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nineties, no, it can be bigger than the substance which he portrays. i mean the character, the story, the screenplay, and for any good and enduring performance shadow, you have to have a good story. come on one the indian film industries award for best actor a record 8 times including in its inaugural year. 1956 about cleaning his $960.00 historical bio pic, mogley asms where he played mogul emperor john deed is the highest grossing indian film of all time. when adjusted for inflation, his talents were noticed outside india, but he turned down the role of sheriff ali and the 1960 to blockbuster lawrence of arabia, which went to egyptian actor omar sharif. this command retired from acting in 1998, but not from public life. he was an advocate for the rights of disadvantage muslims
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. he travelled to pakistan to receive its highest civilian honor than the shawnee empty as the only indian to have done. so. he served on the upper house of india's parliament in the early, 2, thousands and received the country's 2nd highest civilian honor for his contribution to indian cinema in 2015 with his passing and dea has lost the last actor from the era of hindi cinema which produced the 1st dogs, elizabeth moran. i'm al jazeera new daddy. ah, let's take you through some of the headlines here now. 0, now haitian president driven envoys has been assassinated on identify the tank as rated is home overnight. his wife is in critical condition, has been flown to miami boys, have been ruling by decree. turn prime minister is declared
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news. news. news film is in the netherlands of back on the street that protesting against plans to shut down phones to reduce nitrogen emissions. this issue will say the plan will reduce pollution the mean for the future of farming in the netherlands band to elsewhere. this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm kim vanelle agriculture account for nearly 27 percent of all greenhouse gas emissions that a humming our environment. and as the world tries to come back on pollutants to
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save the planet, people source of food could be effected, soil and fertilizers, release nitrogen, which is proven to be a much stronger cause for global warming than carbon dioxide. the access gas often goes into waterways and contaminates drinking supplies. it's also released into the air polluting skies and putting people's health at risk. the netherlands is one of many nations fence being taking measures to reduce its nitrogen pollution. and the number of farm may have to because down, and that's an good many dodge farmers who protested against the plan on wednesday. we'll bring in our guests in just a moment. first, this report from step balsam in the hague. pharma from all of the novels have taken their practice, also carry insides up here to the government center in the hague. they're basically fighting for the survival for a couple of years already. the government has allows that nitrogen emission has to
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be significantly reduce that cost by incense bombing. so that would mean that psalms will have to close out. that's what has to be reduced. and also also the prompts have to move out where lots of questions about their future. so they want some answer from the governments. what will happen to us? mental says that the government does not even going enough with their reduction. they actually suggest that we duction more capital has to disappear. that's also want to layer about their future. lots of young people out here. they also want to know can fill that out for inside story. let's take a closer look at the impact of nitrogen pollution on the environment. nitrogen is about 300 times more powerful than carbon dioxide that heating or atmosphere. and it stays a long time, spending an average of 114 years in the sky. before breaking off depletion,
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we ozone layer scientists estimate nitrogen accounts for nearly 6 percent of all greenhouse gas emissions study conducted last year, found nitrous oxide. emissions rose by 30 percent in the last 4 decades. and 2018 us experts concluded the world needs to cut the amount of nitrogen emissions in half to avoid disastrous consequences. the right of time to bring in our guests in the hague. we have shocked on to talk a former mayor of westland in the netherlands and chairman of the netherlands, agricultural and horticultural association. and so now we have healed that are not the varies a campaigner for sustainable agriculture and versity at greenpeace netherlands. and in reading u. k. richard tiffany: a professor at the university reading and its former director of the center for food security, a very warm welcome to you all mr. tiff and i'd like to begin with you we. we spoke
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earlier about the power of nitrogen in terms of being a pollutant. what happens to the world if we continue expelling nitrogen at the right that we are now? what happens to the air to the water, to bio diversity? well, the key thing here is that we're applying nitrogen to agricultural land. well that does is it increases the rights of c ever missions of nitrous oxide. and nitrous oxide is one of the most polluting greenhouse gases there is. so the 1st impact will be that we will continue to see travel warming as a result of human activity. and then on top of that, we applying nitrogen to, to the soil can potentially affect the natural ecosystem. the plants that were growing, outcompete the prompts that naturally resident in
