destroy in our society. in the cross, the old human dignity a peaceful coexistence in pe, ideals. the alright was bringing our guests in florence master mil yano want to norie chief executive officer of the database international center for sports security in london. so john, go all international security director at the asia pacific foundation and in north hampton, you k, andy bodfish, a sports commentator, a warm welcome to you all must really let me start with you today. the guy that was published, outlines ways to best protect major sporting events. what are some of the measures that need to be taken to mitigate risks?

that's possible. thank you very much for your invitation. i'm very glad to be here with you today. let me know also that the, the guy is, is an intimate of, of a, of a program which is called the un, the global program on the security of major events and on the use of paul to, to prevent the violet. it's for me, isn't. so the docket was a call, see that to be an instrument at the disposal of a policy makers, you know, the to mitigate risk associated with your organization all the major. right. so the, the overall visual of these document that was the battle by the, by with the other fathers of the un go or progress the un office of the reason unicorn and the un alliance of civilization is to protect the major event as a common opportunities for the community,

so when we talk about events like the big so we'll cancel out about joke. what do you think of that? we are talking about amazing economy drivers. i generate those. so there is a need that day to protect such reports, unit is a pro, our collective and pro strengthen at the international cooperation. so this was the guy, these is about is a, is a reference document to support this is jan and policy makers and guiding them. indeed, john, which is record that they show illegal. see all the me just said, john, what are some of the biggest threats that are facing the world of sports today and is terrorism as big a threat or potential threat as it, as it used to be? well, it's an important question that you raise if we were having this discussion, say, 18 months ago, we won't be talking about the concern about the pandemic of coven 19, and how that's actually ultimately cause huge disruption to mega sports events to

events potentially like the olympics which collect postponed as a result of this euro, 2020, or potentially euro 2021, depending on how you want to frame it. terrorism unfortunately, has been a specter when it comes to these multi national sporting events in the past. we know that we have seen, in fact, that terrorist groups that want to crate crate disruption, they see it as an opportunity to get oxygen of publicity with the world media cameras focused on them. in your package, you mentioned briefly about the 1972 munich olympics. that was perhaps the most infamous one. but we've also seen and bilateral sports events terrorists trying to cause disruption in the 2015 football match between france and germany at the start . the france, paris 3 suicide bombers, who tried to get into the stadium, but prevented, detonated that devices outside. so it may not necessarily be

a major event. it could be a friendly tournament, but we could, we know that terrorists would want to try and hijack it to get maximum exposure to create disruption and to take away the focus of what should be an entertainment to unfortunately something more consequential. andy, as we were just hearing sir john say, i mean, it used to be more of the focus when i came to securing major sporting events. you know, the talk used to be mainly about, you know, terrorism, the threat of terrorism or some kind of an attack. now that seems to have all changed because, you know, the major concern right now, especially when it comes to something like the olympics is covered 19. so from your perch, i mean the huge concern being covered 19 you know, how worrying is it going forward? it certainly is worrying, but then again, you know, with these sort of big, big decisions way above all, our heads taken to,

to run these events. you just have to get on with it. i suppose the complication with the, the olympics is you have a set of regulations for entering japan and then the athletes in media and so on. coming from all over the world. they each come from a place with a different set of sort of exit and entry regulations themselves. so it's sort of standardizing that procedure and traveling everyone into japan with different sort of vaccination backgrounds, different toby histories in, in each nation. i mean, it's an interesting point you raised about, you know, sort of contingencies against terrorism in the past. i mean that they don't get rolled back. now, sort of, you know, it's a bit like coming through an apple. we will never, ever go back to the time before sort of you were just able to take well to the hotel onto a plane. so they are in place now when you get used to that new normal. i don't think it will be the case with the sort of the transition we're saying at the

moment with them to convey to precautions, leaving nations around the world at entering japan, that we'll just become the new normal now. and we're in the process now with just getting used to it really, most, mariana. and there was talking about, you know, getting used to this new normal, especially when it comes to sporting events coming forward. did come in 1900 factor into the recommendations that are outlined in the guide. the guy in visa says one, the goal section dedicated to the impact of coffee 19 on the security measures to be adopted for the protection and security on major spalding events. but also suggest ways to take advantage of the investments that world done to mitigate and to manage coffee related, afraid you know that to have a positive impact in the security and safety field at large. so we try to

look at the, at the, to him and, you know, from an integrated approach which is all started say the, the line and the train, you know, which has been agreed within the community a few years to have an integrated approach between security safety which also includes health and services. so john, from your perspective, what are some of the most vulnerable targets when it comes to, when it comes to sporting events these days? well, when it comes to the actual infrastructure of the stadiums, for example, we've seen a very effective robust security procedures being implemented over the last 2 decades. which has had to have a balance of effective security, but also not to curtail the festival. the environment, the positive feelings and vibes that are trying to be created for people and spectators to attend. where we see a one rehabilitate that still remains is for example,