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a particular area. and probably more importantly can stop to to know how started to damage significantly and will continue to do some damage. the soil, which we use a medium, obviously for growing growing most of our crops. ok. so there is a lot at stake. i think it's important that we, that we bear that in mind as we have this discussion. hilda, i'm not degrees. let's talk about the netherlands. how much does, does livestock farming contribute to the nitrogen emissions? if we look at the total coming out of the netherlands, if we look at the netherlands, livestock is actually the biggest source. it's responsible for about 665 percent of all the emissions that precipitate on our protective nature areas. ok, so it's pretty, pretty big. the dutch plan is to curb nitrogen emissions by what is it 40 percent by 2023 in areas that are better currently being impacted by nitrogen pollution. mr
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. shock run the talk. what are your thoughts on the don't plan to curb these emissions? well let me say we have in 30 years the let me say the pollution off, nitrogen is increased, which 68 percent that a? yes. but let me say there are new laws and new norms. what ill says there are, let me say computer systems who said that we are the greatest pollution. and let me show you, show, are all, all these things in the netherlands, but our pharma set, we can do downsize these notes if we can have a system that we can measure at a gulf outside, outside the cow,
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outside the stables, and inside the 4th. ok. so i just want to be clear what you're saying is that the farmers are being unfairly targeted because actually pollution from nitrogen is down 67 percent in 30 years and all we're dealing with is new norms. what do you make of that hill down there? decrease well unfortunately, our nature doesn't really care about norms because we've had such a huge number of animals in the netherlands. nature has been suffering for a long time. and as a result of our nature, most vulnerable protected areas, their specific nature that's already on a tipping point right now. and the problem here is that based on the habit that's directive, we are obliged to protect nature from deteriorating. and because government has not adequately dealt with this issue years ago, which should have happened. now we're in a really, really difficult position and the problem has actually become worse. so what we
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need now is for government to take the lead and drastically reduce nitrogen emissions to at least adhere to the the legislation again and to help farmers with an integral plan for big transition of our agricultural system. so what do you make of the current legislation and the current targets to reduce these emissions doesn't go far enough. it doesn't go far enough. unfortunately, we had a very well known ecologist calculate what the effects would be for the most run vulnerable nature. and the conclusion actually is that it's not going to be enough and for illegally feasible approach, any long term reduction goals, which show that you're going to achieve your natural goals in the long run. and you need to act as fast as possible. and then this is not only a nature crisis, but we're also having to achieve our climate goals. and the only integral integral solution here is to drastically reduce the number of animals and to help farmers to
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a more sustainable way of producing our food. ok, i want to come back to you mister shock bound to talk. there are, as we've seen, people out protesting farm is concerned about their livelihoods. what are the concerns? well, there are frustrated because we have a blend with farmers and albany and jose especially to me that they don't want to support the farmers like re beef the organization. just ok when the farm was off, refrigerate, let's work together. let's go bridge and work together on a group plan and we had a group plan just our days. when did to natural organizations of the annual and jose, what is this good and what is this good plan? this is this acceptable plan. what does that plan look like? you have a plan would, doesn't,
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and just and sure 40 percent reduction. this one second is scope, reading with our farmers and the nature organizations. and also those organizations and 3, let's know a system making with self insight inside the stable, outside the stable and in the 4th. ok. so you want different emissions targets for different parts of the farm and the in the process. i can see you shaking your head there, ms. hill, there on the raise. can you tell me why? well, obviously it's always good that there is, you know, i me go shaken and that a plan comes out as is more than the current legislation because it actually, i think it supports our argument that the current legislation is not enough. however, like i said, we need to adhere to legal criteria,