when teams are traveling on the buses and coaches directly to the stadiums or 2 different locations. that tends to be the vulnerable point of view. if to example the spring to mind one was the 2009 a terrorist attack on the sri lankan cricket team that we're traveling in pakistan to the stadium. and that resulted in the entire tournament, the torque being cancelled, and it actually had devastating effects for pakistan because no one wanted to play cricket there for well over a decade there was also the 2010 african cup of nations. when the togo football team was traveling through the angolan enclave of cub, in the and a local militant group targeted that bus actually injuring several people on it and a few been killed. so it's, it's not necessarily the stadium that always going to be the target. it's potentially the, the travel rhodes, which terrorists, but doing reconnaissance,

which needs also to be factored in. and the, i saw you nodding along to a lot of what's the john was saying there. so i wanted to see if you wanted to jump in, but i also wanted to ask you to expand on a point this john was making when it comes to trying to maintain a certain fact festive atmosphere at sporting events. i mean, our sporting events, less fun for the fans, for the spectators when they are too heavily policed. oh, it's such a tough one. i think you've been perfectly cold about it. probably to be honest, but we now, you know, we now in the throes is sort of realizing that we've all got to just sort of get a knuckle under the greater good rating. i mean, when the fresh, more robust airport security checks came in and what was it, you know, after the sort of, you know,

the follow the check in the see thousands and yes it was about was being checked and so on. i mean, immediately that became less firm, but, you know, hardly stuck to so flying around the globe, so you don't want a purely sort of superficial instant reaction level. yes, things are a bit more of a pain. now, books, the end of the day, it's the pull of to the live sport, the buzz of the spectacle, the buzz is actually being part of something. it's probably too early to tell whether i should have covered restrictions have had to be serious. detrimental impacts in terms of sort of what followed stadiums and so, i mean, we just very so they say it will be written about way to generations and generations to come, you know, the cultural impacts of cultivate and what happened to you know, the live spectacle with just at the start of it, but i mean it's, we still run the euro when spectators are loud. we've got stadiums full again and,

you know, i like to think that we all realize the great to good sort of put up with a bit of discomfort in the short and still go to live school because that's what we'll love. my family, you know, you know, locked downs during the pandemic have meant that many athletes were in isolation. they were facing a reduction in income. and last year the css had said that those circumstances were creating a perfect storm of opportunity for organized crime. so i wanted to ask you, what kind of an impact overall has to pandemic had on organized crime within the world of sports? was so funny that they make a create a new new farm, send your butcher. it is for these, this for the organized crime. talking about certainly call me night the made the apple, it's much more vulnerable to organize, find, and for us to the,

to the possibility to, to, to fix you know, to, to engage in too much match fixing this particular problem in the case of interviewed was false. why in the case on the collect is for the, the song that the system a different forms of support which has been given by the theme some by the clubs, but in the case. but you could also the individual spot that i, what we said, we had the case of tennis. we had the cases over after that we had a very serious economic promise of the school, of course made them more vulnerable, you know, to being about to be approach, you know, by, by organized crime that on the, in the field of into with it. but at the same time, also in the, in the field of security, we were talking about capital region. and the reason prevention calling 19 a, gave a tremendous acceleration to the, to the use of technology, which is good on,

on one side. so 73 knology was that they did on the rear window, you know, in the, the coping 19 pandemic. but in the same time, with these will also increase the diffract, you know, all the cyber crime civil society. the reason because we are much more and more now depended on because of the project. so these as a calling they did as a without any open to new form sort of premium activities and you market or organized. right. so johnny just heard my some of the younger their talk about cybersecurity, cyber attack. so let me ask you how much of a threat our cyber attacks right now when it comes to these types of events? well, we are seeing almost on a weekly basis. new stories which revealed that there was a cyber attack on a major companies website or domain and it made it an accessible critical national infrastructure has also been effected sometimes by

a cyber attacks. and this is unfortunately the ongoing challenge because it's also hard to anticipate or to prevent or preempt. it is also evolving the technology and the ability to utilize it to cause disruption, to cause chaos. and you see more and more when it comes to governmental organizations wanting to invest further into understanding the threat, recruiting people that could potentially deter it from growing and proliferating. so that is a concern. and yes, it could also impact on sports events too, because of the fact that it could create a negative consequence when it comes to logistics to organizing, to even airing and broadcasting a potential match. and that'll also that impacts on revenue on marketing, on branding. so cyber can potentially have

a knock on effect at multiple levels and the whether it's covered, 1900 and we're talking about or, or just other, more general or even emerging security threats. what are some of the biggest lessons that have been learned when it comes to sporting events when it comes to trying to make them more secure? i suppose fundamentally that, you know, security is, is paramount ready. and you just have to realize that they said to the greater good happening yes, increase security, you know, joining cues lines to go through metal detectors, laptop out of your bag, you know, whatever it is. very similar to the experiences that we've had, the airport. so the last 50 news, it's all less moose than we will use to probably a decade and 2 decades ago. but it's for the greater good. so we live in

a complicated world with some very bad actors out there as we all those so you just have to put up with it must be, you know, you know, i reported on security preparations for euro 2016 matches. i was up in leo france several years ago, and i remember how difficult it was for police to control crowds in leo, you know, there would be a rumour going through the crowd that somebody from the opposing team had insulted another team. people would get upset. how, how much goes into preparing local police forces when it comes to major sporting events, how do you prepare them to handle crowd control at events where the fanbase is so passionate. yeah. when we, when you talk about the sparks, you know, preventing or managing spar spoke by, it is now a very reach that the literature and the way that the recent,

they bought the knowledge which is available now i into nationally because i actually spoke via it's only got these and these was our course soon at, at the very beginning we go back like to 20 or 30 years at the beginning of the night is, you know, our make also welding these that they, the behavior on the only gas violence side in the, in the car to the football matches for each other. so then that when the out, the 2001 and the toxic is the twin towers our main cause. so we'll meet at the, the, the, the, the solver of terrorism, which was not totally new in the counters or major st. paul events we already, we also had immunity, $972.00 obviously. but there were reason became our great major concern. you know, after 2001, but still we were talking about the, the so called in mind the made my made a friend, you know, i mean, i did nowadays. i think that the great, the challenge is not, is no longer

a man made on indeed going to be a versa or even an ice crime. but the main cause. so the other systemic, you know, the systemic and challenges and, and prayer. and also we have seen coffee, my team, but there are other major on the show and charlotte that organize of major body event we have to, to cope with, you know, like huge and migration flows or even crime a change. so these are all the challenges of the, of the future, which goes beyond the traditional. but as we said, i said before as being a well address, you know, in the last 20 years by said organizational organization like us. but also going to the, the cost of you, of the ok. and you and your opponent and many are there. so there is a, a very significant now body of knowledge that it to address the to be a. so now we,

i think the next john and he wanted the systemic and no longer validate the 2. and specifically that the, to human, to human behaviors. and he looked at me like you were reacting to some of what muslim elliana was saying. did you want to jump in? well though they just bring to the certainly given the example, my family and i was mentioned there back to the here you can use in the 180 be in english slightly before my telling. but of course, the ramifications of those, those behaviors from it won't conform to atlantic coast, but it certainly was called the english disease for goodness. so we certainly a big issue pe had to ramifications because english clubs were banned from europe for some years and a slow reintegration process after that that he's just almost what we see tends to the security challenges. so i would say it's almost a prison of sort of, you know,

global issues as a whole human behaviors and individuals being out of control with one thing. but that was then, yeah, that's the, that's still a challenge by the way. but by and large. busy it's been addressed by would argue, and now technological infrastructure is that, what governs the world, not just human movement manager. you know, that, i'm sorry to interrupt magic. also ask you, you know, from what you are seeing do, do people feel safe or, or safer at sporting events these days, whether it's football matches, or, or, or other form to sports? and if they do feel safe, or if they do feel safe, or does that mean that the systems are working? anecdotally, i would say probably yes. again, it's probably an unfair i'm give it a slightly skew viewpoint is going through the media channels and so on and social, you certainly feel safe. but then again, you would a reasonably cost environment with that. a reserved travel,

different bus lanes and so on. and so forth, but certainly looking at the form of a better term, the muscle on the ground. but these events, i certainly anecdotally, haven't heard anyone complaining of feeling vulnerable. you know, security protocols being sort of not. they're not at the level they should be. certainly there's a lot of security stuff on the ground that these events along. so john, i'm our current security measures that are taken that you're seeing being implemented. do you think that there are enough or do you think that they should evolve? well, they have been effective up till now and in terms of evolving them that will also be dependent on the nature of the challenges and, and the threat sometimes again, very unpredictable to know in into, in terms of how we look at sports events and the security kind of would use the

term b, c as in, before corona virus and after, because it has changed quite significantly. for example. now, when you go to sports events, it varies in various countries, but for many in the u. k, for example, you have to have a covert test before you are allowed entry into the stadium and you have to have proof of it. and then the question comes down to how regularly is that being checked? i've been told and in some cases, some of the people who are supposed to oversee that on necessarily following the rules as much as they should be doing the stadiums. we've seen more people actually being allowed in. but it's again controlled as in how many can be allowed. some people seem to like that. it gives them more space that it's not so cramped as before. but i hope that over time we will get back to a degree of normality where the stadiums will be packed because there is nothing

better than a live atmosphere where you are supporting your team and where you can have exhilaration and despair in the space of 22nd, valesvi, and that's the goal. that would be the desire, but then we also have to keep in mind that we get complacent about now. that could be nefarious actors, criminal groups, terrorist entities, double want to exploit the situation in the future. so alertness awareness is also very important. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thank you so much to all of our guests. maximilian, no one to nary. so john go and andy bodfish. and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website at 0 dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a inside story for me me. how much room and whole team here 5 for now. the

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