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and this is simply not enough. we need to have a long term plan which shows that what we say 90 percent emission reduction is necessary in order to achieve your long term nature goals. and if you focus on very short term reduction goals, even though 40 percent is an important step in between a, it's not fast enough for the most vulnerable nature and be it focuses a lot on technological innovations. and there's a lot of questions about how effective these are. and secondly, if you're going to put all the farmers that are already frustrated, which is something that we understand through the whole process of remodeling all their stables. and then because the reduction goals need to be strict are afterwards both for climate purposes and for nature purposes, we have to acknowledge that the number of animals needs to be reduced. so you're going to frustrate them afterwards as well. if the conclusion has to be that we have to reduce the number of animals as well. so let's just work together on this and try and, you know, create a plan like plan that we presented last year. where we can have as many farmers as
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possible that work with an environmental boundary. ok, i can see you shaking your head mister van to talk. i'll come to you in a moment. mister tift and you'd be waiting patiently. i'm wanting to get your take on whether you think there are any areas which can be when, when not just in the netherlands, but around the world where you have governments who want to reduce pollution from nitrogen. and you have farmers who are worried about their livelihoods. and their ability to continue the outputs that they need in order to make a good living. are there any areas which you can see more broadly that could be when, when absolutely do nothing, you know, just to, to, to respond to some of the comments being made earlier as well. i think there really need in there to be 2 main folks to the policy agenda in this area. the 1st is to engage with pharmacy to, to achieve cooperation. and what i mean by that is actually, you know,
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pharmacist potentially are the best environmentalists that there are because preserving the environment on the farm preserving the condition of that soil progress. preserving bio diversity is actually in the long term interests of making sure that there remains as productive as possible for the long term. but the danger the areas, the problem is that the, the cycles that we're talking about are much wrong. and even that going cycles that the farmers have to deal with, with, with a conventional production and the, the, the consequence of that no longer and cycles is that the rewards are so far in the future that the farm up discounts them and doesn't. and really doesn't have a good business reason for working towards those goals. and secondly, that extremely risky. and thomas are notoriously risk averse individuals in, in the language they make decisions. so the 1st part of the policy implementation
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needs to be, 1st of all, to bring some of those to create an environment to create a framework in which some of those future benefits the promise will receive, can be brought forward. and secondly to, to create frameworks in which the risk, the farmers would otherwise experience can be transferred to other sectors in the way in which we're used to transferring risk using insurance type type type products. so that's the 1st part of the policy. and then the 2nd part of the policy has to be regulation. but the type of regulation that needs to be there has to also allow for trade ability. in michigan, i thought for emissions so that we don't necessarily constrain ourselves to reach the production system that is defined by, by the regulation. but we create a situation in which, which is fluid and dynamic. so that emissions end up being allocated if you'd like
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to the most efficient to where it is best for those emissions to buy from an environmental on a business perspective. okay. i think that's when mr. sharp learned to talk, i want to bring you back in to get your, your take on what's been said. i will also want to ask you, part of the dutch plan is to buy out farms to buy out bombs which are being seen as being pollutant. how, how is that being received from farmers and how costly is it for farmers to reduce emissions on their existing farms? yeah, let me say, let me give you a clear answer. so form of those like it. but let me say the majority of the farmers are agreed with that plan. this one. secondly, what you said is how the pollution, let's say for that which these,
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these issues. if one innovation is very clear, and there are, let me say a great, great fall in the middle and it's late in my life. and they have a wonderful plan of emissions losing pollution in the stable good system. secondly, some of them will be stop, gone, their elder elder foreman, and 3rd one there are almost who have a lot of loose or nitrogen. then there is an opportunity to get a new one place to another place. and that's why our pharma sets ok, i'm not agree with all these things, but it is
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a way to continue and to go make a step forward, miss hilda, another res. i want to bring you back in. what about individual responsibility? i mean, we're talking about the livestock sector being a large producer and what if people just were encouraged to eat less meat or to eat less dairy? could that be effect or here? well, i think at both both needs to happen. but the thing about the netherlands is that we export almost 2 thirds of all the meat and dairy that we, that we produce here. and our country is left with all the manure and all the, the consequences for our nature and for climate. so it has to happen hand in hand, but if we look at, well, the biggest problem here, it's the production side. and at the same time, yes, dutch people as well. they need to drastically reduce their consumption of, of meet them very. but we cannot just wait for consumption to go down, because that's also very complicated. if you look at marketing for me at cetera,
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it all has, this has to happen at the same time and it has to happen. so this is shock than to talk. i can, i can see you want to jump in there. what did you want to add? well, let me see if, why it is a wrong policy to export very googe foods of products to other countries. especially what we are doing is a lot of our groups. our healthy goods are going to our, our neighbor, germany. what's the point of that? let me say the population is growing from 20423210 1000000000 people. so what is, what is wrong when the lives that people are coughing is wrong because is healthy food mister if and i'd like to bring you in. if we were to extrapolate this out for
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a global audience, what are some of the biggest nitrogen polluted globally? what move the being taken globally to try and reduce nitrogen pollution and how much that impacts food chains and food security? well, this is the biggest police as far as national concerned china and india. we, we know that some of those countries are, are intervening to encourage better management of crops and livestock to, to make sure that nitrogen has been used more efficiently. the consequences for type of food security aside says, you know, potentially serious we've got, we have got a population on the planet, is that he's growing massively at the moment. large parts of the world,
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eating plant based diets. it's probable that as it comes increase and we're seeing this in, in china, india, that those parts of the world will probably increase their demand for making dairy products. and what's that got a new planet for the health of our planet. it's not good news. and as we've already talked about, the lifestyle sector in particular is responsible for a lot of emissions of greenhouse gases. but it's not just the last to the, the horrible sector also when it's formed intensively. and it's a lot of a lot of nitric nitric nitrous oxide. so it's behold him and we believe this that it's beholden on on those of us that live in developed countries to take more than our fair share, the but in terms of, in terms of correctness, correct. in this challenge, partly, we have the technology available to us to,
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to do that. but also because our levels of consumption are still significantly higher than that, then there are another possible hilda, another res green piece recently sent a summons to the, to government. the 1st step, i guess, in legal action, and it's nitrogen policies were a big part of that. is that a payoff stand or do you really think that you can hold the government to account and get some sort of change to legal action? while the nitrogen crisis has actually affected the dutch economy for a while already a judge already ruled that the way we deal with permits for emissions is legally not feasible. and so we've of course, watched the development since. and what we see now is with the legal legislation that's trying to address the issue that it's really not enough. so the only thing we're doing is showing government that they have
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a legal obligation to at least not left nature further deteriorate rates, which has been happening for years now. and we all, as humans need nature, farmers need nature as well. so we're just doing this out of concern for our future and the future of our children. so, so we're, we're just trying to get the government to adhere to the bottom line of what is legally necessary. okay, mr. shock van to talk when we're running out of time, but i want to come back to you. how do you foresee these protest playing? now, do you think that farmers are putting any real pressure on the government to to change course? yes, we do have a good pressure on our government because some of jose, like green beef, are you say have some white white places white white white opportunities. let me say we are. our farms
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are the best in the world of efficiency. a lot of farmers can learn in the se, in the world from our fall. secondly, healthy food like diary to let me say fruit and vegetables as our and to been nurse like our farmers will be make a step to emission the nitrogen odyssey we got to help each other just before we go, i want to ask you, we're down to one minute i want to ask you, do you accept that farming intensive farming in the netherlands is impacting negatively the environment through pollution from nitrogen? no, i don't know. i don't agree about that because inside fami has sometimes very good, very good standards,
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high standards of let me say reducing emission policy. thank you very much for all your time shop and the talk. he'll get another breeze and richard tiffin and thank you to for watching a very lively debate. you can see it again, any time via visiting our website, al jazeera dot com, the 3rd, the discussion. you can go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story, and you can also join the conversation on twitter. i'll handle is a j inside story. you can follow me at kim vanelle from macon vanelle and the entire team here at inside joyce bye for now. phoenix. ah ah, ah, ah, ah ah
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